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I was pulling for the Indians almost as hard as I would have pulled for the Giants. I really was. I'll always pull for the Indians until they win a World Series because a) they haven't won a World Series in over a half-century, and b) the last time the Giants won a World Series, it was against the Indians, which somehow makes the Indians' streak of failure even more endearing. At least I'll always have the '94 49ers as proof that my specific rooting interests are not cursed.
Now comes an unpleasant choice. Red Sox or Rockies? The correct answer is "no." Man, I wish that counted for something. I understand the raison d'rêpugnance with the Red Sox. Their ALCS comeback against the Yankees was a fantastic piece of sports history, but the Sox fans have their ring now. After Boston blew open the game last night, Fox cut to a woman dancing a dance of smug. The look on her face was one of entitlement and personal validation; it was the look of someone who expected her team to win. I wanted to reach through the screen and stab her with a spork. These aren't the nail-biting lovable losers of yore.
But I just can't root for the Rockies. It's impossible. I don't care that they built their team in the "right" way. I don't care that Red Sox Nation comprise the most annoying subset of humanity in the modern world. I just care that the Rockies didn't exist the first time I kissed a girl or drove a car. It's a ridiculous philosophical position to base a team's "worthiness" on the length of their existence. But there you go.
The Rockies don't have a playoff history worthy of pity; heck, they barely have a playoff history at all. The city of San Francisco has Felix Rodriguez, Dusty taking the ball from Russ, Eric Young not on the playoff roster, McCovey's line-drive out, Candy Maldonado's dive, and a freaking earthquake instead of a championship. That long and varied history of failure has to count for something. Therefore, the Rockies don't deserve a ring until they suffer an acceptable amount of torment. I'm going to pout like a sullen toddler until the Giants win something, and I certainly won't root for the Rockies. It isn't exactly the moral high ground. It's an immature argument, at best.
I'm pretty comfortable with it, though. Maturity is overrated. Go not-Rockies.
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Close enough for me. I went with the Giants to Denver last September, wore my uni, got more warm and fuzzies from them than from the Giants players who were staying at the same hotel.
Don't misunderstand, next year I will hate them...until then, Go Rox.
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But-good news for Grant-this means the Rockies will lose. Because I am not allowed to get what I want.
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by paboperfecto on Oct 22, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
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I'm going for the Rockies now. Not just because of my vehement "anyone but Boston" stance, but because I think if the Indians hadn't shat the bed in consecutive nights and made it to the World Series, I wouldn't be completely disappointed at the outcome of the Series either way. Of course I'd root for the Indians and want them to win. I root for the Indians during the regular season too. The Rockies winning the World Series wouldn't make me upset or angry regardless of AL opponent. And at this time in my life, just calming my sports rage is a top priority.
However, it's just so very blah. Rockies? Jesus? Purple uniforms? Moronic dinosaur mascot? Bleck. At least the ballpark is nice and Yorvit Torrealba is there...and I owe some good times in my life to the city of Denver. You won't confuse me with a real Rockies fan. I'll lend my support for a minimum of four games and a maximum of seven. NL has to reprazent too, you see.
I guess the Rockies winning the World Series would be like the feeling I get when I'm on Prozac. I'm not leaping out of my chair to murder anyone, but I'm not really feeling much else.
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Funny, that's how I felt during Zito's starts this year.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
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Re: Rocktober Baby!
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Rox
On the one hand, the guy I know rooting for the Rox is a Yankees fan first, which isn't great.
On the other, stupid ex-g/f lives in Boston and is in love with Pedrioa.
Edge: Rockies.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you, The Onion
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
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This scenario is entirely possible with Schilling.

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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
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by seyheystretch on Oct 22, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
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Steve Finley
Juan Pierre
Shea Hillenbrand
Francisco Rodriguez
Any current young up-and-rising star on other NL West teams (James Loney, Troy Tulowitzki, Chris Young, etc.)
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=uu43lbTrvOQ
How can you not love the Rockies' story this year? I'm pulling for the Rox.
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by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Oct 22, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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I was wrong.
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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(Aside: a person lives fourteen years in Idaho, eight years in Missouri, thirty-four years in California, and sixteen months in New Mexico, and the last is her new home state? Okayyyyyy...)
My boyfriend is pulling for the Rockies because the Red Sox' eight seeing-eye ground balls pissed him off almost as much as me. (As they pissed me off, that is. I try not to piss him off too much.) Also, he hates the Red Sox' collective facial hair.
So I'm pulling for Ellsbury, Torrealba, Herges, and Helton. The rest deserve humiliation on national television.
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And quite frankly, I would have to question the decency of anyone who can root for the Red Sox and Schilling.
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1993 - 0-13 against the Atlanta Braves.
Giants 103 wins. Braves 104 wins.
Giants fail to make playoffs with quite possibly their best team ever.
Braves lose to the Phillies.
Giants are 8-4 against the Phillies in regular season... and we outscored them 84-47 in the regular season (ownage!)
Phillies lose to Toronto in WS.
That was ours to win.
FUCK THE ROCKIES!
DAMN RIGHT!!! Plus there is this small matter of:
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Counting on the rockies - Hoping someone or something will perform a task which benefits you, even though this someone or something is very, very, very unlikely to do so.
http://giantsblog.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_giantsblog_archive.html
by bdugan on Oct 22, 2007 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
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Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
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Rocked: GOOD
Rockied: BAD
I think a more proper usage is this
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- Red Sox nation is saying they are a little worried about the Rockies but you know they really don't believe that an NL West team could take down their mighty un-evil empire.
- The Rockies have an awesome team built the right way. I know they are an expansion team but what's the point of an expansion team existing in the first place if baseball doesn't give it a chance to win. Its an expansion team but all those players on that team are just as baseball worthy as a player for the cubs, Yankees etc. Joe Sheehan at Baseball Prospectus put it well when he said that MLB feeding us a steady diet of Red Sox-Yankees games all season long is why come playoff time no one seems to care about anything else. The fact of the matter is the Rockies have some bad ass players and if they were allowed to be showcased like players on the Red Sox or Yankees then maybe people would be more pumped about watching this year's WS.
- By default I cheer for the NL with certain exceptions that being the Dodgers or if the A's are in the WS or if I happen to like a certain AL team's story etc...
- Clint Hurdle is a baseball manager. Francona just weirds me out.
- I definitely wanted to see the Indians make the WS but I also knew that in the end I wanted the best team to make it. It seems like that team is the Red Sox. It sucks the Giants were so abysmally bad this year but its not like that is a recent discovery. We didn't get shafted out of the playoffs at the end of the season or are recovering from a bitter NLDS loss. So really we're in a great position to actually appreciate the awesomeness of playoff baseball. This has the potential to be a great back and forth 7 game world series so why not enjoy it?
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Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
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Go Red Sox!
- From my personal background, I have strong affection for the Red Sox. I spent the summer of 1986 in Boston, bartending on the Boston Harbor Cruises (not to be confused with cruising the Boston Harbor bartenders, not that there's anything wrong with that). A bunch of no-names, led by youngster Roger Clemens, caught fire and became the baseball story of the year, culminating in a great -- though tragically concluded -- WS.
- Y'all got some short-ass memories OR some short-ass senses of gratitude: it is the Red Sox who have ended the Yankees' domination + entitlement + methodology. Where's the Yankee hate? Where's the gratitude for knocking the Yankees off the megahistorical pedestal?
- The Rox are a DIVISION RIVAL. As I said above on this thread, we can't wish well for a division rival, period. Especially punks who haven't been in the league long enough to know what suffering is.
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by Mayor of 311 on Oct 22, 2007 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
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by that would be a homer on Oct 22, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
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Of course, as previously noted, I have a soft spot for the Rox and was rooting for them in the first two rounds of the playoffs. But even if it was the D-Backs, I'd still be rooting for them to beat the tar out of the Wussican League team.
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I need to pick a team to root for in order to care. I agree with all the other reasons people have listed for rooting for the Rocks, but when I think about the family of a minor-leage pitching coach who barely had a cup of coffee in the bigs benefitting from the Rockies winning, that makes it easy for me. That's real money for a real widow and her kids. I think it's probably safe to assume they could use that more than any player on either roster.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
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In terms of everything else, I'm already working on selective memory techniques that make this a Giants World Series win in my head.
I hope both teams lose, though.
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by non sequitur on Oct 22, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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Whoops
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Rox
- I usually root for the NL teams.
- Colorado has ex-Giants Yorvit and Herges and even LaTroy Hawkins.
- Rockies winning a WS is something I've never seen before, whereas I've seen the Red Sox win one.
- I can never ever, ever, ever, never ever cheer for a team that has Eric Gagne on it.
- I hate Curt Schilling, too.
- The Red Sox are now just a less filthy rich man's Yankees and I can't support that.
- Fever Pitch II.
- Red Sox Nation needs to get back to suffering - what it does best. I'm up for another 86 year curse.
- Lastly, and most importantly, a Rockies win would extend my Giants misery just that much more than it currently is, i.e., it would make me feel worse as a Giants fan and I'm really into wallowing in my Giants misery right now.
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 22, 2007 2:04 PM PDT reply actions
point man (person?)
Yorvit is the main reason I'm pulling for the Rockies but I can't say I'd support Matt Herges in anything he does.
Gotta say I agree with novelty.
It's fun to laugh at Gagne now that he's done.
If you support Curt Schilling the terrorists have already won.
I say this to a lot of people and they refuse to accept it. Hello, inflated payroll. Hello, annoying fanbase. Etc.
The first one was bad enough.
They'd still whine no matter what, but at least laughing at them is funnier when the team sucks.
Man, we're screwed anyway. :)
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
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Oh I see, they broke the curse, there was a long streak of championshipless baseball in Boston. So then, I suppose, one year later when the White Sox end their 88-year streak, THEY would earn the award, right?...right? WRONG!!!11!
This example typifies what is so rediculous about how sports media outlets do their job. Bostonians are no better than Chicagoans. Gimme a damn break. I wanna barf all over Red Sox Nation's breakfasts.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
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- Bill James works for them. Yeah, they have the second biggest payroll in the game, but they are Moneyball smart about it.
- George Stienbrenner is the vilest thing in baseball (non-Lasorda division).
Rox, Coors+Mile High - 316-242 (.566), Rox 7.12 r/g, opp 6.71 r/g
Rox, road - 231-327 (.414), Rox 4.16 r/g, opp 4.66 r/g
Home field win % / road in % = 137%
Rox home R/g divided by Rox road R/g = 171%
Opp home R/g divided by Opp road R/g = 144%
Difference - 118.9% advantage, Rox
Post humidor (200-2007)
Rox, Coors - 313-255 (.551), Rox 5.90 r/g, opp 5.53 r/g
Rox, road - 211-356 (.372), Rox 4.12 r/g, opp 4.96 r/g
Home field win % / road in % = 148%
Rox home R/g divided by Rox road R/g = 143%
Opp home R/g divided by Opp road R/g = 111%
Difference - 128.5% advantage, Rox
In plain English, these numbers (with a massive sample size) demonstrate (conclusively, to me) that the Rox have CHEATED LIKE HELL with how they have deployed the humidored balls. I am not sure how they have done it, but visors scoring has dropped a whole lot more than their scoring has, post-humidor.
I mean, don't you hate Coors? Doesn't it feel like we are always getting our asses kicked there - like the Rocks hitters are still teeing off against our guys like it's beer league softball, while our hitters are playing normal MLB baseball, complete with strikeouts and weak grounders? The Rox had the highest home field advantage in baseball before the humidor, and it's gotten ridiculous since they installed it.
The splits, pre- and post-humidor, are even more extreme and damning if you drop the times that it looks like, post 2001, the Rox have maybe not cheated - the last 12 games of 2006 (when the humidor was broken), 2004 (when my hypothesis is - after two years (02-03) of blatant cheating (unprecidented home field advantage (.593% road, .315% home)) - MLB told the Rox, through back channels, to cool it for a year), and this year (when, to be fair, it doesn't look like much cheating went on - they actually were .481% on the road - they simply, for once, had a good team).
4. It's the f*ckin Rockies. I mean ... THE F*CKIN ROCKIES. Blech. I cannot root for any non-SF NL West team except for the Pads.
at the risk of just agreeing w/each other...
First, tons of balls are given to the umpires before each game, and the umpires are supposed to rub them with the fancy schmancy mud from the Delaware River to remove the factory gloss from them... but it has come out in recent years that (surprise!) umpires prefer not to do such tedious and demeaning labor, so they let errand boys do it. And those errand boys would be from the home team, obviously.
Second, so dozens of boxes of balls get delivered to the umpire's room and the mud-rubbing commences, and the boys have know which boxes came from the humidor, so those get rubbed up and put in a bin. When that bin is "full," (i.e., they've rubbed up a dozen dozen humidified balls), they then rub up a dozen dozen balls and put them in another bin. The only thing they have to do is remember which identical bin with identical looking balls is which. Easy.
Because the home team controls the balls, if they REALLY wanted to flat-out cheat, the home team could just rub up a bunch of dry balls themselves and substitute them in the dugout without even passing them through the umpire's room for the veneer of compliance with MLB rules re ball prep.
Your statistical evidence shows this is going on, at least, it shows it to my satisfaction. I was always prepared to believe it, and I'm not whatcha call a conspiracy theorizing wacko. I noticed that balls flew differently for the Rox than for the Giants in the same innings, and that couldn't ALL be attributed to our pitching.
The ONLY thing I'm glad for is that if the NL simply MUST be represented by a non-Giants team from the Western Division, that at least TK's dad gets a good gig. But putting that way aside, yeah, baseball at that altitude is a random pinball machine, unworthy of a championship being decided upon it.
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by Mayor of 311 on Oct 23, 2007 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
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At first glance it looks like it was worse pitchers for the Rockies achieving better results at Coors -- Rockies averaged 4.16 runs/game away pre-humidor, 4.12 runs/game after, while the opponents away runs went from 4.6 to 4.9. However, the away parks did not stay the same between your two samples, and of course neither did the Rockies' manager, or hitters, or starters, or bullpen. There's simply too many variables that could account for the third of a run per game the Rockies, at home, apparently were able to prevent their opponents from scoring post-humidor versus what you'd expect.
All that said, I've always thought that humidor represented a huge opportunity for cheating.
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Presumably, both teams are deploying roughly the same pitchers and the same managers in both Denver and on the road, and both teams are playing in the same non-Denver stadiums each year. So "Competitive Advantage" is a number that is normed, and comparable between years.
Year RoxBoost OppBoost CompetAdv
1993 1.82 1.32 137.2%
1994 1.30 1.33 98.1%
1995 1.62 1.67 96.7%
1996 2.17 1.38 157.3%
1997 1.44 1.23 117.1%
1998 1.75 1.44 121.5%
1999 1.71 1.56 110.0%
2000 1.89 1.45 130.2%
2001 1.50 1.42 106.0%
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2002 1.78 1.21 147.4%
2003 1.54 1.02 151.1%
2004 1.47 1.36 108.17%
2005 1.56 1.08 144.88%
2006(first150) 1.27 0.97 131.11%
2006(last12) 1.00 1.30 77.03%
2006(tot) 1.28 1.04 123.40%
2007 1.24 1.08 114.39%
1996 was an outlier pre-Humidor year, with a crazy relative boost for the Rox, and a home winning percentage (.679%) minues road winning percentage (.346) of .333 that is just insane. I am not sure what happened there. The Rox seem to have figured out some way to take advantage of their home field, as Galarraga, Castilla, Burks, and Bichette averaged 40 HR, 118 R, and 133 RBI each.
Anyway, even including that outlier year, you see an aggregate competitive advantage of 118.9% pre-Humidor ... and 127.8% post. Given the huge huge sample size that is being examined here (2,413 total games, 27,216 total runs scored by the Rox or their opponents), that difference is an immense smoking gun.
Also, it is my hypothesis, looking at the numbers, that MLB told the Rockies to cut out the shennanigans in 2004, because they had been cheating so massively in 02 and 03 that it finally got under the skin of the rest of the teams, 25 games out of first or not. But then the rest of the teams took pity on the losers, and their pathetic 68 wins and 5.54 team ERA in 04, and let them cheat again in 05 and 06. At the end of 06, there was an announcement that the humidor "broke", maybe because the Dodgers were fighting for the wild card, and complained to the NL or the MLB before they headed to Coors. Anyway, from the numbers, it doesn't look like there was much cheating going on this year either - the Rox were just plain good, and maybe MLB was like, "nope - no more horsing around for you."
So, aggregate 2004, 2007, and last twelve games of 2006 together, and you get a 105.6% competitive advantage for the Rox - hardly anything, really. But you aggregate the rest of the post-humidor years (02,03,05,06), and you get a boost of 142.6%. That's just crazy. Bottom line : while they were cheating with the humidor, coming back to Coors increases Rockies scoring by 42.6% more than it increased opponents scoring, while the increase pre-humidor was only an 18.9% increase for the Rockies.
Every team is better in their home park. They know how to play it's weird angles better, and the roster is constructed for it (flyball pitchers in PetCo, groundball pitchers in GreatAmerican). But no team is that much better without some tampering.
And that, right there, is why I hate the dishonest, cheating, weasily Rockies. GO RED SOX!
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Actual numbers:
2089 total games
23966 total runs
129.4% post-humidor total competitive advantage (even more damning)
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Any organized cheating with the humidor would be ridiculously hard to pull off for long without getting caught, I think.
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> would be ridiculously hard to pull off
> for long without getting caught, I think.
My imagination is that the rest of the NL freely knows they have been doing it, but were grudgingly OK with it as long as they came in safely in last place.
Again, from the numbers, it doesn't look like the Rox were cheating this last year (2007). And my guess as to why this is is because they were actually good this year, and the the rest of the NL West teams, through the NL office, told them to knock it off.
Year Hm Rd Diff
1993 0.481 0.346 0.136
1994 0.439 0.467 -0.028
1995 0.611 0.458 0.153
1996 0.679 0.346 0.333
1997 0.580 0.444 0.136
1998 0.519 0.432 0.086
1999 0.481 0.407 0.074
2000 0.593 0.420 0.173
2001 0.506 0.395 0.111
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2002 0.580 0.321 0.259
2003 0.605 0.309 0.296
2004 0.469 0.370 0.099
2005 0.494 0.333 0.160
2006 0.543 0.395 0.148
2006 0.543 0.395 0.148
2007 0.622 0.481 0.140
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by EliminateMe on Oct 23, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
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I remember my dad telling me that I was flat-out insane for saying my opinion that the power companies were fucking with California for being environmentalist hippies, and were creating blackouts on purpose just to jank us. And then the Enron scandal broke, and it turned out, according to inside sources, that ... the power companies had been fucking with California for being environmentalist hippies, and had been creating blackouts on purpose just to jank us.
I smell something similar going on here.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 23, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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Maybe Selig made some phone calls, sent around some inspectors, in 2004, on behalf of the other teams - the Rox home advantage was really unbelievable (and maybe historically unprecidented?) in 02 and 03. Maybe some Rockies executive pleaded on the phone during the 04-05 off season, saying, "what difference does it make to the rest of them whether we finish 30 games out of 20 games out? We are going to lose the franchise if the home fans don't see some wins." Fuck man I don't know. The numbers do seem to show something, however.
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One thing that the numbers do show, clearly, is a pretty wide year-to-year variability - both before and after the humidor. And, if you're trying to prove the existence of cheating based on these numbers, it's circular logic to say that in 2004 they must not have been cheating because the numbers don't show it.
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Simply put,
in 1,395 games before the humidor (1993-2001) and 973 games since its installation (2002-2007), (what's that, about 100,000 total PAs? - that's a pretty decent sample size)
Pre-humidor, the Rox scored 69.5% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.
Pre-humidor, opponents scored 42.3% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.
So : the Rockies homefield advantage in scoring was 164% that of their opponents.
Post-humidor, the Rox have scored 45.6% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.
Post-humidor, opponents have scored 12.5% more runs per game in Denver than on the road.
Post-humidor, the Rockies homefield advantage in scoring has been 385% that of their opponents. Three hundred and eighty five frikkin percent!!!
In other words, before the humidor, Denver played like tee-ball for both teams. Post-humidor, it's a relatively normal park for visitors, but it's still been crazy funhouse mirror-land for the Rox offence.
And, again, that's looking at all the numbers post-2002 as a total group, not breaking out any years.
I'll say it again : something funny has been happening.
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> precedent, since the Rockies' own home
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> One thing that the numbers do show,
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One thing about the Rox extreme home field advantage in 96 : maybe they found some other way to cheat that year too.
Or maybe, more simply, it was that it was their second year at Coors, and it took them one year to figured out how to play the park, and other teams longer.
Sometimes, when a team first moves into an unusual new park, they have an extreme home field advantage, until the rest of the league figures out the quirks of the park also. Example : the Giants first two years at Pac Bell (a park with some weird peculiarities) : 104-58 at The Phone, 83-79 on the road.
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You hear teams talking about it beore they even get there. "(Pitcher) did a great job of eating innings tonight. We're headed to Coors soon and we need all our bullpen arms available."
Offenses think they need to score 10 runs a game, so they press when they haven't scored five in the first three innings.
Pitchers keep hearing "no lead is safe" at Coors, so they press too, even when they're winning.
The Giants seemed to have alway sucked there, even when they were better and the Rockies weren't any good.
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The psych-out explanation makes sense. But maybe too the altitude weakens visiting players more than they think. It would be interesting to look at the long-term records of the minor-league teams that play at high altitudes (Albuquerque, El Paso, Salt Lake, Colorado Springs) to see whether they have similarly crazy home-road splits.
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Rox home : .558%, 90-72 per 162 G
Rox road : .393%, 64-98 per 162 G
Rox tot : .475%, 77-85 per 162 G
Rox home : 6.74 RS/G, 6.46 RA/G
Rox road : 4.30 RS/G, 5.07 RA/G
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by non sequitur on Oct 22, 2007 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Rox!
In terms of fans: "Red Sox Nation" pisses me off, but the smugness of a bunch of Denver folks who don't bother watching their team could really get to me if I ran into three or four of them.
In terms of the teams as institutions: Overpaying your team versus the most annoying mascot in baseball, if not sports.
In terms of players: I would love to see Troy Tulowitzki hit a hard liner right into Curt Schilling's knee cap...
-Choice made: Go Rox
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If the Rockies win I only want it to be a sweep, because, even though the Rox are kind of the embodiment of evil, seeing a team sweep the playoffs would be pretty cool.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCMPJkOAFy4
I mean, seriously. People think this kid's the 2nd coming of Christ himself. Although I'm admittedly a bit biased, I'm pretty sure Timmy would outduel him any day of the week.
On a semi-related note, did anyone else have ESPN Classic on around 2 PM yesterday? Just curious if I was the only one that was a glutton for punishment.
Re: Rootin'
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Anagram "Boston Red Sox baseball club"
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 22, 2007 4:36 PM PDT reply actions
Anagram Colorado Rockies Baseball Club
I like yours better.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 22, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps this one's more apropos:
Maybe that would fit better if it were the Dodgers. Or maybe:
"Clobber laudable, social crooks"
That'll work, too.
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 22, 2007 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Anagram
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Hehe
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Ewwwwwww
by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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Thanks in part to the ever present East Coast bias, I find myself hoping both teams just get buried alive in a blizzard, as opposed to only the Rockies.
I can't say "Go Rockies," so how about "Whatever you do, don't let Boston win!"?
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im going with the god squad against that fucking hypocrite schilling
if the rox win it all, it will prove that money cannot buy you the ws
if the rox win it all, it will depress my sox loving nephew and maybe he will become a giants fan
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by howtheyscored on Oct 22, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
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by MarkO on Oct 23, 2007 9:28 AM PDT reply actions
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by bigshowbaseball on Oct 23, 2007 4:01 PM PDT reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 23, 2007 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Coors Field
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 23, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 23, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
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by EliminateMe on Oct 24, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
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by EliminateMe on Oct 24, 2007 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Mayor of 311 on Oct 24, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
GO BO SOCKS!!!
I don't understand all of the Bo Socks hatred in these parts, nor do I really care. You can find obnoxious fans of any team, including the Giants, without looking very hard. When the SF Giants finally get around to winning the WS (hopefully in my lifetime), I'm sure that there will be 1000s of annoying Giants fans (at least to fans of other teams).
It would be very difficult for me to root for the upstart Rockies in the WS, regardless of who they were playing - unless it was the Yankees. I can't stand the idea of any noob team winning the WS before we do...
Re: GO BO SOCKS!!!
In all seriousness, Helton deserves a ring more than any 5 players on the Red Sox combined.

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