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Chad Tracy?

by NeifiChicken on Oct 4, 2007 8:51 PM PDT

He's always killed us and while he's hardly a great player, he'd be worth a look in our sh1tty lineup. He can play 3B (albeit he's a butcher) but either way he can play at our positions of need. AZ is set in all his positions and I think he might even be non-tendered, or at least traded at a low value. Worth listening to

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Re: Chad Tracy?

I'd much rather have him than Mike Lowell.

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by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Oct 4, 2007 8:54 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

He might form part of a serviceable 1B platoon, but I wouldn't give up much for him.

Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight or more times, shame on me.

by Bhaakon on Oct 4, 2007 8:55 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

If he ever gets completely healthy again, he can be a great player. I would go after Mark Reynolds, though, if they'll take Lowry for him.

by cheno on Oct 4, 2007 8:59 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

I think Lowry is overpaying, by a ton. And I'm no big fan of Lowry.

by xanthan on Oct 4, 2007 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

You know, Tracy's not a bad idea, depending on how cheap he is. His lifetime EQA is .272.

by Dan from NM on Oct 4, 2007 9:04 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

how desperate are we? another injured guy?

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 4, 2007 9:05 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

He's better than what we've got....injured or not. If the price is not too high, why not?

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Oct 4, 2007 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

I would pass. Unless he became a part of a 1B platoon against RHP. He's also got some injury concerns. His 2005 was good but he hasn't done anything since then. Could he have peaked in 2005?

EqA's for Tracy

2004 - .254
2005 - .298
2006 - .264
2007 - .267

Calling him a butcher at 3B is an understatement. In 2006 he had a FRAA of -19.

by xanthan on Oct 4, 2007 9:10 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

i still have no faith in any defensive metric but i kind of agree with you. He's below average, but an option nonetheless. He isn't worth much more than a couple low ball middling prospects.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 4, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Middling prospects won't get the Giants Chad Tracy, because the Dbacks would be sending him within the division. It will cost the Giants more than it would cost other teams. That being said, I don't know why you guys don't like Chad Tracy. He's only 27 and hit .308 with 27 homers just two years ago. Yeah, he stinks defensively, but this team needs a bat more than it needs a glove. If he's healthy it would be a really good move. Sometimes I throw all the stats out the window and just judge how I feel when I see the guy playing against the Giants. With the game on the line when the Giants were playing the Dbacks, I just hated to see him coming up to bat.

Randy Messenger: "Remember when my ERA was under 2.00??"

by rxmeister on Oct 5, 2007 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Because he is a very blah option. he's just about league average for everything except defense. 2005 was his only good year, outside of the one year he repeated triple A.

he's chad tracy. just read the name and feel as you drift slowly off to sleep. He has two first names, one of which is the biggest 'bro name ever and the other is a girl's name.

also, he plays for the diamondbacks so eff him. and eric byrnes.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 6, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions

FRAA?

Why not just use Range Factor?

Both BIS and STATS have him at about average.

by rfloh on Oct 5, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: FRAA?

range factor is not the best for 3b if i remember correctly.

Actually, i just don't trust any defensive metric. It's hard.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 6, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: FRAA?

Defensive metrics are still growing but you can get a pretty good feel on how well a player plays defense by comparing all the different stats, scouting reports, and watching them play.

by xanthan on Oct 6, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: FRAA?

despite all my best inclinations, watching copious amounts of film of the player's defensive play is still the best way in my opinion.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 6, 2007 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions

No bueno

It's that kind of thinking that brought us Steve f'ing Finley.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Oct 5, 2007 6:09 AM PDT reply actions

Re: No bueno

That is dead wrong. Steve Finley was 40 years old, Chad Tracy is 27. And in case you've forgotten, Steve Finley was acquired in a trade for Edgardo Alfonzo, and as bad as Finley was for the Giants that year, Edgardo was released by the Angels and then the Blue Jays. In that context, Finley was a good trade.

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by rxmeister on Oct 5, 2007 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: No bueno

I wasn't commenting so much on the trade as I was on the "Well he plays well against us, so we should sign him theory."

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Oct 5, 2007 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions

If we signed a whole team that way

It would look like this (off the top of my head):

C: Paul LoDuca
1B: Dan Johnson (?)
2B: Jeff Kent
3B: Chad Tracy
SS: Khalil Green
RF: Terrmel Sledge
CF: Steve Finley
LF: Scott Hairston

P: Woody Williams

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by howtheyscored on Oct 5, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: If we signed a whole team that way

And as utility infielder, Kevin Elster.

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by EliminateMe on Oct 5, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: If we signed a whole team that way

that would be a very very very very interesting team to watch actually. except for woody williams and terrmel sledge.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 6, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: If we signed a whole team that way

let's swap Victorino for Sledge.

by kennv on Oct 8, 2007 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: If we signed a whole team that way

ew, no f$ck that guy.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 9, 2007 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: No bueno

unfortunately it wasn't just Sabean who felt that way, previous Giant GM's did this as well. Remember Mark Portugal??

Randy Messenger: "Remember when my ERA was under 2.00??"

by rxmeister on Oct 5, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: No bueno

Honestly, no...I've only been following them since 2002-ish.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Oct 5, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Mike Lowell in '08 = Ray Durham in '07. Oft injured old guy has career year in contract year (in major hitter's park nonetheless) then plays 80 games and hits .220. Get me anybody who will keep us from paying Mike Lowell $12M/year!

by joebirdie3 on Oct 5, 2007 7:06 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

I read somewhere that the owner of the Red Sox loves Lowell and would like to re-sign him. I would hope that this is true, but I'm not even concerned about it, because I believe the Giants would have zero interest in him. Even if Sabean believes Lowell is better than Pedro Feliz, the amount of money and years that Lowell is asking for will make Pedro look like a bargain.

Randy Messenger: "Remember when my ERA was under 2.00??"

by rxmeister on Oct 5, 2007 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

>Even if Sabean believes Lowell is better than Pedro Feliz

Lowell IS better than Feliz, by a wide margin. Career batting: .280 / .344 / .468. And he's just as good with the glove.

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by leftymalo on Oct 5, 2007 7:57 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

But Lowell is going to be 34 and is asking for a 3-year deal worth twice as much annually that Feliz is asking for.

But if you're talking in terms of overall career, yeah, Lowell's far better.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by JT Jordan on Oct 5, 2007 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Mike Lowell has an incredible knack of doing his best in the last year of his contract. Wonder why that is?? He IS better than Feliz, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pedro winds up with the superior numbers next year, when Mike is in the beginning of some 3 yr 27 million dollar deal.

Randy Messenger: "Remember when my ERA was under 2.00??"

by rxmeister on Oct 5, 2007 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Just as good?

Lowell is good, but Feliz is probably the best in MLB right now, by pretty much every metric that you may want to use.

by rfloh on Oct 5, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions

I mean defensively

by rfloh on Oct 5, 2007 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: I mean defensively

LOL! I don't think there's a person alive who thought you meant "offensively".

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by Goofus on Oct 5, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

To subvert the old joke:

Ladies and gentlemen, Chad Tracy is not the answer.

Chad Tracy is the question; "no" is the answer.

<cue rim shot>

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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Oct 5, 2007 9:04 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

<rim shot>

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by howtheyscored on Oct 5, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions

Alberto Callaspo

If we were going to take a diamondbacks 3rd baseman, how about Alberto Callaspo? His BA has been good at AAA for a few seasons, plus he has next to no service time so we could hold on to him for a good 6 years.

by Scottsdale on Oct 5, 2007 10:07 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Alberto Callaspo

How about as a SS/2B instead of 3B? He lacks the power to play a corner position. Not like that's stopped Sabean before, though . . .

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by JT Jordan on Oct 5, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Alberto Callaspo

But, he'd probably be the best wife beater on the squad!

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Oct 5, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Alberto Callaspo

Good point . . .let's get Elijah Dukes to complement him in the lineup!!1!!!1!

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by JT Jordan on Oct 5, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Alberto Callaspo

Brett Myers wants on that team...

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 5, 2007 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Alberto Callaspo

Julio Lugo at short.

My World Series prediction: Pain (Boston over Philly in 6). Rajai is still fast.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 5, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Alberto Callaspo

and Bobby Cox from Atlanta to manage them!! This team might be pretty good because the jury is still out on Sun Bonds' comments that Barry used to beat her too.

Randy Messenger: "Remember when my ERA was under 2.00??"

by rxmeister on Oct 5, 2007 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Chad Tracy is a better hitter than Feliz is, but Feliz's glove is worlds better than Tracy's.

I hear that the defense needs to be better, and I tend to roll my eyes. When you're talking 10 runs of difference between one fielder and another, it isn't that big a deal, especially when the better fielder is far worse with the bat.

In this case, though? Feliz has a good 3 wins on Tracy with the glove. 3 wins just on defense! Crazy. Tracy would have to hit really, really well to overcome that advantage, and he wouldn't be in Arizona anymore.

Mike Lowell? Much better than Feliz.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 5, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Couldn't Tracy play 1B?

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by Goofus on Oct 5, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Sure, he's played 1B in the past but I think myself, and most others, are concerned with his health. He just had that microfracture surgery a couple of weeks ago.

It sounds like they aren't really sure when he's coming back.

Arizona general manager Josh Byrnes said doctors performed a lateral release on the knee as well as microfracture procedure. A lateral release involves cutting tight structures to the outside of the kneecap that are causing the kneecap to tilt abnormally. Microfracture surgery is used to restore knee cartilage by creating tiny fractures in the adjacent bones, which causes new cartilage to develop.

Estimates on how long it could take Tracy to return are anywhere from four to eight months, according to manager Bob Melvin.

From - http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070921&content_id=2222311&vkey=ne ws_ari&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari

I'd take a look if he came cheap. He could platoon at 1B against RHP. But, I think his asking price might be more than he's worth.

by xanthan on Oct 5, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

how about nick johnson?

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 6, 2007 2:16 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

His leg is fucked up. It's not at all certain he'll be able to play at all in 2008.

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by jponry on Oct 6, 2007 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

Which means he'd probably be better than a healthy Klesko ^_^

by xanthan on Oct 6, 2007 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Chad Tracy?

IMO the Giants should spend as little as possible on players over 30. By the time the Giants are good again, most of the over-30 group will be near the end of the line.

by sharksrog on Oct 9, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions

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