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Fun with Numbers

by Aadik on Jun 20, 2007 5:44 PM PDT Comment 25 comments

Obviously, this is cherry picking - but still - I found this amusing in light of another discussion.

Pitcher A in his free agent season - 27 year old LHP: ERA+ of 139, 217 IP, 99 BB, 151K's, and 10 HR's.

Zito: 28 year old LHP: ERA+ of 116, ERA+ of 116, 221 IP, 99 BB, 151K's, and 27 HR's.

Ladies and gents, we've signed Mike Hampton.

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Re: Fun with Numbers

Someone has it in their sig.

Don't mind Zito, hate the contract.

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 20, 2007 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Don't hate the player. Hate the written legal obligation to the player.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jun 20, 2007 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

I was speaking for myself, but that motto isn't far off from how I feel about most players.

Except Pedro and Mando.

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 20, 2007 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Eh, I was going for a "don't hate the player, hate the game" sort of thing, but since the game is baseball and we can't hate that, I had to do something else.

It didn't come across very well. I guess that's strike two for me over the last week.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jun 21, 2007 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sans offensive value

:-(

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 20, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Mike is indeed one of Barry's top 10 comps at age 28. In fact, I believe he's in the top five.

by sharksrog on Jun 20, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

funny story, one of Piershitskis similar batters? Michael Barrett.

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jun 20, 2007 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

No way. Hampton is a much better hitter.

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray - sent to his room until he hits

by Natto on Jun 20, 2007 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Oh wait, kenshin already made the reference.

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray - sent to his room until he hits

by Natto on Jun 20, 2007 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

great minds

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 20, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

More alarming (and stolen from the original poster on another board at that)

Zito's K/9 - 2004 to 2007: 6.89, 6.74, 6.15, 5.54
Zito's K/BB - 2004 to 2007: 2.01, 1.92, 1.53, 1.32

Can we call it a trend now?

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 20, 2007 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Apparently the Giants saw those numbere and mistook them for ERA and WHIP, leading them to believe that Barry was consistently improving. :)

by sharksrog on Jun 21, 2007 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Roll one.
A MONSTROUS one.
And let's smoke this silly season away....

ArMarlin Benitez. Talk about cutting your losses!

by victor frankenstein on Jun 20, 2007 6:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Dammit, if it wasn't for this stupid deal I would almost be at peace with the current trainwreck. We came this close to making it through the winter without trading any prospects or signing any crippling longterm backloaded deals. The stage for the inevitable rebuild would have already been set.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 20, 2007 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

How long do we have to watch the current Barry before he can move into the much more desirable Jamie Moyer phase of low-speed leftydom?

by NearestNorwich on Jun 20, 2007 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

oohh...

about 7 or 8 years

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Jun 20, 2007 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

I understand the effect of declining peripherals, but I don't understand at all how/why Zito would be in decline. He has not reached the age of decline, he doesn't have an injury history, he doesn't throw hard enough for a slight decline in pitch speed to matter. What they hell accounts for loss of performance??
I wasn't nearly as alarmed about the salami (first inning, it happens) but the 2 runs in the 3rd were killer.

by allfrank on Jun 20, 2007 6:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Pitchers decline earlier than position players at least physically, which could explain the loss of velocity. I actually feel the opposite about him throwing hard however - he's such a soft-tosser that even a small loss in velocity is the difference between fringe stuff and batting practice stuff. He can survive with 88, he can't with 84 and that's what we've been getting.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 20, 2007 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Isn't it possible that a decline in pitch speed is even more deadly for a soft tosser than for a hard thrower?

by Dan from NM on Jun 20, 2007 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

It is possible the ever-reliable Zito has been overworked. Over the past six seasons, Barry has thrown more pitches than any other pitcher aside from Livan Hernandez.

by sharksrog on Jun 21, 2007 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

I liked the Zito signing because I viewed the Giants as contenders. They're not, and they should now be considering rebuilding. And if you're going to rebuild the Zito contract is just horrendous.

Hate to be the Messenger of bad news, but strike three, you're out!! The 2007 SF Giants: Doing their part to keep the Yankees out of the playoffs

by rxmeister on Jun 20, 2007 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Did you just say "rebuild the Zito contract"? Because I'd love to know if the Giants have that option.

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Jun 20, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

Rebuilding New Orleans cost considerably less.

by Moggeee on Jun 21, 2007 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Fun with Numbers

I disliked the Zito signing becauseI viewed it as a gross overpayment for a declining veteran. That I didnt't view the Giants as legitimate contenders didn't have much impact in my decision. I had the seven-year itch even BEFORE the contract started. :)

by sharksrog on Jun 21, 2007 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Zito Signing

I was right there with you, sharksrog. Independent of our contention-status, I didn't and don't like the deal. I'm pleased that he's a swell fellow, and donates to charities, and doesn't sulk or pop off to the press, and has a hot wife (based on the softball photo posted here some time back); but for that kind of money I'd expect Clemensesque results. Heck, I'd even be happier if that were Cain's contract terms; at least I believe MattC has a good chance of justifying that kind of money.

I don't hate Zito, and certainly hope he turns things around. I just don't envisage him doing enough to justify that contract. Best case for me: we trade him. But I doubt that happens.

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle on Jun 21, 2007 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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