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I'm not sure if I've ever been more nervous watching a pitcher as I was for Tim Lincecum's debut. After all of the hype and grainy YouTube videos, it was the first time most Giants fans had the chance to watch him. The results were disappointing, but the overall performance was not. He gave me the courage to cheer for the great pitching prospects, the serenity to ignore the middling prospects, and the wisdom to know the difference. Yea, be unto him.
Every Lincecum start since then has ranged from good to outstanding. Now my nerves act up more when I shave under my nose than when I watch Lincecum pitch. It's the same with Matt Cain; if either one has a couple of poor starts, they'll be indicative of a couple of poor starts and nothing more. They've both earned a certain kind of trust that transcends the minutia of a single game.
Barry Zito doesn't have that trust yet. I tend to analyze every pitch of his as if it means something. Every good curve in a 2-2 count is reason for optimism; every wild fastball in a 3-2 count is reason for panic. So, so much of the franchise's fortune for the next few years is reliant on him pitching well. If he pitches like a left-handed Mark Gardner with iffy control for the first year of his eleventy-year contract - and that comparison comes with all due respect to Gardner - there would be tears, wailing, and resentment heading into year two. It'd be a tough slog.
That's why it's so nice to watch Zito pitch well, and it's why I anticipate each of his starts with the same nerves I had for Lincecum's debut. The last two starts were evidence that Zito can be a good pitcher. It seems silly to write that about a pitcher with a long history of being above-average, but Zito hadn't shown anything in a Giants' uniform other than an occasionally nice curve that he couldn't locate.
Last night, though, he carved the Mets up. The fastball set up the curve. The curve had location and bite; it was hard to hit even when the batter was expecting it. He changed speeds on all of his pitches. It was just a fantastic start.
And I'll still be nervous as hell for every one of his starts for, oh, the next year or so.
Comment starter: Am I the only one? Or are the rest of you already in the "I trust him" or the "I wrote him off in February" camp?
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I don't think looking at his W-L record is a good indicator of whether he's "put it all together". It's not Matt Cain's fault that the Giants have only won 2 of his starts. Most of those losses are on the offense or the bullpen, and he can't control either of those things.
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by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
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But Cain's ERA seems to be a consequence of a tiny BA against, which should start to reverse as the season progresses. He needs to control his walks better and increase his strike outs to ultimately be dominant. Something he can do.
by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
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Incidentally, I LOVED watching you play basketball. I saw your first game on TV when you still play for Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis. The way you could back a guy down and get a shot off over him with your elbow almost inverted was a sight to behold.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on May 31, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 31, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
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by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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He's neither a control pitcher nor a power pitcher, which is one reason he makes Grant so nervous. When his control is on, like last night, he puts up dominating performances. Usually, his control is a crap shoot, like the old version of Ortiz.
He evens out as a nice #2-#3 starter, but he ain't worth $128 million.
by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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Come on. Be a leader Barry.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
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by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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I agree that Fred could pull off the look. I've seen Lowry is the high socks just one time and I've filed the visual in my memory for all time.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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I pine for views of this dreamy man!
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Grant Brisbee on May 31, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
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by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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by whataboutbob on May 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
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His K/BB was approx 1.5 last year - and its even worse this year.
Zito's value comes from being an extremely durable pitcher, but the Giants need not have paid $126 million from it.
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He doesn't have the full trust yet, but if he puts together a bunch more starts like yesterday's, then he will.
by nostocksjustbonds on May 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions
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His 7-1 K/BB ratio yesterday certainly helped out his horrible peripherals, though.
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As an aside to paboperfecto ridiculous comment that Cain is a loser pitcher.... Have you ever watched him pitch? That is the single most ignorant statement I have heard this season. The Giants could easily be 9-1 in his starts, if the offense and defense could pull it together.
by lannieshea on May 31, 2007 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
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by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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Now I just figure there were a lot of fans who hadn't seen him pitch since 2002. Because he is really one of the most misereable pitchers to watch. Not far from a LH Ortiz (circa 2000).
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
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"all night last night, I was just waiting for him to blow up."
What a lame attitude to watch a ballgame with! I was enjoying the curves. Did you see those ones that were practically caught at the ground, but fell nicely through the strike zone?
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by victor frankenstein on May 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
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Having seen the Sopranos promo
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by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
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But that contract is so bad that no matter what he does we are screwed.
The worst contract in Baseball history and its going to have lasting devastating effects for this team for the next ten years unless payroll rises substantially.
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
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Zito will be fine.
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B)Since it ain't my money, and there's no real salary cap in baseball, Zito is a great, great pickup. Who would you rather have on the mound after a brutal loss? How about: Nobody. Who would you rather have setting an example for Caincecum? Nobody. The guy's going to get us 12-15 wins THIS YEAR, and that's with Bengie Frickin' Molina providing all the firepower.
Is Barry Zito an "ace" in the traditional sense of the word? Nah. Does he make the other pitchers on the staff (including two potential aces in the traditional sense of the word) much, much better? Hells-to-the-yes.
When we pick up A-Rod next year, we're going to be stoked. I'm already stoked on our non-Armando pitching. (Nonmando?)
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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- I'm a frickin' Giants fan.
- OK, let's just say The Bat To Replace Bonds. (Because I sure would hate to have a guy with 19HR and 45 RBI right now. Sheesh.)
I will give...
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by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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I see no way his contract is justifiable after 2009, even assuming inflation levels not seen since the Weimar Republic. I hope we can trade him to a desperate George Steinbrenner in 2010. I hope I'm wrong about Zito, I really do. But his contract would seem to be the proverbial millstone around the Giants' neck.
by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on May 31, 2007 4:55 PM PDT reply actions
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Overemotional? Perhaps. But I couldn't think of anything clever to say.
Hello, btw.
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by bigshowbaseball on May 31, 2007 9:52 PM PDT reply actions
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Even the man who signed him admits he overpaid for Barry's services.

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