BA's Giants Organizational Report
Baseball America has their Giants Top Ten Prospects list up:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/265340.html
Big suprise for me Erik Threets having the best changeup. Very suprised.
On the opening page of baseball america they have a picture of Big V and Felipe Alou saying that Big V reminds him of Andres Galaragga.
I don't have a BA account so no chat transcript. (Poor college student). :(
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Re: BA's Giants Organizational Report
I'm not gonna lie, I don't know who that is.
Hm, I guess he pitched for the Volcanoes last year.
by jponry on Dec 14, 2007 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by KCE on Dec 14, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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He hardly pitched in college, is he a converted position player?
by xanthan on Dec 14, 2007 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Edlefsen
by DrBGiantsfan on Dec 14, 2007 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by KCE on Dec 14, 2007 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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In 2006 Edlefsen tied the school record with a six-hit game in which he completed the cycle.
by Cainer on Dec 14, 2007 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/juaneatsbox/?action=view¤t=Edlefsen.flv
by chefasaurus on Dec 14, 2007 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Edlefsen vs Cowart
by DrBGiantsfan on Dec 14, 2007 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Dec 14, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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If he ever learns to throw strikes, look out. Deck stacked against him, but you never know.
by wcw on Dec 14, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 16, 2007 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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1. Best Defensive Outfielder: Antoan Richardsonk
Is this the same as badonkadonk?
2. 2011 Rotation:
No. 1 Starter Matt Cain
No. 2 Starter Tim Lincecum
No. 3 Starter Barry Zito
No. 4 Starter Tim Alderson
No. 5 Starter Madison Bumgarner
Yes, please.
by KCE on Dec 14, 2007 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Dec 14, 2007 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Steve Decker, manager of the Volcanoes, said he might have been the best pitcher on the team last year.
Besides the slider he throws a low 90's sniker.
by Cainer on Dec 14, 2007 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by ramirez415 on Dec 14, 2007 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Dec 14, 2007 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Dec 14, 2007 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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yeah, that rotation looks SWEEET!
Worst part?
Eugenio Velez is our number 6 prospect. :(
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 14, 2007 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Dec 14, 2007 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Dec 14, 2007 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Dec 14, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bastard.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Bastard.
by gianator on Dec 14, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Bastard.
(Don't worry, I'm wearing a condom.)
by Goofus on Dec 14, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Peripherally addressing the question...
Still, someday I'll make zombie Mel Ott jokes popular.
Someday.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Peripherally addressing the question...
Though I am quite serious when I say that the zombified corpse of Meal Ticket would walk fewer batters than any current member of the Giants rotation.
by wcw on Dec 14, 2007 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Dec 14, 2007 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by gianator on Dec 14, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 14, 2007 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The Giants have plenty of speed on the way. They're short only in hitting.
by sharksrog on Dec 15, 2007 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcw on Dec 16, 2007 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by ramirez415 on Dec 17, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 16, 2007 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem...
I count 18 points? Quite proud of myself for knowing next to nothing about most of these guys.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 14, 2007 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
13.
by multiphasic on Dec 14, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Dec 14, 2007 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Also, 7 of the top ten prospects are position players.
Also, this is wrong: "For the first time since 1996, the Giants must build a baseball team without Barry Bonds as their cornerstone."
by thehavenot on Dec 14, 2007 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by antinous on Dec 14, 2007 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they're not only wrong about that
by JT on Dec 14, 2007 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 14, 2007 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by daveinexile on Dec 15, 2007 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chat Tidbits
Baggerly mentioned Wilmin Rodriguez a couple of times. I think he might be a sleeper too.
Possible High A assignment for Tim Alderson. That would be great. I could see him when the Little Giants swing through SoCal.
Brett Pill was put on a strength program this fall in hopes he can convert some of those doubles to HR's.
Alex Hinshaw was healthy enough to pitch in instructionals.
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by Evan on Dec 14, 2007 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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For a guy with great speed Burriss is not a very successful base stealer.
I don't see how Sandoval who is younger than Williams and was the third best catcher in baseball at gunning down base stealers is not the top defensive catcher.
I don't really see how Burriss is a top prospect at all. He doesn't have any real stand out abilities and he hits for negative power.
I also don't get the Bowker hysteria. He has had one decent year hitting for power in AA. He also struck out oodles while not walking much which is a warning sign for young power hitters. His swing isn't particularly great and he has no more than average raw bat speed.
Good to see the 'Toan finally getting some recognition, though.
by orangeandblackattack on Dec 14, 2007 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I'm not sure why the Burriss hysteria either. Decent, not that strong on D and ok with a bat. Can leg out some infield hits.
Williams best defensive catcher, they must be smoking crack. King of the passed ball is more like it.
by RichH on Dec 14, 2007 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Dec 14, 2007 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
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by wcw on Dec 16, 2007 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oldjacket on Dec 15, 2007 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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With Williams - there's more to defense than throwing out base stealers. And Williams is no bad shakes at that, either. Williams can call his own games already (the pitching staff in S-K all seemed to praise him for a lot of what they did from what I heard) and is a lot more mobile behind the plate.
With Bocock...yea, that puzzled me, too.
by BruteSentiment on Dec 16, 2007 2:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcw on Dec 16, 2007 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wcw on Dec 16, 2007 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1!
by DrBGiantsfan on Dec 16, 2007 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm glad that Noonan is up on there... I'll take more Chase Utley comparisons, please.
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by rxmeister on Dec 15, 2007 7:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Dec 15, 2007 7:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Browning Nagle"
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by ramirez415 on Dec 17, 2007 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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-I thought the chat participation was a bit light this year. 2 and a half hours looks quite long, but a full 14 out of about 45 questions were mine using various nom de plumes, screne names and nom de guerres. I think in previous years the chat was open to all comers and not just subscribers.
- Coverage of issues was pretty good. Pretty much the only standard question I didn't see answered was the 'where's the farm rank' question, but as he's indicated elsewhere that the team falls in the middle tier I guess it was superfluous. The only substantive prospect based question I had that wasn't answered was if Threets change was so good why did he look like a gas can in his cup of coffee, but hey, he can't answer everything.
- On one level I'm disapointed that it was Andy and not John Manuel who did the evaluation this year. As a beat writer I think Andy is more familiar with the kids themselves, but the national staff have a better feel for the relative strenghth of a farm system and have a little better experience on projection. Andy has a tendency to collect and collate opinions of others a bit too much. On the plus side, having one of the beat writers this familiar with the farm is really quite a boon- if you mention the Bucardo brothers to Shulmann he'd probably ask if you mix it with coke and a twist of lime. And When Andy does give an opinion, it's usually a pretty fair one, and he actually is very good about responding to polite emails. But on some levels, it makes me wonder why I'm paying $102 a year for something I can get most of for free.
- BA top prospect lists are all about potential and age to level. Yes, at upper levels performance enters the mix, but BA will always rank a potential #2 SP in rookie ball above a probable #3 in AAA with a cup of coffee. I tend to a more balanced approach myself maybe even skewed the opposite direction- I give serious due to anyone who has made the AA transition, but I recognize that this is provocative.
- The question that alarmed me the most was the report that Merkin is pitching at only 90-91 in the DWL. Reports I had from Arizona placed him at 94-95. The report was just one un-named scout, maybe he just caught Merkin when he was deadarming, but still, I'll watch him closely in sping.
- the answer I liked most was Andy's take on the 'pitching factory' character of our farm. I myself had counted them up, but it's good to have someone else go through the exercise and come to the same conclusion that theres 15 ML pitchable arms in the system that won't fit on the top 30 list. Other plus answers were his report that Joaquin really is all the way back, English really is back from the dead and Threets isn't a lost cause.
by prospecthound on Dec 15, 2007 9:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by wcw on Dec 16, 2007 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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On another note, I'm impressed that you typed all that into your blackberry, with bullet points, no less! I've tried posting a couple times on mine, but it's too much work.
by Goofus on Dec 16, 2007 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by prospecthound on Dec 16, 2007 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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* Rick Ragazzo left? Faaaack. This is the guy who talked Sabes into the offer to Villalona. Let's hope the new guy Ed Creech helps....but I'm not holding out for much.
* I don't have a lot of quibbles on the Top 10...I've got some differences (notably at the top, and involving a couple of older pitchers), but nothing I'd scream out about.
* D'Alessio didn't make the cut for the Top 30, but they're going to fit him in. I would've wanted to see him say who gets the axe for Andy. Nice to see them giving Andy some props.
* Most shocking comment: Pucetas and his 'low-80's' stuff. Whaaa? Maybe his slider...I've had his stuff in the low-90's. I'm thinking it was just a typo.
- Best comparison - Noonan = "A tooled-up version of Kevin Frandsen."
- Most disagreed with comment: since only Nick Pereira looks to be in position to help the major league club next year when talking about rotations. What, no love for Pat Misch? I know he relieved most of the season, but I still like him as a starter.
* The Clinton and Star Wars jokes have bumped Andy up in my favorite chats list. He could easily take over for Goldstein, who I don't get to see chat anymore now that he's on BP.
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I found the Misch omission to be glaring too- I think he's assuming that he's already part of the ML team in a comment relating to depth.
by prospecthound on Dec 16, 2007 11:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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