Bleah.
As a joke, the I'm-taping-the-game-so-don't-tell-me-score-gag has been done. "Seinfeld", Fever Pitch, and "Scrubs" all did it well, so I won't bore you with the details of my day. All I wanted was to get home without knowing the final score, and I accomplished that after several trials. But when I got there, right before I was about to start the game, I picked up a text message from my phone:
"Gettin ugly"
Then you have to start wondering what constitutes "Gettin ugly." Is gettin ugly something that you could possibly text someone in the ninth inning of a tie game? Or does it mean that the Giants are blowing the other team out soooooo bad that you actually start to worry about the fragile psyches of the other team?
Nope. It means what it means. Gettin ugly. Willie McGee in a diaper ugly. So it begins.
- Barry Zito doesn't look odd in a Giants uniform. It works. Ryan Klesko looks freaky. I like the signing, but it doesn't work. As long as he keeps hitting into first-pitch double plays, though, he'll eventually fit in just fine.
- Pedro Feliz is still my least favorite player to watch from the past decade. The line between rational dislike and irrational hatred is now completely indistinguishable in my own mind. Is Cla Meredith good enough to get other hitters to chase that 3-2 sinker nine feet off the plate? Or is Feliz just that bad and there is no hope and the team is doomed and I can't believe this team really plans to give him 600 plate appearances? Feliz is a complete failure of imagination on the part of any general manager who thinks he could be of any use to a starting lineup.
- Heath Bell would probably be our best reliever.
- The game in summary: The bullpen wasn't good, the lineup was awful, the bazillion-dollar ace was okay-not-great, and I don't like watching Pedro Feliz play baseball. That has the potential to be a season in summary.
- I hate the overreacting that comes with Opening Day, but I can't help it. Wipe the pain from our mind like a fifth of scotch, Matt Cain.
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Did anybody really expect anything else out of this bullpen? It has been neglected by sabean for the last 2 years.
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by NearestNorwich on Apr 3, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
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On a cheerier note. Just watched Jorge Julio face 6 batters from the Nats. Gave up 5 hits and recorded 1 out in giving up 3 runs in B9 blowing a save and losing 7 to 6 to the Expos, the worst team in baseball.
by E Ticket on Apr 4, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The Italian Motorcycle Guy...
"What's behind me...is not important."
by victor frankenstein on Apr 3, 2007 8:07 PM PDT reply actions
That is really bizarre.....
It also reminds me of a John Wooden quote, where he mentioned that he NEVER prepared for his opponent. Only worked on his team's execution.
I don't know if any of this applies to the Giants, however.
by GiantJim on Apr 4, 2007 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Today sucked
I know for me this game has a crash feeling to it because I was so amped up going into it. But baseball is a long season. Best to stay at an even keel...until the drinking problem resurfaces, anyway.
I'll completely forget about today's game when Matt Cain throws his first pitch tomorrow. I'm already forgetting about it. Cain is the team's best pitcher. If he gets any offense behind him, he could win 17 or 18 games this year. And that is something to look forward to.
by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 3, 2007 8:10 PM PDT reply actions
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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 4, 2007 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
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I liked what I saw out of Sanchez. Other than his wild pitch, he was around the strike zone. The pitch that gave up the walk was a perfect strike, I thought. Only time will tell, but I'm guessing today was just a lot of bad luck for him.
Correia seemed to be hanging either a breaking ball or fastball high up in the zone. Also the gun showed his fastball topping out at 89 -- too low for an effective short relief pitcher.
Feliz looked awful. He might be a very nice guy but he has no business starting at 3rd base in the major leagues. We had to listen to all the bullshit about how he'd changed his approach, how he'd learned disipline, blah, blah, blah. The guy had a lower OBP than batting average in the spring. I don't think in his case it's an issue of discipline. Most people cannot tell the difference between a slider and a fastball in 2/10 of a second, and Feliz is no different. Too bad major leaguers aren't most people.
A lot of bad breaks today. How the G-men hit against a stud like Peavy isn't really a good indication of how good or bad this team is. Better luck Manana.
by orangeandblackattack on Apr 3, 2007 8:31 PM PDT reply actions
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If the team is anything like it was last year when getting dominated by studs like Livan "62-on-the-gun" Hernandez and Jamie "I-don't-need-no-stinking-62-on-the-gun" Moyer seemed like everyday fare, I'm not even sure if Peavy had to be on his game today to do what he did.
Evidence that Peavy was off his game: Didn't go 9.
I'll be optimistic as soon as I wake up in the morning, but right now this team looks a heck of a lot like last year's group.
by howtheyscored on Apr 3, 2007 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 3, 2007 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
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Well, actually, now looking at that box score, it's pretty close to the same...hmmm..well, I just know I feel less disappointed this time because we seemed to play like the Royals. Wait. They played better than us yesterday. Ugh.
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Zito works slow
Pedro for the record laidoff the first 2 pitches of the season, before swinging at a slider away in the dirt...
Barry stealing a bag is scary, I worry about his knees
It was both nice and sad to see all the oldtimers.
Lots and lots of cellphones (shall we ban them?) no chance at AT@T ...
Offense we don't need no stinking offense.
by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Apr 3, 2007 8:39 PM PDT reply actions
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Indeed...I was watching on television and actually lurched out of my seat in shock upon seeing John Montefusco barrel through the gate. He looked like a barcolounger upholstered in a Giants jersey. Then I had to wipe a tear away when Willie Mac reached for those crutches. I knew it was coming, since I had heard about his kneee problems, but to see him actually need assistance was pretty stirring.
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"I'll show all those bastards that say I won't lay off the 1st pitch! Ha! I'll really show them by laying off the 2nd pitch, too! Double ha! There, now that that's out of the way, I'll go back to my old hacktastic ways for the rest of the season."
And for anyone that went to the game...
Weak parking situation.
Weak bullpen.
Weak lineup.
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PS: Watching Zito wasn't that bad. He could have gone longer, but they opted to pinch-hit for him the inning after Fleas' booted double play ball. Not only was the run that scored unearned, but it sure was a momentum killer. Which further concreted my hatred for Pedro.
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by PacBellBoozer on Apr 3, 2007 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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I guess there's also some parking available in 1 or 2 of the piers over by the McCovey statue.
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by PacBellBoozer on Apr 4, 2007 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
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But after seven years, they have established habits, which many of them will now need to change.
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by E Ticket on Apr 4, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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by PacBellBoozer on Apr 4, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
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http://nymag.com/nymetro/realestate/columns/realestate/11871/
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One month from now, we might notice the pitching staff has been putting up solid start after start.
Two months from now, we might take note of Padres' injury woes that allow all the other teams in the division to hang in, within four games of the lead.
Three and a half months from now, we might all rejoice as Sabean pulls off a F---in' A Trade, getting Adam Dunn to play first base, Ryan Freel to play right field, and Aaron Harang for the rotation. (A guy can dream...)
After all, nobody expects the Royals to win more than 75 games this season, no matter what Gil Meche did on Opening Day.
by David A. Arnott on Apr 4, 2007 12:13 AM PDT reply actions
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I saw what I felt was an intriguing analysis of the 2007 National League. It contained both good news and bad from a Giants standpoint.
The good news was that the analysis said it had been a long time since there seemed to be so much parity. It stated that aside from the Nationals and probably the Marlins, every other NL team had a shot. That's good for the Giants, since few observers would rank them at the top of the National League. It means that despite not being one of the elite teams, they have a shot -- since none of the NL teams looks to be truly elite.
But then the analysis dropped the hammer. It said that the best NL teams would likely be determined by their farm systems -- having players who can either step in or be traded to break the logjam of team parity. The Giants will indeed likely benefit from Tim Lincecum this season, and either Billy Sadler and/or Brian Wilson could contribute, but the Giants have very little trading fodder.
Yesterday Brian Sabean indicated the Giants could have had Richie Sexson. I don't know how much the Giants would have had to give to get him, but they would likely have been better served to spend money on a power hitter than on Barry Zito.
That the Giants could have had Sexson and didn't likely indicates a healthy reluctance to mortgage their future for today. Unfortunately, it also likely dooms the Giants to mediocrity for the rest of this decade.
That the Giants embarassingly were shut out in the season opener -- and at home, no less -- really doesn't mean much. That the Giants have virtually no young hitting truly does.
Angel Villalona, we Giants fans need you. You have no more than one year to develop. :)
Bullet points
--Pedro Feliz (expletive deleted)
--How about flipping Feliz and Winn in the order so we don't have three righties in a row?
--I was excited, wearing my Giants 2007 Spring Training T-Shirt and everything, but the game, well, it was boring.
--Seven years? Really?
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Considering Zito's April history, I thought it was a pretty good start.
What are the chances that Feliz is already out of that job? Maybe keeping Niekro/Sweeney was strategy for the "crap, Feliz is worse than ever, isn't he?" thing that Bochy and Sabean must have felt during spring training. I know, I know... the chances are right around zero. But a guy can dream.
by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2007 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
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Since Feliz re-signed as a free agent this offseason, I don't think the Giants can trade him until May 15. No idea what the DFA rules are.
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Which is giving them the month of April to save their jobs. I'm kinda thinkin that the next 20 games are "probationary" and management is hoping for Wilson to get his stuff together.
Maybe like you say, it plays out with Fleas out of a job, Aurelia to 3rd, Klesko/Niekro/ 1b, Wilson gets his command back while Mando pulls a Jorge Julio.
I kinda think that is Plan A.
Plan C is for Sabaen to shoot himself because there is no Plan B
by E Ticket on Apr 4, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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But when you give the biggest pitching contract in history to a guy, you probably would like to get someone who is in the top 10 pitchers in the game. In reality, Barry is no better than the third-best pitcher the Giants have. Really, would YOU trade either Tim Lincecum or Matt Cain for Barry? I certainly wouldn't.
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How did taxes get into this?
That's like going into a hole-in-the-wall restaurant , eating really, really good food, and then refusing to pay the $5 they want to charge you, instead insisting on $20 because you don't want to humiliate the chef.
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by PacBellBoozer on Apr 4, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Showcase for Lance
Same thing the fans were grumbling.
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Yes, he threw three scoreless innings in his five yesterday and will likely throw more scoreless innings this season than not. But the first two hitters coming up in the Padres sixth inning were Adrian Gonzalez and Josh Bard. The two previous innings in which both had batted were the two innings in which the Padres DID score against Barry. Specifically what did you expect to be different about the third time Barry faced them?
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He was just coming off of his best inning of the night, and hadn't even thrown 90 pitches. The chances that he would have pitches a scoreless inning seemed higher than the chances that the bullpen would pitch a scoreless inning, and with a runner on first, you could have had Zito bunt. A productive out, as opposed to Niekro's 3-pitch K, then another inning from a pitcher who seemed to be finding his groove.
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What I really don't understand is why he then chose to give away the at-bat by sending up Niekro, instead of Linden or Klesko.
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I wonder whether the lack of a fifth outfielder is already causing problems for Bochy. He may be leery of using Linden's bat, for fear that he'll have to send Feliz or Frandsen or Klesko to the outfield if he gets in a jam later (needing to pinch-hit for Roberts, for example).
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by theclap on Apr 4, 2007 1:45 AM PDT reply actions
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As Keith Olbermann mentioned yesterday on the Dan Patrick Show, in baseball you're going to lose 54 games no matter what, and you're going to win 54 games no matter what; it's what happens in the other 54 games that counts. I guess we can put this first one in the "lose anyway" category and hope for the best in the future. But our offseason/preseason concerns (not enough offense and weak relief pitching) seem to be borne out.
Go Matt!
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by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Apr 4, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Microcosm
Part of me wants to launch into an extended rant detailing Sabean's descent from Executive of the Year to him being a serious candidate for worst GM in baseball, but we all know the story: The failure to find even decent power hitters for RF and 1B. The AJ trade. Forfeiting draft picks for the Michael Tuckers of the world. Shelling out big, longterm contracts for pitchers who are, at least statistically, on the downsides of their careers. Going for quantity over quality in the FA market. Unimaginative, methodical filling of holes with overpriced, yet mediocre FA's are just a few of his transgressions.
The blame for this sad state of affairs lies equally with ownership. If they have lost enough faith in Brian Sabean to hang his continued tenure on the outcome of this season, they should have fired him immediately after the end of last season. If they didn't like the last two Giants teams, they should have fired him as soon as they looked at the roster he ended this offseason with, preferably before he risked the next 10 years on a pitcher who could arguably be several years past the peak of his career. If spring training wasn't enough to convince them, yesterday probably didn't either. I really came as no surprise. This team has no power, no bullpen, a suspect rotation and a weak farm system. It ain't going anywhere!
There is still plenty of time for Brian Sabean to F...up this team even worse than he already has before the end of the year: Time to draft college RHP's in the first round of a draft that is weak for college RHP's, but strong on HS hitters. Time to trade Jonathan Sanchez and Brian Wilson for a Shea Hillenbrand clone at the trade deadline when we are below .500 but only 5 games off the pace. For better or worse, there is little Brian Sabean can do to alter the outcome of this season. He's put the team together. He can only watch and wait. Any idea that Sabean isn't out of ideas and out of imagination should have totally evaporated with yesterday's game. Time for him to go. Let's get a freshh perspective in the GM chair before he can do any more damage.
Macrocosm
This morning, I was listening to someone on KNBR complaining about Sabean's failure to bring in a legitimate power hitter this past off-season. You know, it's not like he didn't try.
Brian Sabean's downfall can be traced to the absolute and utter failure of his farm system. Under Sabean's watch (along with that of Director of Player Development Jack Hiatt and Director of Scouting Matt Nerland), the farm system has produced very little in the way of real pitching talent, and not even one position player that has had any real impact or value.
For the first half of his tenure, Sabean's failure to produce significant home-grown talent went largely unnoticed. He was able to build a World Series caliber team, starting with his astute trades for players like Kirk Rueter, J.T. Snow and Jeff Kent. He even saw Rich Aurilia, a guy he had scouted and helped Bob Quinn trade for back in '94, become a strong contributor at shortstop.
Then, thanks to two key factors:
- Sabean's reputation, from his years with the Yankees, as a builder of strong farm system talent
- A free-agent market that was always flush with reasonably-priced, ready-to-sign talent
- Jason Brester
- Darin Blood
- Joe Fontenot
- Mike Villano
- Armando Rios
- Ryan Vogelsong
- Jason Grilli
- Nate Bump
- Chris Magruder
- Felix Diaz
- Ryan Meaux
- Ellis Burks
- Joe Carter
- Robb Nen
- Jason Schmidt
- Livan Hernandez
- Andres Galarraga
- Kenny Lofton
The San Francisco Giants of the late '90s and early '00s were teams that hit for power, scored a lot of runs, played good defense, and pitched reasonably well, particularly out of the bullpen.
So, yeah, the failure of the farm system went pretty much unnoticed for a good stretch there. But then a couple things changed:
- The league got wise to the Giants farm system. They watched just about every last one of the players Sabean foisted on the Pirates, Marlins, Rockies, Marlins and White Sox turn out to be dogs. Suddenly, Brian Sabean was having a hard time getting anyone to take his calls.
- Small and mid-market teams started benefiting from luxury tax and revenue sharing money, and they began signing their homegrown talent a bit more frequently. The free agent cupboard began turning up largely bare. Those trade-deadline specials that Sabean once feasted on were no longer in great abundance.
So, Brian Sabean is painted into a corner. The organization is riddled with dead wood. Dead wood in the front office that is matched perfectly by the dead wood up and down the batting order (I'm going to go ahead and skip the all-too-obvious joke here about the Giants needing to up their erectile dysfunction advertising).
There are way too many "Special Assistants" and "Senior Advisors" who do basically nothing. Way too many Directors who do far too little. I mean, for the life of me, I can't understand how Jack Hiatt has kept his job as Director of Player Development for 14 years, or how Matt Nerland is in his eighth year as Director of Scouting. I suspect it's because Brian Sabean is a decent guy who, beneath a sort of gruff exterior, actually deals with people with integrity and compassion. I think he's loyal to his guys and is loath to fire them.
I think we're witnessing Brian Sabean's swansong. I hate saying it, because I like Brian Sabean, and I applaud all that he did to build the Giants into a winning organization in the late 90's and early 00's. And, even with the failure of the farm system, Sabean is still a largely competent GM. The Giants could do a lot worse. In fact, they very well may do worse, once Sabean is cashiered (or more likely, kicked upstairs) after this year.
But hopefully, the Giants will bring in someone with some fresh energy, fresh ideas--particulary where building a farm system is concerned--and the long-overdue process of rebuilding the franchise can begin.
It will probably be a pretty brutal process for at least a couple years. Lots of familiar faces and names will probably be kicked to the curb. Probably a few good people will be swept out, along with the incompetent. But a clean sweep is badly needed right now for a team that has just one young player--Matt Cain--who looks like a sure talent they can count on for years to come. There's no one else on their current roster, and no one else in their farm system--not even Lincecum or Villalona--of whom that can be said.
A viking funeral is probably the best thing for the Giants' current front office, and the sooner it begins, the better.
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Sabean's Giant's career can be divided into the successful years, 1997-2002, when his trades almost always worked, and the declining years (2003 was an aberation), 2003-2007, when his trades never worked. You hit it on the head, by '03 other executives had finally figured out that Sabean had no minor league talent to deal. Actually his trades were pretty spotty in 2002, but he ended it with the Lofton mid-season trade which probably got the Giants into the World Series.
This season will likely be bittersweet, with Bonds chasing the record, but the good news about a bad ending, is that it will be Sabean's swan song.
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You hear this a lot, but I always wonder how true it is. The pitchers Sabean traded were legitimately good prospects; it's not like he was able to dress up scrubs as future stars and somehow trick other GMs into getting excited about them. They didn't pan out because pitching prospects generally don't pan out. Everyone knows this, but they hope to get lucky anyway--as the White Sox did with Foulke and Howry. And let's not forget that Mike Caruso was the Francisco Liriano of 1998; whatever went wrong with him happened on Chicago's watch, not because Sabean overhyped him.
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I agree that Villalona is a ?, albeit a nice one, but Lincecum? Come on.
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I mean, I'm pretty bullish on Lincecum and Villalona both. Lincecum especially. I just think that until he's pitched successfully at the big league level, for at least a full year, I wouldn't consider him a "sure major league talent that we can count on for years to come".
Like you say, LOTS can happen.
Like sharksrog
Frankly, he performed almost as well in much of ST, so I'm not at all concerned about his ability at this level.
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But I have had the advantage of seeing Tim pitch. Merely watching him throw two long tosses at
http://www.calleaguers.com/LincecumTim0326.html
brought tears to my eyes. Reading about him at such spots as
http://detectovision.com/?p=680 and http://detectovision.com/?p=628
helped me realize WHY I liked his pitching so much. And watching him pitch in person truly sealed the deal.
Is it 100% that Tim will go on to become a star for the Giants? No. But IMO it's about as close as it could be with any pitching prospect who has never pitched a regular-season game in the big leagues.
The biggest risk with young pitching prospects is the threat of injury. While that threat never is completely non-existent, I believe with Tim it is very low. Keep in mind that the kid has never had so much as a sore arm. From a durablity standpoint, he's probably a six-years-younger Barry Zito. From a dominance standpoint, he's probably MORE than a three and a half month older Matt Cain.
Tim Lincecum may well be the healthy, righthanded equivalent of Francisco Liriano. Oh, except that Tim is still a Giant, of course.
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It seems to me, however, that the farm system was much worse in the 1996/97 Joe Fontenot/Nate Bump days when he took over than it is now. Going from the absolute worst system to being just in the bottom 10 may not be a meaningful improvement, but it's something, especially considering the resources the organization put into Bonds and the new park. It seems to me that things are changing, ever so slightly, and while it isn't fast enough for me, it does seem to be moving in the right direction, finally.
My biggest criticism of Sabean has been and is, that he simply failed to prepare for the end of the Bonds era, i.e., getting Vlad (or someone else) to overlap in the Bonds years and then take over when the time came. If we had a guy like that now, we wouldn't have pressed so hard to get soriano, lee and pierre, and Zito because the team wouldn't have felt the pressure to make a big free agent signing just to make one. It certainly would have given them more leverage with Bonds.
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FWIW I just think at both the minor and major league levels his staff has just had too many gaffes in player evaluation, from the contract extensions (Bernard, Snow, Reuter) to the free agent signings (Alfonzo, Benitez, Zito) to the trades (#@&!), to the continually underwhelming drafts, there have been too many mistakes when it comes to evaluating talent. That doesn't seem like a radical statement to make about a guy who's spent nearly $100 million constructing what strikes me as very probably a last place team.
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Last season he didn't do a very good job of signing free agents (Jose Vizcaino, for crying out loud?) or of making trades (Shea Hillenbrand didn't quite cut it, although at least the Giants got Vinnie Chulk in the deal.), but he did an excellent job of drafting/signing Tim Lincecum and Angel Villalona. Brian truly needs to hit a home run with this year's draft -- and to luck into having his starting pitchers perform well enough that he can trade one of them and someone like Dave Roberts for a much-needed power hitter. He may well need to make a lesser trade to shore up the bullpen.
But he probably deserves the chance to see how he can regarding the needs cited above -- and is almost certain to get that chance. The biggest problem could come if he does a reasonably good job with those things. Could he be trusted going forward?
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Aurelia Said:
And if Cain strikes out 1 per inning, Barry yaks, and Mando comes up without poopin' his jock, the Giants pick up two games, and reduce their magic number to 161. Cake.
by E Ticket on Apr 4, 2007 1:20 PM PDT reply actions

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