Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria
From Rotoworld:
Tigers acquired shortstop Edgar Renteria from the Braves for RHP Jair Jurrjens and outfielder Gorkys Hernandez.
That was remarkably quick. That Renteria is being dealt is no surprise, and it figured that the Tigers would be high on the list of suitors. However, we don't see wht the Braves felt they had to make the move today when better offers could have come later. This simply isn't a great return for a player who was one of the best in the NL last season. Renteria hit .332/.390/.470 in 2007, and he's under control for a very reasonable $20 million over two years (the second year is at Detroit's option). The Tigers did quite well to get him now. It'll certainly head off any Alex Rodriguez speculation.
Wow, that was quick! I wonder if Sabean was in on this?
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Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria
by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Oct 29, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Good trade for the Tigers though.
by scotterduder on Oct 29, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M /2
So, it's either $12M / 1, or $20M /2.
by rfloh on Oct 29, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M
by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Oct 29, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mark carry on on Oct 29, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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not quite 850+, pretty close though!
by Mark carry on on Oct 29, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria's OPS in 2006
So in the last 3 years, a 31 year old player has had 1 season with an 860 OPS, thus you project that he will have an 860 OPS in the following season because of that.
Also, Renteria's batting avg on balls in play, year by year from 2005: 315, 324, 375. Aside from the BABIP, his other balls in play data are essentially the same.
Renteria's on contact numbers,
in 2005: 329 BA, 459 SLG. His HR / F was unnaturally low in 2005, thus the low on contact SLG.
In 2006: 344 BA, 512 SLG.
In 2007: 393 BA, 556 SLG.
How much do you want to bet that Renteria does not top an 850 OPS next season?
by rfloh on Oct 30, 2007 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M
by xanthan on Oct 30, 2007 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Now, that's still a valuable player but when you take into account his very poor range at SS, would trading one of our pitching prospects, one of our hitting prospects (of which we have none on the same level as Gorkys Hernandez), plus paying him $20 million over the next two years be worth it for a team like the Giants, that is probably more than just one player away from putting it all together? I would be inclined to say no.
The Tigers have a very good team and lineup to insert Renteria into. The Giants do not.
by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M
taking someone's career year and assuming it'll remain like that?
by Mark carry on on Oct 29, 2007 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M
Win what? The division? The wild card? If this is what you mean, you must be pretty sure that we're going to sign A-Rod too. And find a power-hitting 1b. And fix the pen.
Maybe Renteria adds five wins. So, even if you're optimistic, you might break .500?
by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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And then the bigger problem: Aside from Angel Villalona, the Giants likely don't have two minor-league prospects to trade that are as good as the two the Tigers gave up. The two guys the Braves got are only 20 and 21 -- and were the Tigers' #3 and #7 prospects last winter, as rated by Baseball America.
by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, if you ignore defense
by rfloh on Oct 30, 2007 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: This is true, if you ignore defense
by giantsrainman on Oct 30, 2007 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria
At least that would keep us from spending any more money, and would guarantee Frandsen an entire season of ABs. Who knows, Sugarman might even decide to start hitting a little bit again.
by rotorueter on Oct 29, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kukoo Rainman!
Son of a submariner! I can't find the picture with Barry in front of an American flag!
by kwyjibo on Oct 29, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria
First, the cost.
Second, the prospects lost from a cupboard that is already rather thin on prospects.
What makes you think the Giants had prospects as good as Jurrjens and Hernandez to offer? Jurrjens pitched well in AA and even pitched a while in the majors at age 21, while Hernandez is considered to have a lot of upside and was the Midwest League MVP at the age of 20.
by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Oct 29, 2007 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Oct 29, 2007 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Oct 29, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Oct 29, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're Howie!...
by Lyle on Oct 30, 2007 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria
Yunel Escobar is an interesting player, and obviously much cheaper, but he is definitely not the defensive player Renteria is. Those other players are interesting, but there are projection and/or injury concerns with both of them.
I don't question the Braves moving of Renteria, I just think they should have gotten more for him.
by rotorueter on Oct 29, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria is a BETTER defensively
Note, we're talking about the present and the future here, not when Renteria was 26, 27 and in his prime.
One thing you're forgetting: $9M.
With Renteria off the payroll, the Braves have $9M to spend, on say, an innings eater, like Tom Glavine.
by rfloh on Oct 30, 2007 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rotorueter on Oct 29, 2007 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria
They took advantage of a good season from a veteran player to rid themselves of $20 million of salary over the next two seasons at a position where they have a very inexpensive replacement.
In return, they got two guys who might go on to become reasonably important players for them in the decade of the 2010's.
To me, you seem to be guilty of Brian Sabean thinking here. :)
by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The Braves have been a very good club for a long, long time by acquiring good talent, some of it young.
by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep!
by Lyle on Oct 30, 2007 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Yep!
The Giants are kiiiiiiiind of the opposite.
by JRPhillips on Oct 30, 2007 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Yep!
I actually like this deal alot from both sides, which doesn't suprise me coming from a Schuerholz/Dombroski deal.
by Roger on Oct 30, 2007 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Oct 29, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Why the hell did the Tigers do this? I know Guillen's a liability at short, but there's nowhere else to put him unless you trade someone else. Someone else meaning Sean Casey, I assume.
Still. Weird move.
by multiphasic on Oct 29, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Casey is an FA
by rfloh on Oct 29, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Sean Casey is an FA
by multiphasic on Oct 30, 2007 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Scottsdale on Oct 29, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by southcitysteve on Oct 29, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by scotterduder on Oct 29, 2007 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Anticon23 on Oct 29, 2007 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Anticon23 on Oct 29, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Oct 29, 2007 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I wouldn't trade Lowry straight up for him, I would probably hope that the Red Sox would include a lesser prospect in addition to Lowrie, but he would be a great target for the Giants to look at to fill the gaping hole at shortstop.
by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done
by wilriv21 on Oct 29, 2007 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well . . .
Given how many people here think 1B defense isn't really important, then Carter's your man. Masher with not much of a glove.
by Anticon23 on Oct 30, 2007 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Noah Lowry, on the other hand, is waiting to turn into a pumpkin at any minute.
by xanthan on Oct 29, 2007 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 29, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Oct 30, 2007 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You made the assumption . . .
Little power from Lowrie? A switch hitting SS who had 68 XBH (46%) last year, and 47 doubles? He's a gap to gap hitter that can hit a HR here and there. Never mind the power, he plays fine defense, and he's a moneyball type of player (77 BB, .393 OBP). He'll be 24 by the beginning of next season.
Once again, not Lowry for Lowrie, but Jesus, I want Lowrie someway, somehow.
by Anticon23 on Oct 30, 2007 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You made the assumption . . .
This is what is referred to commonly as a "joke." You see, it's funny because LOWRY and LOWRIE are spelled similarly and I can only assume pronounced similarly too. See? Funny?
I hate flailing at jokes... Either it was just a bad joke, or there are some robots on this site that just don't get this "humor" thing.
I'm betting it was a bad joke, though.
by JRPhillips on Oct 30, 2007 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You made the assumption . . .
The "ie" at the end should have made that clear. "ie" isn't "y." Duh.
by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2007 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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