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Intra or Inter? Not sure....

by Grant Brisbee on Oct 16, 2007 1:42 PM PDT in News

The postmortem pieces on the Diamondbacks are already trickling in, which almost makes up for having to think about the NL Champion Colorado Rockies. Ick. Oscar-winning screenwriter, Ben Affleck. Grammy-winning song, "My Humps." Nobel Peace Prize winner, Henry Kissinger. National League Champions, the Colorado Rockies.

Back to the article, which mentions that the Diamondbacks might look for a starting. MLB Trade Rumors suggests Noah Lowry, but pulls him off the hypothetical table because a) the Diamondbacks know about things like K/BB ratios and b) the Giants would be reluctant to trade within in the division.

I agree with the first point; the Diamondbacks have a GM who isn't too worried about veteran savvy, raw ERA, or W/L totals. The second point, though, makes me wonder how big of an obstacle the whole intra-division thing is. The last trades with each team:

Arizona - Feliz Rodriguez for Trow Browhan and Chris Van Rossum
Colorado - Ellis Burks for Daryl Hamilton, Jason Brester, and Jim Stoops
Los Angeles - Travis Denker for Mark Sweeney
San Diego - Matt Herges for Clay Hensley

That's two heists for the Giants, one trade they probably regret (though Hensley was awful this season), and one trade that isn't likely to be a factor. If Denker does become a good major leaguer, it might be the greatest trade in the history of anything just because of the neener-neener factor. The neener-neener factor seems to be why trades within the division are rare, especially with an unbalanced schedule.

So now the comment starters: Do you care about intra-division trades? Should Sabean?

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Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

I'm open to anything that's what she said. Although the idea of a former Giants player killing us, I think Sabes should explore all avenues for trade possibilities. I'm not completely sold on his ability to evaluate talent though.

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Oct 16, 2007 1:51 PM PDT reply actions

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*Although I don't like the idea of a former Giants player killing us

If I'm not going to pay attention in class, I should at least get my posts right.

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Oct 16, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions

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Former Giants players routinely kill us.

Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions

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as do future Giants (Mark Portugal effect).

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 16, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions

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The once and future Giants?

Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

It has since been renamed the Steve Finley effect.

by sfmaynard on Oct 16, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Why does everyone remember the Finley trade as a bad one? We got him for Edgardo Alfonzo.

Joe Simpson:"I was told by a player that the hardest throwers he saw all year were Ubaldo Jimenez and RANDY MESSENGER"

by rxmeister on Oct 16, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions

RE:

I don't know if it's really a matter of relative value. Trading week old garbage for day old garbage is a good trade on paper, but sometimes it makes more sense to just take the week old garbage to the dump and come home to a clean house.

It's not a perfect analogy. Finley had some decent value for almost half a year. We remember the trade poorly because he had none to less than none value for the second half, and that's the taste that's left in our mouths, the more recent bit.

But there's also a bit that has to wonder how much different things would have been if it had just been a clean DFA and we had neither Finley nor Alfonso that year. I don't remember who was around right now because I've done so much blocking, but not being hamstrung with the veteran could have accomplished any number of things. It could have opened us up to hamstring ourselves with another one, in which case the point is likely moot. It could have given us a spot to evaluate Linden much earlier than we ended up doing if I'm not grievously misthinking this. Who knows...?

I just don't care for the thought process that just because Finley had more value than Alfonso it was a good trade. I'll go with it being a good trade for a couple months... but overall? Overall, on a scale of -10 to 10 where 0 is a player worth your time, I'd say we're dealing with a situation where Alfonso proved to have -10 value and Finley ended up with -5 value.

This is all hindsight, though. I'm not sure anybody would have called it a bad trade at the time it was made... which seems to be a bit of a hallmark with this team lately...

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2007 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: RE:

IMO, the thing with the Finley trade is that it very well could have been a great trade. But then they decided that Steve Finley was an everyday player and flogged every last ounce of value the trade had out of him by playing him every single day down the stretch, as he grounded out weakly to second every at bat.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Oct 17, 2007 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions

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As do present Giants (Ray Durham effect).

SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Oct 16, 2007 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions

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You always left me satisfied and smiling!

Hey dude...I still haven't heard back from the Branch Manager person...how long did it take for you to get added to your office?

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Oct 16, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

I was accepted pretty quickly, but one of my friends had to wait an extra week. I don't think the manager for my branch is very reliable.

Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Oct 16, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Gracias...I'll head to another office then...It's been more than a week already for me.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Oct 16, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Really, the whole thing isn't all that great.

Steve Kline: How okay is he, really? I would say he is pretty okay.

by groug on Oct 16, 2007 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

Booya!

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2007 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

No and no.

Matt Cain, cleanup hitter or starting pitcher?

by cain1rstballothof on Oct 16, 2007 1:51 PM PDT reply actions

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shouldn't the Giants try to trade Lowry within the division, if, as we all seemingly agree he isn't as good as he was a couple years ago?

Also, Alex Trevino for Candy Maldonado. Best trade ever, and probably why it took another 20+ years for a Giants/Dodgers trade to happen.

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 16, 2007 2:03 PM PDT reply actions

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2 words... Brett Tomko.

Sorry. Had to.

I'm cool with inter/intra as long as there is no bad blood that could cause issues later.

If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Oct 16, 2007 2:06 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

as long as it's not trading Cain or Lincecum within the division. I really don't want to face Cain 6 times a year or close to it. That would suck for the Giants to get no hit 3 times in 1 year and one hit in the other 3.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Oct 16, 2007 2:14 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Uh, have you seen the 2008 projected lineups? Me no thinkey they need Cain for that.

by zenbitz on Oct 16, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

A discussion with TK via email today prompted this...The Rockies annoy me, and so do the Diamondbacks. But there's not one thing wrong with the way either team in built. As few as three years ago these teams were horrible and hopeless. They rebuilt from the ground up with good drafts, great minor league development, and retaining pieces that made the difference (see: Brandon Webb for Arizona, Todd Helton for Colorado). This year's NLCS should be a model for all teams in the league. This is how to build an MLB team. I wish the Giants would do this.

But to answer your question no I don't care about intradivison trades and neither should Sabean. Then again there are a lot of things Sabean should do...

Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss: Not fascist: SF Dugout. Not boring nor fascist: CLE winning the World Series.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 16, 2007 2:14 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

The Dodgers, D'backs and Rockies all have a surplus of young hitting and could all use more pitching. We have some pitching to trade. Those teams seem like better trade fits than most out-of-division teams. I say go for it!

If Chad Tracy had't just had microfracture surgery on his knee, I'd say trade Lowry for him and Carlos Quentin.

by DrBGiantsfan on Oct 16, 2007 2:33 PM PDT reply actions

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The Giants should definitely explore a package including Quentin. The insane contract they gave Crash Test Dummy Byrnes makes Quentin expendable. Combined with the subpar year he had and you're looking at an outfielder who is young, talented and undervalued...it don't get much better than that.

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

You make a good point about him having a sub par year, but that is exactly why you wouldn't trade Noah Lowry for him. It shouldn't cost that much to get him, and if they're still trying to sell high on him they could keep him. Conor Jackson is a different story though, and I would definitely take him for Lowry.

Joe Simpson:"I was told by a player that the hardest throwers he saw all year were Ubaldo Jimenez and RANDY MESSENGER"

by rxmeister on Oct 16, 2007 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions

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CoJack for Lowry, straight up? I think I speak for the FO when I say we'll take it.

DbacksSkins

by DbacksSkins on Oct 17, 2007 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Quentin is going to be a star for somebody, which is why I'm not sure whether I want us to trade him. Maybe, but only if they'll bite on potential alone.

Remember that our FO is still a little pissed off at the whole Scotty Hairston deal.

DbacksSkins

by DbacksSkins on Oct 17, 2007 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Have to re-enter the den to comment on this.

I'm not sure we'd give up both Q and Tracy for even a decent starter like Lowry, but it would give us what we need (starter) and clear up two logjams. (Corner infielder and corner outfielder)

DbacksSkins

by DbacksSkins on Oct 17, 2007 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Talent is talent, whether it comes from the Yankees, the Dodgers or the Seibu Lions. If you can get Ned Colletti to give up Matt Kemp for Noah Lowry, by all means you go for that. Hell, go for it if you can get Loney and some spare parts.

The whole "Never Trade to a Team in Your Division" rule of thumb is old-timey baseball nonsense in the mold of:

Lefties make bad closers
Leadoff men must be fast
Strikeouts are Poopy

If a team has a surplus of hitting and a scant amount of pitching then attach a spotlight to Lowry's shiny ERA. Bill Bavasi and Wayne Krivsky both love sparkly objects, come to think of it...

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 2:45 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Oh yeah, I just remembered that Bavasi traded Asdrubal Cabrera (yeah, that guy) for a few months of Eduardo Perez. I think Sabes could realistically expect Wladimir Balentien, Jeff Clement and a year's supply of Starbuck's for Lowry.

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Except divisions are less than 40 years old...

by zenbitz on Oct 16, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

40 years? Impossible. No one was alive then!

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Sorry, the point was more that "Don't Trade to a Team in Your Division" is the type of commonly-held baseball knowledge that doesn't make much sense because it narrows the available talent pool when you are looking to improve your team.

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

trade with whoever can make you better, especially if it is starting pitching I think. Considering having to face them so often, a hitter is in the lineup you'll face multiple times nearly every game, every series, but pitchers at the most once per series. also, if we can take anything from what kendall did to help the A's destroy us when Zito was pitching early this year, we should know best what our old pitchers will try to do. I realize Zito was incompetant enough on his own to fail early this season, but i still think knowing our old pitchers tendencies/weaknesses is somewhat of an advantage

by joeytothelimit on Oct 16, 2007 4:04 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Any success Kendall had against Zito was a complete fluke. He was the worst player in baseball last year (.242/.301/.309).

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Ray Durham (.218/.295/.343)? Adjusting for position, I think that's worse.

Rajai Davis: fast.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 16, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Yeah, but Ray-Ray had a better walk rate and hit for more Isolated Power (SLG-BA). Once you take those into consideration, Kendall basically just had a few more singles. Don't get me wrong, they were both terrible but I think Kendall edges him out, especially considering he made twice as much money as Durham.

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Agreed with you on the walk rate and IsoP. However, I still think whatever slim advantage this gives Durham is canceled out by it being more harmful to your team to get Durham's numbers from your 2B and #5 hitter than Kendall's numbers from your #8 hitting catcher.

Rajai Davis: fast.

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 16, 2007 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

True, the difference isn't huge. And to be honest I just checked Kendall's page and thought that he had gotten more than 45 AB's in the 1 and 2 hole this year.

Bottom line: They were 1 and 1A on the list of terrible baseball players this season.

by JSully on Oct 17, 2007 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions

You make it sound as if singles

are worthless; Durham has a higher walk rate yes, nonetheless, Kendall still ended up with a (marginally) higher OBP.

Now, I'm not saying that Kendall was better or worse.

by rfloh on Oct 17, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions

Not at all...

but with Kendall's skill set the only way for him to provide any value is if he hits a ton of singles as his walk rate has declined and his power is non-existent. Durham, on the other hand, was still walking at a decent clip and hitting for some power. Durham was awful this year but with his skill set he was also somewhat unlucky; with Kendall, he is what he is: an older catcher who can't get on base, can't hit for power and can't throw anyone out.

by JSully on Oct 17, 2007 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions

All your points matter

if we are talking about projecting how awful they will be in the future. Not so much when we're evaluating how awful they were this past year.

by rfloh on Oct 17, 2007 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions

The difference...

between 6 points of OBP is statistically insignificant. Durham had a higher Adjusted OPS by 4% and an extra 34 points of SLG despite 24 fewer points of BA. Durham also made $7 million while Kendall made nearly $14 million.

by JSully on Oct 17, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Durham had an OPS+ of 64

Kendall 61. SO yes, Kendall was marginally more awful.

My point was that in evaluating past performance, skill set doesn't matter. Results are results.

by rfloh on Oct 18, 2007 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

i guess what i wrote was kind of unclear, I was talking about what I had heard about kendall having called a team meeting before that first game where Zito pitched against the A's. Kendall went over all of Zitos tendencies etc, and the A's lineup destroyed us. Acutally I think Kendall was the only one w/o a hit lol

by joeytothelimit on Oct 16, 2007 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

I think those things are more anecdotal than anything. With hours of film, advance scouting, pitch mapping, etc. there are plenty of opportunities to track a pitcher's tendencies. Oakland was second in the majors in walks this year and Zito walked 83 batters this season. When you pair an extremely patient offense against a pitcher with poor control these things happen (Zito walked 7 in that game).

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

I think it's iffy. Let's say we trade Lowry for Kemp or whatever. Lowry could potentially make the Dodgers more better than Kemp makes the Giants better because they are only losing their 4th OF compared to our 3rd starter.

The only way I'd want to trade with in the division is if the trade made us better and them worse, but then the other team probably wouldn't want to make the trade.

by Azmanz on Oct 16, 2007 4:33 PM PDT reply actions

You trade Lowry for Kemp

instantly. Kemp is not their 4th OF, regardless of what a dumbass team does with him. He's already appearing to be a stud/has superstud written all over him.

by awesomer @ McCovey Chronicles on Oct 16, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: You trade Lowry for Kemp

ok, so i would doubt that the dodgers would make a trade that would then help the giants more than the trade would help the dodgers.

by Azmanz on Oct 17, 2007 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: You trade Lowry for Kemp

In an efficient market with a rational GM, sure, there's no chance that Kemp gets traded for almost anything. However, there are two things in the Giants' favor:

Ned Colletti hates young players. Seriously, Gonzo and Juan Pierre got 1,100 AB's while Kemp and Loney got just over 600.
Ned might just be seduced by Lowry's sub-4 ERA.

Any Kemp-Lowry deal is a reach, no doubt. The point is that if the Giants are serious about taking offers for Lowry they might as well aim high. If they don't want to give up Kemp then no problem but it doesn't hurt you to try.

Look what happened when the A's decided to trade Mulder.

by JSully on Oct 17, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Wow, this must be the only type of construction in which the phrase "more better" comes even close to being grammatically sound.

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Oct 16, 2007 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions

Oh Lord, Please Trade Kemp

Seriously, Kemp is awesome. He has some plate discipline issues but he went .342/.373/.521 in 300 bats last year. Oh yeah, he's also 23 and can play a legit CF with the arm for RF. He's probably better than Russell Martin and is easily better than any OF the Giants have. I'd do the deal straight up, but would do cartwheels if he was part of a package.

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Kemp is only the Dodgers' 4th OF...

...because the Dodgers are run by a bunch of f$*%ing idiots. If Grady Little had the balls to stand up to his own players, he'd sit Gonzalez down, tell him to STFU, and play Kemp. Kid's gonna be a big star-- or, at the very least, a heckuvan everyday player.

This, coming from a big Gonzo fan, no less.

DbacksSkins

by DbacksSkins on Oct 17, 2007 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Intra-division trades are always touchy, and superstar intra-division trades almost never happen.

I'm not sure whether the 'care' in question means to avoid them or not, but I think Sabean should definitely not avoid them. Two of the best fits in MLB for a trade with the Giants are division rivals: The Dodgers have Andy LaRoche apparently on the block, and the Rockies reportedly may put Garrett Atkins on the block, and both need starting pitching. And the Diamondbacks may not have a particular guy I can target like those two, but they also have a plethora of position prospects and a need (desperate, I'd say) for young starters.

I'm not sure there's any infielders on the market I'd like as much as getting either LaRoche or Atkins. Maybe Jeff Clement. But even then, I'd rather get a third baseman than a catcher whose value drops when we move him to first.

SFDugout.com - Returning Offseason 2007

by BruteSentiment on Oct 16, 2007 4:48 PM PDT reply actions

No particular Dbacks guy you can target?

Lemme help you. These are a few of the guys who might be tradeable:

Conor Jackson, righty, 1B - Needs to turn the doubles into homers and/or improve his D. Slow runner, but with the best OBP on the team. Has an eye for the strike zone like Barry's.
Chad Tracy, lefty, 3B/1B - Great player, great guy, but looks like Barbie trying to hit lefties, and Mark Reynolds is cheaper with more upside. May play 1B if CoJack gets traded. Will hit 25-35 HRs. Injured.
Carlos Quentin, righty, OF - When the FO resigned Byrnes, Q's trade chances shot up. HUGE upside, has always been a beast in the minors but didn't perform well this year in fulltime duty. Needs to work on plate discipline. Speed on basepaths and a cannon of an arm. Absolutely FEARED in the minor leagues. Future got foggier as soon as Justin Upton got called up. Injured, and that may have hurt his performance this year.
Jeff Salazar, lefty, OF - Former Rox prospect, cut at the end of spring training. Good speed, decent OBP, fantastic defense in RF. Stole at least 3 HRs this year. No power at the plate but a true force defensively.

We've got bullpen arms galore, too.

DbacksSkins

by DbacksSkins on Oct 17, 2007 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: No particular Dbacks guy you can target?

Oh... and Carlos Gonzalez. Currently OF but might move to 1B, hits for power AND average, no ego to be worried about. Promoted to AAA at the end of the season. Might also be CoJack's replacement if he gets traded.

DbacksSkins

by DbacksSkins on Oct 17, 2007 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: No particular Dbacks guy you can target?

Conor Jackson doesn't "Have an eye for the strike zone like Barry's". Nobody has an eye for the strike zone like Barry's.

Nobody. Not even Barry.

by Cookyman on Oct 17, 2007 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

The intra division trades usually don't happen because it's more risky so teams generally expect what they perceive as more in return. It's hard to formulate a trade where BOTH GM's think they're getting a steal.

Joe Simpson:"I was told by a player that the hardest throwers he saw all year were Ubaldo Jimenez and RANDY MESSENGER"

by rxmeister on Oct 16, 2007 6:41 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Look how things worked out when Sabes thought he pulled one over on Terry Ryan.

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Not only should the Giants NOT do it...it doesn't make sense to do so.

For example if the Giants trade a great pitcher for a great hitter and both players do NOT flop then all those two teams have done is balanced out the power within their own division. They've basically evened the playing field.

The only way it makes sense to trade within the division is if one GM knows that there is a disparity in quality within the trade that the other GM is unaware of. OR if one team is in the buy now/win now mode and another team is rebuilding. And if rebuilding/or winning now is the case then it's all right for former players to come back and bite us since we won previously because we traded them away.

Therefore, since we are rebuilding and our pitchers are young, we should not trade.

by Sigualicious on Oct 16, 2007 6:45 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

I disagree. Noah Lowry is basically Barry Zito lite (low strikeout rate, too many walks, etc.) but he has two things that make him appear to be worth more than he truly is:

Two full seasons with an ERA under 4.
He's young and cheap.

While the second is undoubtedly an asset, the first only serves to gloss over the fact that he's a 3/4 masquerading as a 2/3. This disconnect between perception and reality has created an opportunity for Sabean to get more value out of Lowry by trading him than by keeping him. If the Giants can get package centered around Matt Kemp or Ian Stewart they should seriously consider it, regardless of the fact that they would be trading him inside the division. Not taking an obvious step to improve your team is foolish.

by JSully on Oct 16, 2007 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

The only playing field you'd be evening is between your team and the team you're trading with, regardless of division. There's still 14 other teams in the league you can gain ground on.

"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."

by capnk on Oct 16, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

I don't care about intradivision trades, and neither should Sabean. In general, I dislike rules that unnecesarily limit you (and yes, I realize that I may have just done that to myself.) In my opinion, if you can get a good deal, you do it from wherever you can. Don't pass up a good trade because it is with someone in your division.

D

by sunnyd100 on Oct 16, 2007 7:36 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

Well I, for one, definitely care about trades with the Dodgers. It WOULD be great if Denker turns out to be a stud, and trading Mark Sweeney for ANYTHING was a steal. But just because Sabean and Ned Cholesteroletti are friends is no excuse to trade with our biggest rival... especially when they are in our division. In general, I'm not really keen on trades within the division.

If Brad Hennesy had Steve Kline's attitude you'd get Rob Nen... without the triple digit heat.

by milesntrane on Oct 17, 2007 7:26 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Intra or Inter? Not sure....

IMO a general manager should almost always favor the deal that will most help his own team. Only if he feels that a competitor will benefit significantly more than his own team should he not make the deal.

And if that is the case, he might want to examine the deal no matter WHO his trading partner is.

by sharksrog on Oct 18, 2007 9:19 PM PDT reply actions

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