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"I stabbed my brain..."

It's pointless to try and dissect Russ Ortiz's stats from the past two seasons; if he's still that pitcher, he won't last long. He probably wouldn't make it out of spring training. The Giants love the extra satisfaction that comes with the name brand purchase, but a pitcher who can't command an 85-mph fastball is a pitcher who can't command an 85-mph fastball is a pitcher who can't command an 85-mph fastball. No one's going to fall for that anymore. If his problem was really mechanical and not physical - which is what Ortiz has been declaring for the past two seasons - maybe he really did figure it out down in Puerto Rico. And maybe Richard Hidalgo is ready to be a cleanup hitter again. Why not?

Yesterday's post featured a lot of pitchers who would probably make better relievers than starters, at least for 2007, so I'm not opposed to bringing in competition for the fifth spot. The upside is that just two years ago, Russ Ortiz finished his fourth straight season with an ERA better than the league average. His peripherals were lousy each time, so even when he's on he's a brutal pitcher to watch. Still, he is not that far removed from being a very valuable starting pitcher.

The downside is that his name buys him a whole bunch of grace, especially if he small samples his way into a good spring. A 30 IP, 17 H, 18 BB, 18 K performance leads to a 3.34 ERA, which leads to an April and May of hearing, "Man, if we're just a little more patient, maybe the Ortiz from March will come back." The downside is that Russ Ortiz has been worse than awful over the past two seasons.

Now it's on to the McCovey Chronicles groupthink. Take a guess at these fill-in-the-blanks, and we'll see who gets the closest. Winner receives an invitation to join the ultra-exclusive Yahoo! Mail:

  • He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than _ _ _ _.
  • His spring ERA will be _ _ _ _, with a walk/strikeout ratio of _ _ _ _.
  • He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for _ _ _ _, and will put up a _ _ _ _ ERA during that time.
As a spring training invitee, I would predict that he wouldn't get the job. As a pitcher with a guaranteed contract, I'm more "optimistic" he'll be in the rotation. He'll win the rotation spot if his ERA is lower than 4.50. His spring ERA will be 4.49, and he'll walk 17 and strikeout 16 in 23 innings. He will inhabit the fifth starter's role until the All-Star break, and will put up a 5.45 ERA during that time.

And the people here will weep.

And why didn't Dusty keep Ortiz in Game Six of the 2002 World Series?

The last time I hated giving a chance to a pitcher with stats this poor, he became an All-Star closer for Minnesota. Man, the Giants shouldn't have traded that guy.

And why didn't Dusty keep Ortiz in?

Remember when Joe Nathan put up Ortizian stats in AAA, and then became a surprisingly effective reliever? And then remember when we traded him and prospects for A.J. Pierzynski? Remember that? Man, that didn't work out.

And why didn't Dusty keep Ortiz in?

This signing puts me in a weird mood.

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Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
*He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 4.00.

*His spring ERA will be 3.88, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 14/17.

*He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 2 months, and will put up a 5.27 ERA during that time.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 10, 2007 1:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
I don't care what his stats are in ST. If he still looks like a pig, shoot him and ditch the gun. Even if he throws 150 km/hr.

Dood. Those are some painful memories you brought up. I just got heartburn all over again. I gots to move on from that. It is like sucking on a mold infested lime.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 10, 2007 1:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
Dont have stats to fill.
Russ's numbers have been too wierd over the last 2 seasons to even try.

In defense of the signing I will point this out: Russ is extremely cheap. ARZ is paying for him to play while the Giants drop the league mininum for a pitcher that could, COULD turn out to have just suffered a bad spell and end up being productive. Its kind of easy to put Russ in the pen or on the bench if he isnt workin out -- hes cheap.

Lastly, in or out, why did Dusty give him the ball? It haunts me as much as why he didnt start Woody in game 7. Or why he-who-is-now-a-bum wouldnt start (altho it probably didnt matter at that point).

by ckrehel on Jan 10, 2007 2:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
# He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 4.00 (my opinion) or 4.50 (Giants opinion).
# His spring ERA will be 4.17, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 17/12.
# He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for three months, and will put up a 4.75 ERA during that time, yet Sanchez puts up a 1.48 ERA starting for Fresno.
Here's to a good 2007. Or 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or...

by WalrusMan on Jan 10, 2007 2:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
Doesn't matter what his ERA is in ST.  He wins the job if he has two solid starts late in the spring.  K/BB is irrelevent too.

As for the season, I predict he will be the 5'th starter until the All-Star break at which point he will move up to #3 starter.

Season stats:  14-9.  ERA approximately 4.00.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 10, 2007 2:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
hey man, is that seat taken?
Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 10, 2007 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
Excellent point about the two solid starts. Spring ERA only matters if it supports a decision the team wants to make anyway.

If he lives up to the rest of your projection, I think he officially wins the Comeback Player of Forever award.

by Evan on Jan 10, 2007 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stranger Things Have Happened...
Go look up Mike McCormick's career stats and pay particular attention to 1967 and the preceding 2-3 years.

by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 10, 2007 7:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
Hmm, strange career McCormick had -- starting with the callup at seventeen. Looks like he must have developed some significant injury in 1962 that took years to overcome?

What seems particularly hopeless about Ortiz is (a) he doesn't seem to have had any injury, (b) 2006 marked his fifth straight year of decline, (c) even when he was good he had terrible command, and (d) he's well into his thirties now, which is about the time pitchers start losing their fastball anyway. Adding all that up, a comeback seems like the longest of longshots.

by Evan on Jan 11, 2007 7:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
I thought watching Van Landingham pitch was the most painful thing I'd ever seen until I caught Russ' act with the Orioles last year. His start against Tampa Bay was like watching that final scene in Tin Cup -- only in real life.

by Roger on Jan 11, 2007 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
How did you make it to the final scene?

My prediction, Ortiz doesn't make it out of spring training.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Jan 11, 2007 6:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
Was 1967 the year he started hosting Dialing for Dollars?
You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Jan 11, 2007 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
But I've already achieved the legendary Yahoo! Mail... I won it in this other contest I had somewhere else about something different with other people.

It's really a great yahoo mail address, too. You'd never guess it, even if you tried.

Maybe I'll try at these stats later anyway. Like I always say, it can't hurt to have two.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2007 2:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You all are much too optimistic
He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 4.50.

His spring ERA will be 2.32, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 18/40.

He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for two months, and will put up a 2.75 ERA during that time.

He will then suffer a season-ending injury and be replaced by Darren Oliver (despite Sanchez' aforementioned 1.48 ERA at Fresno), who will post a 6.20 ERA the rest of the year as the Giants ooze from first to third place.

by antinous on Jan 10, 2007 2:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
It's all so very simple.  You see, the plan goes as such:
  1. Sign Russ Ortiz
  2. ???
  3. World Series Champs

by biff pocoroba on Jan 10, 2007 2:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
Ooo, ooo! I'm good at these games!

??? = Itching powder.

Right? It's itching powder, isn't it?

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2007 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 5.00

His spring ERA will be 3.50, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 22/15.

He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 15 starts, and will put up a 6.33 ERA during that time.

Speaking of Pyrzinski, Do you think he and Urban Meyer look like brothers? Maybe cousins?

"I want to dip my balls in it." Louie

by MeSoKrabby on Jan 10, 2007 2:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain with a spoon."
Wins the spot with Spring ERA under 5.00.

His Spring ERA will be 14.97, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 21/14.

He will be cut prior to the season.

Vote for Pedro...to be DFA'd!

by W8ingForATitle on Jan 10, 2007 2:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
#  He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 4.50.
# His spring ERA will be 3.60, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 20/40.
# He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 1462 years, and will put up a 9998 ERA during that time.
<(-'.'-)>

by lunaticfridge on Jan 10, 2007 3:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 5.00.
His spring ERA will be 4.50, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 1/1.
He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season, and will put up a 4.50 ERA during that time.

by English Professor on Jan 10, 2007 3:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 4.50

His spring ERA will be 1.98 with a walk/strikeout ratio of 1.5/1

He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season and will put up a 163.45 ERA during that time.

Ha Ha! Armando's the new Meg!

by The Balls of Summer on Jan 10, 2007 3:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
Some things are better off left dead.
"In the Autumn of his Winter, comes man's last mad surge of youth".

by Ghost11 on Jan 10, 2007 4:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
There's no chance the Giants are trying to force some kind of Gagne-like conversion of Ortiz to the closer role?

by otis29 on Jan 10, 2007 4:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 4.75.

His spring ERA will be 3.45, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 18/11 (in 20 innings).

He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 3 months, and will put up a 5.78 ERA during that time. (and we will continually hear about how he's just about to turn the corner and how the next start is the one where he puts it all together and how he knows he's a better pitcher than this and how we all have to be patient.)

LicensetoPills: they say this to my family. to barry bonds family. and i say, "i'll bust you up. here is a candy corn."

by jponry on Jan 10, 2007 4:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
So....  What I'm getting is that Russ Ortiz is Brett Tomko minus 10mph on the fastball?

"This is the start where he turns the corner"
"He's finally figured out the game in his head"
"Blah blah blah blah"

Hitler was a Dodgers fan.

by The Nick on Jan 10, 2007 5:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
He sucks, but because he is a veteran, will be the fifth starter. He will then suck some more.

6
11/12
8 starts, 6.66 ERA

by Captain Obvious on Jan 10, 2007 6:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Someone had to do it:
 He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is even close to being best among the available candidates'.
 His spring ERA will be ridiculously high, with a walk/strikeout ratio of astronomical proportions.
 He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for Fresno, and will put up a stratospheric ERA during that time.

by giantnitpick on Jan 10, 2007 7:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
#  He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 6.00.
# His spring ERA will be 4.80, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 18/19.
# He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season, and will put up a 5.50 ERA during that time.

by Skaldheim on Jan 10, 2007 8:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
  • Russ Ortiz  wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 5.50 (Although even if Ortiz posts a spring training ERA of 7.50, as long as he peaks during his last Cactus League start, he will win the spot in the rotation).
  • His spring ERA will be 4.79, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 15/20.
  • Ortiz will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season, and will put up a 4.77  ERA, going 12-11, during that time.

by Kid Fresh on Jan 10, 2007 8:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
I have also asked for years "Why did Dusty take him out?". It didn't make sense...he was throwing great, he was under 100 pitches, and the Angels had only managed 2 little hits...and no runs scored yet. But later I read where Snow was quoted that Ortiz had  "asked to be taken out" (!!!), and that the team was really pissed at him after the game. The rest is history. But I always thought that that was why he was traded away...he quit under pressure, and so wasn't wanted any more. But who really knows?

Anyway...best of luck in 2007...if he makes the team because he has improved...good for us. If not, adios and cheers...

by whataboutbob on Jan 11, 2007 12:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
I agree with Evan - it depends on what the Giants' plan is going into ST. Ever the optimist, I think the team is hoping Jonathan Sanchez claims the fifth starting spot.

-ERA needed to be 5th starter: 3.00 or lower
-Spring ERA: 5.85
-He will inhabit the 5th starter's role, in Fresno, for 2 months. He won't show anything, and will be released when the Giants are ready to promote a starter from Connecticut.

Waiting for Nate, Tim, Billy, & Emmanuel

by Lyle on Jan 11, 2007 6:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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