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The Vizquel deal gets worse...

by Aadik on Nov 7, 2007 9:02 PM PST Comment 73 comments

From Rotoworld:

Omar Vizquel's soon-to-be-finalized contract with the Giants will be worth $5.5 million and include a vesting option for 2009.
The option, which becomes guaranteed if he plays in 140 games, is worth $5.2 million. The 40-year-old Vizquel will be getting a raise from the $4 million he made last season even though he was as bad of a hitter as there was in the NL. When the Giants say they don't have the money to pursue Alex Rodriguez, it's because of decisions like this.

Seriously? Why does Brian Sabean have a job? Does he have a secret stash of Abe Vigoda pics that make him happy? YOu're giving a 40 year old who was the WORST offensive regular in baseball a 2 year deal? And you're giving him a raise?

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Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

nggggggggggh! I was semi-ok with this because it was a 1-year deal until now.

by xanthan on Nov 7, 2007 8:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

I believe the Giants will announce every day for the next month that they are adding another year to the deal. They will then petition the league to allow Omar to play short in a wheelchair. I'm just amazed that after saying all the right things since the season ended they have made a move like this one. It never changes around here. How do Sabean and Magowan justify something like this after all they have said??

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 7, 2007 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Wow. There is no reason for a 2nd year option, unless it's for vizquel to coach.

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by orangeandblackattack on Nov 7, 2007 9:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Player-manager?? I'm on board. Either that or we add steroids to his urine sample after game number 139!!

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by rxmeister on Nov 7, 2007 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

If (and only if) this elimates the $1.75M Signing Bonus still owed to Vizquel from his previous contract ($1M in 2008 and $.75M in 2009) and this deal breaks down to $4.75M in 2008 with $5.2M option or $.75M buyout for 2009 does this even being to maybe possibly just be stupid and not outright insanity.

by giantsrainman on Nov 7, 2007 9:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Basically...

The only way Vizquel is not going to have the second year come for him is if he goes on the DL. He's not gone on the DL since 2003, and before that in 1994. If he takes a 15 game trip to the DL then he'll have to only miss seven games next year, which he will. I just hope he has to go on the DL.

That brings up a question. If a player has this type of vesting option, would it be in the team's best interest to play a small injury big and put him on the DL? Or is that illegal?

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by WalrusMan on Nov 7, 2007 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: Basically...

The second best way to handle this is to be upfront with Omar Vizquel and tell him the 2009 season will not vest unless his skills improve dramatically.

by wilriv21 on Nov 7, 2007 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

I dont feel comfortable rooting for a guy as classy as vizquel to get hurt...but as my drunk dad used to say as he was getting his belt: you brought this on yourself.

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by Woody Wins on Nov 7, 2007 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

It's cool, guys. Only players who whine and bitch about playing time get to keep starting despite awful play when a vest of incentive that is bad for the team is set to kick in.

Omar has too much class to whine and bitch enough to get the playing time.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2007 9:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

On second thought

I wish I would have done better than a "Rosie" joke, but whatever. I can't change it now.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2007 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

I'll believe it when I don't see it.

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by nick on Nov 7, 2007 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

"Omar has too much class to whine and bitch enough to get the playing time."

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 7, 2007 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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"I've already been on teams that have been in World Series and playoffs," Vizquel said Friday. "It's not like I'm missing that part of the game that much. I feel comfortable here with the Giants. I don't have any problems with anybody, and if I'm going to go to a team where I'm sitting on the bench watching the game, it's not going to be as good as if I'm playing every day. I just want to play."

However, he said, "If I have a chance where a team is missing a shortstop, where he gets hurt, and there is nobody there, that would be a different situation. But there is no guarantee of that."

If that is your definition of whining and bitching, then we are not talking about the same concepts. Not even a little. My definition: here.

"I didn't have a choice in the matter this year -- this was the hand I was dealt being traded here, but obviously I wouldn't have signed as a free agent here with the situation the way it is," Finley said, while checking new black bats in the visitors' clubhouse. "I don't not want to play every day." - Steve Finley, 2006

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by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2007 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Omar hasn't truly whined and b1tched yet, but then he hasn't been benched yet. Nice of him to make a point of warning us, though.

To my eye, the only difference between the two is about 10 days of riding the pine. (I'd say 20, but Omar's got an option to vest).

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2007 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm all for giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, though, mostly because he's never done anything to give me reason to doubt.

If that's because he hasn't had reason to give me reason to doubt to this point remains to be seen, but until it is I'll at least give him that benefit.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2007 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

He did some whining and b1tching about Jose Mesa in that autobiography.

Could you imagine if Bonds had written something like that? It would have been front page news for month, and joined the recliner as a running joke.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2007 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Oh, so this is what it's like to enter discussion with the unwielding Bhaakon...

I mean, aside from that time we briefly talked DS9 on the way into the ballpark. :P

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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2007 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

DS9: best star trek ever, or best so far?

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2007 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Unfortunately, my TNG Notalgia Love gets in the way of any rational thought I might have on the DS9 issue. I loved DS9, though. That episode where it turns out that STDS9 is just s sci-fi novel written by Sisko (well, not Sisko, but I forget the character's name and it's the same actor), and all the other characters in the show are his writer friends, and it's set in the 50's or 60's and all the inherent metaphors just hit all the right marks... THAT might be the best ST episode of any of the series, hands down.

One thing I can say, though: Voyager = worst Star Trek ever. That show was God-swful.

Also, check this out: http://www.interviewinghollywood.com/videos/video-192.html

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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

DS9!

The character's name was Benny Russell. The episode name was "Far Beyond the Stars." I did not have to look that up. I am a complete dork.

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by thehavenot on Nov 8, 2007 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: DS9!

That episode rocked, and that series rocked. I loved TNG as much as the next guy, but DSNerd was the best. I mean... There was a war! You can't top that! It's impossible! There was a recurring baddy, huge space battles, relentless fighting going on... It was good stuff!

I've recently TiVo'd a few old episodes of TOS, just because... Dude, it's practically unwatchable. At least while sober. Voyager was crap. I liked a bit of what I saw from Enterprise, but as soon as they got too heavy into the whole time travel bullshit, I lost interest. Never watched beyond season 1.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 8, 2007 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: DS9!

I was never a fan of the original either. I got into the movies first, then TNG.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2007 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: DS9!

There was a lot that was a silly and hokey about Star Trek (otherwise known as the original series). It had a lot to do with the fact that it was the sixties and sixties television wasn't exactly great watching. There were several bad episodes but mostly what was wrong with it were the production and the acting.

But Star Trek was the closer to actual, classic science fiction than any of the spin-offs or movies. And when it was good, it was good.

That said, DS9 was and always will be, my favorite.

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by thehavenot on Nov 8, 2007 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Yeah, Voyager is pretty bad.

I'll take DS9 over TNG simply because it had the overarching story lines, more character-driven stories, and darker tones. TNG could be very saccharine at times, and fell easily into monster of the week syndrome, particular in the first half of the series. DS9 had the advantage of a more fleshed out setting and an established audience, though, so it's understandable why they were able to take more risks.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2007 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Must point out that the DS9 episode, "Whispers," also did a far better job with Philip K. Dick's "Impostor," than the movie, "Impostor" actually did.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Nov 8, 2007 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

I don't know, for my money, the Tribble Trouble episode of DS9 (where the crew went back in time and were integrated into the Tribble Trouble epsiode of the original series) was pretty damned good. But that may just because it satisfies the geekboy in me, and that Terry Farrell looked damned hot in the short uniform of the original series.

Of course, it's just fresh in my mind since it was on Spike the other night.

But DS9 was definitely the best of the Star Trek series. And it was also the truest. After all, which baseball team was Sisko a fan of?

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by BruteSentiment on Nov 8, 2007 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Really, the two parts of that episode that really put it over the top were a) the entire DS9 crew acting like, well, Trekkies every time Kirk walked by, and b) Worf's grim-faced refusal to retcon the Klingons' appearance--"We do not discuss it with outsiders."

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Nov 9, 2007 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Man, it's so refreshing to know others thought that DS9 was the best Star Trek, and it wasn't just me!

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by JRPhillips on Nov 9, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

I just don't get it. Why bring him back for more than one season? Were they worried he would go sign somewhere else so much that they HAD to give him a second year? I know it is a vesting option or whatever, but he's never hurt, so how would they justify not playing him everyday? Especially for the 5.5 they have to pay him. I think he is a decent, viable option for '08, I can handle that, but I am not on board for Omar at short in '09. Come on Giants, you can do better...or at least try. This one doesn't even seem like they're trying. Why not kick the tires on Renteria when he was available? There has to be someone else out there the Giants could go after. The Mariners have a shortstop and one who is blocked, why not try to get one of those and Richie Sexson for Noah and Durham or someone else? I just don't get it, and I'm getting pretty damn tired of the same old retreads. Just bring back Pedro Friggin' Feliz and get it over with.

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by rod beck on Nov 7, 2007 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

The biggest worry, I think, is that this indicates that offenseive improvement will be sought in the OF. Instead of playing Lewis/Davis/Schierholtz, 2 of those guys, if not 3, will be on the bench and some Torii Hunterish/Andrew Jonesish veteran will come in at multiple millions to provide offense.

by allfrank on Nov 7, 2007 11:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

I would guess the Giants would be seeking the biggest upgrades to first and third bases -- unless they re-sign Pedro Feliz, of course.

by sharksrog on Nov 8, 2007 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

I was ust thinking we needed another/thread discussing the Vizquel deal.

by Goofus on Nov 8, 2007 5:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Is anybody really surprised? I was incensed at the original deal. This new ripple doesn't really make things worse because the shock of even resigning Omar has already passed.

This move displays zero creativity and zero foresight, things we've come to accept now from the front office.

Havenot and orangeandblackattack: keep trying to rationalize this. Good luck with that.

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by GameSix on Nov 8, 2007 7:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Rationalize this

Not on your life, Six. Place holder contracts do not include vesting options. This was a dumb move by Sabean.

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by orangeandblackattack on Nov 8, 2007 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Do you still not get my point?

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by thehavenot on Nov 8, 2007 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh!

I went to baseball reference hoping that I would see that Vizquel was averaging something closer to 130 games a season the last few years.

No dice, the last time he didn't play 140 games was 2003 and before that 1995.

I'll be rooting for a trip to the 15-day DL.

by Scottsdale on Nov 8, 2007 7:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

People are making waaaaay too much of this option. If he plays any worse than he did last year (is that even possible?), he'll get benched. If he does as well or better than he did last year, then he's worth $5.5 million, sez Sabean.

The problem is in player evaluation, not in the way the contract is structured.

by Evan on Nov 8, 2007 8:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

That was my thinking exactly. The giants simply wont play omar the requisit 140 games if he continues to struggle the way he did last season.

Its a win win situation really. Either he bounces back and makes that 5 million option worth it or he continues to slide and the giants, however unpopular it is, will sit him enough games to make sure the option doesnt vest.

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by jfucsd10 on Nov 8, 2007 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Maybe you haven't observed Bruce Bochy's philosophy on properly filling out a lineup card. Omar is a veteran and therefore must be placed in the starting lineup unless he is injured or otherwise unavailable. The only way Bochy doesn't start Omar every day is if Sabean DFA's him like Kevin Towers had to do with Vinnie Castilla in San Diego.

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by W8ingForATitle on Nov 8, 2007 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

+1 x 10^6.

There is NO F'ING WAY Bochy will bench Omar for an extended period of time, regardless of whether he doesn't produce on offense, now that Omar has this incentive clause.

by Cleophus on Nov 8, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Everyone uses Durham as an example too, but he didn't play 140 games last year.

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by Goofus on Nov 8, 2007 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Durham was blocking Frandsen. Vizquel is blocking no one.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2007 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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With Durham blocking Frandsen, and Valez at 2B They can get their PAs and innings needed to develop now at SS even if thier long term future is at 2B. Wasting the SS PAs and innings on someone with no future is just that, a complete waste.

by giantsrainman on Nov 8, 2007 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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YES...someone gets it!

Look at all the PA's for Pedro. You can't tell me that if a vet slumps that Boch will bench him.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 10, 2007 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Failure to produce isn't really a benchable offense on this team.

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by orangeandblackattack on Nov 8, 2007 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

For what it's worth, I read Omar's recent press conference in Venezuela and he said that if he puts up the type of numbers in 2008 as he did in 2007, he would definitely retire. Obviously, he's interpreting 2007 an off-year and hopes he'll bounce back.

Of course it's one thing to say this now when it's not game 139 and he's batting .240, but who knows.

Regardless, I don't like the thought of either rooting for him to have a bad year, or wishing injury on him so he'll land on the dl. I'll think I'll just sit back and see how it all plays out instead. I can't help it, I like the guy.

by Widget on Nov 8, 2007 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Dude, keep it down. People around here might think you actually enjoy baseball.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Nov 8, 2007 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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That's "Dudette."

by Widget on Nov 8, 2007 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

In my defense, I call my boss "dude," all the time, and she hasn't fired me yet.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Nov 8, 2007 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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No big deal. I forget that "Furf Rocky" can be very misleading!

by Widget on Nov 8, 2007 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Points

IT'S A SHE!

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by WalrusMan on Nov 8, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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"Regardless, I don't like the thought of either rooting for him to have a bad year, or wishing injury on him so he'll land on the dl. I'll think I'll just sit back and see how it all plays out instead."

Furfy, there is the 3rd rooting alternative; he has a year like 2006 and we all hope the vesting kicks in!

by Goofus on Nov 8, 2007 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Voice of one SF Giants fan who does not desire to see Omar Vizquel on the 2009 SF Giants roster.

by wilriv21 on Nov 8, 2007 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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A year like 2006 (295/361/389/magical defense) and you wouldn't want him back? I'd love to hear the reasoning.

by Goofus on Nov 8, 2007 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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It would keep us from landing Juan Uribe.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Nov 8, 2007 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Even if Omar has a good season in 2008, it doesn't improve his long-term outlook. He'd still be a year-to-year stopgap on a team that needs to be looking at more permanent solutions.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 8, 2007 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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As I've said before, managing his games to about 10 below his career average does not seem all that hard...even if it means that have to DFA his sweet dreamy tuckus after 139 games.

The vesting simply gives the team another option.

I'll stand (ok, so I'm sitting) here right now and guarantee that at the end next season, Omar will not have played in 140+ games if the team didn't want him back. They will not become a victim of the vesting clause.

by Goofus on Nov 8, 2007 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Managing it to under 140 shouldn't be difficult. But it is delicate. Benching somebody to prevent them from reaching an incentive bonus is a pretty flagrant violation of the CBA and could provoke a slam dunk union grievance if it's handled poorly.

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by Roger on Nov 8, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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If they "rest" him every 7th or 8th game from the start, he'll pace toward 140 and make it pretty easy to have him sit a game here or thewre if they want to.

If what Furfy said is true about him retiring if he stinks, it'd probably not going to be a big deal anyway.

by Goofus on Nov 8, 2007 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Because it is an expensive gamble

No need to have a 40 year old SS and paying him 10.7M for two years of work. His defense has lost a step, his arm is not strong and he plays a very demanding position. Sabean should have began and ended his SS search elsewhere. If SF signed him for defense (I assume this is safe to say), MLB and MiLB is littered with great glove/weak stick SS and you can get them at a fraction of the cost.

by wilriv21 on Nov 8, 2007 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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So much cash does this put us down for Vizquel, Aurilia, Roberts, Klesko, and Durham? By which I mean, Vizquel + the bench.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2007 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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different punctuation would help me try and understand this.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Nov 8, 2007 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

not punctiation. I completely left a word out. I mean "how MUCH cash."

My fault.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2007 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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The answer is more than half of the should-have-been-for-A-Rod Fund.

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by thehavenot on Nov 8, 2007 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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We're not down for any cash for Klesko...yet.

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by EliminateMe on Nov 8, 2007 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

'08 is a huge unknown for Omar's offense and range. Why not give him a 1 yr deal for '08, then revisit the whole Goddamned issue in Nov of '08 and if we just cannot do without him, resign him for '09 then?

by allfrank on Nov 8, 2007 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

My guess is that Omar was holding out for a two-year deal, while the Giants wanted to offer just a single year. The option may well have represented a compromise.

Basically the Giants are saying that barring an injury or Omar's flat-out falling on his face, they are willing to bring him back for 2009.

Should Omar bounce back in 2008 and the Giants magically come up with a shortstop prospect who could start in 2009, Omar would likely be tradable. For instance, the White Sox might have an interest. :)

by sharksrog on Nov 8, 2007 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Yeah, a two-year deal is something to get upset about.

I can only hope that if he plays like last year then he won't get to 140 games.

I can only hope.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Nov 8, 2007 1:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I love Omar, great guy, but will someone PLEASE find a way to go to Florida during March, chloroform Hanley Ramirez and put him on a plane to SF?

Jeez. This is the only franchise that, in the words of a good friend of mine, would get a Michelin Star for having so many f'n retreads.

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by Van Smack on Nov 8, 2007 9:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Jake (San Diego): How upset should Giants fans be about Vizquel coming back for two more years? Suicidally despondent or merely self-mutiliatingly despondent?

Keith Law: (2:53 PM ET ) Moderately despondent. He's not blocking anyone (I like Velez but he's not a shortstop), he can still play defense, and the Giants weren't going to get a better shortstop this winter. It's not that big of a deal in terms of holding back their future plans.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Nov 9, 2007 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

But don't you realize the Orioles were going to pay us to take Tejada, only Sabean re-signed Vizquel instead? Don't you get it? Don't you? Don't you? Do you get it yet? Don't you get it? The team is destroyed for the next fifteen years! Don't you see? If I were the GM, I could trade Lowry, Sanchez, and zombie Mel Ott for Hanley Ramirez and three dates with Scarlett Johanssen, only Sabean's too uncreative! Don't you get it? We're doomed! Doomed! Don't you get it? Roooooosebuuudd... Liriaaaaaaannooo...

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Nov 9, 2007 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Well, actually, the O's ARE desperately trying to pay somebody to take Tejada off their hands, and I suspect he is going to move this winter. But that is alot of money to take for skills that appear to be declining rapidly.

I mean i know you're being sarcastic, but still...

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Nov 9, 2007 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Vizquel deal gets worse...

Can zombie Mel Ott play first?

by Evan on Nov 9, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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