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Rootin'

I was pulling for the Indians almost as hard as I would have pulled for the Giants. I really was. I'll always pull for the Indians until they win a World Series because a) they haven't won a World Series in over a half-century, and b) the last time the Giants won a World Series, it was against the Indians, which somehow makes the Indians' streak of failure even more endearing. At least I'll always have the '94 49ers as proof that my specific rooting interests are not cursed.

Now comes an unpleasant choice. Red Sox or Rockies? The correct answer is "no." Man, I wish that counted for something. I understand the raison d'rêpugnance with the Red Sox. Their ALCS comeback against the Yankees was a fantastic piece of sports history, but the Sox fans have their ring now. After Boston blew open the game last night, Fox cut to a woman dancing a dance of smug. The look on her face was one of entitlement and personal validation; it was the look of someone who expected her team to win. I wanted to reach through the screen and stab her with a spork. These aren't the nail-biting lovable losers of yore.

But I just can't root for the Rockies. It's impossible. I don't care that they built their team in the "right" way. I don't care that Red Sox Nation comprise the most annoying subset of humanity in the modern world. I just care that the Rockies didn't exist the first time I kissed a girl or drove a car. It's a ridiculous philosophical position to base a team's "worthiness" on the length of their existence. But there you go.

The Rockies don't have a playoff history worthy of pity; heck, they barely have a playoff history at all. The city of San Francisco has Felix Rodriguez, Dusty taking the ball from Russ, Eric Young not on the playoff roster, McCovey's line-drive out, Candy Maldonado's dive, and a freaking earthquake instead of a championship. That long and varied history of failure has to count for something. Therefore, the Rockies don't deserve a ring until they suffer an acceptable amount of torment. I'm going to pout like a sullen toddler until the Giants win something, and I certainly won't root for the Rockies. It isn't exactly the moral high ground. It's an immature argument, at best.

I'm pretty comfortable with it, though. Maturity is overrated. Go not-Rockies.

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Re: Rootin'
I can barely stand the idea of that moron Manny wearing the 2007 WS ring, but the alternative is.......just so........I mean, DAMN!!!  Fine then--Go Sox.
"I'd rather be in a prison cell with Mike Tyson, and let him beat my butt all day long, than go through that again." - John Kruk, on the last place '92 season.

by getnby on Oct 22, 2007 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
"It isn't exactly the moral high ground. It's an immature argument, at best."

Close enough for me. I went with the Giants to Denver last September, wore my uni, got more warm and fuzzies from them than from the Giants players who were staying at the same hotel.

Don't misunderstand, next year I will hate them...until then, Go Rox.

desertdave

by desertdave on Oct 22, 2007 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I cannot root for the Red Sox.  So it must be the Rockies.

But-good news for Grant-this means the Rockies will lose.  Because I am not allowed to get what I want.

Steve Kline: How okay is he, really? I would say he is pretty okay.

by groug on Oct 22, 2007 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I'm with you, I just CAN'T root for the Red Sox, and unfortunately, that leaves one other team by default in the coming series.  Fortunately, with Grant rooting for the Sox, and you rooting for the Rockies, at least one group is going to be "happy".

by paboperfecto on Oct 22, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I was rooting for a meteor to strike Angels Stadium during the ALCS, but I didn't get that either. Sour grapes make bad whine. I know.

I'm going for the Rockies now. Not just because of my vehement "anyone but Boston" stance, but because I think if the Indians hadn't shat the bed in consecutive nights and made it to the World Series, I wouldn't be completely disappointed at the outcome of the Series either way. Of course I'd root for the Indians and want them to win. I root for the Indians during the regular season too. The Rockies winning the World Series wouldn't make me upset or angry regardless of AL opponent. And at this time in my life, just calming my sports rage is a top priority.

However, it's just so very blah. Rockies? Jesus? Purple uniforms? Moronic dinosaur mascot? Bleck. At least the ballpark is nice and Yorvit Torrealba is there...and I owe some good times in my life to the city of Denver. You won't confuse me with a real Rockies fan. I'll lend my support for a minimum of four games and a maximum of seven. NL has to reprazent too, you see.

I guess the Rockies winning the World Series would be like the feeling I get when I'm on Prozac. I'm not leaping out of my chair to murder anyone, but I'm not really feeling much else.

Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
ALDS, I meant. The series where the Angels and Red Sox played and I felt like vomiting from all the red uniforms and abhorrent baseball teams I saw.
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I'm not leaping out of my chair to murder anyone, but I'm not really feeling much else.

Funny, that's how I felt during Zito's starts this year.

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Oct 22, 2007 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Oh no I was mad enough to burn things down watching Zito this year. At least from May onward.
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also
fuck David Ortiz and his wearing of the goggles in the dugout before the game was over.  The so-called Baseball Gods really should have done something about that.

by The Balls of Summer on Oct 22, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Words cannot describe how much I hate the Red Sox so this is a no-brainer for me.  Time to dust off the  Dante Bichette jersey.  Go Rockies!  

by Sandor Clegane on Oct 22, 2007 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rocktober Baby!
Don't you come from LA?
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rocktober Baby!
THERE'S ONLY ONE ROCKTOBER!!!
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: Welcome Back!

by sfgreg on Oct 22, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rocktober Baby!
By way of NYC, yes. Represent the NL.

by wilriv21 on Oct 22, 2007 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rocktober Baby!
Got it. That makes sense now.
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go Rox
I base my scientific logic on which of my friends I'd rather see unhappy.

On the one hand, the guy I know rooting for the Rox is a Yankees fan first, which isn't great.

On the other, stupid ex-g/f lives in Boston and is in love with Pedrioa.

Edge: Rockies.

And Boom Goes the Dynamite

by Andy from DC on Oct 22, 2007 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Go Denver!
I will root for the team that does not have that asshole Schilling on it.

by seyheystretch on Oct 22, 2007 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Go Denver!
This was all the argument I needed.
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Go Denver!
Simple, poetic, effective.
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

This.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Oct 22, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you, The Onion
It looks like he ate a bunch of strawberry jam before his game.

This scenario is entirely possible with Schilling.

by xanthan on Oct 22, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you, The Onion
What a complete doucheface.
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you, The Onion
He's the only guy I hope to see in the Mitchell Report, that asshole.

by seyheystretch on Oct 22, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you, The Onion
+Clemens
Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Oct 22, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you, The Onion
Luis Gonzales (suddenly got good after he turned 30)

Steve Finley

Juan Pierre

Shea Hillenbrand

Francisco Rodriguez

Any current young up-and-rising star on other NL West teams (James Loney, Troy Tulowitzki, Chris Young, etc.)

by SnowLeopard on Oct 22, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you, The Onion
If Loney or Chris Young turned out to be using it'd make me so sad. I really like those two despite their unfortunate team affiliations.
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Thank you, The Onion
Yes, sad.  But I am thinking less about long-term "The Majesty of America's Pastime" (tm), and more about short-term competitive advantage.  :)

by SnowLeopard on Oct 22, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
The Sox are full of douchebags. Need proof?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uu43lbTrvOQ

How can you not love the Rockies' story this year? I'm pulling for the Rox.

by lmaozedong on Oct 22, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Go Rockies! Teams with cool modern stadiums should always be preferred to teams with old, overrated, "smell the nostalgia" stadiums. imho.
The SF Giants: agressively promoting young talent since 2008.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Oct 22, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
That's not nostalgia you're smelling.
Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 22, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
It's DOO-DOO! HAhahahaha.
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I didn't think I could laugh at a "Doo-Doo" joke.

I was wrong.

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
My mother says she's pulling for the Red Sox because they have Jacoby Ellsbury, who has family in New Mexico, which is my mother's swiftly adopted new home state.

(Aside: a person lives fourteen years in Idaho, eight years in Missouri, thirty-four years in California, and sixteen months in New Mexico, and the last is her new home state? Okayyyyyy...)

My boyfriend is pulling for the Rockies because the Red Sox' eight seeing-eye ground balls pissed him off almost as much as me. (As they pissed me off, that is. I try not to piss him off too much.) Also, he hates the Red Sox' collective facial hair.

So I'm pulling for Ellsbury, Torrealba, Herges, and Helton. The rest deserve humiliation on national television.

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Marlin program (Todd Linden)

by antinous on Oct 22, 2007 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Easy choice, go Rockies.

And quite frankly, I would have to question the decency of anyone who can root for the Red Sox and Schilling.

by mxmob33 on Oct 22, 2007 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
NO SELF RESPECTING GIANTS FAN CAN ROOT FOR THE ROCKIES!!  You only need ONE reason to root for the Rockies to not win (you don't have to root for the Sox, just against the Rockies)

1993 - 0-13 against the Atlanta Braves.

Giants 103 wins.  Braves 104 wins.

Giants fail to make playoffs with quite possibly their best team ever.

Braves lose to the Phillies.

Giants are 8-4 against the Phillies in regular season... and we outscored them 84-47 in the regular season (ownage!)

Phillies lose to Toronto in WS.

That was ours to win.

FUCK THE ROCKIES!

by Sigualicious on Oct 22, 2007 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

DAMN RIGHT!!! Plus there is this small matter of:
They are a DIVISION rival, people!  We cannot wish well for division rivals.  Hence the term "rival"!
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Oct 22, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rival?
I don't know about that.  Division rival?  Eh...more like "Division Opposing Team That I Generally Dislike Because They Aren't the Giants."
Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Oct 22, 2007 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Maturity is for suckers. I fully expect the impending immature string of World Series "wee-wee" and "doo-doo" posts to be a golden era for McCoveyChronicles.
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
If there's one baseball groundrule the McCoven should know, it's gotta be don't EVER count on the Rockies.  Definition from the blogfather:

Counting on the rockies - Hoping someone or something will perform a task which benefits you, even though this someone or something is very, very, very unlikely to do so.

http://giantsblog.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_giantsblog_archive.html

- brad

by bdugan on Oct 22, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
"My girlfriend was supposed to pick me up from the airport, but she completely Rockied me.  So I had to take a cab."
Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Oct 22, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Not to be confused with when she completely "rocked" you, which was probably a good thing.
***

Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Oct 22, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Yes, let's not confuse the two.  

Rocked: GOOD
Rockied: BAD

Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Oct 22, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Unless you're so rocked up you don't even remember it.

by Goofus on Oct 22, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a more proper usage is this
"My ex-girlfriend said she'd pick me up from the airport but she didn't show.  I guess I was counting on the rockies."
Steve Kline: How okay is he, really? I would say he is pretty okay.

by groug on Oct 22, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I am rooting for the Rockies and here's why (in case anyone cares):
  1. Red Sox nation is saying they are a little worried about the Rockies but you know they really don't believe that an NL West team could take down their mighty un-evil empire.  
  2. The Rockies have an awesome team built the right way.  I know they are an expansion team but what's the point of an expansion team existing in the first place if baseball doesn't give it a chance to win.  Its an expansion team but all those players on that team are just as baseball worthy as a player for the cubs, Yankees etc.  Joe Sheehan at Baseball Prospectus put it well when he said that MLB feeding us a steady diet of Red Sox-Yankees games all season long is why come playoff time no one seems to care about anything else.  The fact of the matter is the Rockies have some bad ass players and if they were allowed to be showcased like players on the Red Sox or Yankees then maybe people would be more pumped about watching this year's WS.  
  3. By default I cheer for the NL with certain exceptions that being the Dodgers or if the A's are in the WS or if I happen to like a certain AL team's story etc...
  4. Clint Hurdle is a baseball manager.  Francona just weirds me out.  
  5. I definitely wanted to see the Indians make the WS but I also knew that in the end I wanted the best team to make it.  It seems like that team is the Red Sox.  It sucks the Giants were so abysmally bad this year but its not like that is a recent discovery.  We didn't get shafted out of the playoffs at the end of the season or are recovering from a bitter NLDS loss.  So really we're in a great position to actually appreciate the awesomeness of playoff baseball.  This has the potential to be a great back and forth 7 game world series so why not enjoy it?
I am trying to keep my brain from settling down into the reality that the Giants suck and instead just concentrate on the fact that I really like baseball.  So sorry for the convoluted reasoning on why I prefer the Rox over the Sox.

by Dutchfury on Oct 22, 2007 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I'm pretty much on board with everything you said here.
***

Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Oct 22, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Go Warriors
Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Oct 22, 2007 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Go Red Sox!
  1.  From my personal background, I have strong affection for the Red Sox. I spent the summer of 1986 in Boston, bartending on the Boston Harbor Cruises (not to be confused with cruising the Boston Harbor bartenders, not that there's anything wrong with that).  A bunch of no-names, led by youngster Roger Clemens, caught fire and became the baseball story of the year, culminating in a great -- though tragically concluded -- WS.
  2.  Y'all got some short-ass memories OR some short-ass senses of gratitude: it is the Red Sox who have ended the Yankees' domination + entitlement + methodology. Where's the Yankee hate?  Where's the gratitude for knocking the Yankees off the megahistorical pedestal?
  3. The Rox are a DIVISION RIVAL. As I said above on this thread, we can't wish well for a division rival, period.  Especially punks who haven't been in the league long enough to know what suffering is.
So on the basis of Yankee hatred and intra-divisional resentment, I implore you Sox-haters to ... to... well, come to think of it, our love of the Giants hasn't produced any positive results, so, I guess... um... carry on.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Oct 22, 2007 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Go Red Sox! And yes, Schilling = douche
I freely admit, of course, that Schilling is an a_shole of the very highest order, the Archangel Gabriel of the asholes, the newly-invented six-star general of all a_sholes.  No question.  And my offer to cooperate with the Baron in beating the shit out of JD Drew (and his little brother, while we're at it) still stands.  But the Giants have had some a-holes too (%cough% jeff kent %cough%) and we nevertheless pulled for the team as a group.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Oct 22, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Go Red Sox!
Yup.  Word up on points 2 and 3.

by SnowLeopard on Oct 22, 2007 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Go Red Sox!
The Sox haven't ended the Yankees' entitlement and methodology, they've emulated them. Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.
SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Oct 22, 2007 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Go Red Sox!
I lost some of my anti-yankee sentiment 3 years ago when Boston came here for the three game series. I went to all three games and everywhere I sat the red sox fans were geeky a-holes who pretended to know the game (granted some knew it very well but most were pretenders). I dont know about other people, but the Yankees fans werent that ridiculous when they were here this year. And especially with the yankees losing I have switched and become very anti-red sox, which is why I will be rooting for the Rox. And plus it gives more respect to the NL West  
It's days like these that make you think of 2002

by that would be a homer on Oct 22, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Go Red Sox!
For me, the "can't wish well for a division rival" principle is outweighed by the "can't wish well for any team that plays in the DH league". There's my irrational bias.

Of course, as previously noted, I have a soft spot for the Rox and was rooting for them in the first two rounds of the playoffs. But even if it was the D-Backs, I'd still be rooting for them to beat the tar out of the Wussican League team.

SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Oct 22, 2007 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Oh yeah, Julian Tavarez even tho he's not on the playoff roster........reason enough to root for the
Rox
desertdave

by desertdave on Oct 22, 2007 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Wouldn't Tavarez be more spited if the Sox won the series and he didn't get a ring?
Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Oct 22, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I've been unabashedly on the Rockies bandwagon ever since reading about them voting a post-season share to Mike Coolbaucg's family.  Good karma.

I need to pick a team to root for in order to care.  I agree with all the other reasons people have listed for rooting for the Rocks, but when I think about the family of a minor-leage pitching coach who barely had a cup of coffee in the bigs benefitting from the Rockies winning, that makes it easy for me.  That's real money for a real widow and her kids. I think it's probably safe to assume they could use that more than any player on either roster.

by Goofus on Oct 22, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
+1 on the Coolbaugh Foundation. Supremely classy move.
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

This
I'm rooting for the widow.  Go Rockies.

by Lipssan1 on Oct 22, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
In the scheme of not rooting for teams, I'm not rooting for the Red Sox more.

In terms of everything else, I'm already working on selective memory techniques that make this a Giants World Series win in my head.

I hope both teams lose, though.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
It's so cool that we'll get to DH Bonds when we play in the AL park!

by Goofus on Oct 22, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I think we've got to pitch Cain and Lincecum in Boston -- I don't like Zito and Lowry at Fenway with that short left field.

by non sequitur on Oct 22, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
this  is a horrible choice ... but the entire concept of "red sox nation" is so repugnant to me (even worse than that dallas cowboys 'america's team' bullshit) that I will just root for the rockies by default.
I adopted Barry Bonds

by BondsApologist on Oct 22, 2007 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoops
The Colorado Rockies suspended World Series ticket sales Monday after overwhelming demand crashed their computer system. moar
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Whoops
See, this kind of crap never would have happened if the Diamondbacks had made it to the Series!
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Whoops
Because Diamondbacks fans don't actually go to games?
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go Rox
  • I usually root for the NL teams.
  • Colorado has ex-Giants Yorvit and Herges and even LaTroy Hawkins.
  • Rockies winning a WS is something I've never seen before, whereas I've seen the Red Sox win one.
  • I can never ever, ever, ever, never ever cheer for a team that has Eric Gagne on it.
  • I hate Curt Schilling, too.
  • The Red Sox are now just a less filthy rich man's Yankees and I can't support that.
  • Fever Pitch II.
  • Red Sox Nation needs to get back to suffering - what it does best. I'm up for another 86 year curse.
  • Lastly, and most importantly, a Rockies win would extend my Giants misery just that much more than it currently is, i.e., it would make me feel worse as a Giants fan and I'm really into wallowing in my Giants misery right now.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2007 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

point man (person?)
NL is cool, you dig?

Yorvit is the main reason I'm pulling for the Rockies but I can't say I'd support Matt Herges in anything he does.

Gotta say I agree with novelty.

It's fun to laugh at Gagne now that he's done.

If you support Curt Schilling the terrorists have already won.

I say this to a lot of people and they refuse to accept it. Hello, inflated payroll. Hello, annoying fanbase. Etc.

The first one was bad enough.

They'd still whine no matter what, but at least laughing at them is funnier when the team sucks.

Man, we're screwed anyway. :)

Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: point man (person?)
This is what pisses me off:  after the Red Sox won in '04, the ENTIRE team was given the Sports Illustrated "Sportsman of the Year" Award.  That is Horsesh*t.  That award goes to an athlete or athletes who display sportsmanship, humanity, charity, and all the other feel-good words.  But SI gives it to an entire team just for doing their job!??!!  

Oh I see, they broke the curse, there was a long streak of championshipless baseball in Boston.  So then, I suppose, one year later when the White Sox end their 88-year streak, THEY would earn the award, right?...right?  WRONG!!!11!

This example typifies what is so rediculous about how sports media outlets do their job.  Bostonians are no better than Chicagoans.  Gimme a damn break.  I wanna barf all over Red Sox Nation's breakfasts.    

Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Oct 22, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
All I'm rooting for is the Rockies' online ticket sales to be actually up and running in time for Saturday's Game 3. Otherwise it's going to be weird watching a team play before 20,000 empty seats. STUPID COMPUTERS!
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Oct 22, 2007 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Michael Scott was right! Technology does no good to humans!
Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
OMG, I was cracking up last week when he opened up Powerpoint and got the the first-time set up prompt during the presentation.

by Goofus on Oct 22, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Four reasons why I'm RED SOX all the way:
  1. Bill James works for them.  Yeah, they have the second biggest payroll in the game, but they are Moneyball smart about it.
  2. George Stienbrenner is the vilest thing in baseball (non-Lasorda division).

Pre humidor (1993-2001)
Rox, Coors+Mile High - 316-242 (.566), Rox 7.12 r/g, opp 6.71 r/g
Rox, road - 231-327 (.414), Rox 4.16 r/g, opp 4.66 r/g

Home field win % / road in % = 137%

Rox home R/g divided by Rox road R/g = 171%
Opp home  R/g divided by Opp road R/g = 144%
Difference - 118.9% advantage, Rox

Post humidor (200-2007)
Rox, Coors - 313-255 (.551), Rox 5.90 r/g, opp 5.53 r/g
Rox, road - 211-356 (.372), Rox 4.12 r/g, opp 4.96 r/g

Home field win % / road in % = 148%

Rox home R/g divided by Rox road R/g = 143%
Opp home  R/g divided by Opp road R/g = 111%
Difference - 128.5% advantage, Rox

In plain English, these numbers (with a massive sample size) demonstrate (conclusively, to me) that the Rox have CHEATED LIKE HELL with how they have deployed the humidored balls.  I am not sure how they have done it, but visors scoring has dropped a whole lot more than their scoring has, post-humidor.

I mean, don't you hate Coors?  Doesn't it feel like we are always getting our asses kicked there - like the Rocks hitters are still teeing off against our guys like it's beer league softball, while our hitters are playing normal MLB baseball, complete with strikeouts and weak grounders?  The Rox had the highest home field advantage in baseball before the humidor, and it's gotten ridiculous since they installed it.

The splits, pre- and post-humidor, are even more extreme and damning if you drop the times that it looks like, post 2001, the Rox have maybe not cheated - the last 12 games of 2006 (when the humidor was broken), 2004 (when my hypothesis is - after two years (02-03) of blatant cheating (unprecidented home field advantage (.593% road, .315% home)) - MLB told the Rox, through back channels, to cool it for a year), and this year (when, to be fair, it doesn't look like much cheating went on - they actually were .481% on the road - they simply, for once, had a good team).

4. It's the f*ckin Rockies.  I mean ... THE F*CKIN ROCKIES.  Blech.  I cannot root for any non-SF NL West team except for the Pads.

by SnowLeopard on Oct 22, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

at the risk of just agreeing w/each other...
You're absolutely right on all counts. AND I totally agree that the Rox are cheating w/humidified and dessicated balls.  You say that you don't know how it's being done; it would be very easy to do:

First, tons of balls are given to the umpires before each game, and the umpires are supposed to rub them with the fancy schmancy mud from the Delaware River to remove the factory gloss from them... but it has come out in recent years that (surprise!) umpires prefer not to do such tedious and demeaning labor, so they let errand boys do it. And those errand boys would be from the home team, obviously.

Second, so dozens of boxes of balls get delivered to the umpire's room and the mud-rubbing commences, and the boys have know which boxes came from the humidor, so those get rubbed up and put in a bin. When that bin is "full," (i.e., they've rubbed up a dozen dozen humidified balls), they then rub up a dozen dozen balls and put them in another bin.  The only thing they have to do is remember which identical bin with identical looking balls is which.  Easy.

Because the home team controls the balls, if they REALLY wanted to flat-out cheat, the home team could just rub up a bunch of dry balls themselves and substitute them in the dugout without even passing them through the umpire's room for the veneer of compliance with MLB rules re ball prep.

Your statistical evidence shows this is going on, at least, it shows it to my satisfaction. I was always prepared to believe it, and I'm not whatcha call a conspiracy theorizing wacko. I noticed that balls flew differently for the Rox than for the Giants in the same innings, and that couldn't ALL be attributed to our pitching.

The ONLY thing I'm glad for is that if the NL simply MUST be represented by a non-Giants team from the Western Division, that at least TK's dad gets a good gig. But putting that way aside, yeah, baseball at that altitude is a random pinball machine, unworthy of a championship being decided upon it.

With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Oct 22, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: at the risk of just agreeing w/each other...
The TK family appreciates your support. Unfortunately TBS isn't hiring anyone local for the Series ... however lame that is! But Denver deserves it anyway. :)
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by tk on Oct 23, 2007 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: at the risk of just agreeing w/each other...
Then that TEARS it! Even the one wispy thread of not-stomach-turning has been taken away from me. Go Red Sox!  (And to answer your questions below: no, I don't really want the AL dominance to continue; and yes, I do want to be ruled by "maturity is overrated." What's your point??????11?)
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by Mayor of 311 on Oct 23, 2007 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I'm not sure you've got anything there that seems like a smoking gun to me. Rockies runs/game at Coors fell 17.1% post-humidor, visitor's runs/game fell 17.6%.

At first glance it looks like it was worse pitchers for the Rockies achieving better results at Coors -- Rockies averaged 4.16 runs/game away pre-humidor, 4.12 runs/game after, while the opponents away runs went from 4.6 to 4.9. However, the away parks did not stay the same between your two samples, and of course neither did the Rockies' manager, or hitters, or starters, or bullpen. There's simply too many variables that could account for the third of a run per game the Rockies, at home, apparently were able to prevent their opponents from scoring post-humidor versus what you'd expect.

All that said, I've always thought that humidor represented a huge opportunity for cheating.

by taliesin on Oct 22, 2007 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
The number that I find most interesting is a number I call "boost" : Runs/Game in Denver divided by Runs/Games on the road.  If you take the Rox Boost divided by Opponents boost, you get a year-by-year number I call "competitive advantage".  

Presumably, both teams are deploying roughly the same pitchers and the same managers in both Denver and on the road, and both teams are playing in the same non-Denver stadiums each year.  So "Competitive Advantage" is a number that is normed, and comparable between years.

Year RoxBoost  OppBoost    CompetAdv
1993    1.82    1.32    137.2%
1994    1.30    1.33    98.1%
1995    1.62    1.67    96.7%
1996    2.17    1.38    157.3%
1997    1.44    1.23    117.1%
1998    1.75    1.44    121.5%
1999    1.71    1.56    110.0%
2000    1.89    1.45    130.2%
2001    1.50    1.42    106.0%
------------------------------
2002    1.78    1.21    147.4%
2003    1.54    1.02    151.1%
2004    1.47    1.36    108.17%
2005    1.56    1.08    144.88%
2006(first150) 1.27  0.97  131.11%
2006(last12) 1.00  1.30    77.03%
2006(tot) 1.28    1.04    123.40%
2007    1.24    1.08    114.39%

1996 was an outlier pre-Humidor year, with a crazy relative boost for the Rox, and a home winning percentage (.679%) minues road winning percentage (.346) of .333 that is just insane.  I am not sure what happened there.  The Rox seem to have figured out some way to take advantage of their home field, as Galarraga, Castilla, Burks, and Bichette      averaged 40 HR, 118 R, and 133 RBI each.

Anyway, even including that outlier year, you see an aggregate competitive advantage of 118.9% pre-Humidor ... and 127.8% post.  Given the huge huge sample size that is being examined here (2,413 total games, 27,216 total runs scored by the Rox or their opponents), that difference is an immense smoking gun.

Also, it is my hypothesis, looking at the numbers, that MLB told the Rockies to cut out the shennanigans in 2004, because they had been cheating so massively in 02 and 03 that it finally got under the skin of the rest of the teams, 25 games out of first or not.  But then the rest of the teams took pity on the losers, and their pathetic 68 wins and 5.54 team ERA in 04, and let them cheat again in 05 and 06.  At the end of 06, there was an announcement that the humidor "broke", maybe because the Dodgers were fighting for the wild card, and complained to the NL or the MLB before they headed to Coors.  Anyway, from the numbers, it doesn't look like there was much cheating going on this year either - the Rox were just plain good, and maybe MLB was like, "nope - no more horsing around for you."

So, aggregate 2004, 2007, and last twelve games of 2006 together, and you get a 105.6% competitive advantage for the Rox - hardly anything, really.  But you aggregate the rest of the post-humidor years (02,03,05,06), and you get a boost of 142.6%.  That's just crazy.  Bottom line : while they were cheating with the humidor, coming back to Coors increases Rockies scoring by 42.6% more than it increased opponents scoring, while the increase pre-humidor was only an 18.9% increase for the Rockies.  

Every team is better in their home park.  They know how to play it's weird angles better, and the roster is constructed for it (flyball pitchers in PetCo, groundball pitchers in GreatAmerican).  But no team is that much better without some tampering.

And that, right there, is why I hate the dishonest, cheating, weasily Rockies.  GO RED SOX!

by SnowLeopard on Oct 23, 2007 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
My numbers were off by a little, because I was counting 2006 twice.

Actual numbers:

2089 total games
23966 total runs

129.4% post-humidor total competitive advantage (even more damning)

by SnowLeopard on Oct 23, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
What's really remarkable about those numbers is that the Rockies have always played so much better at home than they do on the road. How can this keep happening year after year, no matter how much the personnel changes?

Any organized cheating with the humidor would be ridiculously hard to pull off for long without getting caught, I think.

by Evan on Oct 22, 2007 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
> Any organized cheating with the humidor
> would be ridiculously hard to pull off
> for long without getting caught, I think.

My imagination is that the rest of the NL freely knows they have been doing it, but were grudgingly OK with it as long as they came in safely in last place.  

Again, from the numbers, it doesn't look like the Rox were cheating this last year (2007).  And my guess as to why this is is because they were actually good this year, and the the rest of the NL West teams, through the NL office, told them to knock it off.

Year    Hm      Rd      Diff
1993    0.481    0.346    0.136
1994    0.439    0.467    -0.028
1995    0.611    0.458    0.153
1996    0.679    0.346    0.333
1997    0.580    0.444    0.136
1998    0.519    0.432    0.086
1999    0.481    0.407    0.074
2000    0.593    0.420    0.173
2001    0.506    0.395    0.111
-----------------------------
2002    0.580    0.321    0.259
2003    0.605    0.309    0.296
2004    0.469    0.370    0.099
2005    0.494    0.333    0.160
2006    0.543    0.395    0.148
2006    0.543    0.395    0.148
2007    0.622    0.481    0.140

by SnowLeopard on Oct 22, 2007 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
So you're suggesting that in 2006 (for instance), while the Padres and Dodgers were both contending with the Phillies for the wild card (and with each other for the division), they knew the Rockies were cheating but they were okay with it, despite the fact that they each had to play 6-7 more games in Denver than the Phils did. As Krukow might say, that makes none sense.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 23, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
MLB and the Rockies announced that the humidor "broke" for the last nine games of 2006.  The Rox started that homestand in fine fashion, pummeling Noah Lowery 20-8 and Matt Cain 12-4, but ended it with a three game sweep by the Dodgers, by an average score of 12 to 6.3.  So, actually, this "objection" you bring up actually supports the theory.

I remember my dad telling me that I was flat-out insane for saying my opinion that the power companies were fucking with California for being environmentalist hippies, and were creating blackouts on purpose just to jank us.  And then the Enron scandal broke, and it turned out, according to inside sources, that ... the power companies had been fucking with California for being environmentalist hippies, and had been creating blackouts on purpose just to jank us.

I smell something similar going on here.

by SnowLeopard on Oct 23, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I'm not saying it makes no sense that the Rockies have been cheating (though I'm still very skeptical). What's "flat-out insane" is the notion that the other teams know about it and allow it even when it threatens to keep them out of the playoffs, or that the league made them stop it in 2004 but then allowed it again in 2005. There's an incentive for the Rockies (or Enron) to cheat; there's no incentive for other parties to knowingly allow that cheating to their own disadvantage.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 23, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Yeah I hear you.  Those are good questions.  And I don't really know what is going on, or how it's done, or who is making what decisions.  All I know for certain is, the numbers look awfully fishy.

Maybe Selig made some phone calls, sent around some inspectors, in 2004, on behalf of the other teams - the Rox home advantage was really unbelievable (and maybe historically unprecidented?) in 02 and 03.  Maybe some Rockies executive pleaded on the phone during the 04-05 off season, saying, "what difference does it make to the rest of them whether we finish 30 games out of 20 games out?  We are going to lose the franchise if the home fans don't see some wins."  Fuck man I don't know.  The numbers do seem to show something, however.

by SnowLeopard on Oct 23, 2007 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Clearly it's not completely without precedent, since the Rockies' own home advantage in 96 was comparable to that of 02-03.

One thing that the numbers do show, clearly, is a pretty wide year-to-year variability - both before and after the humidor. And, if you're trying to prove the existence of cheating based on these numbers, it's circular logic to say that in 2004 they must not have been cheating because the numbers don't show it.

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by EliminateMe on Oct 23, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Yes variability.  Sure.  I like my narrative about 2004.  But OK let's just look at the aggregate numbers.

Simply put,

in 1,395 games before the humidor (1993-2001) and 973 games since its installation (2002-2007), (what's that, about 100,000 total PAs? - that's a pretty decent sample size)

Pre-humidor, the Rox scored 69.5% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.

Pre-humidor, opponents scored 42.3% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.

So : the Rockies homefield advantage in scoring was 164% that of their opponents.

Post-humidor, the Rox have scored 45.6% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.

Post-humidor, opponents have scored 12.5% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.

Post-humidor, the Rockies homefield advantage in scoring has been 385% that of their opponents.  Three hundred and eighty five frikkin percent!!!

In other words, before the humidor, Denver played like tee-ball for both teams.  Post-humidor, it's a relatively normal park for visitors, but it's still been crazy funhouse mirror-land for the Rox offence.

And, again, that's looking at all the numbers post-2002 as a total group, not breaking out any years.

I'll say it again : something funny has been happening.

by SnowLeopard on Oct 23, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
> Clearly it's not completely without
> precedent, since the Rockies' own home
> advantage in 96 was comparable to that
> of 02-03.
>
> One thing that the numbers do show,
> clearly, is a pretty wide year-to-year
> variability

One thing about the Rox extreme home field advantage in 96 : maybe they found some other way to cheat that year too.

Or maybe, more simply, it was that it was their second year at Coors, and it took them one year to figured out how to play the park, and other teams longer.  

Sometimes, when a team first moves into an unusual new park, they have an extreme home field advantage, until the rest of the league figures out the quirks of the park also.  Example : the Giants first two years at Pac Bell (a park with some weird peculiarities) : 104-58 at The Phone, 83-79 on the road.

by SnowLeopard on Oct 23, 2007 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I think some of it can be explained by how playing at Coors still gets in oposing teams heads.

You hear teams talking about it beore they even get there.  "(Pitcher) did a great job of eating innings tonight.  We're headed to Coors soon and we need all our bullpen arms available."

Offenses think they need to score 10 runs a game, so they press when they haven't scored five in the first three innings.

Pitchers keep hearing "no lead is safe" at Coors, so they press too, even when they're winning.

The Giants seemed to have alway sucked there, even when they were better and the Rockies weren't any good.

by Goofus on Oct 23, 2007 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Most teams have always sucked there, not just the Giants. If I'm reading SnowLeopard's numbers correctly, the Rockies have throughout their history been a 90-win team while playing at home. Which is pretty amazing, since it seems like they finish last nearly every year.

The psych-out explanation makes sense. But maybe too the altitude weakens visiting players more than they think. It would be interesting to look at the long-term records of the minor-league teams that play at high altitudes (Albuquerque, El Paso, Salt Lake, Colorado Springs) to see whether they have similarly crazy home-road splits.

by Evan on Oct 23, 2007 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Yeah, throughout their history (1993-2007) :

Rox home : .558%, 90-72 per 162 G
Rox road : .393%, 64-98 per 162 G
Rox tot  : .475%, 77-85 per 162 G

Rox home : 6.74 RS/G, 6.46 RA/G
Rox road : 4.30 RS/G, 5.07 RA/G

by SnowLeopard on Oct 23, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I think Manny is awesome, and the Red Sox are my AL team - the team that will give me hope while watching the Giants lose 100 games the next few years. Go Sox!
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by Aadik on Oct 22, 2007 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I think in recent years Manny has been underrated by most people in terms of talent/awesomeness. Definitely on the awesomeness.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Oct 22, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
He's hit two homeruns to right center this postseason on pitches on the outside part of plate that are among the most impressive I've ever seen. The one he hit at Jacobs (the one he did the showboating on) went 450 feet -- I can't remember when I've seen a 450-foot homerun that wasn't pulled.

by non sequitur on Oct 22, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
It goes without saying (so I didn't say it).

by non sequitur on Oct 22, 2007 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Go Rox!
This was a hard choice to make, and not one of those  ice cream or cookie dough choices. More like on of those syphilis versus herpes choices.

In terms of fans: "Red Sox Nation" pisses me off, but the smugness of a bunch of Denver folks who don't bother watching their team could really get to me if I ran into three or four of them.

In terms of the teams as institutions: Overpaying your team versus the most annoying mascot in baseball, if not sports.

In terms of players: I would love to see Troy Tulowitzki hit a hard liner right into Curt Schilling's knee cap...

-Choice made: Go Rox

by Scottsdale on Oct 22, 2007 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
i didnt really care until last night, but then to hear all the pompous asses(aka Red Sox fans) who seem to think they have the World Series in the bag already.....GO ROCKIES!!!!!!!!!!!

by slojoe on Oct 22, 2007 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
if the Red Sox win it will make my Uncle happy, and since my cousin is sick right now, I think that would be a good idea.  

If the Rockies win I only want it to be a sweep, because, even though the Rox are kind of the embodiment of evil, seeing a team sweep the playoffs would be pretty cool.

2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Oct 22, 2007 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Here's all I needed to be convinced to root for the Rox full-hearted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCMPJkOAFy4

I mean, seriously. People think this kid's the 2nd coming of Christ himself. Although I'm admittedly a bit biased, I'm pretty sure Timmy would outduel him any day of the week.

On a semi-related note, did anyone else have ESPN Classic on around 2 PM yesterday? Just curious if I was the only one that was a glutton for punishment.

by UnleashTheGore on Oct 22, 2007 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Papelbon is a pussface. I'll elaborate later.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I couldn't have turned the channel faster.

by ResDog on Oct 23, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I'm rooting for the loser.

by satyricrash on Oct 22, 2007 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Anagram "Boston Red Sox baseball club"
Slobs and brutal boobs excel.
Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 22, 2007 4:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Anagram Colorado Rockies Baseball Club
Bellicose Barracuda Block Solo.

I like yours better.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps this one's more apropos:
"Classic croak or able blue blood?"

Maybe that would fit better if it were the Dodgers.  Or maybe:

"Clobber laudable, social crooks"

That'll work, too.

Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 22, 2007 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Anagram
Boooooobs.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hehe
He said, "boobs".
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by Natto on Oct 22, 2007 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Hehe
Soooooooory. Sticky keyboooooooard.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ewwwwwww
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by Natto on Oct 22, 2007 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Ewwwwwww
Yooooooours toooooooooo, huh?
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I don't know, I find that the Rockies losing only one game in over a month is amazing.  I'm not really going to be actively rooting for either team to win, but I sure hope that the Rockies continue their streak, as I REALLY don't like the Red Sox, (most) fans and (most) players alike.

by sfgfan on Oct 22, 2007 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
Living on the East Coast, I know several Red Sox fans and only one Rockies fan, which I didn't even realize until the playoffs started.  Convenient yes, but an infinitely less annoying person than the Red Sox fans I know.  Talking to one of them today, he somehow completely discounted 21 out of 22.  I told him that was unwise.  He called me out on being a Giants fan and said we were fated to get A-Rod.  I retreated.  I hate following a crappy team that makes stupid decisions.

Thanks in part to the ever present East Coast bias, I find myself hoping both teams just get buried alive in a blizzard, as opposed to only the Rockies.

I can't say "Go Rockies," so how about "Whatever you do, don't let Boston win!"?

by GiantsTribe on Oct 22, 2007 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
fuck the east coast

im going with the god squad against that fucking hypocrite schilling

if the rox win it all, it will prove that money cannot buy you the ws

if the rox win it all, it will depress my sox loving nephew and maybe he will become a giants fan

by bacci40 on Oct 22, 2007 9:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
You want to subject him to further disappointment?
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by Natto on Oct 22, 2007 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
You didn't hear, though? Red Sox fans suffer the mostest of all the fans.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
This is silly. Do you really want the AL dominance to continue, do you really want to have your rooting interest be defined by "maturity is overrated"? Go nuts, but in this corner we have Go Rockies.
Notgardo likes the Rockies in the postseason.

by tk on Oct 23, 2007 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
When the Sox won in '04 my mom said "I've died and gone to heaven."  She grew up within walking distance of Fenway, watched guys like Williams, Pesky, the other DiMaggios.  Lived with the heartbreak of 46-67-75-86 teams.  Now, my mom taught me to love baseball, and always had the radio on (I grew up with KSFO, Lon Simmons doing Giants and 49ers) when I was a kid.  So I want to root for the Sox.  I do, Ma, really.  And Fenway Park is a great place.  Really.  And I love Manny.  Really.  Best RH hitter in the game, Mr. Entertainment, what's not to like?  But geez, the displaced Boston fans (The Nation) are an annoying bunch.  Not you, Ma.  You're the real deal.  So are Uncle John & The Cousins who still live in Massachusetts.  I'm happy for them.  Really.  But I just can't do it.  I rooted for the Indians.  Really.  Sorry, Ma.  But I'll NEVER forgive the Crockies for gagging in 1993 and handing the Braves the division.  Never.  Really.

 

by MarkO on Oct 23, 2007 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
I hate the rockies and more specifically Coors Fields.

by bigshowbaseball on Oct 23, 2007 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Rootin'
You hate Coors Field? [boggle]
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 23, 2007 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coors Field
I must assume he doesn't mean he hates Coors Field as a sports venue, as it is quite beautiful and even interesting as a facility.  I assume he's referring to how it plays, which is like a randomized pinball machine. In that, I must join him.
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by Mayor of 311 on Oct 23, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Coors Field
The way the field plays, sure it's terrible. The facility itself rivals our home ballpark in terms of beauty and general awesomeness.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 23, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Coors Field
My all-time fave capsule description of Coors: "View of Rockies enhanced by view of Rockies, and vice versa."
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by EliminateMe on Oct 24, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Coors Field
Is there such a thing as a non-randomized pinball machine? And if so, is it really boring to play?
SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Oct 24, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Coors Field
(1) Yes, and (2) not if you're the one making money off rubes.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Oct 24, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

GO BO SOCKS!!!
I was born in Boston, yet moved to SFO before I was 6 months old.  The Giants are my #1 team, and have been for over 40 years.  My second favorite team is anyone playing the Dodgers, and the Red Socks are a close third, followed by any team playing the Yankees.

I don't understand all of the Bo Socks hatred in these parts, nor do I really care.  You can find obnoxious fans of any team, including the Giants, without looking very hard.  When the SF Giants finally get around to winning the WS (hopefully in my lifetime), I'm sure that there will be 1000s of annoying Giants fans (at least to fans of other teams).

It would be very difficult for me to root for the upstart Rockies in the WS, regardless of who they were playing - unless it was the Yankees.  I can't stand the idea of any noob team winning the WS before we do...

by Jakespaar on Oct 24, 2007 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: GO BO SOCKS!!!
Yea.  How dare a young franchise try and win!  Don't they know they are supposed to intentionally lose?

In all seriousness, Helton deserves a ring more than any 5 players on the Red Sox combined.

Sharlon Schoop: "It's only stealing if you get caught...more than 54% of the time"

by Woody Wins on Oct 24, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

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