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Open Draft Thread, 2007

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It's here. This is the kind of chance that only comes around every decade or so. With six picks in the first 51 selections, the Giants can rebuild the farm system. Will they go with college players? Take some long-term shots at high school players? Go with hitting, pitching, or a combination of the two? The only thing we know is that it would be impossible to completely screw up this many early picks. There's just no way.

Dammit. This isn't a day for reality. This is a day for wishcasting and irrational optimism. Heck, maybe it isn't so irrational. All of the first four picks of the 2002 draft are on the roster, after all. One of these days, a team is going to strike lightning by picking five or six All-Stars, and that team's draft will become something of a legend. Why not the Giants?

Well, technically I know why. Because they're the Giants. If you can't forget all of that on draft day, though, you're incapable of feeling joy.

And that screenshot betrays my fascination with Arturo McDowell. There are first-round busts, and there are first-round kerflooeys. McDowell was most certainly the latter. But if you duct-taped Sammy Serrano to Arturo McDowell's left leg, McDowell could still beat Bengie Molina in a footrace. That has to count for something.

Edit:

All-Time Team of Great-Named Giants Draftees:

C - Giuseppe Chiaramonte
1B - Turtle Zaun
2B - Van Fixico
3B - James Snoots
SS - Monico Corral
OF - Sylvester Love
OF - Reuben Smiley
OF - Wynter Phoenix

P - Boof Bonser
P - Kavonski Chatman
P - Everhard Griffiths
P - Harlan Highfill
P - Skip Pitlock

Honorable Mention, Uncomfortable Question Regarding Parents' Ethnicity Division: Juan Eichelberger

Odd coincidence from above: There was never a movie titled Draft Busts VII: Past Third Base featuring performers named Sylvester Love, Everhard Griffiths, and Wynter Phoenix. The odds of that not happening had to be astronomical.

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Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
When I was reading about the Keith Law chat today, that is exactly what I was thinking.

To be fair, that draft sucked, and not just for us.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Yeah, that's pretty sobering.

I'm still excited though! May as well be optimistic about something and unlike the current Giants, the result of this draft won't be apparent for a few years.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 6, 2007 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I was really looking forward to watching this draft. Unfortunately, I'll be in class during most of it. Fortunately, it's a class where I sit in front of a computer.
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by Natto on Jun 6, 2007 10:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Who was in charge of making those picks?
Any of the scouting department still around? Why? This 1998 draft is what tempers my hopes for the 2007 draft. Draft early and often SF. Draft wisely. And draft pitching.

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Didn't Sabean rebuild the minor league/scouting department?  I mean, I'm wondering if there was some sort of learning curve?  It seemed like some sort of blind, random, nebulous BPA strategy to begin with.  Then they developed the 'pitching first' theory, which has worked pretty damned well.  They did go thru a few years of shaving money (and picks) to have more money for the big club.  B ut recently I think they have said, to win in the big pitchers parks of the west you need pitching, speed, and defense.  I think that has shown up in the past 2/3 years with the drafting of fast, defensively capable middle IFs and OFs (for CF and RF - I think the defensive, speedym more OBP, less power OF a la Winn and Roberts is what we are going to see in RF and CF under Sabean - which means power is going to have to come from C, 1b, 3b, LF).  Maybe, since they have a fair number of the former, especially middle IFs, they will actually draft Cs, 1Bs, 3Bs,power (LF) OFs.  
  Maybe their philosophy is still that it's easier to ID and develop pitching - and you get more for pitching than you do for postion players - so it will be more pitching and 5 tool guys.

by allfrank on Jun 7, 2007 12:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Drafting toolsy OFers hasn't worked out so far, and I am not going to hold my breath waiting for a star to emerge.

Also, pitching prospects are more prone to break down than position players.  That makes Cain, Lowry, and Lincecum that much more impressive, but it is a fairly risky strategy.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If we do this well, I won't be pissed.

If this happens, I'll freak in 2013.

Also, keep in mind, Bubba Crosby hit 394/504/828 his senior year at Rice. That's not a typo. The man had a 1332 OPS!

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by David A. Arnott on Jun 7, 2007 12:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
That's not all we got in 1983 - Robby Thompson was drafted in the June Secondary Phase.  What a haul!

That Dodger draft is a nightmare.  Seriously.  We can only hope that happens to them again this year.  

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers
When the only significant player you draft is an NFL quarterback in the 50th round... yeah, that's a bad draft.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 7, 2007 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Burkett went to Beaver High School, the lucky bastard.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
You would probably crack up at my wife's name: Sunny Beaver. It's okay. She and I both crack up at it sometimes too.
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 7, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
That's an awesome stage name. Where did you meet her?

by mxmob33 on Jun 7, 2007 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If you two play golf together, it must be great to hear, "On the first tee; Hairball and Sunny Beaver."
The answer: Ryan Klesko. The question: Doesn't matter. (.312/.395/.477 as of 6/7/07)

by Goofus on Jun 7, 2007 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is this the draft day thread for 11am?
Any late news which way SF is leaning for picks #10 and #22?

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 12:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Is this the draft day thread for 11am?
Don't know where THEY are leaning, but most mock drafts I've seen had Wieters falling to the Giants at #10, and since most consider him the best college hitter - plus a good to great defensive catcher - plus a switch-hitter to boot - and could close games :^) - I would have to think they will select him, even though reports are that they want a Teixiera-type deal, 4 years, $9.5M, major league contract, and that's why he would fall to them.  I think if he is there, they will select him.

If not him, there's a Rubik's cube of possibilities, Heyward, Mills, Dominguez for #10, Mills, LaPorta, Borbon for #22, Mills, LaPorta, Ahrens, Burgess for #29 and #32, also Smoker (now that's a good name for a strikeout pitcher!) and Poreda.

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you finally..
I finally read an explaination of the "Teixiera-type deal."  So basically we'd be paying this kid ~2.25 million a year to play in the minor leagues?
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by WalrusMan on Jun 7, 2007 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you finally..
I think he wants a major league deal, or something that brings him to the majors in X years.

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you finally..
Basically you are betting that he will be in the majors relatively fast, in a year or two.

Teixeira got a $4.5M bonus - but when you are talking about a top 3-5 draft pick, that is what they normally get (OK, this is high side, the #1 pick gets around $5-6M, the rest get around $3M+).

Then his major league contract (which means he's on the 40 man roster, so he will burn an option a year, including, I would think, his partial first season as a pro) paid him $0.25/0.75/1.5/2.5, starting with the season following his pick apparently, I guess he got the minor league pay for his first partial season.  

That would work with Bengie's contract, he's done in 2009, so he could take over in 2010.

I've seen a comment that his defense at catcher could be one of the best in a long time from a draft prospect, so he's probably capable of coming up fast based solely on his defense, but then he's also good offensively.

I'm really hoping he falls to us, but I know that's a long shot given how good he is.  I'm just hoping his demands will turn off all the teams ahead of us.

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Is this the draft day thread for 11am?
do we want to invest that much in a catcher?
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
They filmed Draft Busts VII down at the Monico Corral, didn't they?

And it's a shame he isn't technically a draftee, because Skyler Stromsmoe could really give Van Fixico a run for his money. I can't decide if I want to become a fan of Stromsmoe or a detractor who responds to every mention of him by shouting "Stromsmoe shmomsmoe!" I'm leaning towards the latter.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 7, 2007 1:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
What I would really like to see is for SF to come away with two quality bats in the first round.  Ideally, I think I'd love to see Wieters and LaPorta (hell, I know it would cost a ton, but it's not my money), but I could live with Mills and Burgess/Heyward/Mesoraco or some other young stud hitter who doesn't play 1st.  However Sabean wants to spend the 3rd pick in the first and the rest of the picks in the supplemental is cool by me, but I want to see the system pick up at least two impact bats.

So I'll probably be disappointed.  Because, as Grant is so fond of saying lately, we're talking about the Giants here.  which means we're going for Casey Weathers, Josh Smoker, and Poreda with our first round picks.  And I'm not going to live past the supplemental round because I'll die from nausea-- no one ever died from nausea before, you say? Well, all things are possible with Sabes.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 4:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Oh, and as I've said in another thread, I'd like to see the Giants pick up Stanford RF Mike Taylor.  But then, I am a fan of the Cardinal so I'm somewhat biased there.  And that would just be gravy if we wound up with two impact bats in the first.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 4:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I am with you, I am about to leave for work and when I get home I want to see both Weiters and LaPorta as our first 2 picks.
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: Still walking a batter per inning in AAA.

by sfgreg on Jun 7, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Like Grant said - we're talkin about the Giants here...

by Kestrel on Jun 7, 2007 6:54 AM PDT reply actions  

More great names...
C - Steve Borsczwski
1B - Bob Tumpane
2B - Doug Wabeke
SS - Romy Cucjen
3B - Paul Djanakow
OF - Levi Miskolczi
OF - Gayron Jackson
OF - Notorris Bray
P - Eubulus Marshall
P - Francis Sansosti
P - Dan Yokubaitis
P - Brian Ohnoutka (gotta love a pitcher with "out" in his name)
Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 7:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: More great names...
Notorris might be the best first name EVER...
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: More great names...
Sugar Bear Daniels - A's #1 pick in 1971 out of Detroit

by vivalancellotti on Jun 7, 2007 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Ah, if only Dick Trickle had taken up baseball...
Giant Expectations

by UnleashTheGore on Jun 7, 2007 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
there's still Dick Pole.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Thank you- always loved that one, and of course, the eubulus Mr. Butkus.

(after seeing the first name, Eubulus, above, I've decided that it can be used as an adjective meaning "possessing of a hilarious moniker")

Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 7, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
We better not draft Poreda at #22. Too much of a risk!!!! He currently only has one good pitch, a fastball. Sabean needs to utilize this draft to really improve the farm team. I hope they do not go cheap
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
In the latest Baseball America mock draft (today) the Giants are projected at Wieters. And for pick #22, Poreda again. This would piss  me off so much, because Beau Mills in this draft would still be available and would be drafted by the A's like a pick later.  With pick #29, we would draft Josh Smoker. I love him.

If we could go Wieters, Mills, Smoker (or even Kevin Ahrens) this would be AMAZINGGGG!! I would just be speechless with joy.

Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If we get Weiters at 10, I'm not going to fret about an overdraft at 22.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Agreed, if Wieters somehow happens, I'll cut Sabes a little slack with some longshots.  But I still think that would be miraculous.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
ya but if Mills is still there at 22, I dont care, I WANT him!
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
But remember, they've got a budget. If they pony up for the player who ought to be going number 2, they have to save some money somewhere.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Trade Durham to a contender, start Frandsen, and save the money with the major league roster.

(And that's about as likely as Sabean signing a player he hasn't "admired from afar" for a long time)

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
How does the signing of MLB draft prospects work?  Is it like the NFL where each team is awarded a limit of X dollars (by the league) to sign all of their picks?  Or is the "budget" self-imposed?  If it's the latter, I don't see why management wouldn't stretch the budget a little to bring in a second potential star.

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
the budget is self-imposed. it is exactly for this reason, that if there is another future big impact player available at 22 or 29, i want the giants to go after that player. the farm system is weak and needs to be restocked. the big league team isnt looking good either, and so we need to develop young talent
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
The Giants have said that signability is not an issue at #10, that they will draft based on talent, so I have to believe that #22 or even #29 will draw that same distinction.  I think Giant management realize now that the money they should have spent the year Vlad was a free agent, has to be spent now to build the farm system when they have this golden opportunity.

Let's put it this way, they overpaid to get Lincecum (based on picks ahead and behind, he should have gotten around $1.8M, not the $2.025M he got) then they paid Villalona $2.1M.

According to Cot's, Teixiera's $4.5M bonus was split and paid in 3 installments over 3 years.  So if they do that with the #10 pick, then they should have the money they ponied up for Villalona to sign the #22 if necessary, just on a dollar for dollar comparison between last year and this year's spending.

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
So does the coverage start at 11?  or is that when the picks start to roll in?  Anybody know?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'm gonna guess, coverage starts at 11 and the real thing starts at around 11:30. But, you know, I could be wrong.
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Didn't Winter Phoenix die of a drug overdose on the sidewalk outside Thmoas Dodd Stadium?
Carol Midgen takes calls from Ryan Klesko when driving. (.308/.383/.477 as of 6/5/07)

by Goofus on Jun 7, 2007 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
apparently a guy with the exact same name graduated from Tulane school of medicine:

http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1180075044155350.xml&coll=1&this page=6

This is current from 2007, and the dude stopped playing in 2000 according to the baseball cube. Maybe its the same guy.

I adopted Barry Bonds

by BondsApologist on Jun 7, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Just for kicks, here's last year's draft thread. Funny to see how excited we all were about Kyle Drabek. Props to Martin for being the first to mention the Enchanter's name.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
its funny  how negative so many were on the pick. Goes to show....
I nominate Common Sense as the new GM of the San Francisco Giants.

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 7, 2007 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS. HITTERS.
My VORP is higher than Merkin's VORP.

by Poe on Jun 7, 2007 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Poe, should we go for hitters or pitchers?
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
It sounds as if porcello is dropping fast.

If he is there with the second pick, do we take him???

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Depends on who we take with the first pick... if it's Wieters, spending Boras money on two picks is kind of iffy. That said, we'd suddenly have an absolutely outstanding top of the farm system.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
i would love to also get porcello, but i do understand there has to be a budget and we still have like six picks in the top 51, so I am also 100% sure that we would pass on porcello at 22. he is apparently asking for above $5 million, and the giants wouldnt pay that. but wieters and porcello should in theory help turn the system around in a hurry.
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
So the word right now is Price is going #1 and Vitters is going #2.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Check this mock draft - Moustakas to KC
From mlb.com, Mayos's take on the Wieters pick: "With three picks in the top 30, they can take a chance on a guy perceived to be a tough sign."

From BP, Goldstein's take on a predicted Casey Weathers pick: "With three first-round picks, the Giants will be looking to save a little bit of money here and there."

I guess one way to save money is to draft a guy you might not be able to sign. Beau Mills at 22 and the #10 pick next season? I could live with that, although I think it would be bad PR.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 7, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Check this mock draft - Moustakas to KC
If we take Wieters at 10, I think we sign him.  To hell with Selig, we're not on good terms as a franchise with Bud anyway.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Check this mock draft - Moustakas to KC
I think we have to take Sabean's word that signability is not an issue, talent is, same as last year.  And I agree, it would be horrible PR to not sign whoever they pick.  But they shelled out $2M for Villalona last year, and paid over slot for Lincecum, the pick above and below suggested a bonus $200K less than what he got.

Throw in the cyncism about Sabean if he does end up not signing the #10 pick.  

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Check this mock draft - Moustakas to KC
The thing is... I wouldn't criticize Sabean if he took a Wieters and made him an "above slot but not ridiculous" offer. If he signs, it's an awesome move. If he doesn't, we still end up with five early picks this year and a bonus pick in the #10 slot next year. It wouldn't be overly cheap; it would just be a deferral until next year.

Now I wouldn't criticize Sabean and the Giants in this scenario, but you can bet a lot of people would.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 7, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Yeah I'm hearing Moustakas will go to the Royals

by giants92388 on Jun 7, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I've heard both, but the latest I've read is Vitters. But then, who really knows??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
well we will know in less than an hour
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
that's what BA is saying. The Cubs at 3 would then take Vitters, with Jarrod Parker sliding to 9 or 10, but not past 12.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Look, if the team can spend $6M on Pedro Feliz, $8 mil on Rich Aurilia, $17 million on Dave Roberts, they certainly have the funding to sign a guy who may actually contribute to the next good Giants team.

by Aadik on Jun 7, 2007 10:24 AM PDT reply actions  

If SF goes for a bat at #10
When do you expect/want the bat to deliver in The CIty?

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: If SF goes for a bat at #10
If it's Mills, Wieters or another college hitter, I'd hope they'd be up by sometime during '09 (including perhaps a September call-up next year).

If it's a high school hitter, I wouldn't expect him to be ready until '10 or '11.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
is there any live draft TV feed?
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Starts at 11 on ESPN2
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
pretend I don't have a TV, but I do have a computer with internet access.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Hm, well I don't think there's a feed on the internet, but you could try seeing if MLB.com has a draft tracker again. There might be an audio feed on there too, but I haven't looked at it yet.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Did you see Darryl Strawberry?  KIDS!  STAY AWAY FROM THE STRAWBERRY

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
of course, they can't start on time. Damn TV.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
The Ichiro commercial was funny.  So was the Twins magic act one.

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Yeah, those were my two faves too.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
"Derek Jeter, Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez, and Albert Pujols"

Fuck off, Selig. :giant eye roll:

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
For those not watching the show, that was Selig listing "some of the greatest players" from the amateur draft.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
and most Latin players aren't drafted. So they must not be the lifeblood of the game.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
So, I'm at work and I can't get the MLB.com feed to work... but there are actual prospects at the draft? Anyone notable?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Au Mont too
I want Aumont - he's the kind of high-risk, high-reward guy the Giants can use. They'd have trouble fitting a low-ceiling guy into the rotation so anybody without #1/#2 potential isn't a good pick, IMO.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I love Don Zimmer. he's fuckin' crazy.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
That's because of the metal plate in his head.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Indeed.  We should send Lowry to Seattle and sign Ichiro to an extension as a RF/Closer!

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I like the Mariners one with the "twins" too.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Is this just "suspense" about the Rays pick?  Selig style?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
OH MY GOD IT'S A HUGE UPSET!

Oh, no, wait, they took David Price.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Because they can't trade the pick or anything, so what is the delay?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Maybe they hadn't given the pick any thought at all before now, and they're mulling over the options.

by Mel Ott on Jun 7, 2007 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I was wondering the same thing.  The time limit should be like 2 or three minutes, rather than 5.

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I don't think that ESPN would be televising if there wasn't all that time taken.  They want an event, not a process.  

Plus they can fit in a couple of commercials during the wait and still have time for some comments and views of prospects and so on.

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

now here is where the fun begins
KC  Moustakas?   Porcello?   Vitters?   Parker?

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
"Well, I am really happy about being the first overall pick, Karl, but can I ask you something?  Who designed this cap?  The TB cap looks so stupid!  And 'TB?'  Does this mean I can't go on international flights?"

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Vitters.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
for the Cubs? Probably Vitters
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I've seen some mock drafts having Porcello fall almost or into the supplemental first round.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Boras wants A-Rod money (amateur A-Rod money, heh) for Moustakas.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
over/under on hearing/reading "Price is right for D-Rays" headlines is about 5,000.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
in every newspaper across the country.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
It seems kind of weird that they're passing on Porcello for signability... and taking another guy who's a signability concern.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I have no problem with KC drafting a 3B
even with Gordon and Teahen on board. Thru performance and injury anything can happen. Get your guy and can worry about the abundance of talent later.

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If I have to hear these guys talk for 95% of the  draft I will shoot myself.
Giants Adoptee: Barry Zito. Corrupting minors one Hollywood starlet at a time.

by giantscatcher on Jun 7, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
There is a Boss mute button on the bottom right of the viewing window.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I think they told Keith Law to talk a little faster this time

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
It isn't really like they are showing breakdowns and video of all of the draftees

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
On mlb.com they are showing commercials from various teams - Mariners, hands down, the best

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Giants commercials have really gone downhill since that Golden Year of 2003.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I appreciate the five minute format.

by mxmob33 on Jun 7, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
"The Chicago Cubs take someone who may already be injured"

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Vitters just takes a header going up the stairs.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Vitters just tore his rotator cuff, strained and oblique and got a concussion.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
and got into a fight with Carlos Zambrano.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
cubs = retarded.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
For the Vitters pick? Or just in general.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
well both but vitters should be at 3b no matter what and aramis ramirez is at third already.  Just silly.

especially with wieters on the board.

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Vitters is 17 or 18... they're not going to have to worry about the position he'll play in the majors for at least four years.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
he'll get there within three I believe.  He's a very very polished hitter and average enough on defense.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Ramirez isn't exactly a Gold Glover... his bat can play well at other positions.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Really? What don't you like about Vitters.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
no, i love vitters.  They have more needs and a position at third that's already filled.  Wieters could have come in halfway thru 2008 to replace barrett when he goes.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I like the Price (obviously) and really like the Vitters pick, but I don't think the Royals should have gone with Moustakas.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 7, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Are the Royals sending a message that they won't be scared away by money issues?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Me neither... not because of his position, but because I just don't think he was the best talent on the board.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
"Pittsburgh Pirates take Adam Witter, C, Augusta"

"Peter?  Can they pick someone on a Sally League roster?"

"No Karl, but we are talking about the Pirates.  They are easily confused.  What surprises us is that we anticipated that they would confuse Vitters and Wieters, but to confuse both with a guy in Low A?  Wow.  Those silly Pirates"

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

"I'm just ecstatic"?!?
Vitters just said this, but with all the emotion of the comedian Steven Wright, he was so calm and laid back.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Pirates are mocked for Moskos at #4
I hope so. The more reach picks in the top 9, the more great players will fall to us.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Pirates are mocked for Moskos at #4
for good reason, apparently.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
BTW, the 5:00 clock delay is ESPN's doing I'm pretty sure.  I saw an interview with Mike Nolan recently where he said they submitted the Alex Smith pick as soon the clock started but the pick wasn't announced for the full 15 minutes because of ESPN's production needs -- they have a certain amount of highlights cued up and so many experts that they've alloted so many minutes to.  Most of the first round is planned out from a production standpoint before the draft begins.  Same here I would imagine, because it's the best way to guarantee a well-produced and informative show (and I produce a fair amount of live TV).

by Roger on Jun 7, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I direct a fair amount of live TV. What/where do you do, Roger?
Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Wow, the Pirates are going to suck forever.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
The Pirates are the team that took Bryan Bullington a few years ago with the #1 overall pick and then said "we see him as a #3 starter"

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
what a waste of a beautiful ball park.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Four picks in and Jonathan Mayo's got it nailed. Obviously he's working the phone's well.

by Roger on Jun 7, 2007 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Ya beat me by 11 seconds.  I shouldn't have provided a link!!!  :^D
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
MLB's Mayo is 4 for 4 thus far:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070607&content_id=2011187&vkey=draft2007&fext= .jsp

He is also showing up on the show too.

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Unfortunately, he was wrong where it counted, the Giants pick...
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I thought the Pirates would have learned better than to reach for an underwhelming college pitcher in the top 10 by now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
How long is the clock?
I live life like every week is shark week. Oh and ignore the spelling. I do.....

by someguynamedg on Jun 7, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
damn, there goes wieters
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

man...
the pirates suck....They just made the draft alot more interesting though.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
AJLGHOEIHT:OIWHGJ:LO
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Wieters to Orioles.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Damn!!!
Wieters taken.  I hate the Orioles!!!
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Damn!!!
I hope Boras plays hardball with the Orioles and Wieters falls back into the 2008 draft.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I knew that was gonna happen. Balti wanted to make an impact and show they're willing to spend. FUCK!

by Kestrel on Jun 7, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Well, so much for that. GOGO MILLS.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
That would be cool, though - if after the world series, all the players in MLB were draftable again!

by zenbitz on Jun 7, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
even without weiters we can still pick up Canham later on, he is a  pretty good C
I adopted Barry Bonds

by BondsApologist on Jun 7, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Do we want Detwiler if he's there?

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Not over Mills.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I think either Mills or LaPorta will be available at 22, and I'd be happy with either. I'd have to take Porcello, Parker, or Detwiler at 10.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Go Mills, Mills. Go Mills, Mills...

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Nats are mocked to draft Aumont or Detwiler
They should take Aumont and move back to Montreal.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Brewers mocked for Parker
I finally figured out why you keep saying "mocked." Please stop.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Done
excuse any confusion

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

did...
anyone read about Giant interest in Dominguez?
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: did...
No, but he sounds like a natural fit -- Pedro Feliz Jr.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

that...
is actually a fairly good comp.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: that...
In all fairness, that's probably his worst-case scenario.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'd be reaaally iffy about handing a high school pitcher the amount of $$ he's asking for. And I don't think the Giants can really afford to let him go unsigned and wait until next year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Does the coverage today include the sandwich round?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

weird
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Laporta to Milwaukee
Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Jun 7, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
wow. Laporta to Brewers at #7.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Damn. I was hoping for LaPorta in the 20s.

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 7, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I am liking...
how it has shaped up so far.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Holy cr*p!  Most drafts I saw had LaPorta falling past the first round!  I thought we might get him at #22, outside #29.  I guess we got Mills, unless, that is, he is picked by one of the teams ahead of us.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I guess we got Mills, unless, that is, he is picked by one of the teams ahead of us.

Good analysis.

Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jun 7, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

that pick...
made no sense.  He can barely play the field!
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
LaPorta? That's a weird pick for them... I know you don't draft on need in the top 10, but he's close to major league ready and doesn't seem to have a position other than 1b... and the Brewers are kinda set at 1B for the next 5 years or so.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Yeah, Brewers taking a 1B ... that's one of the few cases where you have to think of the makeup of the big-league team when you draft.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Whoa? Take the best talent and all, but LaPorta is a 1b - and can't move anywhere - while the Brewers have Fielder. Makes no sense to me.

by Aadik on Jun 7, 2007 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
prince is too fat to last much longer.

by SFfaninNYC on Jun 7, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
He is fat, but I don't see any reason why he won't be able to last until his late 20s at least.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
That makes some sense, plus, Fielder will end up making a lot more money

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Analysts said they would trade him for what they need next year.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Will the Rockies take Dominguez so they can have 4547636 Third Baseman in their system?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Weathers...
projects as a back of the rotation starter! Another pick I don't really like.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Weathers...
well he's a closer now . . .
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
It could be a domino from Moustakas moving up so high and selected #2 and Wieters being picked by the Nats.

If Mills should be gone, I wonder where we go...

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Parker, Heyward, Porcello, Aumont, others could be there if Mills isn't.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aumont
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
It would be just like the Rockies to take the guy the Giants want.

by out machine on Jun 7, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
yeah, that bullshit excuse for a team has been hosing us for years. 0 for the season in 1993 vs. the braves.
I adopted Barry Bonds

by BondsApologist on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
D-Backs will do the same thing. Watch Parker go next.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Meh, I don't see how you can pick a closer so high in the draft.  Good for Rockies, ruin another pitcher.  :^)
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
good pick for the rockies.
\
better one for us
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I am ok with the rocks taking him there. i feel that is an overdraft so they arent maximizing value with that pick
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Lol Rockies.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Great news
SF will get either Parker, Aumont or Schmidt

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Great news
...or Mills.
Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jun 7, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'm reeallllllly glad that Moskas and Weathers aren't available.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

pretty...
much the best case scenario (except for Weiters)
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
i'm hopin for parker, porcello, mills, or heyward (in no particular order)
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

+1
I hope it's one of those four.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Karl Ravech said Giants are getting better. Wtf?

by giants92388 on Jun 7, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

They're getting better all the time
Mostly because they can't get no worse.
Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jun 7, 2007 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
he specified young pitching.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Ok. that Colorado humidor commercial would be funny if it weren't true.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I was thinking the same thing. What nerve.

by out machine on Jun 7, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Ugh, D-backs just showed the worse commercial thus far...
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Exactly.  How stupid.

The Mariners commercials are absolutely hilarious

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Help!
Is there a draft tracker that doesn't require flash like the one at MLB?  I can't figure out what's been happening.
The answer: Ryan Klesko. The question: Doesn't matter. (.312/.395/.477 as of 6/7/07)

by Goofus on Jun 7, 2007 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Help!
I'm just following along here, but Rotoworld's been updating the picks pretty quickly.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I want a hitter, and for some reason, I cannot go for Mills at #10, so I'm hoping for Dominguez or Heyward now.  
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
How about Ahrens? He's getting unfairly lost in the shuffle this year.

by Roger on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Most drafts I saw had him falling to us at either #22 or #29, so now I'm hoping we get him then, most of the big hitters I thought would fall to here.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I've been thinking, the Orioles don't pick Wieters if they aren't guaranteed an equivalent pick next year.  Damn...
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
i hate the diomand back so much
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Basically...
the only option that might drive me to violence at this point is schmidt.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
why are they talking about how short parker is?

6'2" is nothing to sneeze at for a high school pitcher

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'd say go for Mills at this point.  The way hitters have been flying off the board, let's get one while we still can.  
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Although I am not happy with the DBacks getting Parker.

TINSTAAPP - TINSTAAPP???

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
It will be Mills.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Heyward or Porcello
http://giantsoffseason.blogspot.com

by NeifiChicken on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Okay, take Mills.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Isn't Porcello the highest player on the board??

by allfrank on Jun 7, 2007 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
He is, but he wants a major league contract and a ton of money... very risky proposition for a high school pitcher.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Damnit! I wanted Parker or Wieters. Curse the D-backs!

by Aadik on Jun 7, 2007 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
i'm actually happy with most anything except schmidt or aumont
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Wow Karl Ravich is really appearing amateurish here today! Asks the same lame question to Price and Weathers, seems confused about where he's going. Just a poor effort.

by Roger on Jun 7, 2007 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL SOMEONE
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Who?
Sabean Trek: The Search for 100 Losses

by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Jun 7, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
i am totally speechless
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

uhhh...
what?
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Oh dear.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I quit.
Sabean Trek: The Search for 100 Losses

by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

by Kestrel on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
FIRE THE WHOLE SCOUTING STAFF RIGHT NOW
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I think Dr. B just threw himself down the stairs.

by Skaldheim on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Oh my god, someone run to Doc B's house and rush him to the hospital. (check the bottom of the stairs)!

by Roger on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
With the 10th pick in the draft, the Giants draft Jonathan Sanchez
http://giantsoffseason.blogspot.com

by NeifiChicken on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Cool.  A High School pitcher...
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.

by The Nick on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
FUCK YOU SABEAN
Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
The affinity for funky names continues.

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
High school pitcher.  Gross.  They never will hit again.
Sabean Trek: The Search for 100 Losses

by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
steve phillips is gettting stabbed in the neck.

right after sabean and tidrow.

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
THAT WAS DUMB AS SHIT

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Madison Bumgarner?  I think I'm sick...
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
and thats what happens when you get too excited about the Giants drafting a hitter.
I adopted Barry Bonds

by BondsApologist on Jun 7, 2007 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
KEITH LAW SHUT THE FUCK UP
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
WE TOOK FUCKING BUMGARNER WITH PORCELLO, AUMONT, MILLS AND HEYWARD ON THE BOARD?

CAN WE FIRE SABEAN ALREADY?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I don't ever want this team to have hitting again anyway.
Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If you are going to take a pitcher, why not Aumont?  WTF?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
or fucking porcello who is a stud!!!
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

BA profile
14. Madison Bumgarner, lhp
School: South Caldwell HS, Hudson, N.C. Class: Sr.
B-T: R-L. Ht.: 6-5. Wt.: 220. Birthdate: 8/1/89.

Scouting Report: In terms of physical features, arm slot and velocity, Bumgarner could be considered a lefthanded version of Phillippe Aumont. He pitches with less effort and has better fastball command than his Canadian counterpart. But the knock on Bumgarner is the lack of a true secondary pitch. He pitches off his best weapon, a 92-94 mph fastball that has been up to 97 this spring. It has late life and finish. He has tried multiple grips and shapes with his breaking ball, and at times has flashed a fringe-average pitch that has tilt and late snap at 81 mph. Like Aumont, Bumgarner throws from a low three-quarters release point, which he doesn't repeat well, and that makes achieving downward action on his breaking ball difficult. His changeup is a below-average pitch that should improve when and if he throws it more often. Because of his size, athleticism and velocity, Bumgarner is a surefire first-rounder. The club that believes he can come up with a true breaking ball down the line could pop him as early as 10th or 11th overall.

Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Oh. Bumgarner's okay. From the reactions here I thought it must be Schmidt.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Why Bumgartner over Porcello?  Signability?

by allfrank on Jun 7, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
CRAPTASTIC.
My VORP is higher than Merkin's VORP.

by Poe on Jun 7, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'm so disappointed.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Saving money probably plays a factor here too, considering they have so many early picks.

This isn't a horrible pick, lots of upside here, but still, I would've preferred Heyward

http://giantsoffseason.blogspot.com

by NeifiChicken on Jun 7, 2007 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I just threw up in my mouth.  I'm not even joking.  I think it was the rum I was drinking last night.

On a related note, our Giants just took someone I've barely heard mentioned with the #10 pick in the best draft in years.

by fwoty oz on Jun 7, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Well, maybe Mills really will make it to 22.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If Mills makes it there, I'll do a backflip.
Sabean Trek: The Search for 100 Losses

by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Any chance Mills lasts another 10 picks?

by positiveuphemism on Jun 7, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
The fact that Keith Law didn't rip the Giants makes me feel slightly better

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

agreed
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'm really annoyed, but Goldstein says the Dodgers were going to pick him. Given Logan White's track record, I'll annoint this a "good pick by proxy". I will be pissed if Mills is gone at 22 though.

by Aadik on Jun 7, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I like this thinking. I'm going to choose to believe it's true.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I guess banking on Brian Sabean to pick a hitter this high was kind of a pipe dream.  This'll be his last draft anyway
Sabean Trek: The Search for 100 Losses

by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Jun 7, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
not a bad pick, but considering what was still out there, it's a bit disappointing.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Perhaps they're hoping Mills, Dominguez, Porcello, Aumont, et al is there at 22?

by sfgfan on Jun 7, 2007 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
this is crazy. did anyone else look at last  years overreactions to the lincecum pick?
calm the eff down
I nominate Common Sense as the new GM of the San Francisco Giants.

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 7, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
The South Side Chicago Board of Tourism commercials just kill

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Taking pitchers would be fine if we turned them into hitters via trade. But considering we're not drafting hitters, none of the free agent hitters the team went after last year signed with us, and we haven't made any major trades to get hitters by giving up pitchers lately, seriously, how are we going to get hitting?

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 7, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Well, if they have more pitching in the system, they could be more likely to trade for hitters

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Agrred.  You have to have something behind if you're going to trade.

by allfrank on Jun 7, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
It just seems like teams aren't giving up young players the way they've might have several years ago. That mostly leaves us with drafting for overpaid players or guys in their walk years. It's a huge benefit to get a young hitter for cheap for a few years. Even if you don't agree with who was chosen, just look at what both of last year's MVPs made for a good example of this!

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 7, 2007 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'd rather have Henry Rosengardner...
"Obviously, he hasn't watched Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills". It's endorsed by Fred McGriff, you know."

by Glenallen Hill's Helmet on Jun 7, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If he's truly a one-pitch guy, might he be a prospect to close one day?
The answer: Ryan Klesko. The question: Doesn't matter. (.312/.395/.477 as of 6/7/07)

by Goofus on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

SF is the perfect team to help his pitching
in a couple of mock drafts they had him #10 to SF. He is raw but can be very good with development.

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I would think, with the pitchers we have and some of our ptiching coaches, teaching this guy a change and/or curve would be pretty certain.

by allfrank on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
According to the link I provided below, he apparently has a good changeup that he hasn't had to use much in high school.  Also, apparently his father only allowed him to start throwing breaking pitches a year ago, so that's why he is considered to be a one pitch pitcher.  I guess the hope there is that since he only started a year ago, he should get much better with professional coaching and repetition.

Still, a pitcher?  

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
wow, dumb dumb dumb dumb.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
MLB comments on draft tracker for those who don't have it:

"Bumgarner certainly looks the part, with the body type and fastball of a professional pitcher.  Lefties from the high school ranks with plus velocity like that don't come around very often.  Any team who takes him will have to keep him from changing his arm angle on his breaking stuff, but chances are there will be many teams willing to give that a shot."

Here is a link to his full scouting report:  http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2007/tracker.jsp?mc=bumgarner

Still, sigh...

"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Well, heck, as long as he "looks the part" - what is there to worry about?

Can someone confirm whether he has a "closer's face"?  

by Mel Ott on Jun 7, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
You guys are definitely overreacting. Beau Mills sucks and Bumgarner has high potential.

by giants92388 on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
bumgarner has no secondary pitches

beau mills is a great right handed hitter who can hit for power and average with a good eye.

what the fuck are you smoking?

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
who the fuck are you? the foremost authority on scouting? why if mills is so good has he not been picked yet?
I nominate Common Sense as the new GM of the San Francisco Giants.

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 7, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Uh... you mean left-handed power right?

by Roger on Jun 7, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Yeah, I think the scouting report OGC linked is very exciting.  Jesus, the kid is still 17, has only been throwing breaking pitches for a year.  A hard throwing lefty starter?  In 3 years we will have somnething incredible.

by allfrank on Jun 7, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Keith Law says it's a tremendous pick in his analysis section.  But he also says Bumgarner is a long term project who has the stuff to eventually be a number 2 starter-- I don't really see why that's so tremendous at the 10th overall pick.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 7, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd....
rather take a project starting pitcher at 10 than a college closer any day.

Perhaps they disliked the high school hitters available?

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
well at least we didn't get aumont, the tallest little girl ever.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
we drafted a guy with "Bum" in his name. that can't be good.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
But he also has a "mad" in his name and this team needs some meanness.
The answer: Ryan Klesko. The question: Doesn't matter. (.312/.395/.477 as of 6/7/07)

by Goofus on Jun 7, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Nickname: The Mad Bum.

kinda has a nice ring to it.

Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'd say there's a good chance he'll develop into quite the pitcher but with the other options available I just can't see him as a #10 pick.  Lincecum had his plus curve to compliment the fastball already developed, this guy will take a lot of coaching before he can even think about starting at the MLB level.

by fwoty oz on Jun 7, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Yeah, the thing I'm iffy about is taking a pitcher who's only pitch other than his fastball is described as "Fringe-average." I know he's a HS pitcher and we've developed them well before (well, we developed Cain), but I feel like a top 10 pick should have more than a fastball.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
*whose
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Disagree.  I think it is great that this 17 yr old has just started throwing breaking stuff - means his arm is more likely in good shape.  Give him 3 years to develop a curve or slider, work on a split or sinker and refine his change and you have a damn good SP

by allfrank on Jun 7, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
my thoughts exactly.  He would be been a great pick at 22 but probably wouldn't have made it there.  If we were aiming arms I would've liked an Aumont pick and let someone else develop Bumgarner with their midteens pick.

by fwoty oz on Jun 7, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
We need someone to replace Zito in 7 years.
Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 7, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I'm going to pretend the Giants didn't have a 1st-round pick at all, and then I'll be absolutely stoked on the draft.

Bumgarner isn't the end of the world, but, dangit.

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 7, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
don't worry, we have 2 other 1st rounders to fuck up
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Hey, I think Matt Capps is going to get a save for my fantasy team

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Glad to see the Bumgarner thing didn't get you down for too long.

by Evan on Jun 7, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
I have 5 years to hope Bumgarner develops into something.

The save is immediate gratification!

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
If Bumgarner isn't on the Matt Cain track - Cain made the majors by age 20-21 - then I would consider the pick a deep disappointment.
"No batboy can throw a ball like that." - Randy Winn, when someone noted that Lincecum look like a teenage batboy

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 7, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Thank you, Giants management, for drafting a pitcher that we certainly have no need for.

Uhm, is there something I missed about Rick Porcello?  Because I'm pretty sure he's a better pitching prospect than Bumgarner.  If we take two more pitchers, I am killing someone.

Anyone have Sabean's address. . .?  Have any sniper rifles they want to let me borrow, or explosives. . .?

I am the thinking man's thinking man.

by JT Jordan on Jun 7, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
Well, as far as Porcello goes, it sounds like he might have his heart set on going to UNC.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 7, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teams always need pitching
even if you have a staff of studs you want/need/could use more

by wilriv21 on Jun 7, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Open Draft Thread, 2007
maybe this means we're trading the J-Snatch?
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

0 correlation...
exists between the selection of a raw high-school pitcher and the fate of Sanchez.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 7, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: 0 correlation...
i think it might, but oh well
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 7, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions