OT: Literary Criticism!
Use this to help me better understand the exactly how deconstruction works in reference to understanding and deriving meaning from a text!
or
Start a debate! which is your favored pair of rose colored glasses?
This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.
0 recs |
74 comments
Comments
You're killing me!
If Grant can post some silly grammar something or other, i feel at least semi entitled to ask about this.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 1:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You're killing me!
I'm not even joking.
I'm a little far removed from my Lit Theory class (which was a actually lot closer to a psych 101 class, THANKS PROFESSOR PUCKETT FOR SCREWING ME OUT OF THE SUBJECT I SIGNED UP FOR!!!), so I can't help you out a whooooole heck of a lot (that, and I don't feel like writing an essay while I'm not - you know - in school), but a good start might be checking the references for the wikipedia entry and then reading those.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2007 1:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You're killing me!
And yeah, my AP Lit teacher just outright said, "Have fun, kids!"
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You're killing me!
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 7:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You're killing me!
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You're killing me!
I dropped the course after the first paper I wrote came back with a C- grade, and by his grading scale a C- is fimrly in D hell. I was getting nowhere in the class. Second time I took critical thinking I got a different teacher, who assigned really interesting books like The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down, which is about a Hmong girl with severe epilepsy living in the Central Valley, and the clash between her family, Western doctors, and the affects this all had on her health.
Look, if I wanted philosophy I would sign up for philosophy. I couldn't even form a coherent thought on the stuff my first teacher threw at us, much less a critical one. The second teacher's idea of critical thinking was a lot more in line with mine. I got an A on everything I turned in that semester.
To this day I still fail to see how Lord Jim would serve as a good book for critical thinking. My first prof was loony for the book, but now I think he's just plain loony. PS Lord Jim sucks. God, does it suck. Boring, the characters didn't move me at all, I couldn't follow it because I just didn't give a crap. What an awful reading assignment.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 14, 2007 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You're killing me!
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2007 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Every complex text folds in upon itself and provides its own contradictions.
I don't know if that's helpful, but for some reason that phrase got stuck in my head and made me hate Portrait of an Artist that much more.
Rufus on Fire: A Charlotte Bobcats Blog
by David Arnott on Dec 14, 2007 5:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by HarshInFresno on Dec 14, 2007 7:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by Dolorous Edd on Dec 14, 2007 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by Evan on Dec 14, 2007 7:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by victor frankenstein on Dec 15, 2007 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
It's basically art, masquerading as "criticism."
Some teachers (and even college professors) understand the absurdity of criticism (whether it's lit, social theory or what not), and others believe that in order to find it absurd you first need to go through the motions of understanding it.
I'd say while the concepts of the theory is important, your writing style is more important. If you're able to make concise, well written arguments, then the actual substance isn't as important.
Also note that there's a difference between substance and concepts. I can write an essay on social theory involving post-modernism that discusses the "Elvis Costello" look of PoMos, but as long as I know the concepts involved in Social Theory and Post-Modernism, then the actual substance of the essay becomes less important.
High School is a bit different though, because teachers want you to be prepared (particularly in an AP class) for anything in college (I may be giving too much credit to HS teachers).
I think you should ignore the standard definitions of words like critique, analysis and criticism. Just completely erase them from your brain when dealing with Lit Theory. That should help, a bit.
This probably was absolutely of no help and everyone is now dumber for having read it.
by noahthek on Dec 14, 2007 7:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Also, today's post is canceled.
by Grant on Dec 14, 2007 7:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by Gordo on Dec 14, 2007 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
There's a ton of crap to cover from Derida and stuff, so it won't be too bad, but yeah, it's kind of a lot.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by MidKnight on Dec 14, 2007 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Seriously, did I mention that you are doing way too much work to give a 50 minute presentation? That's insane and, I suspect, supremely lazy on the part of the teacher. Does every student in your class give these 50 minute presentations? Are they group presentations? Seriously, the longest presentation I ever gave in college was a 25 minute presentation. And it was in my pro-seminar, which is the pinnacle of the upper division history major's required course work.
I couldn't imagine assigning a 50 minute presentation, in any class in high school.
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
There were like 6 groups: feminist, historicism, biographical, Marxist, Formalist just pretty much the basic lit theories. The teacher isn't grading us down for not completely understanding deconstruction and he did warn us that it's a pretty tough topic.
But yeah, the 50 minutes thing actually goes by pretty well. It doesn't like HAVE TO BE 50 MINUTES, but that's what they usually run. I actually have loved all the other presentations and it's a pretty cool assignment. We're reading Joyce's "Dubliners" at the same time and we kind of apply each theory to the short story we read that night.
If you get 12 AP in your future career, I'd reccomend an informal, destructuralized class. It really does wonders for senior year attendance.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2007 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
As for stuctured classes, there must always be some sort of structure to a class. Structure involves more than just "this is what we will learn and this is when we will learn it." Structure also involves expectations and procedures. A class without structure is a bad class.
As to students teaching each other, this is a positive thing if you can get it. I imagine it's much easier in an AP class than otherwise. The highest level of learning, that is to say, the way people learn things the best, is to teach it to others. This is why presentations to the rest of the class are valuable. However, to rely on it as much as your AP Lit teacher seems to be doing, probably isn't a good thing. But I can't say for sure without actually observing the class in person.
Anyway, from the sounds of it, you probably won't have very many college classes that are more demanding than this AP class. So, it's good for you in that respect at least.
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
during these presentations, he often interjects with clarifications, elaborations, anecdotes or something that sparks a debate in class. It's definitely the most fun thing I've participated in in class since we spent an entire period in Theatre III on the line, "come, Thick night" from macbeth.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Also, most teachers try to get things done in a certain amount of time, but they end up not covering everything they want to. This is pretty much universal. When things take more time than they anticipated, it's not like they will cut it off. Though I have seen some who do.
Anyways, it's really hard to describe someone's teaching style and give it justice. But I am glad you are enjoying at least one of your classes. Since you spend a good chunk of your day there, it's always better to enjoy it.
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
So, in essence, my mommy let me play hooky for the day.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And just for the hell of it.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 7:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: And just for the hell of it.
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: And just for the hell of it.
I didn't realize until I first saw that graphic that quoting Butler for Chaucer is the litcrit equivalent of losing your virginity on prom night--good job on the particulars, but kid, you just became a statistic.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly political
Basically what got me the A was pointing out how Tzu warns in the text about forming shaky alliances, and I compared that to the 1979 conflict between the USSR and Afghanistan and how the US provided Afghanistan with a ton of aid in the war. Yeah. That worked out so well.
For me writing papers is easy once I have my thesis figured out. I know where to find the info I need after that.
As for glasses, I have a pair of sexy librarian glasses with dark brown frames. I wear them every day because without them I cannot see a GD thing.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 14, 2007 9:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Slightly political
But I always get a pretty good grade, so I guess it's worked out okay for me so far. I just wish my "method" wasn't so stressful and tiring.
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Slightly political
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Slightly political
Tangentially, I have written one A+ term paper in my life, on the 100th/442nd--the Japanese-American regiment in WWII. I wrote it starting at 1:00 a.m. because I'd been semi-conscious with the flu all day, so kept literally passing out and dropping the books I was trying to read on my face. I was still semi-delirious, but I cranked out the damn thing; it turned out to be three pages overlength without padding it at all.
It also ended up coming to the professor 1 hour overdue. And was knocked down half a grade. Getting it back and looking at "A+" crossed out and replaced with "A", I wanted to barf. Then I realized that I had the flu, so I did barf.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Slightly political
And I really, really, really, really need to break it because I can not be staying up until all hours of the morning everyday preparing my lessons for the next day. Of course, I'll be preparing for my student teaching from now until the end of January, so that will help.
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Slightly political
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Slightly political
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 16, 2007 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Slightly political
But, of course, now that I have to grade papers myself, I have a lot more sympathy for those who do it. It's not easy. But still, it's best to be as objective as possible.
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
I bristle at the thought of teachers offering assignments that amount to: Deconstruct This! That's basically asking for insanely reductive and ultimately unsatisfying analyses.
Grant, I assume you're referring to "The Library of Babel"? Great story--love me some Borges.
by juanboy on Dec 14, 2007 10:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Voila! A+!
by juanboy on Dec 14, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by Grant on Dec 14, 2007 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by Evan on Dec 14, 2007 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by SF Pete on Dec 14, 2007 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
- English major here.
- Ex-high school English teacher, too.
Since everyone else is sharing stories about papers they wrote and whatnot, I once wrote a paper for a college course called The Psychology of Art in which I quoted my roommate as an expert on the works of Ludacris and added an appendix that included a burned CD of mashups and well known rap songs featuring samples (Ludacris vs. Kylie Minogue, Puff Daddy, Vanilla Ice).
Rufus on Fire: A Charlotte Bobcats Blog
by David Arnott on Dec 14, 2007 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
That is an inspired paper. Did your teacher listen to the songs?
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Still, my Alexaner Pope paper had to be my favorite from that class, as I managed to work in colonial theory, punk rock, quantum physics, and Zork.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alexaner.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
If he didn't listen to the CD you turned in with the paper, he should be fired.
by juanboy on Dec 14, 2007 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
I don't remember any good papers I wrote in high school.
by groug on Dec 14, 2007 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My grades were good too
by groug on Dec 14, 2007 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: My grades were good too
My high school papers I thought were well-written at the time (including my personal statement for my college applications) have been long since deemed very primative. I suppose it's the reason you go to college to begin with, and your writing (and speaking) style just tends to evolve (hopefully for the better) through that experience.
by sfgfan on Dec 14, 2007 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: My grades were good too
by Natto on Dec 14, 2007 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: My grades were good too
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Either the ideas were really good, or the writing was still generally better than most everybody else. Or I'm just way too critical of myself looking back on things. I got a lot of positive comments regarding my sense of structure.
But man, as somebody who values strong writing skills, those papers I wrote are a mess. Or, probably, It's that way too critical thing. I'm probably that.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2007 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Besides, I'm willing to say that it's probably because you're too critical of your own work (as evident in your blog).
by sfgfan on Dec 14, 2007 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
It's fallen down on my priority list, too. I'm still active on it, but I've gotten lazier than I should be when I do have free time.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by sfgfan on Dec 14, 2007 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Based on my frequency of postings during the week, though, I'm sure you can tell the monotony is killing me. Not having a job and not being in school bites. I've been just this side of stir crazy so many times in the last few month.
by howtheyscored on Dec 14, 2007 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
Hopefully you'll find your first permanent job soon enough. You sure seem to be working very hard on it.
by sfgfan on Dec 14, 2007 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
There's a reason why I haven't mentioned the specifics of the play--I honestly don't remember what it's about. A Ph.D. means that you can talk with legitimate authority about a few things, and fradulent authority about ANYTHING. In other words, it's a license to bullshit.
by juanboy on Dec 14, 2007 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
. . . and deconstruction labors to undermine understanding and destroy meaning from in a text.
by oldjacket on Dec 15, 2007 9:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: OT: Literary Criticism!
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 15, 2007 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs



















