Are Alou and Bochy the same guy?
Here's an article from the CCTimes about analyzing managers in Bill James's latest handbook.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/baseball/mlb/san_francisco_giants/16875803.htm
"According to a new book by James, Alou summoned 438 relievers last year; Bochy brought in 475.
Alou had 22 so-called quick hooks (pulling a starting pitcher early in the game); Bochy had 43.
Alou left starters in for nine long outings (120 pitches or more); Bochy did it five times."
Obviously the composition of the roster is just as (probably more) important than the manager in determining those stats, but still interesting.
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Re: Are Alou and Bochy the same guy?
Overall I like Bochy's tactics better than Felipe's. He seems to understand the usual futility of the non-pitcher sacrifice and that high-percentage base stealing is an asset, while low-percentage base stealing can be quite costly.
Bochy seems to better understand how best to use both starting pitchers and relievers than did the meddlesome Felipe. But the best potential value Bruce brings is probably the newness factor. Each of the past two times the Giants have hired a new manager, they have won 100 or more games. That almost certainly won't happen in 2007, but even a bump of ten games could put the Giants in the playoffs instead of watching them for a third straight year.
by sharksrog on Mar 10, 2007 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Mar 10, 2007 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I don't think Felipe had a particularly quick hook for his starters. It's just when he started that merry-go-round with the relievers....... And yes, Felipe did warm them up a lot without using them. I remember one game in SF last year when he had a lefty and righty warm up all inning and then sat them both down, warmed somebody else up and brought in the third pitcher.
I not an expert at handling pitchers, but it seems to me that some of the long/middle relievers should be going more than one inning at a time to take some of the load off the later inning guys. Correia and Hennessey seem particularly well suited to a role like that. Possibly Munter and/or Pat Misch too?
by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 10, 2007 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I make no comment as to whether this was a good thing or a bad thing.
by Salemicus on Mar 10, 2007 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Mar 10, 2007 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Mar 10, 2007 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Are Alou and Bochy the same guy?
-winces-
by victor frankenstein on Mar 10, 2007 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2007 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Mar 12, 2007 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BruteSentiment on Mar 11, 2007 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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The substance of managing/head-coaching is not about in-game strategy. In-game strategy is merely a symbolic representation of the head guy's management style and substance. No matter what a manager does, you have to remember he never touches a glove, ball nor bat. Players must execute. Players have to believe in what they do in order to execute. If they've no faith in their leader, there can be very little in the way of consistent success.
No different than ancient Spartans using phalanx formations in battle...It wasn't the novelty of the formation itself, it was the army with the most courage and mental discipline that won the skirmish. At least thats the way I understood phalanxs to work.
by E Ticket on Mar 11, 2007 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Mar 12, 2007 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If Greek history can teach us anything, it's that game strategy trumps desire to win.
by Bhaakon on Mar 12, 2007 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's Your Trump
by Moggeee on Mar 12, 2007 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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My reference was to 2 evenly matched opponents using the same formations. The one with brass balls wins.
by E Ticket on Mar 12, 2007 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite Proverb of Alexander the Great
by Moggeee on Mar 12, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Bhaakon on Mar 12, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meet my pal, the Arsenal of.Democracy
But armies include allies, and in that sense, France in World War II picked its friends fortuitously.
And let us not forget America might still be a British possession had it not been for a powerful 18th Century ally -- France.
by Moggeee on Mar 12, 2007 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sporting Analogy : Frazier vs. Ali
Maybe it did have something to do with brass kahonies -- America's.
by Moggeee on Mar 12, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs



















