File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
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by Lyle on Jan 4, 2007 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
Feliz, Benitez and 10 million for Cabrera.
Sounds fair to me.
by positiveuphemism on Jan 4, 2007 9:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by positiveuphemism on Jan 4, 2007 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by MeSoKrabby on Jan 4, 2007 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Complementary Bags
So we give them a bag of baseballs, plus Armando, who is equivalent to a bag of hammers.
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Complementary Bags
by Legend In My Own Mind on Jan 4, 2007 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Be specific, please
Or throw him in the Bay?
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Be specific, please
by Legend In My Own Mind on Jan 4, 2007 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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(My 1st try at the "block quote" thingy.)
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/01/04/SPGFENCO4F1.DTL
(one of these days, I'll do the "clean link" thingy.)
by Goofus on Jan 4, 2007 9:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
Not that I'm comparing you to Benitez. I wouldn't compare my worst enemy to Armando Benitez.
by Skaldheim on Jan 4, 2007 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by MeSoKrabby on Jan 4, 2007 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Jan 4, 2007 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit Fiddling Around
I'm going to check out Goofus' dirty link.
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 4, 2007 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Jan 4, 2007 9:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seal this Deal
Send Prospects.
Send Chocolates.
Send Hookers.
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
If we could get a real prospect like Petit and dump Buttmando with Florida taking on $1M to $2M of his salary, my question is what the hell is Sabean waiting for?"
by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Jan 4, 2007 9:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by achiappanza on Jan 4, 2007 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Jan 4, 2007 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Jan 4, 2007 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Yusmeiro-Petit.shtml
Petit still qualifies as a prospect given his limited MLB playing time. We'll find out tomorrow if he still makes the Marlins top 10 list.
Here is part of what BA wrote a year ago when they rated him as the #2 prospect in the Mets top 10 (prior to being included in the Carlos Delgado trade):
Background: Petit continues to dominate with stuff that is typically deemed ordinary....
Strengths: Petit's four-pitch attack plays up because of his above-average command and deception. Some grade his 88-90 mph fastball as a plus because of its movement and his ability to hide the ball well....
Weaknesses: ... While he mows down righthanders, he struggled in 2005 against lefties who slugged .525 against him. At 6-feet and 230 pounds, he must watch his weight.
The Future: Petit's numbers suggest a frontline starter, but his raw stuff profiles him toward the back of a rotation....
From MinorLeagueSplits.com, here are Yusmeiro Petit's 2006 splits in the minors:
Vs RHB: .251/.295/.447
Vs LHB: .286/.317/.518
That difference looks more manageable. He did have a huge difference, though, in his K/9 rate, although almost no difference in his BABIP. At the same time, he also had a much higher G/F against LHB than against RHB.
by steve S on Jan 4, 2007 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2007 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Jan 4, 2007 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 4, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by allfrank on Jan 4, 2007 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Jan 4, 2007 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Text of Bochy's Touching Phone Message to Benitez
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
If he were a Giant, do would you guys rank him somewhere between 4 and 7 on our prospect list? (I'm doubting he'd rank higher than Lincecum, Villalona or Sanchez, right?)
by Goofus on Jan 4, 2007 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again if you use C+ and Sickel's ratings..
by WalrusMan on Jan 4, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
by irwin on Jan 4, 2007 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just checking at John Sickels..
by WalrusMan on Jan 4, 2007 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Just checking at John Sickels..
by Roger on Jan 4, 2007 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2007 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
To the Top?
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 4, 2007 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: To the Top?
by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
by biff pocoroba on Jan 4, 2007 10:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very nice example of...
by Andy from DC on Jan 4, 2007 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Very nice example of...
by biff pocoroba on Jan 4, 2007 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let us Fervently Pray
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Very nice example of...
by VidaWantsYourCar on Jan 4, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zito starts
Now that's Symmetry Baby !!
by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Jan 4, 2007 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Zito starts
by leftymalo on Jan 4, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by out machine on Jan 4, 2007 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Jan 4, 2007 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Jan 4, 2007 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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That's exactly why the Marlins won't make the deal right now. They want to wait until they see what he's got left.
by English Professor on Jan 4, 2007 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
File under: I'llbelieveitwhenithappens
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 4, 2007 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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What if Benitez goes into Spring Training and pitches horrendously like last year when he had a 23.48 ERA? The fat lop gave up 21 runs in 7.2 innings!!! Good luck pulling off this trade if that happens.
by April3rdLifeBegins on Jan 4, 2007 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
The Marlins must still be swimming in the pool of delusion!
Hell, I'd get get rid of Benigntez for a couple of shingles for my roof and a six pack of Gatorade (flavor to be named later).
BTW: Is it possible that the Giants could have the majors' next Big 3/4 in their starting rotation????
by The Eliezer on Jan 4, 2007 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by leftymalo on Jan 4, 2007 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Time to move on.
Now.
by E Ticket on Jan 4, 2007 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our torches are sputtering in the offseason
I see the difference in you.
You are so, well, reasonable about this. But during the regular season I distinctly recall your mood was a tad harsher.
As in, Swift Death is too good for this AntiChrist.
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Our torches are sputtering in the offseason
I can hear it now.
Kruk: "Well, Kuip, it looks like Armando is warming up down in the pen getting ready for his first appearance of 07."
Kuip: "It will be interesting to see how the fans over in the Cove react to the big guy following the offseason"
Load Roar from the Coven: *(@#---#$^@Q$#&(@$&#&****hole00s0-f77l -mmmmm a8iarfratz sucker..8er blat. kashrmartz,!!!
Kruk: HEH HEH! Yeah Kuip, the season is official now!
by E Ticket on Jan 4, 2007 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All wrong
Either that, or the clicking sound of a magazone snapping into place.
by irwin on Jan 4, 2007 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All wrong
Either that, or the clicking sound of a magazone snapping into place.
by WalrusMan on Jan 4, 2007 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: All wrong
by Goofus on Jan 5, 2007 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All wrong
Either that, or the clicking sound of a magazine snapping into place.
by irwin on Jan 4, 2007 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Either that, or the clicking sound of a magazone snapping into place.
by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2007 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: All wrong
by irwin on Jan 4, 2007 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2007 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: All wrong
by Goofus on Jan 5, 2007 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Our torches are sputtering in the offseason
I'm soooooooooooo looking forward to laying into this fat piece of shite when he blows his 2007 save opportunities and blames it on the gold glove shortstop playing behind him.
by PacBellBoozer on Jan 4, 2007 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 5, 2007 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by allfrank on Jan 4, 2007 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by WalrusMan on Jan 4, 2007 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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As a starter: 6.09 ERA, .296 BAA, 1.69 WHIP
As a reliever: 3.61 ERA, .249 BAA, 1.29 WHIP
by English Professor on Jan 4, 2007 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes..
by WalrusMan on Jan 4, 2007 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by English Professor on Jan 4, 2007 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Yes..
by Sayhey on Jan 4, 2007 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An arm for all occasions, I say
Most of his relief innings (and that respectable ERA) from the "three-year" period were logged in 2006, a breakthrough year when he wasn't allowed even once to start a game (except in spring training, where he excelled).
by Moggeee on Jan 4, 2007 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by leftymalo on Jan 4, 2007 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by allfrank on Jan 4, 2007 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: An arm for all occasions, I say
If the Giants were able to extract an arm like Petit for Benitez...highly doubtful...it would give them the ability to move Lowry for offensive help and plug Petit into the rotation. However, I'm expecting that the Marlins will come to their senses.
By the way, I agree with Lefty. Sanchez would be much better in the relief role. His secondary pitches are not yet ready for a starting role.
by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say something to the contrary..
Right now I can't see Petit being plugged into the rotation. Unless he can turn around his last year's results or pick up some more abilities. Even getting rid of Benitez means that there will be an opening in the Giants bullpen. I'm against it unless we can get an impact position player. That won't happen unless someone's closer loses an arm in the next few months.
by WalrusMan on Jan 4, 2007 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I'd say something to the contrary..
That won't happen unless someone's closer loses an arm in the next few months.
I think he's smoking some salmon, at worst.
by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: An arm for all occasions, I say
I think Sanchez will have more success as a reliever this year, but I think he'll go a lot farther as a starter. He had his year in the bullpen, he knows what major league hitting is, and the rest of the rotation is s-o-l-i-d. There's no better time to give him a shot than '07, even though I hear it's pretty up in the air.
His secondary pitches do need work, but he didn't have to use them when he was in the bullpen last year and they didn't get any better because of it.
by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2007 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Sanchez, while he has raw ability, is not yet ready to be a major league starter yet. The Giants would be better served by keeping him in the pen this year or lettin him stay in the minors all season and start down there.
I'm not sure that our rotation is s-o-l-i-d as you seem to think. Not with Morris and possibly Hennessey pitching every 5th day.
by oldrips on Jan 4, 2007 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: An arm for all occasions, I say
Zito's going to be fine. Cain can only get better (I say, ignoring the painful fact that it's not necessarily true), Lowry should be much better, I think Morris will be fine, not the Morris of old, but fine, and I don't mind giving the fifth spot to a young guy with those other four just to see what we have in Sanchez. I am optimistic about the pitching staff, but I think (and others do as well) that I have reason to be.
I'm not saying the Rotation will be great. Not a diamond in the bunch (Cain still has time before he's diamond quality), but a lot of other, pretty hard rocks or something that makes this imagery work.
Besides, if we trade Lowry for hitting and put Petit in his place, we still have the fifth hole open that Sanchennessorreia will have to fill, so you'll probably still see "Morris and possibly Hennessey pitching every fifth day" except with another unproven starter in the mix to boot. Your argument isn't making sense.
by howtheyscored on Jan 4, 2007 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Jan 5, 2007 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Jan 5, 2007 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Jan 5, 2007 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we have a blindspot
I also see that Lowry salary, and it makes me very devout.
by Moggeee on Jan 5, 2007 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: An arm for all occasions, I say
His and Morris'/Morris's rib injury are big reasons why I'm optimistic about next seasons'/seasons's rotation.
by Goofus on Jan 5, 2007 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True Excitement
by Moggeee on Jan 5, 2007 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is one year..
by WalrusMan on Jan 5, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: An arm for all occasions, I say
What you're suggesting is trading Mando for Petit (an upgrade in its own right), Trading Lowry for nothing (Feliz-esque = nothing; big downgrade), having nothing start in the field and bat third (actually, a downgrade), and starting Petit in missing Lowry's place (big downgrade from my POV, regular downgrade from your POV).
So our hitting is at best the same and our pitching is worse. That does not = improvement. And this is true even if Lowry isn't good, as I seem to think he is.
by howtheyscored on Jan 5, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by oldrips on Jan 5, 2007 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: An arm for all occasions, I say
An upgrade in offense can immediately take place if Bochy acknowledges Feliz's role as a bench warmer/defensive replacement. Or if we can trade Sweeney and sign Craig Wilson, but that won't happen.
Remember, Brian Sabean is running this team. Any help Lowry brings back is negated by Sabean's wacky standards for good hitting. We'll just end up with Shea Hillenbrand or A.J. Pierzynski again.
by Punch Rockgroin on Jan 5, 2007 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: An arm for all occasions, I say
So that makes sense. We can argue that point to the end of the world and never know for sure. I guess that's that.
by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2007 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure getting rid of Benitez is great and all..
by WalrusMan on Jan 4, 2007 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
... Benitez is great and all..
by irwin on Jan 4, 2007 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: ... Benitez is great and all..
by Goofus on Jan 4, 2007 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: ... Benitez is great and all..
Though I don't really want to sound like Dwight
by irwin on Jan 4, 2007 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: ... Benitez is great and all..
by Skaldheim on Jan 4, 2007 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: ... Benitez is great and all..
by Natto on Jan 4, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: ... Benitez is great and all..
by Goofus on Jan 4, 2007 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: ... Benitez is great and all..
by irwin on Jan 4, 2007 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: ... Benitez is great and all..
by Goofus on Jan 5, 2007 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: File under: Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
by NearestNorwich on Jan 4, 2007 6:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Pants Man on Jan 4, 2007 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Jan 4, 2007 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jckessler on Jan 4, 2007 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Natto will retire within a year off the royalties, buy the Giants from Magowan, and give all of us free luxury boxes for life as a token of his appreciation.
by E Ticket on Jan 4, 2007 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Jan 5, 2007 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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You should have dressed Manso up like Santa during the holiday season.
by Goofus on Jan 5, 2007 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Complete Your Spoonerisms!
(Both created Infernos.)
by Moggeee on Jan 5, 2007 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant!
by Natto on Jan 5, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Idiot Unleashed
Shipping , too...unless you - or others of your Coven brethren - are , as they say , coming to ST in PHX.
I will wear it to the hotel the Giants stay at...and I will photograph Mando's reaction when he sees it.
I'm dead serious.
by victor frankenstein on Jan 5, 2007 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VicFrank leads a double life
by Moggeee on Jan 5, 2007 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It won't last but...
- Twice All-Star (2003-04)
- National League Rolaids Relief Man of the Year * Award (2001)
- Led NL in saves (47, 2004)
- Ate five cocks
by dangjackson on Jan 5, 2007 8:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: It won't last but...
by dangjackson on Jan 5, 2007 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mando also has control problems
by Moggeee on Jan 5, 2007 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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