Lincecum article
Hey guys -
Check out the article on Lincecum I just wrote on Bleacher Report.
What do you think about the pitch count concerns--overblown or worth worrying about?
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The workload thing (in college) was always an issue for Tim and he's shown no ill effects from it yet. That's not to say they could never happen - he's a young pitcher and every young pitcher, no matter how perfect his mechanics or how rubber his arm, is an injury risk.
Liriano was an elevated injury risk long before he was allowed to throw those numbers of pitches last season... he was barely ever able to make it through a full season when he was pitching in the Giants system. Lincecum doesn't have that same history, so I don't really think it's a good comparison. Also, I think his big strikeout pitch is a slider (as opposed to Tim's curveball), which is supposed to be a lot tougher on the arm than other pitches.
So, in conclusion, I think you're overblowing Tim's injury risk a little. Obviously, it's there and it wouldn't hurt to hold him to between 100 and 110 pitches a start, if possible, but I don't really think he's any higher an injury risk than, say, Matt Cain or any other young pitcher out there right now.
by jponry on
May 18, 2007 11:48 AM PDT
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This is the Franchise we're talking about, after all...
Also, I guess I have selective memory and forgot about Liriano's injury history--trying to wipe that trade from my memory probably had a residual, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind effect.
by bleacherman on
May 18, 2007 12:05 PM PDT
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by sharksrog on
May 18, 2007 12:55 PM PDT
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by Poe on
May 18, 2007 11:49 AM PDT
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May 18, 2007 12:12 PM PDT
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by someguynamedg on
May 18, 2007 11:52 AM PDT
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It seems that this is the time of the year that Bochy begins taking the training wheels off of his starters. He let Lowry get to 125 (I think?) the other night. As long as they're still effective, he'll probably leave them in there.
Liriano didn't flame out because of pitch counts. It was probably more attributed to his mechanics than anything. If I'm not mistaken, he also had an injury history before the Giants parted ways with him. So you can't really compare the two right now.
I don't think theres much need to worry about Lincecum. If it gets too much for him, I'm sure Bochy will figure it out before it gets too far.
by sfgfan on
May 18, 2007 11:57 AM PDT
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by joebirdie3 on
May 18, 2007 11:59 AM PDT
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by Poe on
May 18, 2007 12:02 PM PDT
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by dangjackson on
May 18, 2007 12:04 PM PDT
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by Poe on
May 18, 2007 12:11 PM PDT
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by Andy In Fresno on
May 18, 2007 12:28 PM PDT
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by bleacherman on
May 18, 2007 12:15 PM PDT
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The money is surely a concern; pitchers are pretty fragile to start with, and as they get more expensive, the more precautions managers will be encouraged to take to protect the investment.
Related to that, there's more competition for talent than there used to be, so it may be harder to find top-flight pitchers. Populations are greater today, and there's a lot more international scouting than there used to be; but there's pretty good money in other professional sports (and even in non-sports fields), and that undoubtedly sucks up some of the talent.
The game has become much more about power pitching and power hitting; it's possible that the kind of pitching guys do today is harder on their arms.
Sports medicine has improved tremendously, and we know more about how pitchers get injured. If it happens to be the case that the chance of serious injury, or even just ineffectiveness down the road, is greater for guys who throw 120+ pitches, it's silly to keep asking them to do that. It was less silly when nobody really knew better.
Baseball managers are pretty risk-averse, as a group. Now that pretty much everyone has adopted the starter-reliever-setup guy-closer model, it would take a bold man to send his starter out for eight or nine innings regularly. IIRC, the Royals tried that a few seasons ago and it worked OK for the first half of the season, and then their starters totally fell apart in the second half.
by Mel Ott on
May 18, 2007 12:11 PM PDT
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For instance, Juan Marichal NEVER made over 40 starts, and he made as many as 40 only once -- in 1963.
I do believe that like the old-time pitchers, Tim could pitch relief on his day to throw between starts.
I also believe that should the Giants mistakenly decide to make him a closer, he could pitch almost every day as long as they limted him to only one inning.
by sharksrog on
May 18, 2007 1:01 PM PDT
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by EliminateMe on
May 18, 2007 12:10 PM PDT
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Cain is the arm I'm worried about, Flippy abused him pretty badly last year and he looked fatigued in his last few starts as a result. So far Bochy has let him throw 110 or more pitches in three starts - not a trend I like with a 22-year-old. Hopefully all will be well, but Cain is the guy I hold my breath on, not Lincecum.
by JakeS on
May 18, 2007 12:17 PM PDT
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Cain is much more likely to get hurt than Lincecum, I think.
by Evan on
May 18, 2007 12:21 PM PDT
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I see why the comparison to Liriano is made, except Liriano was always a health bust. And if you watch the way he throws, it's a high 3/4 angle which can cause a LOT of strain on the shoulder.
Lincecum throws directly over the top, and because his hips follow through with his arm as one, if there is any damage, it's minimal. He's only 22, so yeah, he could have serious arm issues even by the time he's 25. But let's not worry about that just yet.
by Anticon23 on
May 18, 2007 1:35 PM PDT
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by JakeS on
May 18, 2007 1:38 PM PDT
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May 18, 2007 1:38 PM PDT
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May 18, 2007 1:48 PM PDT
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May 18, 2007 2:39 PM PDT
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by JakeS on
May 18, 2007 3:00 PM PDT
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first...liriano had prior arm probs, and his delivery exacerbated them...he wasnt overpitched
watch lincecum's delivery....most of the power comes from his body....his arm works as a slingshot...putting less pressure on the arm
so nothing to see here folks...move along
by bacci40 on
May 18, 2007 6:07 PM PDT
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The only bad thing about having seen Tim's motion is that it makes the others seem less than perfect. I mean, I could watch that flowing motion all day long -- from any angle.
by sharksrog on
May 18, 2007 8:08 PM PDT
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