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Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball

I wrote to the Hall of Fame a while back expressing my dissatisfaction with their participaton in Ecko's defacement of the #756 ball (copy of my message below):

Department:
info@baseballhalloffame.org

Subject:
Home Run Ball #756

Question and/or Comment:
I am very perturbed that the Baseball Hall of Fame is participating in the very public "attention grabbing" situation with Mr. Ecko. As a museum, it should be about preserving pieces of baseball history as memorabilia. Participating in Mr. Ecko's scheme to deface the ball in question for the sole purpose of making attention grabbing headlines and making a statement about his feelings about Mr. Bonds is very distasteful on the museum's part. The right thing to do by the Hall of Fame would've been to inform Mr. Ecko that you would accept the ball as long as it was intact and not defaced. It is shameful for the museum to be involved in this publicity stunt. The Board of Directors of this museum should apologize to the public for getting involved in this.
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Below is the Hall of Fame's response:

Dear Friend:

Thank you for your letter regarding Barry Bonds' 756th home run baseball which is being donated to the museum.  Thank you for taking the time to express your views and we apologize for the delay in returning a reply.

We understand your consternation in the Museum accepting this donation, but we strongly believe it is a relevant and important artifact that belongs in Cooperstown.   As an American history museum, our core mission is to tell the story of baseball history, both in the context of how it unfolds on the field, and also as it relates to American culture.  

As you know, the baseball from Bonds' 756th home run is being donated with an asterisk affixed to it. We do not condone defacing artifacts and would have preferred the baseball be donated in its natural state.  We were willing to look beyond that in this instance, because of the historical relevance connected to the baseball.  We will explain why it is defaced and what led to it being donated to the Museum in that condition.

In our opinion, the baseball speaks to many significant parallels between baseball and culture in 2007, some of which include: a representation of baseball fans' sentiments about the home record, for a one-week period in September 2007; a symbol of the adversity Barry Bonds had to endure in passing Hank Aaron to become the all-time home run champion, and; the passion baseball fans have for baseball history, as evidenced by the popularity of the online poll, in which 10 million votes were cast during a one-week period.

When this artifact is eventually donated and placed on display in the Museum, the entire story -- from when the baseball left Barry Bonds' bat and ended up in Cooperstown -- will be presented fairly and balanced with facts and not supposition: We share baseball history through exhibits and let our visitors interpret their own feelings.

Additionally, please know we have several other artifacts graciously donated by Barry Bonds from his career, including his historic 755th and 756th home runs.

We hope this sheds some light into our thinking.  Thanks again for sharing your opinion, which we value.

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Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
On a related note, Barry said he won't attend his HOF induction ceremony if they display the ball with the asterisk: http://tinyurl.com/2gmqqd
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by Natto on Nov 2, 2007 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
I would fully support Barry's decision if he ends up never visiting the Hall. Imagine what it would be like if he went - it'd be like they're saying, we think you're a cheater, Barry, but we want you to come to the ceremony anyway.

by raisingcain on Nov 2, 2007 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
"...will be presented fairly and balanced with facts and not supposition..."

Pardon me, but I've heard this fair and balanced bullshit once before.  By any chance is an ex-Fox News suit or born-again Republican the head of the Hall of Fame?!?

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 2, 2007 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

As a matter of fact...
The president of the Hall of Fame, Dale Petrosky, was an assistant press secretary in the Reagan White House and was responsible for this proud little moment in the history of the HOF.

that observation of yours was a little too accurate to be a guess, right?

you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Nov 2, 2007 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: As a matter of fact...
Hahahaha...that's hilarious.  It WAS a guess actually.  Damn I'm good!
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 2, 2007 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
this isn't the place to air your irrelevant political views.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 2, 2007 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
I'm hoping something is broken inside this Sarcasm Meter3000 I've been lugging around.

Because if I just started an all-out flame war with nothing but a snarky comment regarding the usage of "fair and balanced" than I fear for what this place is becoming.

For the record, it's appropriate to discuss both a poster and Dwight cutting their unit while peeing into a soda can, but it isn't right to make a perfectly valid comment about the leadership in this country?  Is that correct?

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 2, 2007 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
that's correct.  If you want to say that war in Iran is somehow a bad idea, that fascism is on the march in Washington and that we're all going to drown in twenty years, there are plenty of pinko websites to choose from.
you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Nov 3, 2007 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Wait... they have Barry's 755th and 756th homeruns? And he donated them? I don't understand. The homeruns themselves? The event of the homerun? He donated those? They have them?

I really don't get it. If they mean the ball, they're full of shit, because Bonds didn't donate either one. If they mean the homeruns, they're full of shit because you can't donate or have a literal moment in time preserved in a museum.

Who wrote that response letter? Can they be shot? I mean shot with the "smart" gun. I think they could use it.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
I think giantsrainman is their press guy.  That funny thing called grammer...gets you every time!  :)
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 2, 2007 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
You're figuring that including his historic 755th and 756th home runs is meant to modify artifacts from the beginning of the sentence rather than career, the word just before? I mean, it is an awkward sentence; I would have included another from, making it ...donated by Barry Bonds from his career, including from his historic 755th and 756th home runs, but as I understand it, English grammar does allow you to use the preposition once for things like that, as in "this juice is made from fruit including apples".
Thank you,
-Vardibidian.

by Vardibidian on Nov 2, 2007 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
I remember reading (I believe it was in the Chronicle) that BB donated his jersey, pants, shoes and (I think) the bats for both 755 and 756. If I find the article I'll link it.
The Johnnie LeMaster fan club vice-president. E6 Forever!

by Van Smack on Nov 2, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Thanks.

That's perfectly in line with the other comment I got about the intended meaning of that poorly written sentence, and it makes sense, too. Thanks to both of you for clearing that up for me.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
My god, the grammer police on this site are going crazy.  When did being an english major become a requirement to post?  

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Actually, being an English major has very little to do with learning and understanding the rules of standard English grammar, and is rarely interested in the English language itself. Rather, the focus tends to be on the comprehansion and critical analysis of works of literature written in the English language.

That would be Linguistics that is required major for posting on this site.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
the focus tends to be on the comprehansion and critical analysis of works

I hope the first lesson is all about irony.  :)

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by BruteSentiment on Nov 2, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Hey, we all understend what I meant! Being an Engish major isn't about spelling! It's about understending and comprehanding! Get of my back!!!
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Linguistics -- which is, generally speaking, a scientific appreciation of language acquisition and usage, is not a requirement for posting here.

A lot of spare time that would otherwise be filled up with power drinking and breathless bonging -- that is the requirement.

by Moggeee on Nov 2, 2007 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
30+ Years ago a history professor of mine got seriously sick and an English professor took over the class.  All of a sudden we now needed to write our papers like "works of literature" perfectly "understanding the rules of standard English grammar" even though he and any one else reading them understood exactly what the intended meaning was.  Suddenly A papers became Cs.  Fortunatly our history professor got better and returned to work before the end of the semester and re-graded all the papers that had been penalized for grammar mistakes.  He recognized that History teaches us that the results of the use of language (understanding the meaning) not the rules is all that really matters.

To bad some here think that attacking the grammar of a post is a good way to attack the substance of the post.  What all those that do this fail to realize is that using this tactic really just proves that they can not refute the substance of the post.

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darn if I missed the point again
Or, in some cases, Rainman, the substance in the post.

;-)

by Moggeee on Nov 2, 2007 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Darn if I missed the point again
Ah, I feel much better, here is your "substance" back.

;-)

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Yeah, and 50+ years ago it was still a requirement of the English degree to learn Latin and Greek. Things change. You still obviously get penalized for writing incompetently, but content is the much heavier weight in any modern English class worth its weight today. Any professor that still clings to the archaic ideals of form over content is a jerk, and shouldn't have the job they do.

And even 30+ years ago, that individual English professor was most likely a jerk more than anything else, not the least of all for failing to understand the difference in academic training between his old students and his new ones, but also for penalizing so heavily, but also not the least of all for failing to recognize content in the first place.

Why do I even care? Whatever. I don't need to defend the study of English. It's not like I can get it any respect anyway. It's the single most looked down upon field of study there is. "So, you want to be a teacher? How cute." "You know you can't do jack with an English degree, right?" "Stop learning about spelling and grammar and do something useful!" "It's not as hard or as worthwhile as math." Whatever. People will think what they think about what I choose to love, and it's not my fault that they base most of that on crap that's been criminally out of date for decades.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
I did not mean to push your buttoms.  I certainly did not mean any disrepect for those that study and appriciate the english language and it's literature.  One of my daughters undergraduate degree was in English simply becuase she has always loved to read and also learned to love to write.  She has found a good use for this talent other outside of teaching and writing literature (which are also good uses).  She is currently persuing a law degree where she can combine this love of our lauguage with perhaps the most important use of our lauguage (the laws we all live by).

You have my appology for the disrespect I have caused you to feel.

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
I'm just having a bit of a life crisis tonight, and the whole English thing is an especially sore subject when I'm having a life crisis (because, well, it's kind of an integral part of that "life" thing for me). I'm glad you didn't mean anything by it, though.
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quit your carping
You'll note that although in a mortal crisis, Howie still took valuable time out to hunt me down and whip on me with a panfish.

by Moggeee on Nov 2, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Quit your carping
Not just a panfish, my man. You'll recall my whipfish of choice is the sunfish!

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Quit your carping
Holy Jebus that's a big'un.  I was thinking something, ya know...a little smaller.  King Salmon perhaps?!?

We don't want to kill Moggs...just fishwhip him back to "reality".

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 3, 2007 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Quit your carping
Sunfish are awesome. If I didn't study art, I probably would've been a marine biologist. Also if I got over my fear of open water.
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by Natto on Nov 3, 2007 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Head Up
Hey Howie...I have an anecdote I like to relay to my classes when I sense they're feeling like English is bullshit: I was at a party a couple of years ago, and found myself in a conversation with the ultimate obnoxious salesman-of-the-year type (just back from a seminar in Vegas, no less). Now usually when the subject of my profession comes up, people either become patronizing ("Good for you") or well...crappy ("government waste/waste of time" et al--you know the drill). Anyhoo, much to my surprise, when I told this dude what I do, he positively glowed. "I was an English major in college! Total accident; I played water polo..." (he had to throw that in) "...and the business classes were always filled, so my coach said English would be an easy second choice. Best thing that ever happened to me! It made me articulate, helped me write more convincing documents, and helped me understand what makes people tick. I can read them like books, now (hee hee). I wouldn't be the salesman I am now if not for being an English major!"

At that point he offered to come speak to my classes as well, though I politely declined. Anyway, I'm not sure if that helps, but it can be a pretty good comeback when all else fails, I've found, if someone wants a practical reason for why English matters.

My son (Kevin Correia) is an honors student at Righetti Prep

by VidaWantsYourCar on Nov 3, 2007 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
can't they just remove the asterisk?
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 2, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
(Sorry, computer connection cut out, so sorry if this appears twice)

Apparently Ecko was going to have the ball branded so that the mark could not be removed.

It really saddens me that some yahoo prick wants to make some sort of silly statement about the steroids issue by doing this. The item is *baseball history*, and for that reason alone should not be marked in any way prior to going into the Hall.

The Johnnie LeMaster fan club vice-president. E6 Forever!

by Van Smack on Nov 2, 2007 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Why not just display the ball asterisk down on a stand designed to cover it? It's not like you can't accept a branded ball and still not accept the brand itself. Just keep the thing out of view.

I know it won't ever happen that way because the asterisk will be the biggest tourist attraction the Hall had since, I don't know, Ted Williams's head... but really...

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 10:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
That would be good, but something tells me Ecko is thinking of a way to make sure that no matter what angle it's viewed at, or what covers it, his "influence" will be seen.

It's that arrogance on his part that really steams me----that he would have that much disrespect to the point where he felt the need to make some sort of stupid point.

The Johnnie LeMaster fan club vice-president. E6 Forever!

by Van Smack on Nov 3, 2007 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
You think he can somehow fit the Ecko brand somewhere into the asterisk.  It wouldn't be that hard to do. Maybe little rhino-heads incorporated into the cross hashes of the *.

by kennv on Nov 3, 2007 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Just how long is it going to take for you all to look beyond the ball and asterisk itself?  Will that ever happen?

It was a publicity stunt, no more, no less.  Could it be that he was looking for a way to get his mug on the tele (for relatively cheap, no less) for the better part of a week or two while making what I find an interesting commentary on modern day memorabilia?

HE GOT YOU TALKING ABOUT HIS BRAND AND THAT'S ALL HE WAS TRYING TO DO!  For quite some time, when people hear the name Mark Ecko, they'll make an instant connection with that piece of rawhide.  As many of the drugged up Hollywood starlets can attest...sometimes bad publicity is better than no publicity at all.  

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 3, 2007 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
Out of morbid curiosity (and time available) I tuned in to the ESPN shouting sportswriters shows to see what they would holler about regarding the Bonds interview, and found it somewhat intriguing that Mariotti and Paige took the "What makes you think you're getting in to the HOF, Barry? I'm not voting for you! Neener, neener, neener!" stance, while Adande and Blackistone said he deserved to be enshrined and could completely understand his stance. So to summarize: a split down the middle with old crotchety white guys having seizures over Bonds, and young(er) black guys nodding their heads in agreement with knowing looks on their faces. Kornheiser and Wilbon were more judicious in their responses in general, neither of them having a fit in either direction, because they aren't as starved for attention as the "Horn" heads are.
My son (Kevin Correia) is an honors student at Righetti Prep

by VidaWantsYourCar on Nov 3, 2007 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

as history buff...
I'm a history buff (I collect some historical memorabilia; I have a signature of John Adams & another sample of his writing, as two examples) and I revere the study of history and appreciation of meaningful artifacts, so I am torn.  I guess I can understand the HoF accepting the ball and displaying it-- it IS historical and they ARE a business.  But I guess I wish they had been not quite so breezy before Ecko held his poll; they were pretty unconcerned & unaffected at the prospect of defacement or destruction; "yeah, sure, we'll take it either way, whatever."  They could have used their deeper voice, the voice of what has become a professionalized historical museum in the last 20 years, and lobbied a little harder against destruction or defacement.  I wish they had.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Nov 3, 2007 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Couldn't they hide the asterisk?
If they really do not condone the defacing of such items, couldn't they display the ball in a way that hides the asterisk. Maybe in a way such that the asterisk in covered by the pedestal.

It seems to me that showing the ball with the asterisk could encourage future acts of douche baggery.  

by Scottsdale on Nov 5, 2007 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
I'm fine with the Hof's position that they're there to chronicle baseball's history, not make a judgement call on something.  Regardless of how I feel about Ecko, the controversey and debate around PEDs is certainly becoming part of baseball's story. To be a true museum, they have to cover the entire story, warts and all.

For those that think Ecko's stunt is shameful, it pales in comparison to racially segregating the game or the black sox scandal, and those parts of the game are well-chronicled at the HoF.

I just hope when they disply the ball, they tell the story of the asterisk from a balanced perspective that includes discussion of the "steroid era" and not just Bonds.

From the HoF's point of view, the defaced ball will probably be much more a point-of-interest and generate much more discussion than it would have been.

by Goofus on Nov 5, 2007 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Hall of Fame Position on Barry's 756 Ball
The difference is that segregation and the Black Sox scandal are part of baseball history. Ecko is not. But by displaying the defaced ball and the explanation for how it got that way, the Hall would turn his publicity stunt into a permanent part of baseball history.

A historical retrospective of the "steroids era" will be necessary - at some point in the future, when time has given us a better perspective on what it really meant. But a minor fashion designer should not be made into an integral part of that, or any other exhibit.

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by EliminateMe on Nov 5, 2007 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

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