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Opening Day was a template for how the Giants were going to be terrible. No offense, no bullpen, and a little starting pitching -- it was bad baseball. Wednesday's game was almost a template on how the Giants could expect to win. Matt Cain looked great. Bonds's batting eye is still the best in the game, and you know he's going well when the home runs are going out to left-center. There were a couple of clutch hits and walks...
And yet....
- When the Giants hired Bochy, I asked GasLampBall what they could pass on about Bochy. The condensed version: He ain't bad, but his obsession with platoon advantages is annoying. He's like Mr. Burns in the "Simpsons" episode where Homer is sent up to bat instead of Darryl Strawberry because of a lefty/righty match-up.
So, of course, Bochy sends Eliezer Alfonzo up instead of Todd Linden to pinch hit against Trevor Hoffman. Uh. What? Either Linden ate some hamachi he found floating in the clubhouse spa and spent the ninth inning in the restroom, or Bochy is still trying to find his sea legs with his new roster. Unless the pitcher is a garbage-time lefty, Alfonzo is a guy you send up in the 16th inning because you've already used Noah Lowry.
Bochy must know something about Hoffman that we don't. A crippling fear of "z"s? No excuse is a good excuse for this one. Eliezer Alfonzo? Against Trevor Hoffman? If there's ever a Dowd Report II, moves like that will be listed on the jacket cover.
- Cain looked great. It means nothing that he gave up a couple of homers Schilling-style. He walked one, and it happened to come right before one of the three or so hard-hit balls of the game. Heck, the curve before the 3-2 pitch should have been a strike, but the umpire was being equally ignorant for both teams, so it doesn't make much sense to put too much blame on questionable calls. Cain will get Cy Young votes if he continues to throw this well.
- Benitez looked pretty good. Every pitcher is going to have a bad inning, but it's clear that Benitez isn't allowed to. When he walked a hitter after a legitimately tough battle, the crowd started to boo. I'm not a huge Benitez fan, but come on. Save the boos for when they're really, really deserved. Benitez throwing 93 and getting swing throughs with his breaking stuff isn't exactly time to chew the guy out. There will be other chances for that. There'd better be; I have more Benitez-related Photoshops than anyone else.
- Hennessey is a reliever is a reliever is a reliever. He throws harder in relief. His sinker does more. His slider does more. Stop. The experiment has ended. We've figured it out. Our long national nightmare is over. He does not want to be moved between roles. Stop it. Keep him there.
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just that damn jack taschner.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Apr 4, 2007 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Larson2042 on Apr 5, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Apr 4, 2007 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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As for the G-men...soooooo not interested in anything with this team. I feel bad for Cain that he has a dominating kind of night, and gets zero support for the W. I'm trying to give up this drinking habit of mine...ok...well maybe I'm just wanting to slow down a bit. If the boys keep playing 5-6 inning games then being a bunch o' deadbeats for the remaining 3-4 innings, I'll fall off that wagon real quick like.
by PacBellBoozer on Apr 4, 2007 10:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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bochy was famous in sd for role playing his pen
i know our pen has been awful...but cant he just try it for a bit?
by bacci40 on Apr 4, 2007 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Other than the tater that Taschner gave up he looked pretty good IMO. He was around the zone. Tasch relies on working the extreme outside corner and the UMP wasn't calling the outside strike. I'll take this Taschner over the early 06 version any day.
Also Benitez looked good. I didn't realize the crowd was booing Benitez, I thought they were booing two questionable calls by the ump that allowed the runner to walk. Either way Benitez looked just as good as Meredith, Linebrink or the Hoff.
Vizquel is looking sharp. He's hitting line drives and they're just going to the wrong place. But sooner or later those are going to fall in. Roberts had a couple great shots, too. Durham isn't looking hot. Molina looks like Notgardo with better eye hand coordination. It's too bad there's not a legit hitter to hit behind Bonds.
by orangeandblackattack on Apr 4, 2007 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I like this strategy a lot. "Hey Kevin, his change-up is 75 mph...take one for the team!:
by Goofus on Apr 5, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Actually, I think there are some bats behind Bonds. True, Aurelia hasn't gotten untracked, yet, but both Durham and Molina have gotten hits both nights. Actually, I think Molina's O has been pretty steady - he puts his bat on the ball, hits line drives. That bases loaded line out to center was not stung, but it was well hit.
I agree completely with the idea of leading off the 0th with Linden or Frandsen. Alfonzo should be saved to pitch the 21st inning. I am glad he is using Klesko to PH. I liked his working for the BB - very unPedro like. BTS, as I [posted earlier, who was that that pinch hit for Feliz and knocked in the run? That was a nice at bat. Someone should sshow that film to Feliz - maybe he'll learn something.
by allfrank on Apr 4, 2007 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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That's my diagnosis.
by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2007 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Molina reminds me a lot of Feliz, swinging wildly at offspeed outside and in the dirt, and first pitch popping out with runners on (his at bat early in the game not the one allfrank was talking about)
by April3rdLifeBegins on Apr 4, 2007 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Bhaakon on Apr 5, 2007 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Bruce must have thought Eliezer Alfonzo enjoyed some sort of edge over Trevor Hoffman, since Bruce would know Trevor about as well as anyone. But as someone already posted, when you need a base runner, Edgardo would seem to be one of the LAST guys you would send up.
by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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If he keeps throwing that curveball more and more often he'll be even better; it's just absurd to see how much success he's had using basically one pitch with any consistency.
by JakeS on Apr 5, 2007 1:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Kid Fresh on Apr 5, 2007 5:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Apr 5, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bochy's Moves
Using Alfonzo as the PH to lead off the ninth is simply incomprehensible unless Linden is hurt or something. I just gasped when I saw Notgardo's name come up on Gameday.
by DrBGiantsfan on Apr 5, 2007 7:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Steve hasn't been very good EITHER of the past two seasons. I don't see him as having closer potential.
by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cain
by wjackalope on Apr 5, 2007 7:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Most of my enjoyment came from screaming at Mike Cameron from the fourth row of the bleachers. One crazy mofo kept it up all night. Mob mentality, sure, but it was fun. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 5, 2007 8:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by ololo3 on Apr 5, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is one thing to stink
But c'mon. Feliz? Molina looks like Notgardo2 or Feliz-Heavy against righties. Aurelia is I guess a little better than the Niekro/Hindenburg. Roberts in place of Alou? We are looking at a third consecutive season of Kansas City by the Bay.
From what it looks like through ST and the first couple of games is that the position player side of the equation is about as unchanged as the NY Yankees over the last 3 years. The Giants have stayed with Feliz Vizquel Durham Snow/Niekroburg in the infield and Bonds Winn/Roberts Alou/Finley in the outfield and AJ/Matheny/Notgardo behind the dish during the last 3 years. Not a lot of turnover here. The kind of non-turnover one expects from a good team doing a good job of retaining key players with hefty contracts.
The Yankees have stayed with Posada, Giambi, Cano, Jeter, A-Rod, Matsui, Williams/Damon Sheffield in the outfield. Again, the kind of non-turnover one expects from a good team doing a good job of retaining key players with hefty contracts. And like the Giants with Bonds and Alou, the Yankees lost major playing time with Sheffield and Matsui. But that is where the similarity ends.
Heres the simplest kind of offensive comparison--Runs Scored
Giants Yankees
2006 746 930
2005 649 886
2004 850 897
The Yankees won the division in each of those three years. Now the Giants actually went 91 and 71 in 2004, then finished near the bottom with sub .500 seasons in a weak division. Barry was actually himself in the second half of 2006 as evidenced by the bump in Run Production. So, you can imagine what this looks like without Barry in the equation. Both of these teams have locked up their starters with long term contracts. If you are the Yankees, I can understand why. They produce a hell of a lot a runs and play pretty good defense, and have won their division in each of those 3 years.
If you are the Giants, I have not a clue as to why anybody other than Bonds would have a contract longer than 10 minutes. And people are bitching about his ONE YEAR CONTRACT? He's the only fucking legitimate Major League Starter on this team. This team scores no runs. Last night and the day before were just a continuation of the anemia that is the Giants offense. I like Omar and all that. He's a nice number 8 hitter, and still plays legit defense. Durham is a nice 6 hitter. Other than that, only Bonds is a legit run producer in the 3 or 4 hole. Not counting the pitcher, the Giants have essentially plugged the other 5 lineup spots with bench players. Other than Bonds, Nobody on the Giants starts for the Yankees. Only Durham even earns a bench spot probably.
Now of course the Yankees spend a lot more. But that is not the point. The point is the Giants have spent a ton of money on bench players and tried to make starters out of them. Its not an age thing, its a talent thing. Whether its homegrown (Niekro, Linden, Torcatto, Frandsen, Ellison, Feliz, etc) or acquired (AJ, Matheny, Alou, Edgardo, Durham, Hindenburg, Winn, Finley, Sweeny, Roberts, Green, etc.) these guys are basically bench players on any team that the Giants would ever hope to meet in the playoffs.
This is clearly on management and ownership equally. Five million dollars per year to Pedro Feliz. Unbelievable. Multi-year no trade contract for millions to Winn, Matheny. Unbelievable.
I don't even want to start in on the insanity of the pitching staff composition. And I think the Giants realize this.
I think that they are going to ride this thing out until at least the end of May...about a 1/4 to 1/3 of the season. And then try and do something. Too little too late.
As for the pitching staff. Again, we have young guys who are going backwards, or are not progressing. Munter came up, looked okay, then has backslid ever since. Same with Taschner, Hennessey, Wilson, Sanchez, Correia, Accardo. Its like the organization keeps changing its mind on what and how to utilize these guys' talents to give them the best opportunity to succeed. They fucked up with Nathan, Aardsma, Jerome Williams, Liriano, Bonser, all in the last couple of years.
If there is an organization that is about as clueless as Kansas City and Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh right now, its this one. The tragic difference is that the Giants have tons of money and unbelievable fan support, and the best player to ever play the game. As Chester Riley used to say: "What a revolting development this is."
I still think they're good for almost 80 wins this year though.
by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Like maybe I've been right all along about Magowan being a meddler? Or did Sabaen get stupid coincidental with the sacking of Dusty Baker?
by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Apr 5, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Williams -> Kent "I am not an idiot"
Watson -> JT Snow
Rios+Volglesong -> Schmidt
FA signings:
Santiago, Burks
Endless swapping of B-prospects for B-veterans
I am probably missing a few too - but there was no reason to think any of these were particularly brilliant. One could argue that his brilliance was seeing what no one else could see - BUT if so, where did that brilliance go.
I actually thought replacing Kent with Durham+Alfonzo was one of his "smarter" moves. Durham actually turned out to be a little more injury prone than previous, and Alfatso was, of course, done. But it didn't work out - I think you can attribute this one to some bad luck as well.
Before anyone cries foul on Alfonzo: His 4 years with NYM prior to SF (ages 25-28!)
1999 .304 .385 .502
2000 .324 .425 .542
2001 .243 .322 .403
2002 .308 .391 .459
Now 2001 was Felizzirific, but that's some hitting.
Much more likely that he was lucky a few times, and became convinced of his own infallibility.
by zenbitz on Apr 6, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I've often said that I thought he got lucky with the Kent trade because while it obviously was sucessful it was successful in a very different way than Sabean intended. He thought he was trading a single superstar for a lot of quality depth. What he actually did was trade a fading superstar for a superstar on the come and a lot of worthless excess parts. In other words, the trade was like Grant's description of Benitez 2004 season with all it's poor peripherals -- not a bad season, but a great season unlikely to be repeated.
by Roger on Apr 6, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I was thinking last night that this lineup looks just as lame as the 2005 and 2006 lineups. Let's get Winn and Feliz more bench time. Throw Linden in there, get Klesko some at bats and put Aurilia at 3B. Come on Boch, get a little freaky!
by out machine on Apr 5, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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That said, while you are right about the many Giants pitchers who have failed to develop, Matt Cain, Joe Nathan and to some extent Noah Lowry have come along well. With guys like Scott Munter and Brad Hennessey, it was easy to see from their poor K/BB ratios that each was headed for trouble.
And Brad didn't pitch badly last night, despite taking the loss.
by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by The Gene Hackman on Apr 5, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Apr 5, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by DrBGiantsfan on Apr 6, 2007 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Apr 6, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Given the love in these parts for everything Omar, I don't think he's going to have to many chances this season to respond to criticsm of his royal dreaminess.
by Goofus on Apr 6, 2007 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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1) It sucks to be a Gigantes fan in San Diego right now. For those who are unfamiliar, you will NEVER find a more fairweather group of fans than here in ole SD. It's pathetic. I'm surprised they haven't started selling Padre window flags at 7-11 after the first two wins. Plus, my boss has had season tix since the Jack Murphy days, and comes in every morning, sticks his head into my office and says "you guys suck." Great way to start the day.
2)OK, I'm an idiot or missed a page in the Grantlossary, can someone explain the "special agent" JT reference to me. Wait. JT. Hmmm. I hate the dancing JT. Maybe there is a correlation b/c I am not a huge SAJT fan right now
3) I think Barry and Matt both looked pretty good and am not worried. What I am dreading, though, is the Lowry/Morris/Ortiz threesome. Ick. I mean, spots in the rotation. Give me some sunshine, Noah!!
by DiegoGiant on Apr 5, 2007 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Flag Player
Alfonzo comes up, quick first out, boom, boom, boom. Turn off the TV. Light's out. Say Prayers. Climb into bed. Get a goodnight's rest, and wake up feeling great.
by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Apr 5, 2007 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by ololo3 on Apr 5, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Bonds rules btw. At least watching him will be fun.
by Poe on Apr 5, 2007 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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If you subscribe to the theory that you'll win a third of your games no matter what and lose a third no matter what and it's what you do in the other third that really counts, last night's game was not a good thing.
Opening Day and Mr Peavy's performance were probably an inevitable loss, but last night's game was one of those other, close game that the team needs to win a majority of.
by Goofus on Apr 5, 2007 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by mjrboredom on Apr 5, 2007 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Why would anyone bat Barry third? I would actually prefer to see him bat leadoff instead of third. At least that way he WOULD get a significant number of added plate appearances -- say maybe 45 or so extra on the season. And we would be assured that if the opposition walked Barry in the first inning he would have over a 40% chance of scoring. When he comes to the plate with TWO outs and no one on, opponents can walk him with only a 13% chance of his scoring.
by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But he still didn't get the save.
by jtoj on Apr 5, 2007 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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http://giantsbaseballblog.blogspot.com/
by trecole696 on Apr 5, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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That said, our seats last night were near the Giants' bullpen, and it sure is impressive to see that guy throw a baseball.
by Grundy on Apr 5, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Why not give Todd Linden a shot? This Winn hitting 8th thing is crippling the line-up, as is Pedro Feliz, as is no productivity out of first base, as is...
by Kid Fresh on Apr 5, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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