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Opening Day was a template for how the Giants were going to be terrible. No offense, no bullpen, and a little starting pitching -- it was bad baseball. Wednesday's game was almost a template on how the Giants could expect to win. Matt Cain looked great. Bonds's batting eye is still the best in the game, and you know he's going well when the home runs are going out to left-center. There were a couple of clutch hits and walks...

And yet....

  • When the Giants hired Bochy, I asked GasLampBall what they could pass on about Bochy. The condensed version: He ain't bad, but his obsession with platoon advantages is annoying. He's like Mr. Burns in the "Simpsons" episode where Homer is sent up to bat instead of Darryl Strawberry because of a lefty/righty match-up.

    So, of course, Bochy sends Eliezer Alfonzo up instead of Todd Linden to pinch hit against Trevor Hoffman. Uh. What? Either Linden ate some hamachi he found floating in the clubhouse spa and spent the ninth inning in the restroom, or Bochy is still trying to find his sea legs with his new roster. Unless the pitcher is a garbage-time lefty, Alfonzo is a guy you send up in the 16th inning because you've already used Noah Lowry.

    Bochy must know something about Hoffman that we don't. A crippling fear of "z"s? No excuse is a good excuse for this one. Eliezer Alfonzo? Against Trevor Hoffman? If there's ever a Dowd Report II, moves like that will be listed on the jacket cover.

  • Cain looked great. It means nothing that he gave up a couple of homers Schilling-style. He walked one, and it happened to come right before one of the three or so hard-hit balls of the game. Heck, the curve before the 3-2 pitch should have been a strike, but the umpire was being equally ignorant for both teams, so it doesn't make much sense to put too much blame on questionable calls. Cain will get Cy Young votes if he continues to throw this well.
  • Benitez looked pretty good. Every pitcher is going to have a bad inning, but it's clear that Benitez isn't allowed to. When he walked a hitter after a legitimately tough battle, the crowd started to boo. I'm not a huge Benitez fan, but come on. Save the boos for when they're really, really deserved. Benitez throwing 93 and getting swing throughs with his breaking stuff isn't exactly time to chew the guy out. There will be other chances for that. There'd better be; I have more Benitez-related Photoshops than anyone else.
  • Hennessey is a reliever is a reliever is a reliever. He throws harder in relief. His sinker does more. His slider does more. Stop. The experiment has ended. We've figured it out. Our long national nightmare is over. He does not want to be moved between roles. Stop it. Keep him there.

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I concur with all points.

just that damn jack taschner.

Because you can't replace production like 22 home runs. My adopted Giant: Pedro Feliz

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Apr 4, 2007 10:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Now, now.  I realize I wasn't there to be able to give Jack the support he needed during last night's game, but that's no reason to damn the man for one non-superb performance.  Jack'll come around; he's just got to finish his special agent duties saving America and then he'll be able to turn his full attention to pitching.
I've got your back, Special Agent Jack Taschner.

by Larson2042 on Apr 5, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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For some reason I'm not completely devastated by this loss. Maybe it has to do with it still being early in the season or it just hasn't set in yet. Although I can say for sure that Taschner isn't on my "cool" list.
Mandowear | comics | Sugarman FTW

by Natto on Apr 4, 2007 10:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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OK Grant, get off that high horse of yours already.  I'm running laps around you with the Benitez-related Photoshops!  Don't make me prove it to you.  

As for the G-men...soooooo not interested in anything with this team.  I feel bad for Cain that he has a dominating kind of night, and gets zero support for the W.  I'm trying to give up this drinking habit of mine...ok...well maybe I'm just wanting to slow down a bit.  If the boys keep playing 5-6 inning games then being a bunch o' deadbeats for the remaining 3-4 innings, I'll fall off that wagon real quick like.  

Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 4, 2007 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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but why pull an alou and give henny the quick yank?

bochy was famous in sd for role playing his pen

i know our pen has been awful...but cant he just try it for a bit?

by bacci40 on Apr 4, 2007 11:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Putting in Notgardo didn't really make sense, because if nothing else you want to get a baserunner on.  OBP will never be his specialty.  Either Linden or put Frandsen in and tell him to crowd the plate.  

Other than the tater that Taschner gave up he looked pretty good IMO.  He was around the zone.  Tasch relies on working the extreme outside corner and the UMP wasn't calling the outside strike.  I'll take this Taschner over the early 06 version any day.  

Also Benitez looked good. I didn't realize the crowd was booing Benitez, I thought they were booing two questionable calls by the ump that allowed the runner to walk.  Either way Benitez looked just as good as Meredith, Linebrink or the Hoff.  

Vizquel is looking sharp.  He's hitting line drives and they're just going to the wrong place.  But sooner or later those are going to fall in.  Roberts had a couple great shots, too.  Durham isn't looking hot.  Molina looks like Notgardo with better eye hand coordination.  It's too bad there's not a legit hitter to hit behind Bonds.  

Zealously advocating for Nate the Great since 2007.

by orangeandblackattack on Apr 4, 2007 11:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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"...or put Frandsen in and tell him to crowd the plate."  

I like this strategy a lot.  "Hey Kevin, his change-up is 75 mph...take one for the team!:

you can't handle the truth or Ryan Klesko!

by Goofus on Apr 5, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Kevin still doesn't have much of an idea of how to draw a walk (probably in part because he is cursed with the "blessing" of making contact well), but he surely knows how to run into a baseball.  He does so better than any Giants second baseman since Ron (still in the) Hunt.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I couldn't believe he used Alfonzo in that spot. You're dying for a baserunner to get the tying run up there in Bonds, and he uses a guy who doesn't walk. That was the first move he has made that bugged me. Bochy's time on my shit list didn't last long though, as he's benching Feliz tonight to play Klesko. More of that, please!!
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves:280

by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Mr. Taschner, sir, here's your ticket, sir.  Yes, sir, it does say "Fresno."
  Actually, I think there are some bats behind Bonds.  True, Aurelia hasn't gotten untracked, yet, but both Durham and Molina have gotten hits both nights.  Actually, I think Molina's O has been pretty steady - he puts his bat on the ball, hits line drives.  That bases loaded line out to center was not stung, but it was well hit.
  I agree completely with the idea of leading off the 0th with Linden or Frandsen.  Alfonzo should be saved to pitch the 21st inning.  I am glad he is using Klesko to PH.  I liked his working for the BB - very unPedro like.  BTS, as I [posted earlier, who was that that pinch hit for Feliz and knocked in the run?  That was a nice at bat.  Someone should sshow that film to Feliz - maybe he'll learn something.

by allfrank on Apr 4, 2007 11:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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It seems to me that Durham's been a notorious slow starter since we signed him. He'll slowly get better until about June, and then suddenly he'll hit the snot out of the ball for two and a half months.

That's my diagnosis.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 5, 2007 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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In his first two Aprils with the Giants Ray hit .293/.407/.480/.887 and .284/.333/.446/.779.  You are remembering primarily his last two seasons.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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i appreciated Feliz's 2 out rbi, although his other at bats were awful as usual.

Molina reminds me a lot of Feliz, swinging wildly at offspeed outside and in the dirt, and first pitch popping out with runners on (his at bat early in the game not the one allfrank was talking about)

I've been suffering from post traumatic stress disorder ever since Game 6.

by April3rdLifeBegins on Apr 4, 2007 11:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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The difference between Molina and Feliz is that Molina only looks clueless against right-handed pitching. He's the hitting version of an idiot-savant with a southpaw on the mound.
Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Apr 5, 2007 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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The best managers have generally been shown to be the ones who platoon the most, so I have no quarrel if Bochy does a lot of platooning.  In fact, he may not be healthy enough, but I would have preferred to see Ryan Klesko in the lineup against righthanded pitches.

Bruce must have thought Eliezer Alfonzo enjoyed some sort of edge over Trevor Hoffman, since Bruce would know Trevor about as well as anyone.  But as someone already posted, when you need a base runner, Edgardo would seem to be one of the LAST guys you would send up.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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"I would have preferred to see Ryan Klesko in the lineup against righthanded pitches."

I couldn't agree more!  My boy has an OBP of .500, for chrissakes!

you can't handle the truth or Ryan Klesko!

by Goofus on Apr 5, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I agree that Cain looked sharp: I think even at his best he's going to be victimized by the longball just because he works off the high fastball.

If he keeps throwing that curveball more and more often he'll be even better; it's just absurd to see how much success he's had using basically one pitch with any consistency.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Apr 5, 2007 1:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Niether Tachner nor Sanchez earned an MLB roster spot this spring. Tis confirmed: Bochy is a left-righty fetishist.
Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Apr 5, 2007 5:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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How do you know what it takes to earn a roster spot?  While it might have been due to limited choices, clearly the Giants thought the two lefties won spots.  Taschner is a fringe reliever, but Jonathan is one of the Giants top prospects.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Well you can't blame him. He didn't get to use any LHP while with San Diego.
Mandowear | comics | Sugarman FTW

by Natto on Apr 5, 2007 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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The problem is that none of the righty candidates earned spots either.
"Yep, I'm a Dodger hater" - Kevin Frandsen

by EliminateMe on Apr 5, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bochy's Moves
I sort of understand bringing the LHP in to face Gonzalez.  Probably 90% of today's managers would do that.  I'm just thinking that Taschner should have been used to mop up game 1, saving Kline for a potentially closer game last night, not that Kline is any sure thing.  He probably would have been a better choice.  Seems like Kline should have been able to go again last night in a night game following a day game.

Using Alfonzo as the PH to lead off the ninth is simply incomprehensible unless Linden is hurt or something.  I just gasped when I saw Notgardo's name come up on Gameday.

by DrBGiantsfan on Apr 5, 2007 7:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I realize this seems shocking, but when one considers that last season Steve Kline gave up 7.2 more inherited runs than the average pitcher would have and was bailed out to the tune of 6.1 runs by his own relievers, Steves'"true" performance last season was around six runs per nine innings.

Steve hasn't been very good EITHER of the past two seasons.  I don't see him as having closer potential.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cain
looked good.  what bothered me was that he got rattled by the HR and started missing his spots.  That's what, IMO, led to the walk to Sledge and the meat he served to Giles. Good thing that he didn't get tagged with the loss.  Bad news for Hennessey that he did, when it was really SAJ's fault.
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Apr 5, 2007 7:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Twas a bummer to drop another to the Fathers, but I still had a freaking ball at the game last night. As mentioned above, Cainer looked good, Hennessey threw well, Mando wasn't a complete failure, and the Bonds home run was exciting. I'm also loving Dave Roberts at leadoff.

Most of my enjoyment came from screaming at Mike Cameron from the fourth row of the bleachers. One crazy mofo kept it up all night. Mob mentality, sure, but it was fun. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 5, 2007 8:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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If your enjoyment for the night came from screaming at a player, you might want to pay your therapist a visit.  The player may also be visiting his as a result of your actions.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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This way I work through my rage issues at a much cheaper rate than paying a therapist. Plus, therapists usually don't serve garlic fries. It's win-win for everybody but the visiting centerfielder, but who cares about him anyway? He's a bum.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 5, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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You're right.  Therapists DON'T usually serve garlic fries.  But, imagine if one of them did.  Who wouldn't feel more comfortable pouring their heart out to a stranger if they were chomping down a hearty serving of garlic fries while doing it?  It's a million dollar idea.

by ololo3 on Apr 5, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I think you're on to something here.  :)

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is one thing to stink
over the course of a couple of months. Or even over a season. Even Bonds, Mays had down seasons. Injuries, personal issues, or just no reason at all.

But c'mon. Feliz? Molina looks like Notgardo2 or Feliz-Heavy against righties. Aurelia is I guess a little better than the Niekro/Hindenburg. Roberts in place of Alou?  We are looking at a third consecutive season of Kansas City by the Bay.

From what it looks like through ST and the first couple of games is that the position player side of the equation is about as unchanged as the NY Yankees over the last 3 years. The Giants have stayed with  Feliz Vizquel Durham  Snow/Niekroburg in the infield and Bonds Winn/Roberts Alou/Finley in the outfield and AJ/Matheny/Notgardo behind the dish during the last 3 years.  Not a lot of turnover here. The kind of non-turnover one expects from a good team doing a good job of retaining key players with hefty contracts.

The Yankees have stayed with Posada, Giambi, Cano, Jeter, A-Rod, Matsui, Williams/Damon Sheffield in the outfield. Again, the kind of non-turnover one expects from a good team doing a good job of retaining key players with hefty contracts. And like the Giants with Bonds and Alou, the Yankees lost major playing time with Sheffield and Matsui. But that is where the similarity ends.

Heres the simplest kind of offensive comparison--Runs Scored

         Giants     Yankees
2006     746         930
2005     649         886
2004     850         897

The Yankees won the division in each of those three years. Now the Giants actually went 91 and 71 in 2004, then finished near the bottom with sub .500 seasons in a weak division. Barry was actually  himself in the second half of 2006 as evidenced by the bump in Run Production.  So, you can imagine what this looks like without Barry in the equation.  Both of these teams have locked up their starters with long term contracts. If you are the Yankees, I can understand why. They produce a hell of a lot a runs and play pretty good defense, and have won their division in each of those 3 years.  

If you are the Giants, I have not a clue as to why anybody other than Bonds would have a contract longer than 10 minutes. And people are bitching about his ONE YEAR CONTRACT?  He's the only fucking legitimate Major League Starter on this team. This team scores no runs. Last night and the day before were just a continuation of the anemia that is the Giants offense. I like Omar and all that. He's a nice number 8 hitter, and still plays legit defense. Durham is a nice 6 hitter. Other than that, only Bonds is a legit run producer in the 3 or 4 hole.  Not counting the pitcher, the Giants have essentially plugged the other 5 lineup spots with bench players.  Other than Bonds, Nobody on the Giants starts for the Yankees. Only Durham even earns a bench spot probably.

Now of course the Yankees spend a lot more.  But that is not the point. The point is the Giants have spent a ton of money on bench players and tried to make starters out of them. Its not an age thing, its a talent thing.  Whether its homegrown (Niekro, Linden, Torcatto, Frandsen, Ellison, Feliz, etc)  or acquired (AJ, Matheny, Alou, Edgardo, Durham, Hindenburg, Winn, Finley, Sweeny, Roberts, Green, etc.) these guys are basically bench players on any team that the Giants would ever hope to meet in the playoffs.

This is clearly on management and ownership equally. Five million dollars per year to Pedro Feliz. Unbelievable. Multi-year no trade contract for millions to Winn, Matheny. Unbelievable.

I don't even want to start in on the insanity of the pitching staff composition.  And I think the Giants realize this.  

I think that they are going to ride this thing out until at least the end of May...about a 1/4 to 1/3 of the season. And then try and do something. Too little too late.

As for the pitching staff. Again, we have young guys who are going backwards, or are not progressing. Munter came up, looked okay, then has backslid ever since. Same with Taschner, Hennessey, Wilson, Sanchez, Correia, Accardo. Its like the organization keeps changing its mind on what and how to utilize these guys' talents to give them the best opportunity to succeed. They fucked up with Nathan, Aardsma, Jerome Williams, Liriano, Bonser, all in the last couple of years.

If there is an organization that is about as clueless as Kansas City and Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh right now, its this one. The tragic difference is that the Giants have tons of money and unbelievable fan support, and the best player to ever play the game. As Chester Riley used to say: "What a revolting development this is."

I still think they're good for almost 80 wins this year though.

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
Yes I know Shef is with the Tigers and Williams is out, at least temp. Sheff replaced by Abreu. The point is that both rosters are as locked down as any in MLB. The difference is one is a perennial division winner in the best division in MLB and the other is life-and-death to finish out of last place in one of the weakest in MLB.  Do you think ownership and management are not on the same page?

Like maybe I've been right all along about Magowan being a meddler?  Or did Sabaen get stupid coincidental with the sacking of Dusty Baker?

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
He didn't get stupid, he stopped getting lucky.

by zenbitz on Apr 5, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I know in a general sense your thoughts, but could you refresh my memory please?
Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
All of his major "swindles"
Williams -> Kent "I am not an idiot"
Watson -> JT Snow
Rios+Volglesong -> Schmidt

FA signings:
Santiago, Burks

Endless swapping of B-prospects for B-veterans

I am probably missing a few too - but there was no reason to think any of these were particularly brilliant.  One could argue that his brilliance was seeing what no one else could see - BUT if so, where did that brilliance go.

I actually thought replacing Kent with Durham+Alfonzo was one of his "smarter" moves.  Durham actually turned out to be a little more injury prone than previous, and Alfatso was, of course, done.  But it didn't work out - I think you can attribute this one to some bad luck as well.

Before anyone cries foul on Alfonzo:  His 4 years with NYM prior to SF (ages 25-28!)

 1999  .304  .385  .502  
 2000  .324  .425  .542
 2001  .243  .322  .403
 2002  .308  .391  .459

Now 2001 was Felizzirific, but that's some hitting.

Much more likely that he was lucky a few times, and became convinced of his own infallibility.

by zenbitz on Apr 6, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Burks was actually not a FA pick up, but rather his best trade IMO. We got him for Daryl Hamilton.  Of course, that led directly to one of Sabes more ridiculous contract extionsions (Bernard), but what can you do.

I've often said that I thought he got lucky with the Kent trade because while it obviously was sucessful it was successful in a very different way than Sabean intended. He thought he was trading a single superstar for a lot of quality depth. What he actually did was trade a fading superstar for a superstar on the come and a lot of worthless excess parts. In other words, the trade was like Grant's description of Benitez 2004 season with all it's poor peripherals -- not a bad season, but a great season unlikely to be repeated.

by Roger on Apr 6, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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You are making some sense with your points.  Of late, I am especially concerned about talent evaluation and lack of foresight in some of the trades they have made. I wouldn't mind having Accardo, Aardsma, Hensley, etc...in our pen  I can almost forgive Linebrink for Doug Henry given the goal of the playoffs but the last three years, this team has had no business trying to "make a run" with deals for veterans.  Sabean's last several trades and signings have been disasters and I wonder whether he will have to go if they don't perform better this year.

I was thinking last night that this lineup looks just as lame as the 2005 and 2006 lineups.  Let's get Winn and Feliz more bench time. Throw Linden in there, get Klesko some at bats and put Aurilia at 3B. Come on Boch, get a little freaky!

by out machine on Apr 5, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Well, I don't think its freaky. I think that is exactly what he will do about 1/3 of the way through the season if these guys (Fleas-Winn) continue as they did last year. But that is something that should have happened last year about July.
Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think, E.  :)  The good news with Tim Lincecum is that Dick Tidrow has prohibited Giants personnel from messing with his mechanics.  That makes it hard for them to screw him up.  :)

That said, while you are right about the many Giants pitchers who have failed to develop,  Matt Cain, Joe Nathan and to some extent Noah Lowry have come along well.  With guys like Scott Munter and Brad Hennessey, it was easy to see from their poor K/BB ratios that each was headed for trouble.

And Brad didn't pitch badly last night, despite taking the loss.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Well, I'm one of those contrarians that believe pitching is like a three legged stool. Conditioning, Mechanics and Mental Toughness. You cannot be mentally tough when your mechanics are out of whack. You can't have consistent, efficient mechanics when you're a tub of goo. And you can't be in peak physical condition without the mental discipline and toughness to get and stay in shape.  Pull out one of the legs and the stool collapses, as inseperable as the upper and lower colons. And when torn asunder, the stench is comparable.  When it comes to pitching evaluation,  training and performance, it appears the Giants Organization is in dire need of a colostomy
Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 5, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
Should we call you "Scatman E" now?
"I used to be cruel to my feliz. I beat him and kept him apart from the things that he loves..."

by The Gene Hackman on Apr 5, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
and that hit Brad gave up was tainted as well. I know most Giant fans refuse to admit it, but his 40 year old lack of range played a part in that rally. Alot of shortstops would have come up with that Giles ground ball. Omar handles everything he gets to, but his range is declining rapidly. That is something to think about when negotiating a possible extension.
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves:280

by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
My adopted son would like me to ask you how many Gold Gloves you've won Mr. Rxmeister?  None you say?!?  Well how 'bout a nice glass of shut the hell up then?
Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 5, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Hey, what was that for?  I thought he made a valid point.  He isn't the first person to point out Omar's declining range.

by DrBGiantsfan on Apr 6, 2007 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
I wouldn't be doing my fatherly duty if I wasn't standing up for my boy.  Besides...have I mentioned that he's won 11 Gold Gloves?
Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 6, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It is one thing to stink
Section 3 Article 4 of the adoption rules requires the adopter to defend the adoptee in the face of any criticism, regardless of it's validity.

Given the love in these parts for everything Omar, I don't think he's going to have to many chances this season to respond to criticsm of his royal dreaminess.

you can't handle the truth or Ryan Klesko!

by Goofus on Apr 6, 2007 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Incidentally, pretty darn good analysis here, E!

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Three things:
1) It sucks to be a Gigantes fan in San Diego right now. For those who are unfamiliar, you will NEVER find a more fairweather group of fans than here in ole SD. It's pathetic. I'm surprised they haven't started selling Padre window flags at 7-11 after the first two wins.  Plus, my boss has had season tix since the Jack Murphy days, and comes in every morning, sticks his head into my office and says "you guys suck." Great way to start the day.
2)OK, I'm an idiot or missed a page in the Grantlossary, can someone explain the "special agent" JT reference to me. Wait. JT. Hmmm. I hate the dancing JT. Maybe there is a correlation b/c I am not a huge SAJT fan right now
3) I think Barry and Matt both looked pretty good and am not worried. What I am dreading, though, is the Lowry/Morris/Ortiz threesome. Ick. I mean, spots in the rotation. Give me some sunshine, Noah!!  
Hack Leonard could beat up Chuck Norris

by DiegoGiant on Apr 5, 2007 8:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I believe Lefty was the guy who named Jack.
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Apr 5, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I also liked the patience of the Giants' hitters. That's certainly a welcome change from Giants' teams of the last few years. Starting pitchers aren't going to be getting to the eighth and ninth innings anymore with 70 pitches. Feliz' fishing expeditions at the plate are now the exception on this team rather than the rule.
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves:280

by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The White Flag Player
I for one am glad that Bochy is smart enough to know when a game in over and kept a player of the caliber of Eliezer Alfonzo on the team to designate the waving of the white flag.
Alfonzo comes up, quick first out, boom, boom, boom. Turn off the TV. Light's out. Say Prayers. Climb into bed. Get a goodnight's rest, and wake up feeling great.

by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Apr 5, 2007 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: The White Flag Player
That works on nights when the game actually is over, not a game where one base runner gets Bonds to the plate as the tying run.

by ololo3 on Apr 5, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
I agree that Cain looked good, especially considering he mostly used only a fastball. I also have to believe there was some good reason for the Notgardo appearance. Bochy has to know something... anything... I dunno. Maybe he lost some kind of bet with notgardo?

Bonds rules btw. At least watching him will be fun.

My VORP is higher than Merkin's VORP.

by Poe on Apr 5, 2007 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
My discouragment after opening day was only slightenly lessened and here's why:

If you subscribe to the theory that you'll win a third of your games no matter what and lose a third no matter what and it's what you do in the other third that really counts, last night's game was not a good thing.

Opening Day and Mr Peavy's performance were probably an inevitable loss, but last night's game was one of those other, close game that the team needs to win a majority of.

you can't handle the truth or Ryan Klesko!

by Goofus on Apr 5, 2007 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I think the Giants will win alot of games like that, but a game that comes down to a battle of the bullpens is going to be tough for the Giants to win when they're playing the Padres. I think our bullpen will get better as the year goes on, but it will never be Meredith-Linebrink-Hoffman. The key to this game wasn't Taschner's gopher ball, because that was pretty much expected. To beat the Padres, our starting pitching has to get the early lead and maintain it. The game was lost when Matt Cain had that little hiccup in the fifth inning. And I'm certainly not absolving Taschner. You simply cannot be a major league lefthander if you are giving up homeruns to lefthanded hitters. Even Jeff Fassero didn't do that!!
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves:280

by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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The line-up won't be effective if Bonds stays in the 3 hole.  Does anybody here believe that Durham-Aurilia-Molina-Feliz-Winn (in that order, mind you) can be counted on for any amount of consistent offensive production?  This Orange and Black soul doesn't think so.  The prospect of Aurilia batting 3rd was scary before the season, watching him bat 5th during the season is much, much worse.

by mjrboredom on Apr 5, 2007 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
In just two games, Barry has already come to bat with two outs and no one no -- his LEAST threatening situation -- no fewer than three times, including twice in the rather predictable (just over 40% of the time) first inning situation.

Why would anyone bat Barry third?  I would actually prefer to see him bat leadoff instead of third.  At least that way he WOULD get a significant number of added plate appearances -- say maybe 45 or so extra on the season.  And we would be assured that if the opposition walked Barry in the first inning he would have over a 40% chance of scoring.  When he comes to the plate with TWO outs and no one on, opponents can walk him with only a 13% chance of his scoring.

by sharksrog on Apr 5, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
Benitez looked real good yesterday. I think i may stop booing him......

But he still didn't get the save.

by jtoj on Apr 5, 2007 12:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
Despite his stuff, he gave up the Benitez special- one hit and one walk. He's very reliable with that, by the way. So he needs to work on cracking the WHIP.
"Personally, I think we got hosed on that call." -Harry Doyle; Minor Izzy

by hairball on Apr 5, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
The walk didn't really bother me that much considering the situation at the moment, but the hit did make me nervous.
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by Natto on Apr 5, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
I was pretty much wrong about everything I thought would happen these first two games, but the one thing I was right about was my expections that Benitez would throw harder in a regular season game than he was throwing in spring training. At 93-94 mph combined with his offspeed stuff he should have a pretty good year. The only things that can stop him are his head and his health.
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves:280

by rxmeister on Apr 5, 2007 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
I am not worried about Benitez, it's the guys in between him and the starters that need the attention. No way should Jack Tashcner ever be put in with the game on the line. Bochy can't work matchups with this bullpen, he needs to just stick with the hot hand.

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by trecole696 on Apr 5, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
I'm still worried about Benitez. Preseason, two runs down...no problem. When he protects a couple of one-run leads, then I will start feeling more confident.

That said, our seats last night were near the Giants' bullpen, and it sure is impressive to see that guy throw a baseball.

by Grundy on Apr 5, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 0-2
Roberts-Vizquel-Durham-Bonds-Linden-Klesko-Molina-Aurilia.

Why not give Todd Linden a shot? This Winn hitting 8th thing is crippling the line-up, as is Pedro Feliz, as is no productivity out of first base, as is...

Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Apr 5, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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