Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

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Come on, he made dog shit out of the Dodgers. And that takes some doin'

by allfrank on Jun 5, 2007 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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no he didn't, he had one bad trade(LoDuca) but stockpiled their farm system for huge success.

Fortunately for us, Colletti is a dumbass and has blocked many of their young players.

DePo would be a fantastic GM.

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 5, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Even the LoDuca trade wasn't that bad.

I mean, Brad Penny seems to be pretty good right now.

Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jun 5, 2007 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I was going to write what groug did, but he beat me to it. Other than Penny, Hee Seop had some good power potential but was put in inconsistently, so it's hard to tell what would've developed.

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by Natto on Jun 5, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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no i agree, what i meant to say was that he was run out of town for a downright decent trade.

I think he'd be great.

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 5, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

DePo carries around a letter of recommendation

The former Dodger GM has an endorsement straight from the fountainhead: Billy Beane says DePodesta is made of the right stuff.

by Moggeee on Jun 5, 2007 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stockpiled?

DePo did not stockpile the Dodgers farm system. That was Dan Evans who got a raw deal when he was replaced by DePo. I think DePo might be an upgrade over Sabean, but DePo has personality issues that you can't ignore in a job like this. My first choice would be Dan Evans with Kim Ng #2. Scouting Directors don't always make good GM's so I'm not wild about Logan White. We need a GM who hires someone like Logan White as their scouting director.

Having said all that, if we haven't already fired Sabean, I'd keep him around as he finally seems to be heading in the right direction.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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It seems to me that the whole Benitez press conference blow up was an indirect shot at Magowan (because who else could force him to make a deal he didn't want to make because of fan pressure) and as we've learned from previous episodes of this game with Dusty and Kent, nobody wins a pissing contest with Magowan. I don't believe a World Series victory would change things at this point. Sabes will walk/be shoved out the door at year's end.

I'd also argue against the idea that he's got things headed in the right direction. I see absolutely no evidence of that. A starting pitcher or two doesn't a team make (particularly when one of them hits the 100 pitch mark at about 3.1 innings every time out).

You know this of course but Sabean came to the GM's office from scouting director. I don't know if that argues against your point our supports it.

by Roger on Jun 6, 2007 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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DrB, I thought Logan White was the genius behind the Dodgers' good drafts. Was it actually Evans?

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by Lyle on Jun 6, 2007 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Logan White Genius

Yes, Logan White is the LA's Scouting Director and has done a genius level job. It was Dan Evans who put him in that position and then protected his acquisitions to the point of it costing him his job. Don't know if Evans could hire White away from LA or find another Logan White, but he did a heckuva job finding and supporting White in LA.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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of course, whenever i hear dan evans i think kevin brown contract. though i totally totally agree he got a raw deal. but the good news is the dodgers owners are idiots and i think they could really do a good job hurting that team for us.

by SFfaninNYC on Jun 6, 2007 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kevin Brown

I don't think that was Dan Evans. That was Kevin "Dodger Boy" Malone. Malone signed a whole bunch of stupid contract including Brown, Park, Dreifort. Evans did a lot to clean that up. In fact, it was Evans who managed to dump Brown onto the Yankees. Unfortunately, there was so much going on with the Dodgers in those years, Evans gets the blame if some people's minds, but it was Evans who cleaned up Malone's mess, and along with Logan White, rebuilt their farm system in just 2 years. The LA press got down on Evans for refusing to trade his prospects for vets.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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VERY good point about Evans,Doc. I remember reading a column in the summer of 2001 written by my friend Josh Adande in the LA Times about Dan. His column was very complimentary to Evans.

So, yeah, I second your recommendation of Dan Evans. I know that Kim Ng is also highly thought of, but I don't personally know enough about here to be sure.

But I would be happy with EITHER Evans or DePo -- neither of whom got their just credit with the Dodgers.

I actually thought Ned Colletti might be the better of the twosome of him and Brian Sabean. He probably is, but more because Brian isn't as good as I once thought he was than because of brilliant moves made by Colletti.

Colletti actually benefitted from Evans' prospects and from DePodesta's salary cutting -- which enabled Ned to have lots of buck to spend when he took over.

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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But his team beat our team for a playoff spot in his first year. The very next year they were killed by injuries. I'd rather have DePo than Colletti.

Who's available? I'm hoping Larry Beinfest gets tired of Loria in Florida and comes out West.

Good news: Brian Sabean has left us in position to be in contention by the next century, at least.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 5, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Good call on Beinfest.

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by Kitspool on Jun 6, 2007 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Well, you're certainly all frank, AllFrank, but not necessarily correct.

Paul DePodesta was the GM of the Dodgers two seasons, winning the NL West the first season, then missing the playoffs his second season as -- in the words of McDonalds -- gynormous injuries kept the SoCal-ers out.

The two mistakes people make when they take the simplistic approach you took is that they ignore (or at least devalue) the injuries (rivaling those of the Giants, including the big one to Barry Bonds) and likely aren't aware that DePo cut the Dodgers payroll by $25 million over those two seasons.

The proper response here would be "Oh. I didn't realize that."

by sharksrog on Jun 5, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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To be honest, and I admit it's a pretty conservative opinion with less upside than I'd ideally want, I'd kind of like to see Sabean back at least in '08. I think for the first time in almost five years he's started to get a pretty darn good thing going, and I'd like to give him a chance to follow up on it. We all know how good Sabes can be when he's got a good thing going.

Anyway, that's my opinion. I'm more thn happy to cut bait after '08 if he blows what's a mostly promising early rebuild, but right now it looks like he has a plan to me, and that the plan is a solid one.

If Sabean goes, though, I'd rather gamble on somebody exciting with an eye for the farm. I don't kno who those people are, but I'm sure over the course of the next year or so I'll find out.

And come the deadline, Sabean could seriously change my mind about this whole keeping him insanity. If he sticks to what I percieve to be his rebuilding plan, I'll support the man. If not, off with his head.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2007 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I can more or less clarify what I mean by "what I percieve to be his plan" if anybody wants me to when my head is clear in the morning, but right now I'm too loss-frazzled to care to explain. I think most of you kind of know what I mean, anyway, even if you don't agree in the slightest.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Howie, howie; ain't we learned you nuthin'?

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle on Jun 6, 2007 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I would also like to see Brian back in 2008. Back, back, back, back, WAY back. And outta here!

It is possible the Giants under Sabean not only won't make the playoffs in any of three seasons, but that they won't even achieve .500 in any of those campaigns.

But the real damage has been from within. Aside from recently demoted Jonathan Sanchez and 16-year-old Angel Villalona, the Giants minor-league cupboard is rather empty.

As has been mentioned here before by several posters, in his now 11-year tenure, Brian has yet to draft and develop a single position player who is above-average.

In business, one of the biggest and most apt criticisms is that companies focus on short-term results at the cost of long-term development. Sound like any baseball team you know?

by sharksrog on Jun 5, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I agree, Sabean has done more than enough damage from within to more than warrant his departure at seasons end. Where I disagree is the idea that nothing has changed. For 11 years, Brian Sabean had a pretty successful organizational philosophy that valued developing pitchers and signing veterans over anything else with almost no emphasis on developing batters. The last three years have forced what I perceive (in soe ways, hope) to be a very recent turning point in this philosophy.

But for most of those 11 years, he was in a position that allowed the old philosophy to be successful. Barry Bonds + magically resurrected retreads <past tense>=</pt> winning teams. Now, it doesn't, and I'm seeing things that tell me that as of the end of 2006 he sincerely understands that.

He's doing things that he had more or less sworn off of doing. He scouted the caribbean again. He dealt with Boras on more than one occassion. Rather than signing extensions to veterans, he signed stopgap contracts to cover development years and bring in draft pics as free agents (and, hopefully, to trade for young talent). He stockpiled draftpicks like a madman. He allowed system players to have regular playing time (Frandsen, Lewis, Ortmeier, Linden, Alfonzo/Niekro-sort-of - he even planned for Linden and Frandsen).

That's a lot of stuff that he hasn't done while he's been here, at least not to the levels that he is doing this year.

The evaluation for the year remains to be seen. Like I said, he can chnge my mind in a major way. but if we pass the trade deadline with 1) NOT giving up significant minor league or pitching talent and 2) possibly getting some young talent in return for a guy like Roberts, Durham, Vizquel, Aurilia, Feliz, or Morris, then I will be nearly convinced that my perception of his plan is right and that he has a good plan worth keeping. The other part of the evaluation has to be the draft. IMO, whether it is with our top few picks or not we NEED to draft legitimate hitting prospects, and multiple at that.

If those two things happen the way I think they will (the trade deadline and the draft), then I believe that Sabean has in fact rebuilt his philosophy and has a good plan worth following up on in 2008.

If they don't happen the way that I think they will, then there is a very good chance that my mind will be significantly swayed.

I'd also lie to see some decent hitting coaches, please. That would be a cherry on top.

We'll see. This is my opinion as of today, to give it time. If I'm right, then he's worth a chance in '08. If I'm wrong, then he's clearly not. But we won't know until at least sometime in July.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Right. And, let's not forget that we were all spoiled by one Barry Bonds and his historic run.

by Kent on Jun 6, 2007 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Helluva post

As good a Sabes defense as I can imagine. Now if only he'd actually made good trades since getting Jason Schmidt in 2001.

by achiappanza on Jun 6, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Great post. As much as I'd like to see a new GM, if he does those things you say (in the draft and at the trade deadline), I'd be a lot more interested in keeping him around another year.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 6, 2007 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I second this!

by giantsrainman on Jun 5, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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You have my vote, howtheyscored. I'd be more than happy to see Sabean back to continue with the "contend while rebuilding" philosophy. I am so impressed with the young arms this club has that I'm ready to give Sabean a vote of confidence. It has been sooo long since I've had no major reservations about our starting rotation that I don't know what to do with my grumpy old self. The young age and talent level of our pitching staff is next to unbelievable. I'm not sure why Sabean doesn't get the credit he deserves for this feat from most posters, but he does in my book.

I also want to say DePodesta is that LAST person I want to see take over the GM position. He proved he is incompetent and had all of the Dodger organization in chaos. Why would we want that here? Because he is a Billy Beane disciple? Nah! If we have to replace Sabean, and can pick anyone we want, I want Ned Colletti back. Not going to happen, I know.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I wouldn't exactly call the last few seasons "contending" while doing much of anything.

The starting rotation is pretty good for now. Let's hope the young guys continue to develop and Zito doesn't get injured or lose his command while the team is figuring out how to get good young hitters and a reliable bullpen to go with it.

Plenty of people give Sabean credit for drafting good pitchers. It's his trades, free-agent signings, and inability or unwillingness to draft and develop good hitters that are the problem.

Ned Colletti has made an absolute hash of the Dodgers organization - I'm happy about that, of course, but he - not DePodesta - should be the "LAST" person to fill Sabean's shoes, if and when he leaves.

DePodesta trimmed payroll, kept the Dodgers competitive, and got their farm system in good working order before he got fired - thanks in no small part to the unceasing vitriol poured forth on him by Bill Plashke, who has to be Bruce Jenkins only real competition for the coveted title of "Worst Sportswriter on the West Coast." DePodesta may or may not be the best candidate available, but he's worlds better than Colletti and Giants fans should say a little prayer of thanks to the baseball gods that the Dodgers threw him under a bus just when he'd laid the groundwork for their success.

by Mel Ott on Jun 6, 2007 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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If you build a team around a superstar like Bonds and that guy goes down, then it's no mystery why the game plan doesn't work. It did for the first nine years of Sabean's tenure and didn't when Bonds couldn't play or couldn't play up to his standards. The last two years are a function of bad luck more than they are a failure of Sabean's plan. You can say a plan should have backup plans if the superstar goes down, but there is no way to adequately compensate for the loss of Bonds.

We have very, very different views on DePodesta and Colletti. Ned's leading a team into contention every year, while DePodesta showed he didn't know how to lead anything. Keep the latter as far away from the Giants as possible.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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"We have very, very different views on DePodesta and Colletti. Ned's leading a team into contention every year, while DePodesta showed he didn't know how to lead anything. Keep the latter as far away from the Giants as possible."

Yikes, we've enterted Bizarro world.

by marcello on Jun 6, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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It's called reality. Welcome to it.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Ned "Flanders" Colletti just got to LA, and his "contribution" to their success so far has included what?

Signing Juan Pierre and his 64 OPS+

Signing Luis Gonzalez, who has a 114 OPS+ - not bad at all - but crap defense and a Johnny Damon arm

Signing Jason Schmidt, who is clearly breaking down, has contributed very little to the Dodgers this year, and won't be a big part of their future.

Meanwhile, Neddie already had better in-house options, is simply sitting on his minor-league talent, and can't decide whether top prospect LaRoche, quality prospect Betemit, or less-talented Tony Abreu should play 3B. Plus, all the talent was already there in the organization before he showed up.

So how, exactly, is Colletti setting the Dodgers up to compete for years to come?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Well, once they fire him...

by Aadik on Jun 6, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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See, here in the reality based world we take things like "wins" into account when evaluating GMs. It's a novel concept I know.

So far, Colletti has done pretty well. The Dodgers having made it to the playoffs in his one year of service, as opposed to 71-91 record the year before. Now, it is fair to ask what did he do to help or hinder his team in that one year. The answer is he did quite a lot to help. He acquired Furcal, Garciaparra, Saito, Ethier, Betemit, Anderson, Maddux, and Lofton - among others. He did so without giving up much in the way of the Dodgers' future. Furcal, Garciaparra, and Saito turned out to be major plusses for the Dodgers and the others have helped. He also gave them a competent manager and stability in the Front Office. I think it is clear that without the moves Colletti made prior to the 2006 season the Dodgers don't make the playoffs.

Prior to this season, he signed, in addition to the players you named, Randy Wolf and Lieberthal both who have been helpful -especially Wolf. Of the players you have named, Gonzalez was a low risk gamble that has paid off. Schmidt still has the opportunity, I'm sorry to say, to pay off in a big way. Only Pierre seems to me to be a bad signing.

What you have is a GM who is willing to go out and get players to help his team win and is not afraid to make a mistake once in a while to do so. As I said he has also continued to stockpile young talent in the minors that look to help the team in the future. So what is your complaint? If I was a Dodger fan I wouldn't have many.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I wouldn't be complaining if I were a Dodger fan either, but Garciaparra is terrible this year, Lieberthal is terrible this year, Juan Pierre is terrible this year, Tomko is terrible this year...

I am not saying that Colletti has wrecked the franchise or done a particularly poor job, because it is really too early to tell. Basically, though, Colletti inherited a team that already had a lot of talent, patched a couple holes, and got to watch the results. And some of his moves have very little to do with the Dodgers' future success, unless you want to give him credit, and it seems that you do, for not trading away all of the valuable talent out of their system (even though they don't get to play).

Also, your shit about "reality" and wins? Hey, guess what? You're a dick, and not a very smart one! Congratulations.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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And one man's "stockpiling talent" is another man's "sitting on prospects."

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle on Jun 6, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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"Also, your shit about 'reality' and wins? Hey, guess what? You're a dick, and not a very smart one! Congratulations."

Impressive. Logic like this wins you a lot of arguments, does it?

You're missing the point. Colletti patched a lot of holes - not a few - and stopped the chaos in the front office. Especially the feuding between the manager and the general manager. He gave the Dodgers a shot at the division with his moves and they won the Wild Card because of it. As a result the Dodgers entered this season as the odds on favorite to win the division and they haven't shown that those expectations were unfounded - at least so far. That's doing a very good job in the short time he has been around. I'm not asking anyone to consider him for the Hall of Fame, but his performance and his team's performance under him is a much, much better than his predecessor.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Impressive. Logic like this wins you a lot of arguments, does it?

Does prefacing your arguments with crap like you posted win you a lot of arguments? You can't throw out shit lines like that and expect them to go unanswered.

That's doing a very good job in the short time he has been around. I'm not asking anyone to consider him for the Hall of Fame, but his performance and his team's performance under him is a much, much better than his predecessor.

That is fine, and a perfectly reasonable assessment. You are, perhaps, giving Colletti a little too much credit for undoing the chaos in the front office - after all, the owner fired the old GM. At any rate, I don't think that Colletti has ruined the Dodgers (unfortunately). I do think that it is too early to tell what will happen with the Dodgers. Will Colletti start trading the young talent that they have so far been unwilling to play? What will he get in return? Will he keep signing guys like Juan Pierre to block the talent they have?

There are a lot of questions, and we are going to have to wait for the answers.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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North Side, I don't disagree with your assertion that the jury is still out on Colletti. There is just too little time to fairly judge. What can be said, and what I've tried to say is that he has done a good job so far, and he has done a better job that his predecessor (DePodesta) who was responsible for a mess.

Your point about the owner firing the old GM is obviously valid, but that's not what I was trying to say. Colletti hired a manager and works well with his manager, instead of undercutting him.

Lastly, I'm not the one calling names here. I posted my response about "reality" directed to someone who wanted to make cheap shots about a "bizarro" world and ran away. You seemed to endorse his cheap shot and I, perhaps not in the nicest tone, called your attention to the importance of wins in evaluating the performance of GMs. Obviously, you took it as something horrible and went way over the line. You want to have a civil discussion, I'm all for it. If so, stop with name calling, and we can proceed.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I responded directly to your post. If you intended to respond to marcello's comment, then respond to his post or at least note that your phrase was a response to his comment.

I will respond to arguments with arguments. You could have said "Wins are important when evaluating GMs," but you said "See, here in the reality based world we take things like "wins" into account when evaluating GMs. It's a novel concept I know." "Horrible?" No. A shot that I won't let you get away with? Yes. I was just less subtle.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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If you didn't endorse the "bizarro" world comments then you should have responded to my previous post instead of my response to marcello. As such I took it for part and parcel of a cheap shot.

"Less subtle" doesn't cover it by half. On most boards what you did would get you banned. Nevermind, if you want to continue this in a civil manner, I'm game.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Sayhey, I responded with actual evidence, and I didn't make the comment. Next time, if you want to take that shot, take it directly to the person who made the original comment. I don't need you to justify what you said, and I don't need to watch you try to take the high ground by now claiming that you will continue "in a civil manner." You seem to have been civil in the past, and I expect that this will be an isolated episode.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Am I to take this as an apology for calling me a "dick" and not too intelligent? If so, I'm not seeing it.

I am civil to people who don't call me names. I hope your doing so is an "isolated episode."

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Of course it isn't an apology.

This has gotten really tedious. It appears that neither of us are going to respond well to nasty comments or names. Fine. May the civility continue.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Ran away? Please, I had things to do, sorry I wasn't patiently waiting for your reply. The fact is, your premise that DePodesta left the Dodgers in a mess is just not true. If you don't believe that, and do believe that Colletti is leading this team in the right direction, there is no point trying to argue with you. You are too far on the other end of the spectrum.

by marcello on Jun 6, 2007 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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If you think a discussion of the facts of the case can't lead to anything interesting because we don't start out agreeing with one another, then perhaps you're right.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey dood, in reality, Lieberthal sucks

Lieberthal has been helpful? All the other names you spouted off in the opening have been helpful? Care to quantify what this word means in reality?

Cause in my reality Lieberthal has a line of .239/.286/.269 in 26 AB. He actually has a WPA of -.25, so he's actually been the opposite of helpful.

"What you have is a GM who is willing to go out and get players to help his team win"

Yup, help has to mean signing veterans to long term contracts and block/wreck your top prospects for the future. Hey, that sounds like another helpful GM I know...

By your definition it seems pretty much everyone is helpful. Hey , Pedro Feliz is helpful because he plays baseball! Armando Benitez, really helpful!

But please, feel free to continuing being a condescending moran to us other posters. It really is so helpful to us all.

by awesomer on Jun 6, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: hey dood, in reality, Lieberthal sucks

Lieberthal is a veteran catcher who is fine in the role he plays as backup to Martin. Martin is one of the most exciting young catchers in the game - even if he is a Dodger. As such he is going to play most of the games, and Lieberthal fits the Dodgers need for the few games Martin sits out. He is blocking no one.

Most of the contracts Colletti has signed veterans to are not long term and don't block young talent if they are ready. The longest contract he has signed someone to, I believe, is Furcal and he is no greybeard. Players like Lofton and Gonzalez are signed to short term deals and if some young player shows he can play better it looks to me the Dodgers are willing to hand the job to them.

awesomer, you might have a point if (1) the Dodgers were playing poorly - they aren't, or (2) poorly playing veteran players were being played over youngsters who have shown they are ready for the job - again they aren't. As such your argument is more of ideological rant against GMs signing older players. The point should be whether the signings work. With the Dodgers' record over the last year and a half, it is fair to say Colletti's plan is working so far.

Also, I don't treat anyone with disrespect on these boards who doesn't first attack me with snide remarks because I don't adopt a philosophy that is in vogue among many posters. When I get comments like I did about a "bizarro" world and others I've received from posters like you, then I'll respond. I don't find name calling is conducive to discussion, but I won't ignore insults from people who want to pull the posts into schoolyard bullying type taunts. Fair enough?

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds fair to me

I don't personally think bizzaro world means much more than a seinfeld reference but if that did offend you then you're entitled. I do think there's a bit much animosity on here sometimes, but things just usually flow better when its civil.

The contract I was referring to mainly was Pierre's. 44 mil for years is actually a better deal, the 44 for 5 years they did give him is beyond ridiculous especially when Matt Kemp is already the better player and makes the minimum.

Furcal's contract is actually pretty good considering as its only 3 years and their lack of SS depth meditated him.

I think Loney already proved himself last year and in Spring Training but Nomar definitely is blocking him. That he signed nomar for 2 years for nearly 20 mil with a no trade clause is a pretty terrible deal in my opinion. I doubt teams were beating down the door for him this offseason.

While the Gonzo signing was low risk 1 year deal, you still are blocking Kemp and/or Loney from playing, who as far as most projections see it, better players and make the minimum.

And calling up LaRoche to sit on the bench is pretty much inexcusable, not sure if Little or Coletti is more at fault here but to have a top 25 prospect just wasting on a ML bench in favor of Tony Abreu is stupid (this is partially my fantasy team talking, the Giants fans should be thrilled about it)

These are my main points with Coletti, but to each their own.

by awesomer on Jun 6, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Sounds fair to me

I agree with you about Pierre. I've never like his game, and I think Colletti made a mistake signing him.

I don't, however, think the two-year contract to Garciaparra was a mistake, especially considering his performance last year. It isn't a long term commitment, and Nomar's stats this year are too small a sample to think a player of his proven capabilities is washed up. Unfortunately, I think he will be much closer to last years stats by year's end. Loney on the bench or in the minors for one or two more years isn't the worst thing in the world (if the mess at third continues Nomar could move there and open first for Loney.)

Now, if I'm the manager or GM, I'm all for playing whoever is hottest. Gonzo has been playing well and he is getting the playing time, but I don't see that as blocking Kemp or anyone else. They have to play better and take the job away. Same with LaRoche.

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: hey dood, in reality, Lieberthal sucks

I'm curious - is there a cliche you haven't hit? He's a "proven veteran", who "knows how to win", and "comes through in the clutch." Does he also "know how to win" and "gives 110%" through his "gritty" demeanor?

by Aadik on Jun 6, 2007 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: hey dood, in reality, Lieberthal sucks

Ummm ... I've used none of these phrases. Are you reading another thread?

by Sayhey on Jun 6, 2007 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

If Luis Gonzalez has one of Johnny Damon's arms, does that make Johnny MLB's third-ever one-armed player? When he retires, will he become a paper hanger?

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I, too, agree with this. I would like to see Sabean back for at least next year. That could change one way or the other depending on how the draft goes this year. If he drafts a couple of players who can make an impact in a year or two, then I'm all for letting him ride that out.

I mentioned this somewhere yesturday, but perhaps he does have a plan? He's solidified one of the harder aspects of a team to solidify, and that is the starting rotation. He drafted for future middle infield depth and some speed last year. Perhaps this year he'll look at bigger bats that the team desperately needs.

If the team is fortunate enough to have this year's bats come up with last year's speed in two years or so, there will be a two or three year window where there is Cain, Lincecum and possibly Lowry and Sanchez in the rotation. That has potential "awesome" all over it.

by sfgfan on Jun 6, 2007 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

While if a guy has overcome his deficiencies of the past, I don't think they are a reason to get rid of him, I'm not entirely sure that Brian has fully done so.

And that he was so slow to learn makes him questionable IMO.

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I wouldn't mind DePo, or David Forst, or maybe try to steal Kevin Towers.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 5, 2007 10:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Towers seems kind of stingy. He knows how to assemble a great pen but imagine how crappy the Padres would be if they hadn't fleeced the Rangers and gotten Young and Gonzalez for practically nothing.

by giants92388 on Jun 5, 2007 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Well, he must deserve some credit for owning the Rangers GM so badly.

He's built a solid team... another great trade was Xavier Nady for Mike Cameron.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 5, 2007 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Dude: Doug Mirabelli for Cla Meredith and Josh Bard. End of discussion. Kevin Towers for World Bank President.

Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on Jun 5, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

And don't forget Josh Bard and Cla Meredith for Doug Mirabelli (who they had just acquired, but knew the Red Sox desperately needed a catcher capable of fielding Wakefield's knuckleball). Oh, and Clay Hensley for Matt Herges. They drafted/developed Khalil, Barfield, and Peavy.

But I think the question around these transactions are how much is Kevin Towers and how much is Sandy Alderson, because guys like Josh Bard and Adrian Gonzalez were Moneyball style players?
I'm curious with this organization as well--how much is Brian Sabean's doing, and how much is ownership involved?

by LittleCableCars on Jun 5, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I hope Ownership's involvement is minimal, as it would mean a change in GM wouldn't do much to change the team's fortune in the future.

Good news: Brian Sabean has left us in position to be in contention by the next century, at least.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 5, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

exactly. Is some new GM going to come in and NOT have the same win-now constraints imposed by ownership? Given those restrains, I actually, Sabean has done a good job the last couple of seasons.

Never tell me the odds.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 6, 2007 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

The last couple of seasons Brian Sabean has done everything required of a win-now philosophy except win now.

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I dont know if he is fit to be a GM, but I BADLY want to steal Dodgers Scouting Director Logan White. He is the mastermind behind their drafts and I typically always love the guys he drafts. They take high ceiling guys and they have developed some homegrown talent.

Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark on Jun 5, 2007 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Yep, that's what I was gonna say. If you like the Dodgers farm system -- and I do -- Logan White would be a great pickup for us.

by Roger on Jun 6, 2007 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Ah, I hadn't read this far when I posted above. Logan White, absolutely!

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle on Jun 6, 2007 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Stealing Logan White from the Dodgers might be the best idea YET! Not only would it help the Giants greatly in what has been their weakest area, it would damage the Dodgers a bit.

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Me?

*If you Lince him, he will come*

by smirnoff on Jun 5, 2007 11:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

If I were you, I would want you as the Giants GM too. If I were anyone else, probably not. :)

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

My dream candidate is Mark Shapiro out of Cleveland, but he's not going to leave that gig to come to SF. His assistant, Chris Antonneli looks promising, as does someone like David Frost or Mike Rizzo.

by Aadik on Jun 5, 2007 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

yeah and maybe shapiro can bring sizemore out to SF like he did to cleveland

*If you Lince him, he will come*

by smirnoff on Jun 5, 2007 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Antonelli just signed an extension a few weeks ago

Cleveland knew what they had on their hands and took care of it, so that probably isn't an option.

by awesomer on Jun 6, 2007 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Antonelli just signed an extension a few weeks

So he couldn't get out of it for a promotion with another club? Isn't that normally how things work?

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jun 11, 2007 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about Ellis Burks?

May be premature, but he's been working with Shapiro for a couple of season, and has a Giants connection as a former player.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on Jun 6, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

The Dodgers, Padres, and Indians are brimming with front-office talent, there's got to be some good candidates from within those systems who'd jump ship for a chance to run the helm.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 5, 2007 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Straight up trade: Cashman for Sabean.

Barring that, DePo.

Barring that, steal someone from the Indians.

Barring that, try to lure Sandy Alderson away from President of the the Pad People duties.

Barring that... um... bring me Kim Ng and hire Peter Gammons as assistant GM.

David Arnott
Sportszilla -- Kickass Sports Writing
Adopted EME

by David Arnott on Jun 6, 2007 1:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Cashman is an interesting choice. Odds are he's getting fired at the end of the year. He's clearly not getting a chance to spread his wings in the Yankee organization. He started the long-overdue rebuild of that aged and decrepit roster, but he won't get the chance to finish. I'd be willing to give him an interview, at least.

by Skaldheim on Jun 6, 2007 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

How about Eric Kubota, the scouting dude for the A's?

DePodesta= no. I didn't see moneyball at work in LA during his short time there, I saw some fat cash thrown around. Worse, the whole get-a-fat-guy-to-take-pitches mentality I think will not work well in Mays Field where there's a ton of ground to cover in the OF and plenty of room to bash doubles and triples and run a lot.

As for Sabes, I think last night's game said a lot. I remember getting tickets to an AZ-SF game for $8 each a couple years ago, and being very lonely at Mays Field. They were a 100-loss team fielding a bunch of kids and spare parts. Ditto for the Rockies. Now both field respectable lineups, young and interesting with some "veteran savvy" here and there.

The Giants field a lineup like that now, but the kids are not necessarily as good as those that have developed in AZ and CO in part because there hasn't been three years of sifting through kids and spare parts to find the lineup. Which is too bad, because the starting pitching the Giants have assembled is in general a lot better than that in AZ and CO.

Also, I don't think that strategy is intentional on the part of Sabean and co, it's been forced on them by injuries to the Over the Hill Gang. I'll buy the arguments here that Sabean has "gotten the message" when Klesko, Aurilia, and the other short-timers start sitting regularly or are, better yet, shipped out for some future. Don't trust anyone over 30, Brian.

Finally, I find it interesting (1) that when baseball teams struggle, the first person dumped is the manager, and not the GM (think of what could have happened during the Alou period if one of the guys mentioned in this thread had replaced Sabean instead) and (2) that we are blaming Sabean for everything. It's entirely possible that every year he has a meeting with the ownership who tell him how much he has to spend and how important it is to fill the ballpark and field a "competitive" team (ie. .500 ballclub that's eliminated in September annually). Maybe he gets the same phone calls Dick Williams and Billy Martin used to get from their owners telling him what kind of team to put together.

BB

All those Giants fans down in Giants land love that Crazy Crab!

by BlackDougal on Jun 6, 2007 6:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

E has consistently made the point that Magowan's influence on the GM's decisions can't be underestimated, and I agree. This year's roster decisions seem particularly Magowan-ish: throw tons of cash at Pierre! Wait, Matthews! Um, okay, Bonds! Now here's $10 for the rest of the offense, Sabes. We'll never really know for sure, but I think Magowan deserves some of the heat that Sabean is taking this month.

by Skaldheim on Jun 6, 2007 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

If you think Moneyball is, "get-a-fat-guy-to-take-pitches", you have a lot to learn. Look at the big time acquisitions under Depo: Bradley, Drew, Penny. Athletic, patient hitters and an underrated pitcher. Moneyball is about finding the innefficiencies in the market and exploiting them. Depo did a fantastic job and was run out of town by that asshat Plaschke (sp?).

by marcello on Jun 6, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I'm not too happy with Bill Plashke. I'm a Josh Adande guy.

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Your comment about Paul DePodesta throwing cash around is dead wrong. In his two seasons as GM -- one of which saw the Dodgers winning the NL West, one of which saw them suffering horrendous injuries -- the Dodgers cut their payroll by about $25 million per season.

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Chris Antonelli and Kim Ng would both be EXCELLENT picks.

Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Jun 6, 2007 6:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

If I'm taking anyone from the Dodger organization it's Ms. Ng. She tops my wish list as the new Giants GM anyway.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 6, 2007 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

are depo or evans even still in baseball?

if not, why in the fuck would anyone want either?

by bacci40 on Jun 6, 2007 7:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Depo is with the Padres.
Evans is with the Mariners.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 6, 2007 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Successful in their new jobs

Both have reported handsome increases in peanut sales.

by Moggeee on Jun 6, 2007 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I understand your point. But Ted Nolan was out of the NHL for a DECADE, yet he returned to do a nice job of coaching on the island this year.

One of the reasons people lose their jobs and aren't rehired is that others aren't able to recognize how good they are. Do you really think the leadership at the top of MLB isn't pretty shaky in many instances?

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Anyone who is not now nor has ever been a baseball GM.

by zenbitz on Jun 6, 2007 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Mike Nolan.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jun 6, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

With Scott McCloughan as his assistant GM.

by sfgfan on Jun 6, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

Me. And here is why:

First thing I do, is go to Harmon Burns' widow, the majority owner of the Giants ( Magowan is merely the managing partner, and NOT the majority owner) and tell her to put duct tape over Peter's mouth and take away his checkbook, laptop, and baseball cards, and relegate him to keeping a civil tongue on the boots of the city fathers-mothers-indeterminates so we can do our thing without the usual political hassles from the idiots who run the city government. Also I get to throw Larry Baer into the cove as payback for being a high-school ratfink.
Next thing I do, is hire Kim Ng away from LA and make her the face of Giants management leaving me to do my assassin...er uhm reconstruction of the front office and minor league system behind the scenes
Give my Manager and coaching staff and 25 man roster a public ultimatum. Over .500 AND in first place at the All Star Break or its adios motherfuckers. Only 3 players will be untouchable. Cain and Lincecum and Bonds.
Call out Sandy Alderson (who was the A's GM when steroids were introduced into that clubhouse in the 80s) Bud Selig, George Mitchell, George Bush and the rest of the Federal Government. And tell them they have 72 hours to put up or shut up. Enough is enough. I blow the whistle on all the owners, including W when he owned the Rangers, and tell them to take their fucking All Star game elsewhere as I don't want a bunch of hypocritical cocksuckers exploiting my fans, my stadium and my players for their personal agendas
Get rid of the pukes who are ruining our prospects in the minor league system. They've been meddling and ruining high school and college prospects for 20 years now. Ergo we have Feliz and Frandsen as our showcases and I'm willing to bet that somebody pulled strings for Frandsen to escape the cookie-cutter "Giants Hitting System". Tom Emanski would have been better than the assholes ruining prospects in the Giants system. You can't blame bad drafting for everything. There is just too big a gap between Giants minor league pitching and Giants minor league hitting.
My House. Party till we Puke.

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Jun 6, 2007 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I like your ideas here, but if I were going to break up the Giants, I certainly wouldn't be beholden to Bonds.

Also, being in first place by the All-Star game isn't a very realistic goal. Not that the Giants can't make up their deficit in that time (although it would be tall order). But that the Giants have a large deficit to THREE teams.

They could possibly overcome all three -- but not likely that quickly.

by sharksrog on Jun 6, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What is the affinity of Kim Ng?

Is she going to light cigars or help fill a quota? If you are hiring out of LA why not check out the Evans, Claires and Collettis?

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Kim Ng

Dan Evans, Yes. Claire and Colletti, no! Kim Ng is a Dan Evans protoge who has stayed on the the Dodger organization assisting DePo and then Colletti. She is reputed to be extremely intelligent and a tough, but smart negotiator. In interviews she has said her philosophy favors building through scouting, the draft, and the farm system. Yes, she would be the first woman GM, but it would not be to light cigars or be a token.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why didn't the Dodgers promote her?

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Why didn't the Dodgers promote her?

Heck if I know. Why did they fire Dan Evans? Why did they fire DePo? Fat Tommy seemed to be calling the shots when the DePo firing went down. DePo was just to unconventional for Tommy to handle. He didn't like that DePo was shaking up and bypassing the old crony network. I imagine, coming on the heels of the DePo experiment, hiring a Korean-American woman might have just been too much for Fat Tommy to handle. Also, she is still quite young, but now has the added experience of working under 3 different GM's. Hiring a woman, let alone a woman of asian heritage, as GM of a major league baseball team is no small step. It will take some courage on the part of some owner.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

why isn't she LA GM?

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: why isn't she LA GM?

How many other teams have a female GM? It would be an almost Jackie Robinson-esque decision to promote a woman to GM.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

wasn't it the Dodgers who broke the color barrier?

Let them promote from within and break the gender barrier. I am not a person who believes in quotas. If she was not promoted from within when LA had a GM vacancy I would like to find out why. Colletti is good but why not Ng for LA?

I want a GM who stresses the fundamentals, believes in strong defense up the middle and does not shy away from youth.

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: wasn't it the Dodgers who broke the color barr

I would say that the fact that Bill Plashke (he doesn't deserve to have his name spelled right) ran DePo out of town for not being a normal GM would make them really hesitant to hire someone even more non-traditional.

Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jun 6, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: wasn't it the Dodgers who broke the color barr

I think you are exactly right.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: wasn't it the Dodgers who broke the color barr

I would say the fact that they were anxious to hire Colletti suggests they're not so good at evaluating potential GMs. In which case not promoting Ng could be a kind of compliment.

by Roger on Jun 6, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quota?

Since when would hiring Kim Ng as GM be filling a quota? She has demonstrated a knowledge of the game, demonstrated the ability to negotiate with the toughest agents and more than hold her own, she has espoused the baseball principles you are looking for. Why would giving her a chance be any more of a quota than maintaining the current quota of white males who used to light Billy Beane's cigars?

by DrBGiantsfan on Jun 6, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Quota?

I think Wil said that he doesn't believe in quotas, and so long that she wouldn't be a quota hire, then "break the gender barrier" and hire her.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

much oblige

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Quota?

North Side takes out the free safety allowing Wil to turn upfield for a big gain and a first down.

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Jun 6, 2007 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: why isn't she LA GM?

As progressive as MLB would like to present itself, the teams are run like plantations.

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Jun 6, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: why isn't she LA GM?

I think that caps off the thread right there. Well played.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Rich, and the Super Rich

Lemmee see:

Would that be a Cotton Plantation, or a Mendo Plantation?

by Moggeee on Jun 6, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

me likey that slave money

by wilriv21 on Jun 6, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: me likey that slave money

wilriv, sometimes you are truly disturbing :)

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 6, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I agree that DePodesta sucked as a GM.

I think Cashman may be out of a job soon. I'd take another failed Yankees front office guy as the next Giants GM. Why not?

Dodger Fans LOVE Benitez!

by milesntrane on Jun 6, 2007 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Who would you want as the next Giants GM?

I change my mind. I want Bill James to be the GM of the Giants. He is a numbers nerd with a heart too. If he had a choice between two guys with similar numbers, he'd take the guy that's fun to WATCH, and that's what we pay for right?

Dodger Fans LOVE Benitez!

by milesntrane on Jun 6, 2007 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs