Some interesting defensive data...
MGL has posted the top three and bottom three at each position in terms of UZR... a few Giants showed up on both lists.
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/best_and_worst_of_2007_uzr/
The Good:
Vizquel - +16 (3rd best shortstop)
Feliz - +28 (best third baseman)
Winn - +7 (third best NL RF)
The Bad:
Bonds - -23 (3rd worst NL LF)
Roberts - -26 (worst CF in the majors!)
http://jinaz-reds.blogspot.com/2007/10/2007-fielding-data.html
A dude named JinAZ has also posted some defensive ratings, based on THT's RZR. Notable Giants numbers:
Klesko - -4
Ortmeier - +5.1
Durham - -12.1 (owch)
Frandsen - -0.1 (as a 2b)
Feliz - +28.6 (damn, he's good)
Vizquel - +12.9
Bonds - -2.3 (not so bad here)
Roberts - -5.2 (as a CF)
Davis - -1.9 (as a CF)
Winn - +7.0 (as a RF)
Schierholtz - +4.5
Any thoughts? It looks pretty clear that Dave Roberts needs to not start in CF next year... (with his offense... that signing's looking pretty bad to me right now.)
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Re: Some interesting defensive data...
by southcitysteve on Oct 3, 2007 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I didn't think Roberts would be that bad in CF, yikes. In 2006 he played mostly LF for the Padres and had a very nice rating, definitely way into the positive side of things, but its unfortunate to have to play him there because his bat is so weak for a LF.
by xanthan on Oct 3, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Some interesting defensive data...
wow.
by Anticon23 on Oct 3, 2007 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Anticon23 on Oct 3, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sup3rk1ng on Oct 3, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by KCE on Oct 3, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Oct 3, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by delorean on Oct 3, 2007 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Oct 3, 2007 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The THT RZR data which is
by rfloh on Oct 3, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Some interesting defensive data...
Really?
by groug on Oct 3, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by KCE on Oct 3, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I just included them to be complete.
by jponry on Oct 3, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Oh well.
by groug on Oct 3, 2007 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by leftymalo on Oct 3, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If they could move Roberts, I'd like these lineups:
Vs. LHP:
Winn - LF
Davis - CF
Schierholtz - RF
Vs. RHP
Lewis - LF
Winn - CF
Schierholtz - RF
by Goofus on Oct 3, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I'm hoping Freddie can play well enough defensively in center to play there though. Randy is really a left fielder. He plays the corners better than center, and his arm is far less exposed in left than right.
I could see Dan Ortmeier platooning with Nate in right. Dan hit righties better than lefties with the Giants this year, but over his minor league career I believe he hit lefties better.
If the Giants could somehow get a REAL bat in left field, I could be reasonably satisfied with platoons of Davis and Lewis in center and Schierholtz and Ortmeier in right. That would presumedly mean that the Giants had traded Dave Roberts and Winn. Randy has probably grown into his salary and if his limited no-trade could be worked around, might bring a bit in return. Dave hasn't yet grown into his salary and likely would need the Giants to pick some of it up in order to be dealt.
Regarding Ortmeier, the Giants appeared to be grooming him for first base. But I doubt he'll hit well enough to be an everyday corner outfielder, let alone an everyday first baseman.
by sharksrog on Oct 9, 2007 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Oct 3, 2007 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The metrics use different sources
UZR uses data from Stats Inc.
THT's RZR and Dewan's +/- use data from BIS.
by rfloh on Oct 3, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 4, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Oct 4, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Dial uses ZR data from
by rfloh on Oct 4, 2007 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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