Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
It's hitting all the news just now. The Yankees decided to bring Joe back. Joe decided he'd had enough of their crap. Kudos for him, and the classy way he handled it, flying down to Tampa to tell them in person.
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Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 18, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
Re: I would have fired him last week
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 18, 2007 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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It wouldn't matter who was managing
Torre is being paid $7M
It is unfair
Don't get me wrong, I think Torre is a bad game manager and his handling of the bullpen is especially awful. But those aren't the reasons that the Yankees aren't bringing him back. In essence, they're letting him go because Torre just hasn't been lucky enough recently.
The whole thing reminds me of the story of the hiring manager going through a stack of 1,000 resumes. He separates the stack into four piles and throws three of them in the trash. When asked why, he says, "I don't want unlucky people working for this company."
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 19, 2007 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, yes postseason ball
HOWEVER, back when the Yanks were winning WS after WS, Torre never said no such thing. His reputation, his resume, was built on being a manager who won in the postseason.
Furthermore, the issue that arises then is why pay Torre $7M to manage a team of very talented players? If other managers can do the same as him, ie take the Yanks to the playoffs only to get dumped easily, why pay him so much to do the same?
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Managers (at the major league level) have little impact in a short playoff series. You can't blame Torre for not winning a championship just because your expectations are high. Lower your expectations and accept the reality that a team full of future HOFers can lose a 5-game series to the Royals if things go awry.
Yes, yes postseason ball
But, back when the Yankees were winning WS after WS, Torre used to claim that there was something special about him / his managing style. He even wrote a book about this. He built his reputation on winning in the post season. He can no longer win in the post season. Too bad.
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Few managers in the history of baseball should have the privilege of bragging about their managing style. Torre isn't even close to being on that level. A manager with a career winning percentage below .500 before coming to the Yankees -- when he managed the team with the highest payroll by far every season -- does not deserve to brag about being special. If anything, Torre's book should have been about how much he appreciates ESPN for building his reputation as a great manager. Without ESPN, the city of New York, the mystique of the Yankees, and the rivalry with Boston, Torre would be just another manager recycled through different franchises, never finding success until he's ultimately spit out of the Devil Rays organization into oblivion.
To be fair to Torre,
Re: To be fair to Torre,
In all seriousness, Yankee fans should (and I think a good many of them do) appreciate how lucky they were to win so many titles in such a short period. MLB hasn't had the same team win the series twice since '01.
Re: Torre is being paid $7M
Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 18, 2007 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 18, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
But seriously, good on Joe for telling them to go to hell. Must be nice to have made enough money to tell them to kiss your ass.
Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 18, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
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Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 18, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
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He bascially said they're going to do their best to win. If they don't win, big deal, just try again next year.
Who'd have thought it would take a goofball like Ramirez to put things in proper perspective?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 18, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
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by satyricrash on Oct 18, 2007 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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It's ignorant beliefs like this that really have me wondering if we're ever going to move forward as a society.
by PacBellBoozer on Oct 20, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 18, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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by peteisathug on Oct 18, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 19, 2007 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by howtheyscored on Oct 19, 2007 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yankees Manager Search: Day 1...2...3...4...
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 18, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
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even on the radio, every espn 20 minute update led off with "they haven't fired him yet"
I mean really
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Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 18, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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Make it through the first two months of the season, pocket a cool two million, and laugh all the way to the bank. "Suckas!"
Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 18, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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I manage little leaguers and i have to teach them and yell at them to run the right way. I'm pretty sure MLB players know the game pretty well.
I mean all bobby cox does is nap and yell.
which is awesome.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Oct 18, 2007 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
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Best gig ever.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 19, 2007 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
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Re: Joe Torre Turns Down Contract Extension
But it seems to me to be the right thing for bothe parties. Steinbrenner is justified to have higher expectations, but it's also unclear if anybody else could handle the circus. So he makes an attempt to bring back the status quo, but without the willingness to pay market price for it (which, fun enough, "market price" was set so high by him to begin with."
Also good for PR. Being able to say, "We tried to give him a contract" makes him look less evil, even if he never really expected Joe to take it. Kind of like the contract the A's extended to Tejada back in the day when he walked.
So it makes sense for George that if he's going to bring Joe back, he'd only do it at a discount and if he wasn't going to bring him back he had to make it look like he tried.
And for Joe, he was staring down an unreasonable paycut from his point of reference on a one year contract with stupid incentives. So by this contract a best case scenario would likely be that Torre is going through this same crap again at the end of next season. If he's going to take a paycut, he should at least have a few years of security behind it. So from his POV it's a deal that doesn't make sense to take.
So, good business by both guys, even if Steinbrenner is a public douche about it and Torre is a public saint.
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So, what are you saying
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"We certainly hope that they decide to come back," Cashman said. "At the end of the day we consider them Yankees and they will have an opportunity to remain part of the Yankees."
by Mark carry on on Oct 19, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
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I can't stand Steinbrenner anyhow, so thinking of how the Boss (no, not Bruce Springsteen, dolt) must be simmering in his own juices is good enough for me. Now imagine a few years of Pirate-like production and that old coot would never leave Tampa.




















