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It's a little too early to start proclaiming things about Matt Cain. The pratfalls and foibles of young pitchers throughout history have been run into the ground on this site. Cain is a promising young pitcher. Let's just leave it at that, and not get nuts here.

I mean, you know, let's not go overboard. There's a fine line. He has a great arm, and he's been fantastic lately. His confidence is obvious in recent starts. He still hasn't really scratched the surface of his curveball, which about once a game looks like the greatest breaking pitch in the history of the sport, and that just highlights how effective he can be with his fastball. So let's keep things in perspective.

Okay. Now that you bring it up, a villager outside of San Francisco did see Cain's face on a tortilla. It'd be easy to read a lot into that. But let's not get out of hand. He's just a good young pitcher. I'll start the day off with a simple, Colbertish question:

Matt Cain. Greatest young Giants pitcher of my lifetime, or greatest young Giants pitcher of your lifetime?

Going back in recent Giants history, it's hard to find an apt comparison among promising young pitchers from the past. Here's a short list, with links to the minor league histories of the pitchers. It's bound to be incomplete, so go to the Baseball Cube and bring up what I've missed.

The list, with two names left off intentionally:

One thing that's not right to do is play the "Giants are cursed"-card when these names are brought up. A lot of these pitchers had relatively successful careers, and most helped their teams win for extended stretches. Except for Estes. Well, even Estes had 1997, a season that opens the first chapter of the forthcoming new book, "Why to be Suspicious of Freakishly Low Totals for Hits Allowed: Or, How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Remain on Second Base."  Just because there isn't a Hall of Famer, or even a Hall of Very Gooder, in the bunch doesn't mean this is a list of cautionary tales.

But the comparisons break down quickly. Garrelts and D'Acquisto had control problems that surpassed anything ever exhibited by Cain, and rounded into form at a later age. Hammaker had the control but not the strikeout numbers, even after accounting for a different era, and the combination of fine control/slightly above-average strikeout numbers would also describe Williams. Downs and Estes weren't exactly kids when they found their first success. Foppert's prospect-era fastball is more something for cryptozoologists to discuss, as he never showed anything like that in the majors.

The closest comparisons, in my opinion, which really aren't even that close:

Montefusco zipped through the system on his way to a decent career, but was three years older than Cain before he was even in the system. That leaves Torres, who is the closest comp for Cain when just comparing age and numbers. Including Torres isn't meant to be some M. Night Shamalyan twist at the end of the post. Without knowing Torres personally, it'd be inappropriate to speculate that he was radically different from Cain at the same age when it came to maturity and confidence. However, Torres was radically different from Cain at the same age when it came to maturity and confidence.

Pointless exercise, for sure, but it just might highlight exactly what we're watching. Cain's combination of past minor-league success and current success, especially when considering his youth, is pretty much unparalleled in recent Giants history. Comparisons are useless, but watching the guy throw is amazing. I, for one, welcome our new flame-throwing overlord.

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Re: Cain
I think it's somewhat limiting to compare Cain to other Giants in any case. Cain is a toolsy, perfect-body-for-a-pitcher high school phenom who, in about his 20th big league start, figured out that 1) he can throw his fastball with relative impunity and get big league hitters out; and 2) when he actually spots his fastball on the low-outside corner (the Mazzone Zone) he's damn near unhittable. Given his recent performance, there's no other under-23 year old pitcher I'd rather have right now. Not Verlander, not Hernandez, and not (because of his injury history) Liriano. Cain is Josh Beckett without the blister problem.

by TimSchultz on Sep 15, 2006 11:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Cain is Josh Beckett without the blister problem.

Now if we can just get Cain two starts against the Yankees in the World Series ...

by non sequitur on Sep 15, 2006 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Looking at the minor league stats on Cain, I almost wonder why he was brought up last year.  He found ways to win, but a 4.39 ERA at Fresno doesn't indicate what he is showing now.  I think the important thing is the speed he moved through the system.  Why did he go so fast?  Was he immidiately tagged as a guy with a high ceiling at 17?  Or was it because Sabean can't draft for crap and we needed a major league body?  

Thanks for bringing up Torres.  Honestly, I hear his name and wonder how the guy is still in the league. I don't know who was more at fault that horrible day 13 years ago, and I don't care.  I don't think I've ever seen a beating that bad.  Plus, we had someone else available (looking at the roster, it may have been Bill Swift), that was much better, and had the experience to get through an ENORMOUS game.  

Not to mention that after that game the whore I was dating broke up with me. I was more devestated by the Giants losing, but I got over it faster.  

by SmokinZBT on Sep 15, 2006 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I keep telling people
that they shouldn't date whores.  It just never ends pretty.  We'll just have to chalk up your experience as a useful data point.

And yes, Cain was pegged as a guy with a high ceiling from the start.

by Nick Schulte on Sep 15, 2006 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
i think it was between Torres and Jim Deshaies. Swift would have started the playoff at the Stick against the Braves.

as for Cain, I don't want to jinx anything but here's the best comparison I can think of: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/Tom-Seaver.shtml

"Baseball is life, the rest is just details."

by nick on Sep 15, 2006 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Thanks for the link Nick!

I remember Seaver as one of the great strikeout pitchers of my era and yet his K/9 rate was under 7 his first two seasons, he had only 1 season with it over 9, 3 total over 8, though he had a number of them at 7.50-7.80, but his K/9 took a permanant plunge at age 34 (oops, Schmidt's age) that he never recovered from.

He was able to do as well as he could because his BB/9 was so low (consistently 2's, often low 2's) and his HR rate was very low, in 0.4-0.7 range and his H/9 was very very low.  Cain has the low H/9 but much higher BB/9 (except for recently) and HR/9.

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 15, 2006 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
I've always thought that Scott Sanderson should've been given this start.  Never have understood why Dusty kept going to Torres, but then again, I was out of the country and had very limited access to any info.

My most vivid memory is of tuning in to Voice of America to get the score of the fateful Sunday 10/3/93 game.  It was around 5 pm Monday afternoon (in Asia), and I was sitting there with another expat friend and his wife.  Naturally they were from Atlanta and were big Braves fans. Oh well, at least they weren't Dodger fans.  At the appointed hour, the VOA sports report came on, the awful tale was told and it was crushing.  Good times.

Anyway, here are the Giants' starting pitchers down the stretch--the last 10 games of '93--and how they fared.

  • 9/24 SD (W) Sanderson, 5.2 IP - 3 ER
  • 9/25 SD (W) Torres, 8.0 IP - 0 ER
  • 9/26 SD (W) Swift, 8.0 IP - 1 ER
  • 9/27 SD (W) Burkett, 7.1 IP - 4 ER
  • 9/28 CO (W) Hickerson, 5.0 IP - 0 ER
  • 9/29 CO (L) Torres, 2.2 IP - 4 ER
  • 9/30 LA (W) Swift, 7.0 IP - 1 ER
  • 10/1 LA (W) Burkett, 5.0 IP - 3 ER
  • 10/2 LA (W) Hickerson, 2.0 IP - 2 ER (followed by Brantley, 4.0 IP - 0 ER)
  • 10/3 LA (L) Torres, 3.1 IP - 3 ER
Torres did not have it this day, to say the least, but he didn't pitch nearly as poorly as Burba (1.1 IP, 3 BB, 4 ER) and Righetti (0.1 IP 4 ER).

OK, I know I'm going to probably be drawn and quartered for saying this, but I've never quite understood all the rancor towards Torres.  Some of it, without question...but not all of it.  The guy was young--he was immature--but he actually gave the Giants some good starts down the stretch.  It was just those last two....

But again, why did Dusty think Torres would be equal to the task of starting this last game?  I've never understood this.  Sanderson was a veteran, had pitched well (better than Deshaies, IMO) and ostensibly would've been better suited to handle the pressure of this game.
Sanderson * 48.1 IP / 48 H / 7 BB / 36 SO / 4-2 / 3.51 ERA
Deshaies * 17.0 IP / 24 H / 6 BB / 5 SO / 2-2 / 4.24 ERA

I wondered if maybe Sanderson was injured, but I notice he threw a scoreless, hitless inning that day just before giving way to Righetti.

Maybe someone can clue me in to some info of which I've heretofore been unaware.  Until then, I'll offer up a belated "FREE SCOTT SANDERSON!!"

Just when I thought that I was out, they pull me back in.

by tobias on Sep 15, 2006 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Totally agree. It was Burba who got my rancor. They were down 3-1 when Torres left. Nothing terrible about that. But the veteran bullpen got shelled. That killed us.  Of course, part of it is cumulative. I believe Torres lost their last 4 games.

by Roger on Sep 18, 2006 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Cain had been very highly rated even before coming out of High School (in fact, he was one of those helium prospects who moves to a different state specifically to attend a school with a premier prospect-building baseball program). After the 2004 season he was generally considered the #2 RHP prospect in the minors. And his PCL ERA wasn't held against him because of the hitter-friendly conditions around the league (and particularly the homer friendly conditions).

by Roger on Sep 18, 2006 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hijack
Not that I want to hijack so early.. but what is the best outcome from SoCal this weekend?  I think 2-2, with a couple of loooooong extra inning games to use bullpens.

 The Padres don't have a day off left.  The blues have last Monday of the season.  With 2-2, its on the Giants to do something (oh, dear), but at least the other two only tread.  Since we are equally behind in the loss column, I can't think of any better solution.

Anone?

by SmokinZBT on Sep 15, 2006 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hijack
Lots of anyones over in the Dodgers vs. Padres diary.
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2006 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hijack
No, probably the best case is a Dodgers sweep. If that happens, we'll make up between 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 games on the Pads...we'll either be tied or ahead of them. I'm not worried about the Phils and Fins...and it would actually be good for us to face the Dodgers on the final weekend where they might be resting regulars having already clinched the division the night before.

by TimSchultz on Sep 15, 2006 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
The reason Cain blasted through the system is that he was posting high K, low HR numbers in Double A at the age of 20. Repeat: 20 years old. He was posting above-league average numbers, and high K rates, as one of the youngest starting pitchers in Double A. That and his tools has had him rated as an A prospect for a long time.

by TimSchultz on Sep 15, 2006 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Not sure if it has been mentioned.. but Cain already had 5 starts this year in which he's allowed only 1 hit.  Is there anyone in baseball you'd rather bet on to throw the next no hitter? Before you say Johan Santana, compare his post-ASB stats to Cain's.

There's a lot of fun you can have right now with Cain's stats.

by mxmob33 on Sep 15, 2006 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
I got Cain down for ten career no-hitters.

While I'm at it, I've pencilled myself in for TWO Super Lotto jackpots, too.

by Skaldheim on Sep 15, 2006 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
After I win my first Super Lotto jackpot, I won't have time to buy any more tickets. Instead I'll be busy with "Two chicks at the same time".

by mxmob33 on Sep 15, 2006 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll play the straight man
C'mon, mxmob... not all chicks dig a dude with money.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Sep 15, 2006 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

like the lady once said:
"I can marry a man with money. I can marry a man without money. I prefer to marry a man with money".

by wilriv21 on Sep 15, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: like the lady once said:
We Wil Never Let Wil Forget (Not that he wants to right now anyway)
"Two Asian Chicks..."
Let's get Mikey to eat it. He won't eat it,he hates everything. He likes it! Hey Mikey!

by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2006 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'll play the straight man
The kind of chicks that would double down on a dude like him do.
I've grown up a lot since before dinner, when we last talked.

by groug on Sep 15, 2006 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hammaker
Am I the only one who completely forgot he pitched for the White Sox in '95?  So weird.

by dangjackson on Sep 15, 2006 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Any word on how Linecum is moving through the minors.  The thought of a 1-2 punch under the age of 24 (give him a couple years) just is the best thing I've heard Giants related in the past two seasons.  Cain has shown he can be the best pitcher in the game.  We just need to pay close attention to these last few starts he gets, and then how he comes out next year.  We all remember Shawn Estes' sophomore slump.

by my1gorilla on Sep 15, 2006 12:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Cain/Lincecum   Marichal/Perry        
Cain Lincecum   Marichal/Perry
Cain/Lincecum   Marichal/Perry

sounds so good

by wilriv21 on Sep 15, 2006 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Don't forgetta Sanchez!
Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 15, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Big 3
Cain/Lincecum/Sanchez     Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine

sounds sooooooo good

could never forget about Sanchez.  He is my favorite Gigante for ethnic reasons - we both are Puerto Rican

by wilriv21 on Sep 15, 2006 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next year
Cain and Sanchez, and pray for rain.

(Kuip actually said it that way during a postgame wrap.)

by hometownboy on Sep 16, 2006 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Next year
Kuip doesn't know how to rhyme? Sad.
Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle on Sep 16, 2006 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Is Cain our 2007 opening day starter?
We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 15, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
he can earn it with a great spring

by wilriv21 on Sep 15, 2006 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
The question may hinge on whether or not the Giants re-sign Schmidt. If so, I think that it can be safely said that he'd get the nod (assuming he's healthy.)

But, my main point in posting that question, really is whether or not the Giants front office and manager (whoever it may be) will consider Cain a top of the rotation guy next year going into spring training. If so, the question won't be whether he's a top of the rotation guy because they didn't re-sign Schmidt, but whether they don't re-sign Schmidt because Cain is the going to be the man at the top of the rotation.

If so, it could make for a very interesting offseason. If they think that Cain is the man starting next year, then they won't feel the need to overpay for a Schmidt or Zito/premium FA and may settle for Lilly-type cheaper-FA.

the rotation could then look like:
Cain
Morris
Free Agent (like a Ted Lilly)
Lowry
Sanchez/Hennessy/Wright/Corriea committee

they may be a lot to put on a youngster like Cain, but then again there aren't too many youngsters like Cain who don't act like youngsters.

We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 15, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Nostock, I think you may be right. Cain's emergence here near the end of the season might be the tipping point in the decision to let Schmidt walk or not. And as a corollary point, if the Giants brass believes Lincecum might be able to help by the middle of next season, then starting the year with a rotation of

Morris (out of deference)
Cain (true ace)
Lowry
Ted Lilly or similar FA
Sanchez

 wouldn't surprise me IF they spent the available money on a worthwhile hitter. And as everyone has pointed out, the FA pickings are slim this winter. Lee's age and slowness concern me, although he can certainly pile up the RBIs. Soriano is such a wild card, I don't know what to think about such a free swinger. I'd hope we try to attract Aramis Ramirez if he opts out of Chicago's quagmire - and that would make me feel much better about letting Schmidt go.

As I've said repeatedly here: mortgage the farm and hock the jewelry - the babyfaced wunderkind is the real deal.

Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle on Sep 16, 2006 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Unparalled in Giants history, perhaps. I'd say that thus far Cain has one very good recent comp. Matt Cain (this season, projected totals) v. Jeremy Bonderman (2004-age 21 season).

               GS     IP    H     K    BB    ERA   BAA    HR   BB/9   K/9   GB/FB
Cain          30   186   143   176   84   3.75   .208   16   4.1    8.5   .79
Bonderman 32   184   168   168   73   4.89   .242   24   3.6    8.2   1.44

That's an eerily close season, especially if you focus on the peripherals. Cain's apparent ability to keep the ball in the yard a bit better than the age-21 Bonderman is likely due more to luck than anything else, as Cain is an extreme flyball pitcher relative to Bonderman.

I'd be very happy to see Cain develop along the lines of Bonderman, particularly with regards to Bonderman's steadily improving control. He wouldn't be a Cy Young candidate right away, but he'd be very good pitcher, and still just 23.

by Tom S on Sep 15, 2006 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
How does Jered Weaver compare?  Or is he a year older?

Part of the HR thingy is AT&T has historically dampened HR hitting, so that contributes to Cain doing that, but then again, Detroit's stadium is an extreme pitcher's park - hence his numbers are actually worse than they appear - whereas AT&T the past two years have been neutral at best or a hitters park by other measures.

Given how well Cain is pitching right now, at the end of the year when everyone should have a book on him, why wouldn't he be a Cy Young candidate right away?

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 15, 2006 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Hard to compare Weaver - he's 23 and has only pitched a little more than half as much as Cain, so the sample size isn't quite as meaningful.

The park factor difference isn't as big as you might think. Pac Bell/SB/ATT has played essentially neutral over the last three years, whereas Comerica has been a bit of a pitcher's park.
      ATT    Comerica
2003  98/98    98/98
2004 103/103   96/97
2005  99/100   95/95

The difference hasn't been huge.

I'm not saying he won't be a Cy Young candidate right away, I'm just keeping my expectations a bit in check so that I won't be disappointed if he's not a Cy Young candidate right away.  Given all that can happen to young pitchers, I would be quite happy with Bonderman-like development. Look at Felix Hernandez this year versus last. I think he's developing pretty nicely and handling the league nicely for a 20 year old, but expectations of him became seriously overblown after half a season of dominance last year. I don't want to set the bar so high for Cain that he'll be considered a failure if he's anything shy of Tom Seaver next year.

by Tom S on Sep 15, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Didn't know Weaver was "that" old, I just assumed he was only 21, 22 tops, particularly since he held out and everything, you don't have that leverage normally as a senior in college (or is my math on him wrong?).

Thanks for the numbers.  Still, for a 4.50 ERA pitcher at AT&T, it would drop 7% to 4.19;  a 5.00 ERA would drop to 4.65; a 4.00 ERA would drop to 3.72.

I guess I'm kind of odd, I can accept that I'm hoping for a Cy Young type of performance but as long as he develops then I won't be disappointed; he would have to regress, like Lowry this season, to disappoint me.  That is, I can acknowledge his potential understanding that there's a learning curve and development time that might still be necessary.  Hence I would expect an improvement over this season but feel that there is the potential for Cy Young once he puts it all together.

Ehhh, my word choice has been poor this year, it's been a rough year, hope I'm being clear enough here.

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 15, 2006 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The Time Stamp
I just noticed the time stamp says 3:11 PM PDT and yet my clock says 1:19 PM PST.  That must really be EDT but is being mislabeled as PDT.  

Or is Grant just a time traveller visiting us a few hours ahead of his time?  Sounds like a movie, you can get Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock and, naw, no one would ever believe that...

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 15, 2006 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: The Time Stamp
I vote for either Time Traveler or lacking the knowledge on how to change the clock.

by Nick Schulte on Sep 15, 2006 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: The Time Stamp
FYI, I set my preferences in my profile to Nome Time and the times on postings is now correct for PDT.
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since we're Cain fluffing...
Isn't it reasonable to think he has quite a bit of projection left in him? A 21 yr old prospect can be expected to gain a few mph on the FB, improve their breaking stuff, and improve location.

by mxmob33 on Sep 15, 2006 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
As a noted blog personality, Grant, you would be useful in rounding up workers for Cain's flame-throwing mines.

Kent Brockman at his best.

And yes, Cain resembles perfectly the picture of the ant-lord taped behind the news desk.

by tdenevi on Sep 15, 2006 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tortilla thing is a total hoax.
I blew up the image and you know what? It's not even  Cain. That's Matt Herges on that tortilla!
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2006 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
At 30-plus innings, has Cain set the Giants record for a consecutive scoreless streak?

by biff pocoroba on Sep 15, 2006 3:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Good question:  According to my media guide, the SF Giants record is held by Gaylord Perry with 40 consecutive scoreless innings, set in 1970.  The franchise record is 46.1 consecutive scoreless innings, set by Carl Hubbell in 1933, he of screwball fame.

However, looking over his game stats, I think the unearned run spoiled his scoreless inning streak, so he "only" has 17.2 consecutive scoreless innings pitched.  

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 15, 2006 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Best Giants pitching streak ever is still Jim Barr retiring 41 consecutive batters.

by Roger on Sep 18, 2006 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
This way lies Mattness

by NearestNorwich on Sep 15, 2006 7:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Cain
Some wicked fastball this way comes.
Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle on Sep 16, 2006 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fly balls
I wonder whether the large number of fly balls Cain gives up will come back to haunt him. Most fly-ball pitchers are considered prone to the home run, but Cain hasn't really given up too many homers.

Is that because his stuff is so good that people aren't hitting the ball well? Or is it because he's lucky?

His walk rate is a little high, too, but I think that will come down with experience.

Also, I love Matt Cain.

by Dan from NM on Sep 15, 2006 7:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Fly balls
Good point!  Research has shown that pitchers tend to give up 10% HR per FB and Cain has been at 5.9% last season and 6.7% this season, way under.  Or at least Sabers are treating this as an accepted fact, so they would expect him to fall back to the mean at some point.

The more I hear about this "stuff" though, I wonder how uniformly true that 10% is the mean that every pitcher falls back to.

As someone noted somewhere here, once he figured things out, his walk rate has been in the low 2's.

I love him too, I'll wrassle you for him!  :^)

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 15, 2006 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batters mutter this in a slow walk to the dugout
"Cain throws so hard, the ball looks like an aspirin."

Also:

"Cain throws so hard, the ball comes across the plate looking like a tortilla shot from a cannon, with an image of Abraham Lincoln etched on it."

by Moggeee on Sep 16, 2006 10:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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