Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
I've been thinking about this a lot recently and I've decided that I'd like to see Paul DePodesta as our next GM. He knows how to build a farm system, isn't afraid to do new things, and I'm a big fan of sabermetrics anyway.
Here are some of his moves: http://danjulien.atspace.com/depo.htm
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by allfrank on Jun 5, 2007 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Fortunately for us, Colletti is a dumbass and has blocked many of their young players.
DePo would be a fantastic GM.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 5, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I mean, Brad Penny seems to be pretty good right now.
by groug on Jun 5, 2007 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Jun 5, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I think he'd be great.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 5, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DePo carries around a letter of recommendation
by Moggeee on Jun 5, 2007 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stockpiled?
Having said all that, if we haven't already fired Sabean, I'd keep him around as he finally seems to be heading in the right direction.
by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I'd also argue against the idea that he's got things headed in the right direction. I see absolutely no evidence of that. A starting pitcher or two doesn't a team make (particularly when one of them hits the 100 pitch mark at about 3.1 innings every time out).
You know this of course but Sabean came to the GM's office from scouting director. I don't know if that argues against your point our supports it.
by Roger on Jun 6, 2007 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Jun 6, 2007 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logan White Genius
by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SFfaninNYC on Jun 6, 2007 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Brown
by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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So, yeah, I second your recommendation of Dan Evans. I know that Kim Ng is also highly thought of, but I don't personally know enough about here to be sure.
But I would be happy with EITHER Evans or DePo -- neither of whom got their just credit with the Dodgers.
I actually thought Ned Colletti might be the better of the twosome of him and Brian Sabean. He probably is, but more because Brian isn't as good as I once thought he was than because of brilliant moves made by Colletti.
Colletti actually benefitted from Evans' prospects and from DePodesta's salary cutting -- which enabled Ned to have lots of buck to spend when he took over.
by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Who's available? I'm hoping Larry Beinfest gets tired of Loria in Florida and comes out West.
by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 5, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Jun 6, 2007 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Paul DePodesta was the GM of the Dodgers two seasons, winning the NL West the first season, then missing the playoffs his second season as -- in the words of McDonalds -- gynormous injuries kept the SoCal-ers out.
The two mistakes people make when they take the simplistic approach you took is that they ignore (or at least devalue) the injuries (rivaling those of the Giants, including the big one to Barry Bonds) and likely aren't aware that DePo cut the Dodgers payroll by $25 million over those two seasons.
The proper response here would be "Oh. I didn't realize that."
by sharksrog on Jun 5, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Anyway, that's my opinion. I'm more thn happy to cut bait after '08 if he blows what's a mostly promising early rebuild, but right now it looks like he has a plan to me, and that the plan is a solid one.
If Sabean goes, though, I'd rather gamble on somebody exciting with an eye for the farm. I don't kno who those people are, but I'm sure over the course of the next year or so I'll find out.
And come the deadline, Sabean could seriously change my mind about this whole keeping him insanity. If he sticks to what I percieve to be his rebuilding plan, I'll support the man. If not, off with his head.
by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2007 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Jun 6, 2007 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It is possible the Giants under Sabean not only won't make the playoffs in any of three seasons, but that they won't even achieve .500 in any of those campaigns.
But the real damage has been from within. Aside from recently demoted Jonathan Sanchez and 16-year-old Angel Villalona, the Giants minor-league cupboard is rather empty.
As has been mentioned here before by several posters, in his now 11-year tenure, Brian has yet to draft and develop a single position player who is above-average.
In business, one of the biggest and most apt criticisms is that companies focus on short-term results at the cost of long-term development. Sound like any baseball team you know?
by sharksrog on Jun 5, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But for most of those 11 years, he was in a position that allowed the old philosophy to be successful. Barry Bonds + magically resurrected retreads <past tense>=</pt> winning teams. Now, it doesn't, and I'm seeing things that tell me that as of the end of 2006 he sincerely understands that.
He's doing things that he had more or less sworn off of doing. He scouted the caribbean again. He dealt with Boras on more than one occassion. Rather than signing extensions to veterans, he signed stopgap contracts to cover development years and bring in draft pics as free agents (and, hopefully, to trade for young talent). He stockpiled draftpicks like a madman. He allowed system players to have regular playing time (Frandsen, Lewis, Ortmeier, Linden, Alfonzo/Niekro-sort-of - he even planned for Linden and Frandsen).
That's a lot of stuff that he hasn't done while he's been here, at least not to the levels that he is doing this year.
The evaluation for the year remains to be seen. Like I said, he can chnge my mind in a major way. but if we pass the trade deadline with 1) NOT giving up significant minor league or pitching talent and 2) possibly getting some young talent in return for a guy like Roberts, Durham, Vizquel, Aurilia, Feliz, or Morris, then I will be nearly convinced that my perception of his plan is right and that he has a good plan worth keeping. The other part of the evaluation has to be the draft. IMO, whether it is with our top few picks or not we NEED to draft legitimate hitting prospects, and multiple at that.
If those two things happen the way I think they will (the trade deadline and the draft), then I believe that Sabean has in fact rebuilt his philosophy and has a good plan worth following up on in 2008.
If they don't happen the way that I think they will, then there is a very good chance that my mind will be significantly swayed.
I'd also lie to see some decent hitting coaches, please. That would be a cherry on top.
We'll see. This is my opinion as of today, to give it time. If I'm right, then he's worth a chance in '08. If I'm wrong, then he's clearly not. But we won't know until at least sometime in July.
by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kent on Jun 6, 2007 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Helluva post
by achiappanza on Jun 6, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Jun 5, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I also want to say DePodesta is that LAST person I want to see take over the GM position. He proved he is incompetent and had all of the Dodger organization in chaos. Why would we want that here? Because he is a Billy Beane disciple? Nah! If we have to replace Sabean, and can pick anyone we want, I want Ned Colletti back. Not going to happen, I know.
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The starting rotation is pretty good for now. Let's hope the young guys continue to develop and Zito doesn't get injured or lose his command while the team is figuring out how to get good young hitters and a reliable bullpen to go with it.
Plenty of people give Sabean credit for drafting good pitchers. It's his trades, free-agent signings, and inability or unwillingness to draft and develop good hitters that are the problem.
Ned Colletti has made an absolute hash of the Dodgers organization - I'm happy about that, of course, but he - not DePodesta - should be the "LAST" person to fill Sabean's shoes, if and when he leaves.
DePodesta trimmed payroll, kept the Dodgers competitive, and got their farm system in good working order before he got fired - thanks in no small part to the unceasing vitriol poured forth on him by Bill Plashke, who has to be Bruce Jenkins only real competition for the coveted title of "Worst Sportswriter on the West Coast." DePodesta may or may not be the best candidate available, but he's worlds better than Colletti and Giants fans should say a little prayer of thanks to the baseball gods that the Dodgers threw him under a bus just when he'd laid the groundwork for their success.
by Mel Ott on Jun 6, 2007 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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We have very, very different views on DePodesta and Colletti. Ned's leading a team into contention every year, while DePodesta showed he didn't know how to lead anything. Keep the latter as far away from the Giants as possible.
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Yikes, we've enterted Bizarro world.
by marcello on Jun 6, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Signing Juan Pierre and his 64 OPS+
Signing Luis Gonzalez, who has a 114 OPS+ - not bad at all - but crap defense and a Johnny Damon arm
Signing Jason Schmidt, who is clearly breaking down, has contributed very little to the Dodgers this year, and won't be a big part of their future.
Meanwhile, Neddie already had better in-house options, is simply sitting on his minor-league talent, and can't decide whether top prospect LaRoche, quality prospect Betemit, or less-talented Tony Abreu should play 3B. Plus, all the talent was already there in the organization before he showed up.
So how, exactly, is Colletti setting the Dodgers up to compete for years to come?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Aadik on Jun 6, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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So far, Colletti has done pretty well. The Dodgers having made it to the playoffs in his one year of service, as opposed to 71-91 record the year before. Now, it is fair to ask what did he do to help or hinder his team in that one year. The answer is he did quite a lot to help. He acquired Furcal, Garciaparra, Saito, Ethier, Betemit, Anderson, Maddux, and Lofton - among others. He did so without giving up much in the way of the Dodgers' future. Furcal, Garciaparra, and Saito turned out to be major plusses for the Dodgers and the others have helped. He also gave them a competent manager and stability in the Front Office. I think it is clear that without the moves Colletti made prior to the 2006 season the Dodgers don't make the playoffs.
Prior to this season, he signed, in addition to the players you named, Randy Wolf and Lieberthal both who have been helpful -especially Wolf. Of the players you have named, Gonzalez was a low risk gamble that has paid off. Schmidt still has the opportunity, I'm sorry to say, to pay off in a big way. Only Pierre seems to me to be a bad signing.
What you have is a GM who is willing to go out and get players to help his team win and is not afraid to make a mistake once in a while to do so. As I said he has also continued to stockpile young talent in the minors that look to help the team in the future. So what is your complaint? If I was a Dodger fan I wouldn't have many.
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I am not saying that Colletti has wrecked the franchise or done a particularly poor job, because it is really too early to tell. Basically, though, Colletti inherited a team that already had a lot of talent, patched a couple holes, and got to watch the results. And some of his moves have very little to do with the Dodgers' future success, unless you want to give him credit, and it seems that you do, for not trading away all of the valuable talent out of their system (even though they don't get to play).
Also, your shit about "reality" and wins? Hey, guess what? You're a dick, and not a very smart one! Congratulations.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Jun 6, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Impressive. Logic like this wins you a lot of arguments, does it?
You're missing the point. Colletti patched a lot of holes - not a few - and stopped the chaos in the front office. Especially the feuding between the manager and the general manager. He gave the Dodgers a shot at the division with his moves and they won the Wild Card because of it. As a result the Dodgers entered this season as the odds on favorite to win the division and they haven't shown that those expectations were unfounded - at least so far. That's doing a very good job in the short time he has been around. I'm not asking anyone to consider him for the Hall of Fame, but his performance and his team's performance under him is a much, much better than his predecessor.
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Does prefacing your arguments with crap like you posted win you a lot of arguments? You can't throw out shit lines like that and expect them to go unanswered.
That's doing a very good job in the short time he has been around. I'm not asking anyone to consider him for the Hall of Fame, but his performance and his team's performance under him is a much, much better than his predecessor.
That is fine, and a perfectly reasonable assessment. You are, perhaps, giving Colletti a little too much credit for undoing the chaos in the front office - after all, the owner fired the old GM. At any rate, I don't think that Colletti has ruined the Dodgers (unfortunately). I do think that it is too early to tell what will happen with the Dodgers. Will Colletti start trading the young talent that they have so far been unwilling to play? What will he get in return? Will he keep signing guys like Juan Pierre to block the talent they have?
There are a lot of questions, and we are going to have to wait for the answers.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Your point about the owner firing the old GM is obviously valid, but that's not what I was trying to say. Colletti hired a manager and works well with his manager, instead of undercutting him.
Lastly, I'm not the one calling names here. I posted my response about "reality" directed to someone who wanted to make cheap shots about a "bizarro" world and ran away. You seemed to endorse his cheap shot and I, perhaps not in the nicest tone, called your attention to the importance of wins in evaluating the performance of GMs. Obviously, you took it as something horrible and went way over the line. You want to have a civil discussion, I'm all for it. If so, stop with name calling, and we can proceed.
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I will respond to arguments with arguments. You could have said "Wins are important when evaluating GMs," but you said "See, here in the reality based world we take things like "wins" into account when evaluating GMs. It's a novel concept I know." "Horrible?" No. A shot that I won't let you get away with? Yes. I was just less subtle.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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"Less subtle" doesn't cover it by half. On most boards what you did would get you banned. Nevermind, if you want to continue this in a civil manner, I'm game.
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I am civil to people who don't call me names. I hope your doing so is an "isolated episode."
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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This has gotten really tedious. It appears that neither of us are going to respond well to nasty comments or names. Fine. May the civility continue.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by marcello on Jun 6, 2007 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey dood, in reality, Lieberthal sucks
Cause in my reality Lieberthal has a line of .239/.286/.269 in 26 AB. He actually has a WPA of -.25, so he's actually been the opposite of helpful.
"What you have is a GM who is willing to go out and get players to help his team win"
Yup, help has to mean signing veterans to long term contracts and block/wreck your top prospects for the future. Hey, that sounds like another helpful GM I know...
By your definition it seems pretty much everyone is helpful. Hey , Pedro Feliz is helpful because he plays baseball! Armando Benitez, really helpful!
But please, feel free to continuing being a condescending moran to us other posters. It really is so helpful to us all.
by awesomer on Jun 6, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: hey dood, in reality, Lieberthal sucks
Most of the contracts Colletti has signed veterans to are not long term and don't block young talent if they are ready. The longest contract he has signed someone to, I believe, is Furcal and he is no greybeard. Players like Lofton and Gonzalez are signed to short term deals and if some young player shows he can play better it looks to me the Dodgers are willing to hand the job to them.
awesomer, you might have a point if (1) the Dodgers were playing poorly - they aren't, or (2) poorly playing veteran players were being played over youngsters who have shown they are ready for the job - again they aren't. As such your argument is more of ideological rant against GMs signing older players. The point should be whether the signings work. With the Dodgers' record over the last year and a half, it is fair to say Colletti's plan is working so far.
Also, I don't treat anyone with disrespect on these boards who doesn't first attack me with snide remarks because I don't adopt a philosophy that is in vogue among many posters. When I get comments like I did about a "bizarro" world and others I've received from posters like you, then I'll respond. I don't find name calling is conducive to discussion, but I won't ignore insults from people who want to pull the posts into schoolyard bullying type taunts. Fair enough?
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds fair to me
The contract I was referring to mainly was Pierre's. 44 mil for years is actually a better deal, the 44 for 5 years they did give him is beyond ridiculous especially when Matt Kemp is already the better player and makes the minimum.
Furcal's contract is actually pretty good considering as its only 3 years and their lack of SS depth meditated him.
I think Loney already proved himself last year and in Spring Training but Nomar definitely is blocking him. That he signed nomar for 2 years for nearly 20 mil with a no trade clause is a pretty terrible deal in my opinion. I doubt teams were beating down the door for him this offseason.
While the Gonzo signing was low risk 1 year deal, you still are blocking Kemp and/or Loney from playing, who as far as most projections see it, better players and make the minimum.
And calling up LaRoche to sit on the bench is pretty much inexcusable, not sure if Little or Coletti is more at fault here but to have a top 25 prospect just wasting on a ML bench in favor of Tony Abreu is stupid (this is partially my fantasy team talking, the Giants fans should be thrilled about it)
These are my main points with Coletti, but to each their own.
by awesomer on Jun 6, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Sounds fair to me
I don't, however, think the two-year contract to Garciaparra was a mistake, especially considering his performance last year. It isn't a long term commitment, and Nomar's stats this year are too small a sample to think a player of his proven capabilities is washed up. Unfortunately, I think he will be much closer to last years stats by year's end. Loney on the bench or in the minors for one or two more years isn't the worst thing in the world (if the mess at third continues Nomar could move there and open first for Loney.)
Now, if I'm the manager or GM, I'm all for playing whoever is hottest. Gonzo has been playing well and he is getting the playing time, but I don't see that as blocking Kemp or anyone else. They have to play better and take the job away. Same with LaRoche.
by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: hey dood, in reality, Lieberthal sucks
by Aadik on Jun 6, 2007 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I mentioned this somewhere yesturday, but perhaps he does have a plan? He's solidified one of the harder aspects of a team to solidify, and that is the starting rotation. He drafted for future middle infield depth and some speed last year. Perhaps this year he'll look at bigger bats that the team desperately needs.
If the team is fortunate enough to have this year's bats come up with last year's speed in two years or so, there will be a two or three year window where there is Cain, Lincecum and possibly Lowry and Sanchez in the rotation. That has potential "awesome" all over it.
by sfgfan on Jun 6, 2007 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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And that he was so slow to learn makes him questionable IMO.
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by giants92388 on Jun 5, 2007 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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He's built a solid team... another great trade was Xavier Nady for Mike Cameron.
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by lyricalkiller on Jun 5, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But I think the question around these transactions are how much is Kevin Towers and how much is Sandy Alderson, because guys like Josh Bard and Adrian Gonzalez were Moneyball style players?
I'm curious with this organization as well--how much is Brian Sabean's doing, and how much is ownership involved?
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by Aadik on Jun 5, 2007 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by smirnoff on Jun 5, 2007 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Antonelli just signed an extension a few weeks ago
by awesomer on Jun 6, 2007 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 11, 2007 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Ellis Burks?
by EliminateMe on Jun 6, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Jun 5, 2007 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Barring that, DePo.
Barring that, steal someone from the Indians.
Barring that, try to lure Sandy Alderson away from President of the the Pad People duties.
Barring that... um... bring me Kim Ng and hire Peter Gammons as assistant GM.
by David Arnott on Jun 6, 2007 1:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Jun 6, 2007 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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DePodesta= no. I didn't see moneyball at work in LA during his short time there, I saw some fat cash thrown around. Worse, the whole get-a-fat-guy-to-take-pitches mentality I think will not work well in Mays Field where there's a ton of ground to cover in the OF and plenty of room to bash doubles and triples and run a lot.
As for Sabes, I think last night's game said a lot. I remember getting tickets to an AZ-SF game for $8 each a couple years ago, and being very lonely at Mays Field. They were a 100-loss team fielding a bunch of kids and spare parts. Ditto for the Rockies. Now both field respectable lineups, young and interesting with some "veteran savvy" here and there.
The Giants field a lineup like that now, but the kids are not necessarily as good as those that have developed in AZ and CO in part because there hasn't been three years of sifting through kids and spare parts to find the lineup. Which is too bad, because the starting pitching the Giants have assembled is in general a lot better than that in AZ and CO.
Also, I don't think that strategy is intentional on the part of Sabean and co, it's been forced on them by injuries to the Over the Hill Gang. I'll buy the arguments here that Sabean has "gotten the message" when Klesko, Aurilia, and the other short-timers start sitting regularly or are, better yet, shipped out for some future. Don't trust anyone over 30, Brian.
Finally, I find it interesting (1) that when baseball teams struggle, the first person dumped is the manager, and not the GM (think of what could have happened during the Alou period if one of the guys mentioned in this thread had replaced Sabean instead) and (2) that we are blaming Sabean for everything. It's entirely possible that every year he has a meeting with the ownership who tell him how much he has to spend and how important it is to fill the ballpark and field a "competitive" team (ie. .500 ballclub that's eliminated in September annually). Maybe he gets the same phone calls Dick Williams and Billy Martin used to get from their owners telling him what kind of team to put together.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 6, 2007 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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if not, why in the fuck would anyone want either?
by bacci40 on Jun 6, 2007 7:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Evans is with the Mariners.
by jponry on Jun 6, 2007 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Successful in their new jobs
by Moggeee on Jun 6, 2007 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
One of the reasons people lose their jobs and aren't rehired is that others aren't able to recognize how good they are. Do you really think the leadership at the top of MLB isn't pretty shaky in many instances?
by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Jun 6, 2007 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jun 6, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
by sfgfan on Jun 6, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
- First thing I do, is go to Harmon Burns' widow, the majority owner of the Giants ( Magowan is merely the managing partner, and NOT the majority owner) and tell her to put duct tape over Peter's mouth and take away his checkbook, laptop, and baseball cards, and relegate him to keeping a civil tongue on the boots of the city fathers-mothers-indeterminates so we can do our thing without the usual political hassles from the idiots who run the city government. Also I get to throw Larry Baer into the cove as payback for being a high-school ratfink.
- Next thing I do, is hire Kim Ng away from LA and make her the face of Giants management leaving me to do my assassin...er uhm reconstruction of the front office and minor league system behind the scenes
- Give my Manager and coaching staff and 25 man roster a public ultimatum. Over .500 AND in first place at the All Star Break or its adios motherfuckers. Only 3 players will be untouchable. Cain and Lincecum and Bonds.
- Call out Sandy Alderson (who was the A's GM when steroids were introduced into that clubhouse in the 80s) Bud Selig, George Mitchell, George Bush and the rest of the Federal Government. And tell them they have 72 hours to put up or shut up. Enough is enough. I blow the whistle on all the owners, including W when he owned the Rangers, and tell them to take their fucking All Star game elsewhere as I don't want a bunch of hypocritical cocksuckers exploiting my fans, my stadium and my players for their personal agendas
- Get rid of the pukes who are ruining our prospects in the minor league system. They've been meddling and ruining high school and college prospects for 20 years now. Ergo we have Feliz and Frandsen as our showcases and I'm willing to bet that somebody pulled strings for Frandsen to escape the cookie-cutter "Giants Hitting System". Tom Emanski would have been better than the assholes ruining prospects in the Giants system. You can't blame bad drafting for everything. There is just too big a gap between Giants minor league pitching and Giants minor league hitting.
- My House. Party till we Puke.
by E Ticket on Jun 6, 2007 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
Also, being in first place by the All-Star game isn't a very realistic goal. Not that the Giants can't make up their deficit in that time (although it would be tall order). But that the Giants have a large deficit to THREE teams.
They could possibly overcome all three -- but not likely that quickly.
by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What is the affinity of Kim Ng?
by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kim Ng
by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Why didn't the Dodgers promote her?
by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: why isn't she LA GM?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't it the Dodgers who broke the color barrier?
I want a GM who stresses the fundamentals, believes in strong defense up the middle and does not shy away from youth.
by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: wasn't it the Dodgers who broke the color barr
by groug on Jun 6, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: wasn't it the Dodgers who broke the color barr
by Roger on Jun 6, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quota?
by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Quota?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Quota?
by E Ticket on Jun 6, 2007 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: why isn't she LA GM?
by E Ticket on Jun 6, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: why isn't she LA GM?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rich, and the Super Rich
Would that be a Cotton Plantation, or a Mendo Plantation?
by Moggeee on Jun 6, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: me likey that slave money
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
I think Cashman may be out of a job soon. I'd take another failed Yankees front office guy as the next Giants GM. Why not?
by milesntrane on Jun 6, 2007 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by milesntrane on Jun 6, 2007 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
"Grant"
Nothin'. Very disappointed in all of you.
by Grant on Jun 6, 2007 11:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?
First, I can hardly believe that the Examiner is still around, even if it is free and owned by the Fang family (is it still?).
Second, is there a single person here that doesn't think that Grant deserves that job more than Dickey? More than Jenkins at the Chronicle?
I sure hope so, because sadly, that isn't even enough praise for Grant.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 7, 2007 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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