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E for Effort

The Giants depth, graded:

Catcher:

Majors -  B-

High minors - D- (No more Kanoodler)

Low minors - C (Sandoval, maybe Witter)

First base:

Majors - F

High minors - F-

Low minors - D+ (This grade goes way up if D'Alessio hits well in A-ball and if Villalona moves to first)

Second base:

Majors - B-

High minors - C (Velez, Bergolla)

Low minors - C- (Denker, Sanders)

Shortstop:

Majors - D

High minors - D- (De la Rosa? Figueroa?)

Low minors - B (Burriss, Noonan, Schoop, Culberson, Bocock)

Third base:

Majors - ζ

High minors - Þ

Low minors - Þ+ (The "plus" is in case Villalona sticks. I don't know what those characters are, but I'm assuming they're lower than "Z".)

Corner outfield:

Majors - D+ (Winn, Roberts)

High minors - B- (Schierholtz, Lewis, Bowker, Ortmeier...for the purposes of this depth chart, I'm including current major leaguers like Lewis and Ortmeier here, which kind of makes "High minors" synonymous with "young and ready.")

Low minors - D- (Copeland, Baker, Neal)

Center field:

Majors - B (Winn, Roberts, Davis...this assumes that Winn and Roberts will play their natural position, which they won't. But if we needed them to, we have the depth...)

High minors - B- (Lewis, Timpner, Velez)

Low minors - C- (Richardson, McBryde, Jordan)

Starting pitching:

Majors - A- (This grade includes Misch, Sanchez, and Correia)

High minors - D+ (Kinney, Palmer, Begg, Pereira, McKae)

Low minors - A (Alderson, Sosa, Bumgarner, Tanner, Pucetas, Snyder, Martinez)

Relief pitching:

Majors - C-

High minors - C- (Sadler, Matos, Hedrick, Anderson)

Low minors - C- (Romo, Cowart, Wilding, Joaquin, Pichardo)

High minors = AA or AAA last season

Low minors = Rookie and A-ball last season

I'm grading the major league talent relative to the rest of the league. It's hard for me to do that with the minor league talent, as I'm not that knowledgeable with the systems of other teams, so slap me around if I'm way off.

This isn't my masterpiece organizational thesis; this is just my best guess. If the rest of y'all can whip it into shape, it could be a handy guide for the offseason. As in, "Why would we trade Bengie Molina for an A-ball pitcher when we have no catching depth in the high minors and pressing needs elsewhere in the organization?"

Maybe it'll help. Maybe you're already dozed off.  Dunno.

Your thoughts, if you would.

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Re: E for Effort
All in all your ratings look pretty good to me.  You certainly didn't sugar-coat them.

by sharksrog on Nov 29, 2007 1:10 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Sharksrog has made it a habit to critique Giants prospects, or the team for that matter, thinking the worst of them, yet is always eager to praise the opposition. On the AOL Giants board he actually has been accused of being a closet Dodger fan!! So it isn't shocking at all for Rog to agree with this dismal evaluation of the Giants Minor League system...
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading

by Mordy From Monsey on Nov 29, 2007 6:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
I can't see anywhere where he was particularly low and IMO was a little high in a couple of places. Like I've said before, every parent thinks their own baby is beautiful but not all parents are right. And we've got us some ugly babies down on the farm.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Nov 29, 2007 8:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Actually I'll check that. While I'm a tick more skeptical of the low minors SS than Grant is (I'm just not a believer in Burriss or Bocock's ability to hit higher levels of pitching, Schoop has tools but in three years hasn't been able to put them to consistent use in performance, and Culberson I'm waiting to see what a full season brings), I'm more bullish on the low minors 2B. Denker is reputed to be Dr. Strangeglove, but if the bat will play you can always find a place for him and more importantly, after glowing reports coming from Instructional League about Nick Noonan becoming the darling of the organization, I'm strongly tempted to think of him as the #2 prospect in the system and probably the strongest comer. I wouldn't be surprised to see him begin making appearances in Top 100s and Top 50s after 2008.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Nov 30, 2007 6:54 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Keep in mind that Schoop hasn't even turned 21 yet and has gotten physically bigger between 06 and  07 as well as improved his overall approach at the plate.

by RichH on Nov 30, 2007 10:05 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Absolutely. He's still my favorite of the bunch, just a smidge in front of Culberson. But rating him a B prospect at this point is more optimistic than I could go. I do think Noonan's probably a B+ but I think of him as a 2B as I noted above.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Nov 30, 2007 10:31 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
And IMHO, most other message boards are filled primarily with slack-jawed troglodytes who wish nothing more than to fling insults around the room like monkeys flinging poop.

This board, on the other hand, is mostly filled with reasonable people looking to discuss their favorite team, warts and all, in a friendly environment.  And if you wish to hear nothing but blind praise for the Giants, you might first change your tagline, where you insult our illustrious GM.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 29, 2007 10:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
JR, I appreciate your comments.My point wasn't to insult anyone rather to take what a particular poster says with a grain of salt. I happen to be pretty critical of the direction this team has been taking the past 5 years, yet I am extremely optimistic for the future.With our pitching depth we aren't that far away from competitive baseball. I just want to give some of the kids a chance and see no point in burying them before they ever play an MLB inning....
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading

by Mordy From Monsey on Nov 30, 2007 4:04 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Re-reading my post, I want to make sure I'm clear on one thing...  The fact that you're here tells me you're probably a pretty reasonable person.  So I mean no offense against you, nor am I saying YOU are a slack-jawed troglodyte.  Just that most of the r-tards posting on AOL boards or the Chronicle boards are not that bright or reasonable, as far as I've ever seen.  So apologies if I seemed to insult you.  It doesn't seem that you did, but I just wanted to make sure I didn't seem to blast you personally.

And while we're here, I agree I'd like to see the youngins play.  But our brilliant history of developing youth has left me, and many others, skeptical.  Still, I'd rather see the young than the old and infirmed playing for the Giants.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 30, 2007 9:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Þ is a thorn. As in, that's its name. It's an Anlgo-Saxon letter, which means it used to be an English letter (sort of) but was so old and useless, it was eventually kicked out.

Unlike the Giants' veterans.

It also made the 'th' sound, so it looks to me like Grant is giving the raspberry to the third basemen in our system. I think that definitely ranks below a Z.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Nov 29, 2007 1:13 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
A corrupted version of thorn became the "y" of pseudo-archaic phrases like "ye olde outfielder".
SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Nov 29, 2007 3:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
So "ye olde outfielder" should be pronounced as "the..."?

by sb on Nov 29, 2007 6:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Correct. It's just an archaic spelling of "the", distinct from "ye" as an archaic form of "you" (as in "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen").
This is my signature, not Goofus's.

by EliminateMe on Nov 29, 2007 7:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Huh huh huh
Bocock

Huh huh huh

Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 29, 2007 1:21 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
As my peeps say: Oy gevalt.
"There's not enough bases out there to intentionally walk everybody you want to." - Grady Little

by leftymalo on Nov 29, 2007 1:22 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
First off, no way is our 2B worthy of a B- right now. Frandsen at his best rates a C, while Durham in 2007 form rates a D.

Also -- and this may be more controversial -- I don't think our rotation warrants an A- either. We've got two nice pitchers in Cain and Lincecum, a super-lucky (to this point) average one in Lowry, a flat-out average one in Zito, and a whole bunch of question marks in the Sanchez/Misch/Correia pileup. I think a B+ is actually slightly charitable. When tongues around the league wag about the Giants' enviable rotation, they're really only wagging about Lincecain.

Final note: Bumgarner and Alderson are high-school pitchers. This cannot be underlined emphatically enough. These guys break down and wash out at monstrous rates, so much so that sabermetric-minded clubs essentially refuse to draft them with premium picks. Consider them high-upside, high-risk lottery tickets...but not the basis for optimism about the level of pitching in our low minors.

by drelmoraisin on Nov 29, 2007 1:30 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
I probably should have given a C to 2B, but I am banking on a little bounce back from Durham.

Regarding the SP, I think that most teams in the league would be ecstatic to have "average" in their three and four spots. It's a pretty rare thing to have rotation spots 1-4 filled with average to above-average, and the fifth starter pool will produce something closer to average than abysmal.

It isn't just high school pitching that breaks down and washes out; it's all young pitching in the low minors. That grade isn't saying "Yippee! We're going to be awesome in five years!", it's just noting that the Giants have a lot of low-level pitchers who appear promising. It wouldn't make sense to exclude high-school pitchers from that list.

And if you haven't read Baseball Prospectus's series on the draft, I can't recommend it enough. The anti-HS pitching faction hasn't been around for a couple of years now. College pitchers are about the same risk.

by Grant on Nov 29, 2007 1:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
"We've got two nice pitchers in Cain and Lincecum, a super-lucky (to this point) average one in Lowry, a flat-out average one in Zito, and a whole bunch of question marks in the Sanchez/Misch/Correia pileup. I think a B+ is actually slightly charitable. When tongues around the league wag about the Giants' enviable rotation, they're really only wagging about Lincecain."

"Two nice pitchers"?  Most of the teams in the league would kill to have "two nice pitchers" like them.  They are two potential aces, Cain has already put up with a nice 2007, and Lincecum looks ready with a 67% Dominant starts (using PQS methodology) in 2007 (top pitchers have over 50%, the elite have over 70%).

And people always look at Lowry as average because he doesn't have overpowering stuff, but he seems to suffer like Rueter did from that in terms of respect.  His ERA has been sub 4.00 throughout his career and he was only over 4 in 2006 because he apparently decided to pitch with pain which eventually DLed him, as his ERA was sub 4.00 going into September, then he got blasted.  Look at how many starters are actually under 4.00 in ERA and you will begin to understand how good Lowry is, particularly if he is our #4 starter.

I'll admit Zito had a horrible year in 2007 with us, but after Bochy made him relieve that one game, in 11 games, he threw 69 IP, had a 3.52 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 2.0 K/BB (min you want starters to have), 5.9 K/9 (bad, yes), 3.0 BB/9 (max you want pitchers to have).  That's not too far from what he did in 2005-2006 with the A's, adjusted for pitching in the NL where there are easy outs to be had with the 9th spot, the pitcher.  Again, sub 4.00 ERA pitchers are not that common, and he's essentially our #3 starter.  

Lastly, most team's #5 starter are no better than Sanchez, Misch, Correia, and at least Correia has a history of pitching OK as a starter, not great, not good, but good for a #5 starter, I think he has proven that he can be an acceptable #5 starter, look at his stats as a starter with the Giants:  he has a 4.33 ERA with a 1.46 WHIP in 27 career starts.  That's better than some team's #3 starter and he would be our #5.

All in all, we have a great rotation and deserves that A-, which is only a "-" because Lincecum and Zito has to prove that they can do it over a season for the Giants in 2008.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 29, 2007 4:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: I got yer 3B right here
+eleventy,

Please note the sig line. Not exactly unbiased.

Overlooked ?

My adopted son Matt Downs. He can hit a little.

by nvsfg on Nov 29, 2007 2:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: I got yer 3B right here
Don't forget Andrew Davis in low minors.  Streaky hitting but solid D.  Should come around.

Downs is a stud, it will be fun to see how he does next season.  Played 3B, 2B and 1B and played them all well.

by RichH on Nov 29, 2007 4:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Why the C- on low minors relief? Those names are pretty exciting, are they not?
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by hairball on Nov 29, 2007 1:49 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Just a few questions.
  1. How do you see Velez (High Minors) as only a C at 2B if you see Frandsen (Majors) as a B-?  To me Velez has way more upside then Frandsen.
  2. How do you see Ortmeier (High Minors) as a F- at 1B if you see him as a B- at Corner Outfield?
  3. Does it really make since to drop Winn and Roberts all the way to a D+ from a B just for moving from Centerfield to Corner Outfield?
  4. How do you see the Majors Relief Pitching as being a C- (Below Average)?  I see it as a B- (above average) I think the stats support my position far better then they do yours.  For example Fangraphs shows that the Giants' Bullpen last year had an 18.58 BRAA which is just 9.9 less the the Rotation's 28.48 BRAA.
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Giants&season=2007

by giantsrainman on Nov 29, 2007 2:04 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
  1. Velez might have more upside -- though I don't think that's a given -- but Frandsen is more likely to reach his peak. If Frandsen were in AA/AAA like Velez was last season, I have a feeling he'd be held in higher regard. Frandsen was rushed pretty quickly through the system.
  2. Ortmeier was just a name to tack on at the end of the corner outfielder list. He's about a D- as a potential RF and an F as a potential 1B, but that's a post for another time.
  3. I think so. Maybe C- would have been better, but there is a huge difference in value between a CF who hits like Winn and a RF who hits like Winn.
  4. I don't think Walker is a 1.26 ERA guy or that Wilson is a 2.28 guy (yet), and Chulk isn't guaranteed to come back. Those were three of the biggest contributors to the Fangraphs figure.

by Grant on Nov 29, 2007 2:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
I can basicly accept your answers to 1 and 2 as just a minor difference of opinion.  I see both Velez and Frandsen in the C to B- range at 2B and the difference is not enought to argue over.  Further, while I do not see Ortmeier as an F at firstbase, the D I see him as at either outfield or firstbase doesn't make this an arguement worth having either.

Where we do still disagree is 3 and 4.  To me anything more the a full grade difference (B down to C) for moving from CF to Corner Outfield is too much.  I also think you are forgeting that there is a quanity component as well as quality component to BRAA.  Yes, Wilson's and Walker's ERAs will go up but they can still achieve the same BRAA with ERAs in the mid 3's if they pitch 60+ innings (especially if these innings are the 9th and 8th) respectively.  I see no reason why we can't expect to have 5 of our projected releivers achieve BRAAs above 4 again in 2008 like we did in 2007.  

by giantsrainman on Nov 29, 2007 2:47 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Where we do still disagree is 3 and 4.  To me anything more the a full grade difference (B down to C) for moving from CF to Corner Outfield is too much.

I wouldn't say it's a full grade for changing positions. Grant counts Davis as a MLB player. So our center field possibilities are Robert/Winn/Davis (above average), while our corner outfield ones are Robert/Winn (way below average). It's basically a hole grade for changing position, plus half a grade for adding Davis. at least that's how I see it.

You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Nov 29, 2007 3:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
You don't think Davis would also join the Corner Outfield mix if we brought say Andruw Jones to play CF?  I just do not see the positon clange alone as being a justifiable basis to take these players down from a B to a D+.

by giantsrainman on Nov 29, 2007 3:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You are missing the point.
If Winn, Roberts, Daivs are a combined B as Centerfielders then I do not see how they can be less then a combined C as Corner Outfielders.  All 3 would clearly be well above average defenders as corner outfielders and the offensive difference between an average Centerfielder and an average Corner Outfielder is just no where near enough in my eyes to drop the grade of these 3 players combined by a grade and 2/3s from B to D+.

by giantsrainman on Nov 29, 2007 4:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: You are missing the point.
I think your missing the point rainman because there definitely is one. A center fielder can be a solid defender, high on base percentage, base stealer for the top of a lineup. Prototypically, a corner outfielder is a position that is supposed to provide power, while giving up some of the speed and defense. Look at the Red Sox, this years world champs... Coco Crisp, Man Ram, and J.D. Drew. That is an ideal outfield, speed and defense in center, power in the corners.
lincecum, cain, lowry, sanchez for jeff kent

by lincysgiants on Nov 29, 2007 9:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: You are missing the point.
I fully understand that more power is usually expected from corner outfielders and more speed from centerfielders.  That said, a speedy limited power player that rates as a B as a centerfielder just can't rate as a D as a corner outfielder.  This is just way to much of a reduction for this change in position.

by giantsrainman on Nov 29, 2007 9:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: You are missing the point.
Diff between LF/RF and CF, 2007 is about 40 points of OPS (10 OBP)

by zenbitz on Nov 30, 2007 9:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Maybe Davis would move to LF. But right now Grant has him as a CF. Again: Roberts/Winn/Davis = above average CF options. Winn/Roberts =  bad  corner outfield. A team has two starting corner outfielders but only one starting CF. Having 3 possible CF is a luxury. Having two corner outfielders is a must.
You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Nov 29, 2007 4:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
It would be very inconsistant of Grant to count the starting corner outfielders as depth for centerfield and not count the starting centerfielder as depth for Corner Outfield.  You need to either do both or neither.

by giantsrainman on Nov 29, 2007 4:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Both Roberts and Winn are originally CF. And like I said: there are two Corner Outfielders but only one CF, so having three CF shows more depth then Three COs.

Anyway, this is going nowhere; You think the difference between our CF and RF/LF depth is one grade. I think it's bigger. Lets just move on.

You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Nov 29, 2007 4:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
I would like to see what your problems with Ortmeier is so I can see what I'm missing.  

What I see has potential.  It's not like he wasn't a prospect before, he was considered a future starter with 20-20 potential in the outfield during his early minors.  

And he hit well in two separate stints last season.  It's not like Rajai Davis who had a hot month then an equally and oppositely cold month. Also, he did it while playing sparsely and as a replacement in his first stint, then hit better in his second stint when he got to start more and regularly.  Under all those varying conditions, he stayed steady as a hitter.  Small samples, yes, but still, he did it.

Plus his overall numbers was good, his OPS+ was 107 and his HR rate was 26 AB/HR, or about 20+ HR per season.  If you look at all the preferred Arizona young hitters, they are either around 100 OPS+ or severely below.

So why not start him at 1B with Aurilia as his backup if he should falter or fail?  We need to find out what he can do, he has shown some potential, and unless we can get a 1B in trade, which will be tough since we need a 3B even more badly in trade, why not let him see if he can seize the job?  Why not reward his good play last season?

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 29, 2007 5:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Um, maybe his continued string of terrible minor league numbers are more important that his last 150 PAs last year?

by zenbitz on Nov 30, 2007 9:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Corner outfield: High minors - B-

Quantity over quality?

by ResDog on Nov 29, 2007 2:18 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
I'm more bullish on Schierholtz than some, and I think Lewis could be a decent LF. I ain't getting off the Bowker wagon until he stalls in AAA, either.

by Grant on Nov 29, 2007 2:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
I've got a BP subscription and I'm on there at least a couple times a day. But fair enough, Alderson/Bumgarner are definitely high-ceiling, so we'll let your "A" rating slide.

In the meanwhile, I'll note that I'm Rob's publisher on the PlayStation magazine -- you should definitely hook up with him on some freelance. Love your blog -- I actually turned Rob onto it. Keep it up!  ;)

by drelmoraisin on Nov 29, 2007 2:27 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Thanks, and post more. That goes to all of the lurkers who know what they're talking about, too.

by Grant on Nov 29, 2007 2:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But then you miss all the pointless rambling....
Who we regulars (or semi-regulars) usually do!

That reminds me...who wants to talk about an earthquake in the middle of this diary?  Diary Hijack anyone?

Lance Niekro AAA Watch Final Results: 143 AB .301/.354/.490 8 2B 2 3B 5 HR 12 BB -- 0.2 IP 27.00 ERA 3 H 0 BB 0 K

by WalrusMan on Nov 29, 2007 3:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But then you miss all our pointless rambling
Did somebody say something about an earthquake?
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 29, 2007 3:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Earthquake
The brother is performing at Laff Stop in Houston Dec 5-8. Don't forget to tip the waitresses.

by wilriv21 on Nov 29, 2007 3:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Earthquake
That would be "Erfquake", if you've ever seen him perform. Extremely funny. I'd post a video, but the language would probably shut down the site :-)
My adopted son Matt Downs. He can hit a little.

by nvsfg on Nov 29, 2007 5:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: But
Are you living in the Carribeans right now?
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 29, 2007 5:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No...
Some place a bit colder.  The Land of Many Beers.
Lance Niekro AAA Watch Final Results: 143 AB .301/.354/.490 8 2B 2 3B 5 HR 12 BB -- 0.2 IP 27.00 ERA 3 H 0 BB 0 K

by WalrusMan on Nov 29, 2007 11:13 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I like that place name...
Into the sig it goes.
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Nov 29, 2007 11:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
I think Grant just took a shot at us regular posters who have no idea what we're talking about.

Pfft!

This is my signature, not yours.

by Goofus on Nov 29, 2007 3:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Some appreciation! And after all we've done to make this place what it is today...

Actually, now that I look at it that way, it's a wonder he hasn't banned us yet.

SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Nov 29, 2007 4:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
i think your high minors relief pitching is a little better than your grade as i think Pichardo belongs in that group also(spent sig. time at AA last year) - and both Pichardo and Romo should be in AAA before too long

by slojoe on Nov 29, 2007 3:08 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
When I think of E, I think of MILF-Ball

by kwyjibo on Nov 29, 2007 4:15 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Low minors catcher, I like Witter over Sandoval and LaTorre is better defensively than Williams. LaTorre bats lefty and has pretty good pop in his bat.  One to watch.

by RichH on Nov 29, 2007 4:48 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
LaTorre is a 24-year-old who just spent his second year in Salem-Keizer. He seems like an extreme long shot to ever sniff the majors.
This is my signature, not Goofus's.

by EliminateMe on Nov 29, 2007 4:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
LaTorre? As in LA Torre? Or worse... Lasorda-Torre?

That kind of name just can't have a future as a Giant.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 29, 2007 5:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Agreed, for some reason he doesn't get the love from the coaches but the kid has skills and takes advantage when givin the chance.  

by RichH on Nov 30, 2007 9:06 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Love the Denker.
Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Nov 29, 2007 4:59 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Somehow I like our system better when Steve S. is restricting us to a daily dose of who did well.

by NearestNorwich on Nov 29, 2007 7:57 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
The Giants minor league affiliates, as I recall, had the second best record, collectively, in MiLB in 2007.  If the players who created the second-best record flounder in the mediocrity that this blog assigns to them, what about the miserable bunches that the other, lower, twenty-eight teams must have.

by campanari on Nov 29, 2007 10:24 PM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Over the past decade, the Giants' minor league teams have often done very well. That success doesn't mean much when it comes to winning major league ballgames. It just means that players like Justin Leone, Damon Minor, and Ivan Ochoa can compete with younger players. But if you have a problem with any of the specific rankings, hit me with it.

Also, a good portion of the Giants' success at the minor-league level has been the pitching, which I give some credit here. And I'll always give credit to the pipeline of young pitching that makes this major league roster even half-interesting.

by Grant on Nov 30, 2007 12:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Just letting you know, there seems to be a formatting issue with your Third Base ratings--they're in some foreign language, it looks like Arabic or something.

Also, I'd give a starting rotation of Cain/Zito/Lince/Lowry/Correia a rating of A.. there isn't anything much better in the majors

by lmaozedong on Nov 30, 2007 11:55 AM PST   0 recs

Re: E for Effort
Oh, I see.. that would be a joke.

by lmaozedong on Nov 30, 2007 11:56 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Farm system overall
I heard from an unreliable source that the cumulative winning percentage for all 2007 Giants minor league teams was one of the highest among major league clubs. Is this true? Where could I find this information?

by theclap on Dec 5, 2007 2:45 AM PST   0 recs

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