No'Dunn for Giants
Excuse my lame attempt at creating a pun.
I'm not sure if this has been posted in a comment already, but the Reds picked up Dunn's $13 million option today.
Thoughts?
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Re: No'Dunn for Giants
In plans for Dunn were just pipe dreams with no foundation in reality.
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2007 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
by groug on Oct 31, 2007 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
Since new manager Dusty Baker doesn't like Base-Cloggers, and whereas Adam Dunn is one of the biggest artery cloggers ever, a conflict in style may arise.
They would have been dumb not to exercise it.
However, remember, they are the Reds: they do dumb things.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 31, 2007 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
Castanelli and Krivsky are 'tarded and would totally do this to make a run at bonds or any number of the free agents.
I'm not saying it was a large chance, but it had been mentioned that they might decline the option.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 31, 2007 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
by giantsrainman on Oct 31, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
also, Dusty had playing for him two of the most awesomest players ever in Jeff Kent and Barry Bonds.
He effing killed Rob Nen and left el fatso in for too long. His tenure with the giants was strained at best and absoulutely wretched at the worst. The fact that he kept his job so long was simply due to the awesomeness of Barry Bonds.
saying that dusty was the best manager in Giants history is an atrocity and a crime against baseball and against our team. Dusty Baker was a fucktard that ruined countless pitchers. Any idiots that hired that talentless windbag deserve whatever hellish tailspin he sends them into.
good luck to Homer Bailey. I feel bad for the kid.
Anyone that trades for Royce Clayton, Gary Majewski and Bill Bray is what you would call "dumb"
krivsky has continually failed to trade Griffey, who could have brought back quite a bit and routinely does nothing to improve his team.
Reds management is probably worse than ours. They're a little bit better farm system-wise, but come on.
sure, this decision was an easy one, but the team has been known to do dumb things before.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 1, 2007 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
by victor frankenstein on Nov 1, 2007 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slo
by camwoody on Nov 1, 2007 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: keith law dumb
by Mark carry on on Nov 1, 2007 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: keith law dumb
Ah... concise and convincing argument. I change my stance completely.
by camwoody on Nov 1, 2007 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have
by camwoody on Nov 1, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do you have
by Mark carry on on Nov 1, 2007 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do you have
by camwoody on Nov 1, 2007 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do you have
sorry, you're probably not a jackass. I shouldn't have made internet insults as it's not really my thing.
I like his chats. I like his insight. I don't think he's dumb. I think he's pretty cool.
by Mark carry on on Nov 1, 2007 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do you have
Now I am not saying that I am more of an expert than Law. I most assuredly am not. I am saying that the majority of what these "experts" say is conjecture because they not held accountable for being wrong.
by camwoody on Nov 1, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do you have
Keith Law may not be the most informed guy, but he reported a rumor that the reds were still debating whether or not to exercise Dunn's option.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 2, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do you have
by camwoody on Nov 7, 2007 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And anyone who trades away
Or maybe, just maybe, it's wiser to look at the entirety of a GMs record?
How do you knoe that Griffey could have brought back quite a bit? Griffey is no longer the player he was. Throw in his age and well known injury issues.
Name me one GM in MLB who has not done something dumb.
by rfloh on Nov 1, 2007 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: And anyone who trades away
All I'm saying is Law brought up a rumor and i'm sure the Reds may have went over the decision a few times; it wasn't a foregone conclusion.
Also, griffey had tons of trade potential most every offseason and right around the trade deadline. The reds could bring back two good prospects or more for the guy.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 2, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: And anyone who trades away
tony womack for two average prospects
Jeff Conine for two more
Brendan Harriss traded away
Wayne Krivsky is a bad GM. He has done very few things right.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 2, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SLO is absolutely right; Baker = idiot
It is an interesting question (to me) of how many wins each category is worth. I believe that the 21-hrs-that's-not-the-game IS an important part of the job during the season. It is probably worth several wins to set the right atmosphere and make your guys feel the way they need to feel to do their best. (I think that atmosphere is different for different groups; I don't think it's just a matter of throwing out the rulebook.) In-game strategy is absolutely worth a few wins, too, maybe more than a few.
But when you get to the post-season???? It's (nearly) ALL strategy, baby. By that time, your players are in synch, they've been succeeding as a team all year, the atmosphere is whatever it is, etc.
Sending Dusty into the post-season is like going on 'Jeopardy' never having heard of Shakespeare. Sure, you'll nail the stuff you're good at (state capitals, food questions), but you KNOW there's going to be some important Shakespeare stuff sooner or later, and you are going to flat-out blow it. Guaranteed.
He will never, ever, ever, ever, not once, not a single time, ever, ever win a World Series. He's the Shakespeareless guy on 'Jeopardy'-- he can get on the show, but never be champion. Not only is he bad at strategy in the game, he doesn't even freaking recognize it.
by Mayor of 311 on Nov 1, 2007 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post more often, Mayor!
by Lyle on Nov 1, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: SLO is absolutely right; Baker = idiot
I agree with you up to a point. How much strategy was required by the Red Sox to beat the tar out of the Rockies? Actually, how much MANAGER input was required?
Not a whole hell of a lot.
Maybe you should just use Dusty Baker to get to the playoffs, then send him on a junket and let whomever is the bench coach take over for a few weeks.
by zenbitz on Nov 1, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: SLO is absolutely right; Baker = idiot
by Mayor of 311 on Nov 1, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: SLO is absolutely right; Baker = idiot
by rxmeister on Nov 1, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: SLO is absolutely right; Baker = idiot
For me, it's the exact same as when otherwise seemingly intelligent adults question evolution. HUH? What is it about the massive f'ing accumulated evidence that has eluded you???? Or is it the entire concept of belief based on data rather than superstition/toothpicks & wristbands????
by Mayor of 311 on Nov 1, 2007 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: SLO is absolutely right; Baker = idiot
But when you get to the post-season???? It's (nearly) ALL strategy, baby.
That is what you said. It's not an anecdote, it's a counterexample. Sometimes, winning the WS requires NO i.e. ZERO strategy. And in fact, one can win a WS with a NEGATIVE strategy (see Brenly, Bob).
Now, even if you were to soften your point and say 'in the post season, strategy is important", I would disagree.
I don't think strategy is particularly important during the post season. It's a good idea not to give up outs, and post season bullpen/pitching management is different, which could trip up a moron.
But consider the horrific post season non-strategic mistakes of one Baker, Dusty: Shawon and Shinjo.
Hmmm... but I see you think deciding whether to play Ortiz at first is strategy...
by zenbitz on Nov 2, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
by slojoe on Nov 1, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
by giantsrainman on Nov 1, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is as bad a defensive player as Bonds
Dunn was about 30 runs above average offensively in 2007. If he is an average defender he would be worth $20M. He is not.
Defensively, RZR had him a 18 runs below average, ZR at 4 runs below average, averaged out to 11 runs below average.
Offensively and defensively, 20 runs above average. That is worth about $16M.
by rfloh on Nov 1, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Dunn is as bad a defensive player as Bonds
by giantsrainman on Nov 1, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Dunn is as bad a defensive player as Bonds
I didn't know 1B was a "positions."
You crack me up rainman.
by kwyjibo on Nov 1, 2007 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Dunn is as bad a defensive player as Bonds
by giantsrainman on Nov 1, 2007 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty outmanaged LaRussa In 02
Dusty is treated unfairly by the "experts", and I really enjoy reading the Keith Law and Rob Neyer points of view. He's not the best or worst manager in regards to strategy and he deserves more respect. At one time he was the guy everyone wanted to play for. In 2002 and 2003 he was probably a top 5. He is an intelligent, well-rounded, soulful guy and I was proud to have him as our leader. We had an identity then. But would I want him as our skipper today? Probably not. I'd keep Bochy until we get good again (2009), and then try and lure someone cooler.
by Goat on Nov 1, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Dusty outmanaged LaRussa In 02
I'm not a huge motivational guy, but many players swore by Dusty. Players actually wanted to play for him, which may have helped in free agent recruitment. Dusty was able to co-exist with difficult superstars Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa.
The thing I worried most about was Dusty's possibly killing off arms. For years he avoided doing so, but the odds seemed to be catching up with him when he left the Giants.
Robb Nen lost his arm under Dusty, and I don't think Dusty helped Felix Rodriguez much. Who knows if Dusty overused Russ Ortiz and contributed to Russ's ultimate arm problems? Livan Hernandez threw a lot of pitches under Dusty, but went on to flourish in 2003-2005.
Dusty did appear to overuse both Mark Prior and Kerry Wood. Prior's problems began with a baseline collision, so it probably isn't fair to put all his difficulties on Dusty, but I think Wood's problems lie more squarely on Dusty's shoulders.
I wonder how many managers actually make a positive difference for their teams. Strategically, the best managers are usually the ones who hurt their teams the least. But motivation would indeed seem to be a possible positive force. And it is his motivation that Dusty is known for.
by sharksrog on Nov 1, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Dusty outmanaged LaRussa In 02
by Goofus on Nov 1, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Wood
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Nov 1, 2007 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Wood
by rxmeister on Nov 1, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Trying to Spring Some Wood
by Mayor of 311 on Nov 1, 2007 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
There, I'm done.
by Goofus on Nov 1, 2007 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same way about steaks.
by multiphasic on Nov 1, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No'Dunn for Giants
Bochy was a "safe" choice -- not an inspired one. Was it truly realistic to expect more?
by sharksrog on Nov 1, 2007 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Nov 1, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Nov 1, 2007 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by milesntrane on Nov 1, 2007 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by milesntrane on Nov 1, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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