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Skip Bayless II?

No thank you. I hate that guy.

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I was just trying to see if I could fend for Brian Sabean, but obviously I can't. I really don't like him. I feel like Ned Coletti might have had a little more know-how and cajones than Sabean. Sabean seems weak, and he almost cried on the Razor and Mr. T, show when Barbierri called him out on Benitez.

At any rate, I'm writing this bad boy from the airport in Japan wating to return to my native San Francsico. I caught a couple of games out here and I must say, these guys are good. I'm surprised there aren't more playing in the MLB. I understand the whole posting fee and then signing the players after that could be a task. But I feel the Giants should give this market another shot. I know Shinjo might have scared the Giants off for a while, but there are legit players here. Particularly 23 or 25 year old Norichika Aoki of the Tokyo Yakult Swallows. This kid is the man. Does anyone else have any thoughts on any Japanese players?

Also, I've been hearing a lot of rumors involving Saltalamacchia. None of which involve the Giants. Has anyone heard anything about the Giants trying to obtain him. He's a switch hitting catcher with pop from both sides of the plate. He could be a nice piece in our "rebuilding process". Just a thought.

I was hoping this offseason we could make a run at A-Rod. That of course will probably remain a dream. The way I see our FA offseason going is this. Mike Lowell, Jermaine Dye, and David Eckstein/Omar Vizquel. These guys fit the mold for the Giants. Past their prime and overpriced. What do you guys think the Giants will try to do this coming offseason?

That last "diary" got a good response, I'm hoping this one will have a similar one. I'm looking forward to hearing what you kids have to say.

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by Kent @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 15, 2007 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Whoo, you've got a lot of topics there. Try sticking with one for diaries so it can foster a more focused discussion. I know you're new and eager to talk about the Giants, but one thing at a time, buddy.
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by Natto on Jul 15, 2007 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
I don't mind your bringing up more topics.  I thought your primary question was what the Giants would do.  Personally I have more ideas on what they SHOULD do, but let me take a whirl at what they WILL do (and it's merely a guess at best).

I think they will trade Matt Morris, Steve Kline and perhaps Ray Durham at the deadline.  I think they will focus on hitting prospects in return, but I wouldn't be shocked if they received at least one pitching prospect (which I don't mind if he is the best prospect available).

I think they will make a very big move at Alex Rodriguez, although I doubt it will ultimately bear fruit.  They might take Torii Hunter as a consolation prize, or they might even have to settle for Andruw Jones.

I don't think they will bring Pedro Feliz back, possibly opening the way for Mike Lowell.  More likely to me is that they will pick up a third-base prospect in one of their trades.

Omar Vizquel will likely be gone, which should lead to the Giants trading for a shortstop prospect.  

IMO Ryan Klesko could return if the dollars aren't too high nor the contract too long.  If Klesko were re-signed for two years, he might be able to bridge the gap to Angel Villalona.

The Giants will likely search for a catching prospect, but my sense is that they won't acquire one until the winter after the 2008 season.

I think Noah Lowry will slump in the season's second half, leading the Giants to trade him over the winter if they feel fairly comfortable that Jonathan Sanchez can take his place.

I think that Tim Lincecum is right now establishing himself as the staff ace and that amazingly, Matt Cain could be traded for a really good bat in the winter after the 2008 or 2009 season.

I think the Giants will trade for another bullpen arm over the coming winter, likely dealing a player they are unable to unload at this year's trade deadline.  If not over the winter, it is possible they could also wind up trading Durham for a reliever at the 2008 deadline if Ray hasn't gone by that time.

I think the Giants would like to acquire one more big outfield bat, but that their primary trade focus will be for infield prospects for the left side of the infield.

The Giants will almost certainly get a lot younger, and the age change could be dramatic.  Assuming they sign at least two of the three first-round draft picks this season, I suspect they will deal one or more young prospects by the off-season following the one coming up for a prospect or prospect who is more major-league ready, possibly even a player already in the majors.

These are just guesses, and there is every possiblity more of these ideas won't come to pass than will indeed happen.  The next couple of years will likely be disappointing -- but they should be interesting in a way that hasn't happened with the Giants in over a decade.  Hopefully they will acquire players who whet our future appetites to offset our dismay with the present through the end of the decade.

by sharksrog on Jul 15, 2007 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
I haven't really seen much patience on this site for 'young' players.  Young players are going to play like Linden, Niekro, Frandsen, Lewis, and, yes, Feliz, et al.  In my experience, they get about a weeks grace period, maybe two.  But hands of stone (Frandsen), circuitous route running (Linden, Lewis), taking a called 3d strike (Linden, Niekro) gets VERY FUCKING OLD after about 2 weeks.

by allfrank on Jul 15, 2007 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Freddie Lewis seems to be getting a pretty good run.

by sharksrog on Jul 16, 2007 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
"Matt Cain could be traded for a really good bat in the winter after the 2008 or 2009 season."

it'd have to be really good, and probably more than one.  like the Miguel Cabrera with a side of Hanley kind of really good

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by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 16, 2007 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
"Does anyone else have any thoughts on any Japanese players?"

You've got to pick your targets, something that the giants don't seem to do very well regardless of the player's nationality.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Jul 15, 2007 11:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
The Braves are asking for a young impact pitcher for Saltalamacchia, meaning they'd ask for Lincecum, Cain, or Lowry.  If we'd acquire him I'd want him to stay as a catcher (quality C are much more valuable than a 1B), but we don't need one given Bengie's wonderful play.

Unlike Mr. Sharksrog, I do not believe Cain will be traded.  It's our starting pitching which is our strongest and most youthful area in which the rebuilding has already begun, and trading Cain would hurt that.  We have nobody in our system who is able to replace Cain's ability, unless the trade brought us a Philip Hughes (or perhaps even a lesser quality, a la Jeff Niemann) caliber pitching prospect.

David Eckstein will not be playing here.  At least, he shouldn't be.  I'd MUCH rather take Cesar Izturis than Eckstein.  I can understand Mike Lowell.  And I don't believe we should sign A-Rod, because we'd be able to sign at least 2 quality players for one year of his contract (think Lowell, Eric Gagne, and possibly Torii Hunter).

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by JT Jordan on Jul 16, 2007 12:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Lowell + Gagne + (anything) = I don't watch the team for a year.

If Eric Gagne is ever anywhere near a Giants jersey and it's not an opposing player's or an assailant's, I'm going to have to think long and hard about the potential health benefits of morphine and its various cocktails.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 16, 2007 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Never seen a 19 year old refer to everyone else as kids so much before.

Don't know a whole lot about the Japanese market, about the only thing we do know is that Japanese relievers own, but bullpen should be the least of the Giants concerns right now.

The reason you don't hear the Giants in Salty trade talks is they'd have to give up Cain or Lincecum to get him and that's not going to happen.

I agree the Giants don't have much of a shot with A-rod, unless they plan on increasing payroll over the 100 mil mark from next year onwards.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 16, 2007 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
  I agree we shlould probably be looking more into the Japaneses market then we have been , Shitjo aside their are some good players that come out of their.

  Another market we should focus on is Latin America. For the life of me I don't understand how a franchise who was one of the fisrt franchises in MLB scouting down thier, and brought players like, Cepeda, Marichial and the Alou brothers , hasn't done anything in Latin America for years. I mean you would think we could have found the Cabrera's, Ramirez's, Pedro's and Big Pappi's before other teams.But Im glas with Angel's signing last year, and that other kid last week that we are looking down their again.

  I agree A-rod ain't coming here, the sooner fans realize that, the less heart broken you will be when we don't sign him this off season. I say trade Morris(if he still has any value) Winn, Vizquel , Durham and maybe Lowry and Bonds(if the price is right) get some young players in return(Balentin, Jones, Brandon Wood, Asdubral Cabrera or any guys with potential) and play them and our other kids(Frandsen, Lewis, Shoeholtz, Ortmier) . I rather see A team of young guys get sweep, then that pathetic display we saw over the weekend.

Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 16, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
What are you talking about? We certainly got the Pedro.
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 16, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Yeah that true, lets hope Angel doesn't end up like him. Still though , with all the talent coming out of their , we should be looking more. And Im happy now that we are, I just hope they Angel and this other kid turn out like Cabrera and Soriano and not like Feliz.
Forget trading the old guys, Sabean must go first!!!!

by ramirez415 on Jul 16, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Yeah, I completely agree with you.
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 16, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Funny enough, Angel Joseph (the latest signing) was compared to Alfonso Soriano in build.  
"I'm a Giant now" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jul 16, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
It was either bad luck or fate or whatever, but the Giants had made an effort to target the Latin America market earlier in Sabean's tenure as GM (or was it even before that?) but the guy they hired, who was a well known guy, got mired in a scandal regarding sexually abusing young prospects and the Giants most probably got their reputation tarred and feathered in the region because of that.

Our new guy we got from the Dodgers - kind of a trade with the Dodgers for Colletti - and he was involved with signing Raul Mondesi and other Latinos for the Dodgers previously.  He seemed to have a good track record with the Dodgers but I don't recall any other names other than Mondesi.

Yeah, I would have to agree that A-Rod isn't coming here.  El Lefty Malo covered the 2008 payroll in a post at his site and there probably isn't enough money to get A-Rod, let alone A-Rod and other free agents.

"I'm a Giant now" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jul 16, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
In regards to looking into the pool of Japanese league players, I believe the Giants recently hired a scout/scouts in Japan. Whether or not they actually utilize them remains to be seen.
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by Natto on Jul 16, 2007 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
Sometime in the offseason, I have to believe they will use him, just like they just got someone to focus on Latin America before that and we have had two significant signings in the past year.
"I'm a Giant now" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jul 16, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
As mentioned in the diary Norichika Aoki is a player that really left an impression on me. He's a good leadoff hitter in all respects. He has patience, a good eye, a good swing, and can wreak havoc on the bases. He even took two for the team. At the time he was hitting .364 with 11 jacks and 35 RBI's. There's a lot of good ball players in Japan. I was lucky enough to see a couple games there and I went to the WBC championship last year. In regards to the Giants upcoming offseason I feel like all they're gonna be doing is feeding the Giant hate machine. There's not a quick fix to the situation. This is gonna hurt.
J-Po: a kid with a computer and brass balls.

by jpo on Jul 16, 2007 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
You're aware that Japanese ballplayers are locked down tighter than Fort Knox, right?  Aoki won't be a free agent until 2012.  The only chance for him to jump to the MLB is if his team, the Yakult Swallows, submit him for the posting system, the same system that led to the $51 million posting fee paid for Daisuke Matsuzaka.
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by hometownboy on Jul 17, 2007 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Skip Bayless II?
I don't think he'll cost anywhere near what Dice-K commanded. He's not a pitcher. He said he wants to eventually come to the bigs. He'd be more in the Iwamora price range.
J-Po: a kid with a computer and brass balls.

by jpo on Jul 17, 2007 5:33 AM PDT reply actions  

A Cromulent Reply
Because he is not a pitcher, he will not cost as much money as Dice-K? Because he wants to come to the bigs, he will not cost as much?

What a nice laundry list of unrelated arguments! That was a well-written piece of non-claptrap that never made me want to retch!

Daisuke also wanted to come to the bigs! Need I remind you that the player's desire to enter the majors does not directly determine the posting fee?

Sit you butt in your seat, KID. (Do you like being called kid)? The fact of the matter is, the fee is determined by the competition among teams desiring his services (though under-the-table business between a MLB and the Yakult Swallows could occur).

You can at least properly reply to hometownboy's comments, but you chose to start another line of messages. He was talking about the $51 million posting fee, which to a first approximation, has nothing to do with the player's desire to come to the bigs. Teams have to bid on the rights to negotiate a contract. And since he is not a free agent until 2012, wouldn't the Japanese team want a LARGE compensation for posting him? Hmm? They would lost potential years of milking money of his fan attraction! $$$

Oh, what do you say? His desire to enter the majors means he will accept a lower salary?

BS. Jpo, since you appeared on this site, you have been full of hot air. Really, he isn't going to try to get as much money as he can? Athletes don't care about money?

In addition, your reason that he will not cost as much as Dice-K is that "he's not a pitcher?" So you rule is that pitchers are always paid more than position players? Is that what you are saying?

What kind of money was being sent to position players like Carlos Lee and Alfonso Soriano during the off season? Their contracts were at least comparable to the contract Barry Zito, a pitcher which even you should know, signed!

Jpo: Skip Bayless II or giantsrainman II?

by kwyjibo on Jul 18, 2007 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

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