I like that quote. This deadline is bringing me back to the idea Sabean tried to sell us in the past...the price of doing business. It certainly isn't unreasonable to demand an average starting caliber player back for our average starting caliber player. A player maybe not quite ready for the bigs should project better than average. As for my trade idea:

Morris + Winn(or Durham if they prefer, or any other vet really) to Mets for Carlos Gomez and another body. They do have Milledge and yet another stud OF(Martinez?) on the way in a couple years. NYM have scouted Winn and Minaya is on record saying he wont trade Milledge/Gomez for rentals. Well, here you go Omar, two non-rentals.

Gomez looks potentially like a faster Alex Rios, which is scary. Potential being the key word. Giving up known quantities for potential is a dangerous game, so the prospect we get should be as good or better than anyone we've given up since the Schmidt trade--since Morris is better than anyone we've acquired at the deadline recently. And we have moved some pretty valuable prospects. BTW, who was Pirates GM in 2001. And who is he working for--we should call them first.

"Everyone wins. Except the Mariners. But that's not the point."

That's a full out belly laugh. :)

As I posted in the previous thread, seems to me that the Giants can go to ways...the first would be to rebuild methodically by dealing Morris and other vets for the second rate prospects and low ceiling major league talent they would likely bring back, and wait for the draft to bear fruit in '10 and beyond...

Or take a higher risk faster approach.  Deal Cain or Lincecum for young major league ready talent with controlable contracts at multiple positions.  If Sabean could leverage either Cain or Lincecum into a significant upgrade at at least 2 positions for the foreseable future, that should be considered.  

I don't know if there's a fit, but damned if you didn't just describe Ned Coletti to a T.

If the Giants really want to get a much better prospect, they really ought to be thinking about dealing Noah Lowry. He's young, left-handed and signed to a reasonable contract for a few more years. That's the guy they should cash in and do it now before he blows up also.

So what Correia's value about now? How about selling him as the next Accardo - before that ERA reaches 6.00.

So there's no way you give up a guy who has the ability to keep you in just about every game he pitches.

The problem, of course, is run production. This year, the Giants have scored 3 runs or fewer in 44 of 90 games (regulation 9 inn.)

So in half the games, the Giants pitching staff would have to give up 2 or fewer runs per 9 innings in order to win. That means the staff would need to post an ERA under 2.00 to win any of half the games.

The Giants run total this year doesn't look as anemic as it really is, thanks to a few blowout wins (13-0, etc). But when you look at the median # of runs per game, it's pathetic.

I say keep the arms and work on trying to find a group that can at least scratch out 4 runs a game one way or the other.

The Giants aren't going to get anything of worth for their players. The trade market seems to have change dramatically in the last few years. It seems that teams just want to hold on to their better prospects. After last years spending spree, you can't blame them. Teams simply cannot do business paying average to above average players the kind of money that was being thrown around. That Marlins owner knew that, and that's why he flipped out over the Ichiro deal. Didn't we already go through this with the A-rod contract in Texas? And the Mike Hampton contract in Colorado? And now the Zito contract? Ugh.

The only way out of this mess is to start drafting legitimate talent. If they can't get legitimate prospects for Morris (and I don't think they can) I would just keep him. I don't expect the true rebuilding to start until Sabean is gone.