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Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

by sfgreg on Oct 29, 2007 1:44 PM PDT Comment 80 comments

From Rotoworld:

Tigers acquired shortstop Edgar Renteria from the Braves for RHP Jair Jurrjens and outfielder Gorkys Hernandez.
That was remarkably quick. That Renteria is being dealt is no surprise, and it figured that the Tigers would be high on the list of suitors. However, we don't see wht the Braves felt they had to make the move today when better offers could have come later. This simply isn't a great return for a player who was one of the best in the NL last season. Renteria hit .332/.390/.470 in 2007, and he's under control for a very reasonable $20 million over two years (the second year is at Detroit's option). The Tigers did quite well to get him now. It'll certainly head off any Alex Rodriguez speculation.

Wow, that was quick! I wonder if Sabean was in on this?

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Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Phew! I was a little worried that Sabes might look to acquire Renteria. Not that he isn't a good ballplayer, but it's not what we need right now. I expect the Giants will re-sign Vizquel.

by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Giving away simular minor league talent for Renteria would have be ten times as wise as re-signing the worst offensive shortstop in baseball would be. I just don't get this love afair with Omar. Vizquel is a waste of a starting postion spot that has no hope of being part of the next good Giants team.

by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I'm not sure we have similar minor league talent. Hernandez is very high upside and Jurijens could probably step into the Braves rotation next year quite well. We can't trade any of the people from last year's draft by rule, and I don't believe we'd be allowed to trade Villalona yet either, even if they wanted to.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Oct 29, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I'm afraid your math does not add up. It doesn't take any particular love for Vizquel to recognize that it would be better to give him half the money Renteria will make for the next two years of work (and I don't think the 2nd year will need to be guaranteed), and at the same time keep 2 of the top 5 prospects in one's minor-league system (that's what the Tigers just gave up). Especially if you have a team that is unlikely to compete during that period of time.

by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

As a placeholder until the Giants figure out what they're doing at shortstop, can't do much better than Omar. Although if the placeholder agreement goes longer than a year then we might have a problem...

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

On the other hand, there's an alarming lack of math being cannonballed from all sides here.

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by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I'm not really sure if Renteria has a shot at being on the next good Giants team either. He's 32 and missed some time last year with injuries, so I don't think he's the type of player the Giants need. Plus he's $10 million a year for 2 years. Are the Giants going to contend in the next 2 years? Probably not, so it's not worth giving up 2 top 5 prospects for him.

Good trade for the Tigers though.

Adopted Giant: Travis Denker. Good?

by scotterduder on Oct 29, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M /2

It's $9M for 2008. For 2009, he gets $3M if they don't bring him back, $11M if they do.

So, it's either $12M / 1, or $20M /2.

by rfloh on Oct 29, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

Right. Maybe I wasn't explicit, but i figured that, at the very worst, you sign Omar for half of those values: $6m (1year), $10m (2years). What doesn't compute?

by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

No way Omar gets that much. I think he's only at $3-4M/yr on the contract that just expired, and the Giants aren't going to give him more than that for next year.

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by groug on Oct 29, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

Agreed. I was saying "half" only because it could serve as a worst-case scenario. That said, I wouldn't be totally floored if they gave him what Feliz got last year: $5m for a year's work.

by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

The difference is Renteria's 850+ OPS is worth the $10M and helps the Giants win. Frankly it doesn't matter if Vizquel signs for just the veteran minimum of $500K becuase his sub .700 OPS does not help the Giants win.

by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

hmmm...that's weird, I just looked at his career OPS and it's quite a bit less than that.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Oct 29, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

career OPS .757...

not quite 850+, pretty close though!

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Oct 29, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

I was not talking about career OPS but rather talking about likely OPS for remaining two years on his contract.

by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

Probably should have stated that. Maybe by saying, "it's likely his OPS over the next two years will be..."

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

Why would you think the past when we are talking about the future?

by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

My bad, I guess everyone should have assumed you have a crystal ball you can use to mystically divine the results Renteria will produce, which is apparently based on nothing. Sorry about that.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

I may have a better question for you than your "why do you think the past when we are talking about the future?" That question would be, why do you ignore the past when predicting the future?

by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

I don't. Like PECOTA, ZIPS, CRONE, etc I weigh last year more then the year before and way more the 5+ years ago when he had most of his lower OPS seasons.

by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Renteria's OPS in 2006

797. OPS in 2005 720.

So in the last 3 years, a 31 year old player has had 1 season with an 860 OPS, thus you project that he will have an 860 OPS in the following season because of that.

Also, Renteria's batting avg on balls in play, year by year from 2005: 315, 324, 375. Aside from the BABIP, his other balls in play data are essentially the same.

Renteria's on contact numbers,
in 2005: 329 BA, 459 SLG. His HR / F was unnaturally low in 2005, thus the low on contact SLG.

In 2006: 344 BA, 512 SLG.

In 2007: 393 BA, 556 SLG.

How much do you want to bet that Renteria does not top an 850 OPS next season?

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2007 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

I think thats a common mistake with GMs too, they place way too much value on the last season a player had and not necessarily his entire body of work, or how he's progressed over the last few years.

by xanthan on Oct 30, 2007 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

Renteria's had an OPS over .850 twice in his career, last year and 2003. He is getting older. 'twould be folly, I think, to expect him to put up an .850+ OPS again next year. If you pick up Edgar Renteria, I think you have to do it with the expectation that he'll perform more to his career norms (let's say something between .750 and .800 OPS).

Now, that's still a valuable player but when you take into account his very poor range at SS, would trading one of our pitching prospects, one of our hitting prospects (of which we have none on the same level as Gorkys Hernandez), plus paying him $20 million over the next two years be worth it for a team like the Giants, that is probably more than just one player away from putting it all together? I would be inclined to say no.

The Tigers have a very good team and lineup to insert Renteria into. The Giants do not.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

are you really Sabes?

taking someone's career year and assuming it'll remain like that?

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Oct 29, 2007 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

"Renteria's 850+ OPS is worth the $10M and helps the Giants win".

Win what? The division? The wild card? If this is what you mean, you must be pretty sure that we're going to sign A-Rod too. And find a power-hitting 1b. And fix the pen.
Maybe Renteria adds five wins. So, even if you're optimistic, you might break .500?

by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

Frankly what else needs to be done is besides the point. Renteria would be worth his salary and make a positive contribution while even if Vizquel had a low enough salary to be worth it he would not make a positive contribution.

by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Renteria is not necessarily going to cost $20M

Add Edgar Renteria to the Giants, and you've still got a pretty darn bad ballclub. Deduct the two good prospects to equal what the Tigers had to give up to get Edgar, and you've got even less in the cupboard, which is filling up at the bottom but is almost empty at the top.

And then the bigger problem: Aside from Angel Villalona, the Giants likely don't have two minor-league prospects to trade that are as good as the two the Tigers gave up. The two guys the Braves got are only 20 and 21 -- and were the Tigers' #3 and #7 prospects last winter, as rated by Baseball America.

by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is true, if you ignore defense

Vizquel was about 30 runs below average offensively, without taking into account he plays SS. He was about 20 runs above average defensively. In total about 10 runs below average, without positional adjustment. Without adjusting for position, that is worth about $4M a year.

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2007 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: This is true, if you ignore defense

No thanks, we can get the same production from Frandsen for less then 500K. We need to spend oour money on above average players not below average.

by giantsrainman on Oct 30, 2007 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Again, defense doesn't matter, I suppose?

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2007 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I agree. I'd rather put Frandsen at SS, and just keep Durham at 2B.

At least that would keep us from spending any more money, and would guarantee Frandsen an entire season of ABs. Who knows, Sugarman might even decide to start hitting a little bit again.

Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Oct 29, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I like Kevin Frandsen as much as the next guy, but he's no shortstop. In the end, I'm willing to let McGowan blow a little cash (nice of me, don't you think?) if it means that I don't have to watch KF bungle the best position there is to watch as a spectator.

by BigO on Oct 29, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kukoo Rainman!

Son of a submariner! I can't find the picture with Barry in front of an American flag!

by kwyjibo on Oct 29, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Giving up minor-league talent for Edgar Renteria WOULDN'T likely be as wise as re-signing Omar Vizquel, for two reasons.

First, the cost.

Second, the prospects lost from a cupboard that is already rather thin on prospects.

What makes you think the Giants had prospects as good as Jurrjens and Hernandez to offer? Jurrjens pitched well in AA and even pitched a while in the majors at age 21, while Hernandez is considered to have a lot of upside and was the Midwest League MVP at the age of 20.

by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Renteria has just one year left on his contract and then there's a team option for 11 million, which is way more than he's worth. If you consider next year a rebuilding year, acquiring Renteria for one year makes no sense.

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Oct 29, 2007 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Wow, that seems like a pretty great deal for Atlanta. Sure beats Jon Garland.

by Evan on Oct 29, 2007 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Really? I see a pitcher who doesn't seem any better than any number of Giants farm hands, and an admittedly very young speedster with potential. Is that worth an offensive star in today's market? I didn't think so. Maybe.

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by hairball on Oct 29, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

If you don't see that the two players the Braves got were better than almost any prospect the Giants have who isn't either in the majors, isn't Angel Villalona or wasn't just drafted in 2007 and therefore isn't yet tradable, you're looking at things quite differently than I -- or the Atlanta Braves, for that matter.

by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Hey, that's what I said (above). Who's the real Roger here anyway?

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Oct 29, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I am Roger!

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, you're Howie!...

Roger is Roger. And so is SharksRog. And possibly some others.

The SF Giants: agressively promoting young talent since 2008.

by Lyle on Oct 30, 2007 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I don't see the Braves getting much more than a gold-glove shortstop with a decent bat for $10 a year. Renteria is definitely worth that much.

Yunel Escobar is an interesting player, and obviously much cheaper, but he is definitely not the defensive player Renteria is. Those other players are interesting, but there are projection and/or injury concerns with both of them.

I don't question the Braves moving of Renteria, I just think they should have gotten more for him.

Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Oct 29, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Renteria is a BETTER defensively

than Escobar?

Note, we're talking about the present and the future here, not when Renteria was 26, 27 and in his prime.

One thing you're forgetting: $9M.

With Renteria off the payroll, the Braves have $9M to spend, on say, an innings eater, like Tom Glavine.

by rfloh on Oct 30, 2007 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

There goes your potential job as a scout, Hairball! :)

by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Nice trade for the Tigers: they got a very good shortstop and gave up no sure-thing players.

Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Oct 29, 2007 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

To be honest, I like the trade better from the Braves' standpoint.

They took advantage of a good season from a veteran player to rid themselves of $20 million of salary over the next two seasons at a position where they have a very inexpensive replacement.

In return, they got two guys who might go on to become reasonably important players for them in the decade of the 2010's.

To me, you seem to be guilty of Brian Sabean thinking here. :)

by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Definitely good for the Braves, but not too shabby for the Tigers either. Renteria as a complementary piece of the puzzle? It's a better fit than it would be for the Giants, where we've got holes to fill and his short term deal at too much money doesn't do very much for us. If the Tigres don't have a SS waiting around in the minors, then good for them!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

The Tigers are a contending team which needed to move its hard-hitting shortstop to first base. Acquiring Renteria allows them to do so.

The Braves have been a very good club for a long, long time by acquiring good talent, some of it young.

by sharksrog on Oct 29, 2007 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep!

This may be an okay deal for the Tigers, but I'm glad it wasn't us. It smacks of rampant Sabeanism. I think the Braves got the best of this deal. They had a replacement ready in Escobar, who actually got to play some last year and got some experience, so they got rid of the older, more-expensive guy to make room for him. Kind of a Pierzynski-style deal. Those are the deals we need to eventually be in the position to make...from the Pierzynski side, though, next time.

The SF Giants: agressively promoting young talent since 2008.

by Lyle on Oct 30, 2007 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Yep!

My thinking exactly, Lyle! This is a far better move for a team already in contention than it would have been for a team such as the Giants who are trying to pick up the pieces (uh-huh!). The Tigers have a legitimate minor league system, AND a team that should be playing for a spot in the playoffs next year.

The Giants are kiiiiiiiind of the opposite.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 30, 2007 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Yep!

I think the difference is with the Tigers these guys actually are surplus. Gorkys Hernandez probably has a very bright future, but in an organization that has Granderson and Maybin, he can be converted into a different position of need. While Detroit has moved a lot of prospects to get Renteria and Sheffield the last two offseasons, they've also aggressively promoted the best of their prospects to the major league level. in other words, they have enough talent to use the system to better the major league club through both trades and promotions, which is I think the ideal.

I actually like this deal alot from both sides, which doesn't suprise me coming from a Schuerholz/Dombroski deal.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Oct 30, 2007 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

It's not 20 million worth of salary. He has only one year left for 9 million on his deal, and then there is a team option for 11 million. If they decline the option, he gets a 3 million dollar payoff, but that payoff is made by the team that gave him the original deal, the Red Sox.

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Oct 29, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

If the Giants were to have gotten Renteria they could have exercised his 2009 option and thus gotten him for 2 years and $20M and you are dead wrong that Renteria is not worth such a contract.

by giantsrainman on Oct 29, 2007 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Um.

Why the hell did the Tigers do this? I know Guillen's a liability at short, but there's nowhere else to put him unless you trade someone else. Someone else meaning Sean Casey, I assume.

Still. Weird move.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Oct 29, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

They've been planning on moving Guillen for awhile. He's too fragile to play SS every day at this point.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

*to first base

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sean Casey is an FA

Furthermore, they have made it clear that they're not bringing him back.

by rfloh on Oct 29, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Sean Casey is an FA

Oh. I thought Casey was signed multi-year. Derfness.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Oct 30, 2007 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Guillen is moving to first.

by xanthan on Oct 29, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

FIRST!!!!

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

dammit...

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by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Well, I guess that scratches at least one of Grant's hypothetical Noah Lowry trade threads.

by Scottsdale on Oct 29, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

And I was so hoping for either Yunel Escobar or Brent Lillibridge. Now I have to find a new white whale.

Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Oct 29, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Is the middle infield for the Braves going to be Escobar/Kelly Johnson or Escobar/Lillibridge? Because if Johnson is starting and does well, maybe there's a change the Giants could still get Lillibridge. Don't give up!

Adopted Giant: Travis Denker. Good?

by scotterduder on Oct 29, 2007 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

My new white whale is Jed Lowrie of the Red Sox.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Oct 29, 2007 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Think we can trade Lowry for Lowrie?

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 29, 2007 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I think it's a sign of things to come.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Oct 29, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

why would you trade a pitcher who has proven he can win at the major league level for some kid with little power, hitting .176 in the Arizona Fall League?? I'm not saying Lowrie isn't promising, but you can get alot more for Noah Lowry, who missed the last month but still won 13 games for a last place team.

BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Oct 29, 2007 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shiny

14 wins, baby!!!!

by wilriv21 on Oct 29, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I would say you are selling Lowrie significantly short by focusing on his poor AFL performance. He hit .297/.410/.501 in AA this year and .300/.356/.506 in AAA. He is perhaps not a power hitter, but he certainly would appear to have more than satisfactory power for a shortstop.

I wouldn't trade Lowry straight up for him, I would probably hope that the Red Sox would include a lesser prospect in addition to Lowrie, but he would be a great target for the Giants to look at to fill the gaping hole at shortstop.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I would trade Lowry for Lowrie straight up.

by xanthan on Oct 29, 2007 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Done

We now have our SS for 2008. Now go find us a 1b and 3b, Grasshopper.

by wilriv21 on Oct 29, 2007 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well . . .

Hypothetically speaking, if we were to send Lowry to BOS for Jed Lowrie, we might be able to pry 1B Chris Carter from them as well.

Given how many people here think 1B defense isn't really important, then Carter's your man. Masher with not much of a glove.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Oct 30, 2007 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I'd probably just ask for like a C-grade pitching prospect in addition. That said, I wouldn't kill the deal over it...

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Oct 29, 2007 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

I really like Lowrie as a player. I might be higher on him than others but he really intrigues me.

Noah Lowry, on the other hand, is waiting to turn into a pumpkin at any minute.

by xanthan on Oct 29, 2007 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

And the Red Sox have got to know that. Lowry pitching half his games in Fenway and against AL East teams does not seem like a good match.

Rajai Davis: fast.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 29, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria

Oh, I'm sure they definitely know, and I'm sure they'd much rather move Julio Lugo and give Lowrie a shot before trading Lowrie.

by xanthan on Oct 30, 2007 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You made the assumption . . .

That I said I wanted to trade Noah Lowry for Jed Lowrie. The second comment I made was a joke and not meant to be taken literally. Sorry it wasn't clear enough.

Little power from Lowrie? A switch hitting SS who had 68 XBH (46%) last year, and 47 doubles? He's a gap to gap hitter that can hit a HR here and there. Never mind the power, he plays fine defense, and he's a moneyball type of player (77 BB, .393 OBP). He'll be 24 by the beginning of next season.

Once again, not Lowry for Lowrie, but Jesus, I want Lowrie someway, somehow.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Oct 30, 2007 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: You made the assumption . . .

I too commented "Think we can trade Lowry for Lowrie?"

This is what is referred to commonly as a "joke." You see, it's funny because LOWRY and LOWRIE are spelled similarly and I can only assume pronounced similarly too. See? Funny?

I hate flailing at jokes... Either it was just a bad joke, or there are some robots on this site that just don't get this "humor" thing.

I'm betting it was a bad joke, though.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 30, 2007 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: You made the assumption . . .

They're actually pronounced completely differently. There's Noah Lowry, pronounced lao-ree, and there's this other Lowrie, pronounced men-dle-spotz-o-hool-ihan.

The "ie" at the end should have made that clear. "ie" isn't "y." Duh.

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by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2007 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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