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I never thought I needed a signature until I read this Bonds quote:

<quote>"They can trade me," Bonds said. "They can do that. I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."</quote>

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Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I love reading Bonds' quotes, they are always sprinkled with so many 'dudes' and 'mans' its like hearing a 8th grader talk.

I think Bonds realizes that he's un-tradeable. No team on earth is going to pick him up as he creeps towards Aaron's 755.

by xanthan on Jun 18, 2007 8:06 AM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
In other words, he's just bumping his gums.

by xanthan on Jun 18, 2007 8:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Barry should get the 756 before the trading deadline of July 31st.  After the record Barry will be very tradable to playoff contenters in need of an impact bat.  

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 8:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Combined with the way he's hitting and teams going back to walking him twice a game I don't know that he would break the record in six week's time. Of course, he could get hot and tear ass through NL pitching. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 18, 2007 8:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
He's hitting .340 in June, and came within an eyelash of 2 homers on the weekend. A little upsurge isn't out of the question.  Historically he's hit pretty well in Miller Park as well, especially if the roof's closed, they seem to have a little jet stream that goes out to the RF alley.

by Roger on Jun 18, 2007 8:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Even if the breaking of the record were to be delayed to August it sure won't be delayed until September and a waiver trade of Barry in August after he breaks the record should not be hard to do.

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 8:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've had to listen to since my aunt and mother called my house giving out financial advice to my grandmother. My aunt and mother who regularly can't make rent because it interferes with their money to buy drugs. Telling my grandmother what to do with her money.

Personal grudges, losing face in front of the press, legal issues, whatever, it's not enough to place a player who's making a fuckload of money and can still contribute on the waiver wire in hopes you can trade him. Despite what you or anyone else thinks, the man can still hit enough to where he's valuable in the lineup. I was really meh on waiving Mando because of the chunk of money the team would be blowing by making the move. This would be exponentially worse in loss of money and yeah, we'd have a big fat hole in the lineup. No. That doesn't work.

Congratulations, you've made my head explode with the dumb. It's one thing to hate Bonds. I don't hate people who hate Bonds. I don't blame people who hate Bonds. I hate people who say completely retarded things when trying to make a point about Bonds, thus failing altogether and looking like a big asshole.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 18, 2007 8:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I don't hate Barry Bonds.  In fact Barry still remains my favorite all time baseball player since he displaced the trio of Mays, McCovey, and Marichal back in 2001.  

But, I do not like the way he is playing this year and the way he has allowed his persuit of the record to become more important then helping the team win.  The old Barry (the one I love) will return after the record is broken but it will be too late to help the Giants in 2007.

I want Barry traded not just because i think we will be better next year without him and with what we can get him, but, because I want him to win a ring and that is not going to happen with the Giants this year.  We can't recover from the damage Barry's approach this year in persuit of the record has already done.

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 8:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Baron, "you've made my head explode with the dumb" has immediately become my new favorite saying and I look forward to plagiarizing you with great regularity for the rest of the summer. In fact, I'm going to race downtown to some of the Capitol Hill bars after work where I'm sure I'll get the perfect opportunity to introduce it into the conversation.

by Roger on Jun 18, 2007 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Can I collect royalties?
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 18, 2007 8:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
In karma and general awesomeness, absolutely. Otherwise, I was pretty much planning on taking all the credit myself.

by Roger on Jun 18, 2007 9:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
BVCE, I'm following the Roger path as well. I do, however, plan on paying extensive royalties to Roger, who came up with this plan.
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 18, 2007 10:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I hope, for the sake of you both, that my upcoming good karma is REALLY good. Like manifests in winning a fat sum of money in the lottery, suddenly making all chocolate fat free and keeping its deliciousness, L'Oreal bringing their Bijou nail polish line out of retirement, and Noah Lowry coming by my house with an engagement ring for me.

Anything less and I'm coming after you.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 18, 2007 10:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Ooh, if we get the all fat-free chocolate can we get those cigarettes that extend your life expectancy, too?  I mean, we can put a man on the moon...

by Roger on Jun 18, 2007 10:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
And make them smell like baby powder!
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 18, 2007 11:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Try it at Irish Times....
That would be really funny. Or Cap City.
And Boom Goes the Dynamite

by Andy from DC on Jun 18, 2007 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Try it at Irish Times....
I was really thinking Hawk N Dove.

by Roger on Jun 18, 2007 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
You've angered the Baron.  Be very afraid.
Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Jun 18, 2007 8:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I still don't buy it, what team would pick up the "New Questionable Home Run Champ" ? I still think he's untouchable by any other team.

by xanthan on Jun 18, 2007 8:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I contend...
You're saying Barry needs to leave behind him San Francisco -- Home of Playoff Discontent.

by Moggeee on Jun 18, 2007 8:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
He'd be a very useful player on a playoff team that actually had good complementary players (he'd be a great fit for the Twins at DH or the Tigers in LF), but I would be seriously surprised if (a) anyone actually wanted to trade for him and (b) anyone would give up players of value for him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 18, 2007 8:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
when he was a free agent, no other team wanted the baggage. You think they're now going to give up something to get him?? And from the Giants' point of view, if they continue to fade, the Bonds' chase of Aaron is one of the few attractions they have to sell tickets. I hope the young Giant players turn out to be great, but right now few fans are going to pay to see them.
Hate to be the Messenger of bad news, but strike three, you're out!! The 2007 SF Giants: Doing their part to keep the Yankees out of the playoffs

by rxmeister on Jun 18, 2007 8:31 AM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Most of the baggage is gone after the record is gone.  Other teams did indeed shy away from having him break the record while with them.  But, after the record is already broken this is a non issue and all that matters is that he improves you chances of getting to and suceeding in the post season.

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 8:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I agree that the baggage would be gone, but would be surprised if any offer the Giants would receive would be better than the compensatory draft pick we'd get after the season if we keep him.
Klesko's numbers just keep going up! (.318/.405/.488 as of 6/14/07)

by Goofus on Jun 18, 2007 9:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Is that true? Is the baggage going to disappear the day after he breaks the record? I had never really considered this as a possibility. The hoards of "home run chase" media would thin, I guess, although if he were traded, the hoards of "OMG... Barry Bonds has been traded to a contender in a city where all the fans hate him!" media would be substantial.

I hope you guys are right; I just don't imagine that fans, media, and federal prosecutors are that eager to let go of their whipping boy.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 18, 2007 9:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I'm not necessarily saying the Giants should trade Bonds, but I'd have trouble imagining the Angels not wanting him at DH instead of Shea Hillenbrand. The big question, of course, is what they'd give up to get him for a couple of months...

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 18, 2007 8:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Deal With the Devil?
To get Bonds, the Angels -- perhaps baseball's holiest team -- would merely have to part with their soul.

by Moggeee on Jun 18, 2007 8:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Giants have openings to fill
The proposed deal pits America's holy-est team vs. America's holey-est team.

by Moggeee on Jun 18, 2007 9:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

More on Elijah Dukes
Sorry it's fairly off-topic, but I didn't want to open a diary just to talk about this. As if what we've heard recently about the threats wasn't enough, now the Chicago Tribune reports this...

"According to sources, the Devil Rays are open to trading troubled outfielder Elijah Dukes. The 22-year-old was back in the news last week with reports that he was facing paternity issues with a sixth child born to a fifth different woman, the latest being a teenager who told police Dukes got her pregnant during consensual sex while she was a 17-year-old foster child at the home of Dukes' step-grandmother."

Stay away from him, Sabean. Far, far, far away.

Link
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070617rogers,1,6399932,print.col umn?coll=cs-home-utility

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 18, 2007 8:48 AM PDT   0 recs

Re: More on Elijah Dukes
oh, and with that 17 year old girl, it's said she and another girl (it is not known if Dukes also impregnated her) confronted him about the pregnancy, and he threw a bottle of Gatorade at the baby momma.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 18, 2007 8:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: More on Elijah Dukes
"He's still a better human being than Barry Bonds.

Love, Rick Reilly."

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 18, 2007 9:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What's the Big Prob?
He was concerned that she and her baby get enough electrolytes.

by Moggeee on Jun 18, 2007 9:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: More on Elijah Dukes
interresting. He does come with about 5 or 6 really young prospects...
something interesting.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 18, 2007 9:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
In a related note, Roger open to, doesn't expect title.

by Roger on Jun 18, 2007 9:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Okay, Bonds aside (there's zero chance of a Bonds trade, really), this is the important quote from the article:

"You try to win every year, and we've certainly done that," Sabean said. "The last two years, even given our fallibility, the races were still something we could be a part of.

"But there are years, and this could be one of those years, that you have to take a step back and try to be realistic about it."

Sabean is open to a fire sale. Stop the presses. This is very encouraging, I think.

by Skaldheim on Jun 18, 2007 10:05 AM PDT   0 recs

I am doubtful of Sabean's objectivity
Is that old hound learning something new in mid-crisis?

Just moments ago, it seems, he wasn't very realistic in placing the blame for the Benitez dumping on the fans and media.

by Moggeee on Jun 18, 2007 10:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Skaldheim, please make a diary with this money quote. I've been waiting to see a shred of evidence that a fire sale might happen. I've never believed that it couldn't- even if we don't get A-list prospects, anything is better than what we got, and each of our vets has qualities that teams will look for heading into the great chase. I don't know if this really is proof that the great "what if" will materialize, but it's put a big fat smile on my face!
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 18, 2007 10:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
A big cheese-eating grin on a tarred and feathered hairball.

It's...it's just wrong.

by Moggeee on Jun 18, 2007 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Isn't that the definition of a "mogeee"?
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 18, 2007 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Like a crappy gangsta, I came up one g short. Sorry.
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 18, 2007 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Being a gangsta, even a crappy one, means never having to say your sorry.

(Insult processed and warmly accepted.)

by Moggeee on Jun 18, 2007 12:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
That does seem like a very reasonable quote. I think we would have seen a fire sale last season if our collapse had occurred a week or two earlier; by all accounts Sabean was scrambling to find a good offer for Schmidt as the team started to fall apart at the deadline.

Now will he be very good at selling? I mean, the Pirates have a fire sale every July and still manage to suck the next year. Sabean's made a couple of solid low-level "Tucker for Pichardo" deals, but I have no idea what he would be able to get for the likes of Morris, Durham, Feliz, and Klesko. It would be interesting to find out.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 18, 2007 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
As always, the devil's in the details.

by Roger on Jun 18, 2007 11:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
The Angels don't strike me as a likely buyer of Bonds; their pretty conservative, more likely to just leave the money in the account and draw interest.
  The Yankees, tho, seem like a very likely target, if they can get close enough.  Te Red Sox?  Maybe, just to keep him out of NY.  I am not sure any other AL team is willing/likely to fork over the $10 mil, let alone prospect, for Barry.  If Sabean/McGowan decided to trade Barry, I don';t think they would demand/expect much in return.  They would want a bona fide, A level prospect, but the benefits would be in saving the $10 mil and giving Shierholtz and everyday opportunity.

by allfrank on Jun 18, 2007 12:07 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Yankees, maybe, and he would also look pretty good in the middle of the Tigers' or Twins' lineups (though the Sheffield feud might keep him from Detroit.) But the Red Sox, unless they gave us Youkilis in return, don't really have a spot for him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 18, 2007 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I see Barry Bonds and Matt Morris going to Seattle for Adam Jones and Wladimar Balentien with the Giants paying the lion's share of the remainder of both Bonds' and Morris' 2007 salary.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Adam%2520Jones&pos=&sid=milb&t =p_pbp&pid=430945

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Wladimir%2520Balentien&pos=&sid=mi lb&t=p_pbp&pid=434605
 

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 12:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Why would a non-contender trade their two best prospects for a couple of aging vets? That's absurd.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 18, 2007 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
Seattle is a contender and are tied with the A's for second in the AL West and second in the AL Wild Card.  That is why.

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 12:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I still think that even Bill Bavasi isn't this stupid.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 18, 2007 12:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
You are forgetting the desire to win now.  There are lots of examples of trades like this including our own trade of one catcher who's initials are AJ.  Surely, Barry Bonds and Matt Morris will do alot more for Seattle's playoff chances and post season chances then Sabean had any hope AJ whould do for the Giants' chances.

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
These trades have happened before,  but it seems to me like they really don't happen as often as they used to anymore. I can't think of a deal in the last two years or so where a team traded two of its very best prospects for players they only had under control for 1-2 more years.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 18, 2007 12:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
It seems like it's becoming more of a buyer's market every year. A fire sale would be interesting at the very least, and it could bulk up our low minors and maybe get us a cheap and decent everyday player like Xavier Nady. Trading for a future superstar seems highly unlikely, though, when you look at the quality of propsect that has moved at the deadline the past two seasons.

I am all for a fire sale, but my expectations aren't sky high. I'd be happy if they got a few B+ prospects, cleared out some payroll, and managed to avoid something stupid like including Oliver Perez as a "throw in" in a Roberto Hernandez for Xavier Nady deal.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 18, 2007 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Acquiring young talent
I think jponry is right. I think there's been a sea change in the game, and those kinds of deals aren't happening. It would seem even Sabean has come to understand this (though a bit late for some of us) in his not trading Cain or Lincecum. This gets us back to the fundamentals: scouting and drafting your young future stars. Hopefully, the Villalona signing was a step in this direction. And that's why our recent draft was so disappointing; the times have changed, and this was our opportunity to rectify the last several years of our poor drafts in one fell swoop. If you've read Roger's post about the money that MLB is awash in, you know that we could have afforded to draft actual high-ceiling players with all our early picks. The fact that we didn't, and that the ones we did choose to spend money on were 2 HS pitchers and one HS hitter, makes me think Sabean only half-understands the new paradigm.
Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle on Jun 18, 2007 2:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I'd be happy with one of those two for Bonds/Morris, but I don't think the Mariners would do it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 18, 2007 12:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I is stuck here 'til the end
If he is open to being traded and the deal makes SF better then it should be Sabean's coup de grace.

by wilriv21 on Jun 18, 2007 12:47 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
good, bad, or ugly - trading BB with < 8 HR to break the record would be probably the most bizarre thing in the history of sport.

by zenbitz on Jun 18, 2007 12:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I don't think anyone is talking about trading Barry before the record.  What we are discussing is trading Barry after the record in either late July by normal trade or August by waiver trade.

by giantsrainman on Jun 18, 2007 12:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bonds open to, doesn't expect trade
I don't know why not, though.  While it does come with its own traveling circus, having Bonds chase the record must sell a lot of tickets.

by achiappanza on Jun 18, 2007 3:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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