Lincecum/Hamels Analyses
I've done several Pitcher "analyses" in the last couple of years, most about Johan Santana or Francisco Liriano. But when I saw the Lincecum/Hamels matchup, I was so excited that I just had to chart pitches and see what it showed. If you're interested in the results, I would love to discuss it. Check it out here (www.SethSpeaks.net). Thanks!
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Re: Lincecum/Hamels Analyses
Fastball - 86 (86.0%)
Curveball - 12 (12.0%)
Change Up - 2 (2.0%)
That says it all right there. For a guy with an outstanding curve, that isn't a whole lot of usage.
by positiveuphemism on May 6, 2007 11:17 PM PDT reply actions
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- he didn't get the loss.
- he battled through a lot last night. he gave up two, two-run homers and that was about it.
- he got a lot of swing thrus, even the second time around.
- he got some major league experience without getting shelled.
- eventhough he had some control problems, which we all know having read his lines so far is going to be an issue (but he is what, like 12 years old) so we kind of expected that. but he wasn't grooving his fastball down the middle.
- he should get 1 of 2 more starts before he goes back down to work on his control.
and the last good thing is, it doesn't look like he is going to get razor burn for a while. the only shaving cream he is going to see for a while are the shaving cream pies he is going to get in the face during his tv interviews.
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Clearly, Lincecum was over amped. His control was never sharp, his fastball flattened out early, due to over throwing, and his curveball didn't have much break, for the same reason. He managed his game poorly, losing velocity as he went on. Also, he ran into some bad luck with a tight strike zone.
We'll give him a mulligan. If he corrects the flaws listed above, he could still dominate.
Meanwhile, I'm impressed that Hamels missed the 2004 season due to bar fight! How old school!
by GiantJim on May 7, 2007 9:47 AM PDT reply actions
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Re: Trade Lincecum for Hamels?
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Lincecum has a huge upside, but with his violent and effort-filled delivery, can he last 7-8 innings effectively? Is his future in the closer role? I'm not saying I know the answer to that question, just something to think about.
Also, Hamels has such a fluid, effortless delivery and three plus pitches. He is left handed and looks like he could be around for a long time.
You really have two polar opposites at work here. If Lincecum shows better control (maybe the power guy is what you want). Great question!
Re: Trade Lincecum for Hamels?
Actually, I do believe that there is a lot of stress-deferment to his delivery so his body takes a lot more pressure than his arm, but others here can explain it a lot better than I can.
Even so, it remains to be seen which point of view is right regarding this kid. Time will tell.
by howtheyscored on May 7, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
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by GiantJim on May 7, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
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by fanofvanlandingham on May 7, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
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Personally, I saw two different game pitched by Tim within his debut game.
For the first 11 batters, Tim was getting by on his fastball alone. (He threw only three curves for strikes, and the first of those three he would have been better off throwing it for a ball.) But to those first 11 batters, Tim pitched OK (two hits, one walk, five strikeouts) because he had his control (30 strikes out of 46 pitches), even if he didn't have his secondary pitches going.
But to the last dozen batters, Tim not only didn't have his curve or change, he didn't have his control (only 23 strikes on 54 pitches).
So based on Sunday's game, it appears Tim may be able to get by without his secondary pitches, but only if he has control. If he has control and at least one of his two secondary pitches (He usually has both.), I believe he can be dominant.
Friday night should be interesting.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 7, 2007 2:43 PM PDT reply actions
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by Brother Bummer on May 8, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions

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