Same 'ol subject, new angle.

by BawLa on Nov 10, 2007 9:50 AM PST

Being as this is the eleventy-billionth A-Rod thread let me make this quick.

We need to sign A-Rod so he doesn't go to LA.

Thoughts?

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Don't worry,

According to the NYT, Torre may want Bernie Williams

"We haven't talked about it, but I certainly wouldn't close the door as far as listening to him and taking a look and seeing," Torre said before the annual gala for his Safe at Home Foundation, a charity devoted to curbing domestic violence. "He'd have to relocate, and I'm not sure if he's into that."

by rfloh on Nov 10, 2007 9:42 AM PST reply actions

Re: Don't worry,

you just know he wouldn't bench Juan Pierre to make room for Bernie. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make Matt Kemp expendable

you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Nov 10, 2007 11:54 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Don't worry,

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sorry, I just can't contain my laughter right now. So Joe Torre will be just as much an enabler for Ned Colletti as Bruce is for Sabes!

"You know what, Ned? We don't need ARod. BERNIE is available!"

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 12, 2007 9:56 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

by rfloh on Nov 10, 2007 9:42 AM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

That's no way to talk about the Pope.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 10, 2007 9:43 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

"And the Popa is coming!"

by mxmob33 on Nov 10, 2007 11:02 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

Season three, same episode as Lincoln Logs, Kabuki Doug and Prom Photos? Anyone?

by mxmob33 on Nov 12, 2007 7:42 AM PST up reply actions

WTF?

by rfloh on Nov 10, 2007 9:45 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

+1!!!!

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Nov 10, 2007 11:38 AM PST up reply actions

IB4 RAINMAN

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Nov 10, 2007 9:51 AM PST reply actions

Sigh.....

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 10, 2007 9:56 AM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

No thanks

Cain is Able if runs are granted

by ACgiant87 on Nov 10, 2007 10:00 AM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

If the dogs get him, they'll never win.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Nov 10, 2007 10:23 AM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new (d)angle.

From the look on Rainy's face you'd think he's getting a rod...

Rockies juggernaut rolls o...ver , dead. NL West TempestTeapot CASE IN POINT!

by victor frankenstein on Nov 10, 2007 11:05 AM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

I thought that was just a "you never know" type a comment from Joe Torre. I don't put any credence into it. Why do you spend 30 million per season on a player when you have a promising kid like Andy LaRoche in the wings?? Then again, Colletti seems to do it all the time. ARod makes much more sense for the Giants, who have a hole at third base, no kid anywhere near ready, and not even one bat for the heart of the order. They also will be looking at an attendance drop of biblical proportions if they don't get a big named everyday player to replace Bonds.

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 10, 2007 11:34 AM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

But Colletti doesn't do it all the time. At mid season when Colletti asked McCourt for the sheckels to pump up a playoff bound team he was told the cupboard was bare and to make do with the kids. McCourt bought the Dodgers for no money down, has further leveraged the team as its value went up and just doesn't have the kind of money he would need to subsidize a cash losing team. Colletti will kick the tires, haven't you noticed that Colletti kicks the tires on everybody? but ARod isn't going to the Bums.

non illigitimi carborundum, excessum Sabeanus.

by Moderation on Nov 10, 2007 11:53 AM PST reply actions

Do you have numbers for this?

Dodgers fans that I've asked say that McCourt has money to spend.

by rfloh on Nov 10, 2007 12:07 PM PST up reply actions

OUTRAGE!

You shouldn't be talking to child molesting pet murderers!

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Nov 10, 2007 12:10 PM PST up reply actions

Well it's fun to tease

the child molesting pet murderers about Ned Colletti and his favourite out-making CF.

by rfloh on Nov 10, 2007 1:35 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Do you have numbers for this?

The McCourts seem like EXACTLY the kind of owners who would sign A-Rod. They're eager for attention and approval. The Torre signing was exhibit 'A' of their mindset. Plus, Bill Plashcke's been whacking them in LA Times for the last few months. The LA baseball intelligentsia seems to want the Dodgers to jettison some of their young players and sign an impact bat. It wouldn't surprise me if they sign A-Rod and jettison two of Kemp, LaRoche, Loney and Kershaw. I imagine their package of youngsters could net either Cabrera or Santana. They'd look good going into 2008 and 2009 and set to crash and burn somewhere after that.

by Nathan on Nov 10, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Do you have numbers for this?

You know, for three of that group I might even consider trading Lincecum or Cain.

Loney, LaRoche and Kershaw would definately get me thinking about doing it.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Nov 10, 2007 1:19 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Do you have numbers for this?

There'll be good news if the Dodgers sign A-Rod, but don't get Santana. They(Dodgers) lose leverage in any deal to move LaRoche and Lowry might be sufficient to net LaRoche AND something useful.

by Nathan on Nov 10, 2007 1:22 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Do you have numbers for this?

Well on one side we have your Dodger friends. On the other side we have pretty much the entire baseball business press, including Forbes. I'm loyal to my friends too, but I'm going with the numbers here.

non illigitimi carborundum, excessum Sabeanus.

by Moderation on Nov 10, 2007 2:31 PM PST up reply actions

Em, I asked for the numbers

Forbes valued the Dodgers as the 4th most valuable team in MLB, behind the 2 east coast empires and the Mets.

By revenues, they were also 4th behind the Yanks, Sox and Mets.

By operating income, they were 2nd behind the Marlins.

Well on one side we have a poster attempting to be snarky. On the other side we have Forbes. I'm going with Forbes here.

by rfloh on Nov 10, 2007 11:14 PM PST up reply actions

3b is a next priority

Just listening to Sabean sounds like he will have a new 3b before the ARod sweepstakes are concluded. I really believe Sabean wants more Venenzuelan loving and will see what he can do to trade for Miguel Cabrera. Obviously he would prefer not to trade either Cainer or Lincy, however, you've got to give to get. Stay tuned.

by wilriv21 on Nov 10, 2007 1:35 PM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

I'm very reservedly hoping that the circumstances lead to the Giants getting either LaRoche or Kemp.

The circumstances being 1. Colletti 2. Our rebuilding 3. The Dodgers desire for a pitcher

I really don't think that Lowry for something good from the Dodgers is completely out of the picture.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Nov 10, 2007 1:36 PM PST reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

while imagining lowry wearing dodger blue makes me sick... i would definitely do those deals... signal agent Colletti and let him know that phase III* of operation blue crush is set to commence.

*Phase I was the signing of savvy vets with good speed and defense to block good young prospects. Phase II was the apparent willingness of LA to take our useless parts off our hands in return for low level minor leaguers a la Sweeney for Denker.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2007 2:48 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

Jason Schmidt is supposed to be ready right from the start next year, isn't he?? They're stuck with Loaiza, and already have Penny, Lowe and Billingsley. That makes five. I can see them attempting to deal for Johan Santana because he's the best, but what do they need Noah Lowry for?? As for signing ARod, Boras was saying that he expected Andruw Jones to be a better fit for the Dodgers than ARod, so I think they don't expect the Dodgers to be major players in the ARod game. I wouldn't put much stock in what Joe Torre says at a New York charity function. He probably just wanted to throw something in the Steinbrenner's face about his team signing ARod and Bernie Williams.

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 10, 2007 7:09 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

Geez, I forgot about Loiaza. Curses.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Nov 10, 2007 8:27 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

You might want to cross off the possibility that A-ROD will be coming to the Giants if what I read in the NY Daily news (Bill Madden article) is true. I was not aware of the fact that the Giants "have two more years remaining on the revenue-sharing subsidy they get for building their new stadium. Once that's up, they go from payees to payers."

by Buzzword on Nov 11, 2007 7:21 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

So in two years when Miguel Cabrera hits the FA market we will have money to sign him???

Brian Wilson for Closer!

by BawLa on Nov 11, 2007 9:51 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

Not if the Giants want to keep Lincecum and Cain when they hit free agency.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 11, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

I presume we could sign 'em all.

Brian Wilson for Closer!

by BawLa on Nov 11, 2007 3:02 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

Assuming Cain and Lincecum develop as predicted, and FA contracts continues to grow, they're both going to be demanding at least Zito money when they become free agents. Even if the Giants payroll grows with the FA market, there's no way that they'd invest 80M in just four players (those fours being Cabrera, Zito, Cain and Lincecum).

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Nov 11, 2007 3:32 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

easy solution for Magowan. Build another new stadium!! I want the Giants to sign ARod, but I have no illusions that they will actually do so.

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 11, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Same 'ol subject, new angle.

This is not my understanding. I think that as long as they are still making payments on the stadium the interest portion of these payments can continue to be duducted just as they have been in the past.

by giantsrainman on Nov 11, 2007 4:57 PM PST up reply actions

Payments

Seems as though I read someplace that the league is so PO'd at the Giants for building their own stadium that they don't get the same deduction on the interest that other teams do on their lease payments.

by DrBGiantsfan on Nov 11, 2007 9:25 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Payments

why would the league be mad at the Giants for building their own stadium?? They wanted them to stay in San Francisco after the 1992 season, and they know that the voters turned down a new stadium year after year. Is their desire for the Giants to STILL be in Candlestick, hemorrhaging money??

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 12, 2007 5:00 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Payments

Because it plants the ugly seed in taxpayers' minds that other multi-billionaries could fork up some of their own dough for these things as well. Here in DC there's a fairly famous story about the meeting between the baseball relocation committee and the city government. Giving their pitch for helping build the new stadium, a member of the DC committee said "now we have an aggressive plan that would allow for a 60-40 split of the costs." The baseball guys laughed out loud and when they regained there composure, Jerry Reinsdorph said "We're thinking more along the lines of a 100-0 split. You guys better go back and get a new plan."

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Nov 12, 2007 10:12 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Payments

It's a whole privately funded/publically funded thing, which determines the way the league itself can make money off the stadium. I forget how it works, but the league makes less off of a privately funded ballpark. Hence, they don't like it.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 12, 2007 10:12 AM PST up reply actions