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The New Phone Books Are Here!

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 2, 2007 9:08 PM PST in News

The new Baseball Prospectus is here! The new Baseball Prospectus is here! Like 'em or lump 'em, BP have always entertained. My list of most interesting PECOTA comparisons from the book:

Eliezer Alfonzo - Brian Johnson
Ray Durham - Bill Mueller
Pedro Feliz - Charlie Hayes
Randy Winn - Stan Javier
Armando Benitez - Dick Tidrow
Vinny Chulk - Jeff Brantley
Kevin Correia - Mark Grant
Brad Hennessey - Dick Pole
Steve Kline - Dave Righetti
Nick Pereira - Vinny Chulk
Jason Schmidt - Dave Burba
Jack Taschner - Alan Embree
Rich Aurilia - Brooks Robinson
Dave Roberts - Lou Brock

The Randy Winn one seems so obvious now. I can't believe that never crossed my mind.

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Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Stan Javier had a personality, though.

"Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist." Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 2, 2007 9:26 PM PST reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

And a monobrow.

Never mind whatever I do!!! Fan is my tresure!!!

by leftymalo on Mar 3, 2007 2:01 AM PST up reply actions

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The most impressive monobrow since Jack Clark's; Javier's problem was growing a mustache to go with it...looked like he grew a goutee around his eyes and nose instead of his mouth.

Two hands for beginners, and Jose Cruz Jr. in the playoffs

by VidaWantsYourCar on Mar 3, 2007 9:05 AM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Winn's hair is always well groomed.

"Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist." Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Mar 3, 2007 7:38 PM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Charlie Hayes and Feliz? Hayes had a .316 lifetime OBP.

Feliz couldn't do that if he invented an OBP machine that produced OBP. Or could he ... ?

*I would also like to point out that it's 9 p.m. on a Friday and we are discussing Charlie Hayes and Stan Javier. FWIW.

When it's time for a change...

by squirrel on Mar 2, 2007 9:38 PM PST reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

I would also like to point out that it's 9 p.m. on a Friday and we are discussing Charlie Hayes and Stan Javier. FWIW.

Now that's a t-shirt slogan.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 2, 2007 10:00 PM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

I hated Stan Javier. To this day, I'm convinced that any Giant who wears the #28 is cursed to suck ass. I mean, look what happened to John Vander Wal.

Giants Cove: You'll be a better person for reading

by Chulk on Mar 2, 2007 10:04 PM PST reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Jason Schmidt's delivery reminded me of somebody. Now I remember who....Burba before he got hurt and turned into a slug. And I can see Brantley in Chulk's delivery. Kline reminds me nothing of Rags who was smooth and was a more of a strike out power pitcher as I recall. Yeah, I can see perhaps a little of Roberts in Brock, but than Roberts is half Japanese, so not so much. (just kidding...relax)

I know these are stat comparables, but I was a little surprised by the physical movements and physiques that were similar. Embree reminds me more of Rags than Kline does. And Special Agent Jack reminds me more of Scott Ayres. Maybe its just the summer fog doing swirlies in my memory, and I'm seeing things because I want to see them, but damn that was deja vu. Again.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Mar 2, 2007 10:33 PM PST reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

I often shared the same sense of disappointment with Schmidt as with Burba. Looked intimidating, smooth delivery, great velocity...then pffft.

Two hands for beginners, and Jose Cruz Jr. in the playoffs

by VidaWantsYourCar on Mar 3, 2007 9:10 AM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Actually, Jason Schmidt always looked a lot more goofy to me than he ever looked intimidating.

And he always had a kind of exasperated look on his face, only occasionally breaking out the nightmare glare.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2007 9:59 AM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Jason's career ERA with the Giants was 3.36. Dave's was 4.57. Apparently Dave was more pffft and Jason was more sizzle.

by sharksrog on Mar 3, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions

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F'real. There's been a little bit of rewriting the history books since Schmidt left here, and I don't like it. He should have had a Cy Young for crying out loud.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Mar 3, 2007 12:38 PM PST up reply actions

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I agree. I even heard Ralf complaining that Schmidt didn't want the ball in important games. Which seems like utter BS considering his post-seasons performance in the orange and black (3-1, 3.06 ERA in 32.1 IP).

Even last season with the diminished velocity, Schmidt he was a more than legitimate #1. The guys is (sadly, perhaps) one of the best pitcher's in SF Giants history.

by Bhaakon on Mar 3, 2007 3:45 PM PST up reply actions

For what it's worth

For me it was never denying how good he was in the uniform. He was great.

It was just hating him and many of that success retroactively.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2007 4:41 PM PST up reply actions

Re: For what it's worth

or, you know, "much"

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by howtheyscored on Mar 3, 2007 4:41 PM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

As soon as I posted the 'pffft' comment, I realized it sounded a bit harsh toward Schmidt. What I mean is that while Schmidt is/was clearly the better pitcher, my ultimate feeling when his Giants career was over was that he always just missed being what he could have been. Indeed, he could've won a Cy Young Award...had he put together a complete season; he pitched that wonderful game in the NLCS against the Cards...but then didn't follow it up with anything nearly as memorable (a la Pedro/Schilling/Hershiser, and all those other dominant postseason pitchers we love to hate because they're not ours). The list goes on. An undeniable talent, some very nice states, but when it's all said and done, a bit shy of greatness. Let's hope it stays that way now that he's with the Dogs.

Two hands for beginners, and Jose Cruz Jr. in the playoffs

by VidaWantsYourCar on Mar 3, 2007 6:05 PM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Jason Schmidt could indeed have won the Cy Young Award in 2003 if not for one of the best seasons ever by a reliever. Eric Gagne saved 55 games and posted a phenomenal 1.20 ERA. That overcame Jason's 2.34 ERA and 17-5 record. Voters tend to overemphasize wins when evaluating Cy Young candidates among starters.

You say that Jason fell just short of greatness, and perhaps he did. But his 3.36 ERA as a Giant was darn good. I'm not sure any starter during that full time did better except for Johan Santana. The Giants are paying $126 million to Barry Zito, and over the last six years his ERA has been 3.61.

Let's just say that had Jason been able to pitch his entire career as he pitched for the Giants and been able to sustain his career three times as long as he pitched for SF he would have gained at least some consideration for the Hall of Fame. In addition to the fine ERA, Jason averaged over 200 innings per season and crafted a won-loss record of 78-43, for a winning percentage of .643 as a Giant. That's slightly better than Juan Marichal's .630 with the Giants. Jason's ERA with the Giants was even slightly better compared to the league average than Juanito's was.

If Jason was indeed shy of greatness as a Giant, it wasn't by much. He was better than Barry Zito and arguably better even than Juan Marichal (although not for nearly as long a period).

by sharksrog on Mar 3, 2007 9:12 PM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

They aren't just stat comparables, PECOTA uses body type and some other scouty type info to form the comparables.

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by oldjacket on Mar 3, 2007 9:45 AM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Yeah. I saw that in the link Grant put up. Thanks. Thought I was seeing things again. Whew. At least "others" can see them too.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Mar 3, 2007 9:20 PM PST up reply actions

Unrelated-- Mike Mooney

Hi, I used to know Mike Mooney, a prospect in the Giants system... does anyone know if he's at Spring Training this year?

Felipe: "I'm thinking if having Bonds hit leadoff. Or eight. No, wait, pitching. Anyway, I haven't talked to him about it yet

by theclap on Mar 3, 2007 1:26 AM PST reply actions

Re: Unrelated-- Mike Mooney

You a Serra kid? WCAL represent.

David
SPORTSZILLA - kickass sports writing

by David A. Arnott on Mar 3, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Unrelated-- Mike Mooney

I'm a Padre, I'm a Padre, I'm a Padre till I die, but I'd rather be a Padre than a ... oh, you know how it goes.

with fangs!

by thegiantsrj00r0x0r on Mar 3, 2007 4:36 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Unrelated-- Mike Mooney

WCAL alum here too. I went to Bellarmine and played ball with Kevin Frandsen.

Hitler was a Dodgers fan.

by The Nick on Mar 3, 2007 5:36 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Unrelated-- Mike Mooney

heh - another Padre over here. And I would rather be a Padre than a you-know-what from SI!

by duckthefodgers on Mar 5, 2007 10:42 AM PST up reply actions

I went to high school with girls.

I win the thread.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 5, 2007 9:14 PM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Those last 2 are a joke, right?

by seyheystretch on Mar 3, 2007 9:35 AM PST reply actions

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Nope, but remember they're comparing them to Brock and Robinson on the other side of 30 and not in their prime.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 3, 2007 10:27 AM PST up reply actions

Speaking of good on paper...

I just bought MLB The Show 07, and with the current rosters, the Giants are ranked 3rd overall.

by Josie Becker on Mar 3, 2007 11:09 AM PST reply actions

Re: Speaking of good on paper...

The chances of the Giants posting the third-best record in the majors in 2007 would seem to me to be less than 5%. It certainly isn't impossible -- but I wouldn't want to bet my house on it.

by sharksrog on Mar 3, 2007 11:47 AM PST up reply actions

Do you remeber Charlie Hayes' theme song?

We be Clubbin', by Ice Cube. Always made me laugh.

"I want to dip my balls in it." Louie

by MeSoKrabby on Mar 3, 2007 11:14 AM PST reply actions

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Pereira = Chulk? But Chulk already ON Giants. Chulk's head hurt...

by wedge on Mar 3, 2007 1:34 PM PST reply actions

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Wow. Just got my BP 2007, and it is thick. Happy reading, folks!

by Dan from NM on Mar 3, 2007 2:00 PM PST reply actions

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It weighs more than War and Peace.

by sharksrog on Mar 3, 2007 9:13 PM PST up reply actions

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I think War and Peace as the stand by for "heavy books" has become a bit of a clam. Proust's Rememberance of Things Past is the new War and Peace, though that's still a little clammy. In modern books we've got Pynchon's Against the Day making a strong case as a refreshing variant... or my favorite substitute: The Stand by Stephen King. And yes, I'm talking about the reprint with the extra, like, 500 pages.

I actually had to read The Stand in my 11th grade honors English class. For class. Let me just tell you how much I hated it. Understand, though, I've read other King and as a general rule he hasn't been my cup of tea.

Although, I have the strangest desire to read Lisey's Story. For some reason I think it looks really good.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Mar 4, 2007 9:15 AM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

'The Stand' in an English class? Oy vey. Talk about pandering. What were some of the other books on that syllabus?

Two hands for beginners, and Jose Cruz Jr. in the playoffs

by VidaWantsYourCar on Mar 4, 2007 9:20 AM PST up reply actions

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Sheez, let me see if I can get past the mental block on that year...

Ummm, we definitely read The Hobbit (and collectively made a giant, pointless, mural of the plot...). We were supposed to read For Whom the Bell Tolls, but had neither class discussions nor assignments on it, so I'd be surprised if anybody did, and that's all I can remember.

But we did spend nine of the eighteen weeks on The Stand, including a final complete with over 100 student devised multiple choice questions, during the taking of which the teacher called everybody up to his desk to tell them their ultimate and final grades...

My High School was a joke. Probably more than your High School was a joke. And I was there before they surrounded it with the five foot steel fence... Go Spartans!

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Mar 4, 2007 9:36 AM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Thanks for sharing. I laughed, I cried.

Two hands for beginners, and Jose Cruz Jr. in the playoffs

by VidaWantsYourCar on Mar 4, 2007 5:34 PM PST up reply actions

Re: The New Phone Books Are Here!

Kudos on the "The Jerk" reference. When the new phone books actually do come to my house, I still always yell out "The new phone books are here! The new phone books are here!" and my girlfriend looks at me like I'm mental.

And, yeah, Stan Javier. Ouch.

by taliesin on Mar 3, 2007 4:26 PM PST reply actions

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