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Felipe's nonchalance about losing streak is disgusting.

This from today's chronicle:  

"As for the losing streak, Felipe professes not to be fazed by it. `It's happened before,' he said, `I know a man  on the other side who lost 21.'"

So, what, 9 losses in a row is no big deal because people have had longer losing streaks in the past???????    How senile is this guy???  That's like saying you don't mind eating a pile of shit because someone else has eaten a bigger pile of shit in the past. I think Flippy  is just incapable of laying into his team no matter how bad they're playing.  I tell you one thing, though (and I doubt many of you disagree), the time for blind optimism is long, long gone.

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Re: Felipe's nonchalance about losing streak is di
Yep.  The man just does not seem the least bit passionate about his job. He needs to go.  

by pme on Aug 2, 2006 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what do you want him to say?
Felipe: "<sob> I can't believe we lost nine @#@@( games in a row!  It's because my team consists completely of (2*!)!)@# sons of @!U(!@(@! @U@&@(@ @@@  @@ )who engage in @(@(!@(@##"  

Felipe has plenty of flaws worthy of criticism.  Are we now going to crucify him for the platitudes he feeds the media?  Every public figure, particularly in sports, must be as bland and naive to the media as possible lest they become embroiled in controversy.  

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Aug 2, 2006 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: what do you want him to say?
Kenshin1: The Devil's Advocate.

Don't get me wrong, though. I saw that movie. In the end he'll make the right choice and not have sex with his sister.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2006 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

she's...
super hot though
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Aug 2, 2006 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's to say
that was the right choice?
I use my hand, to wipe my tears. And I blame Saybean.

by McPeePee on Aug 2, 2006 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: what do you want him to say?
He can give these comments to the media without sounding like he could care less about the fate of  the team.  Even the standard "we're really struggling and are trying our best to right the ship" would be fine. These defiant, ho-hum quotes really get my blood boiling.

by ololo3 on Aug 2, 2006 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: what do you want him to say?
Felipe has plenty of flaws worthy of criticism.  Are we now going to crucify him for the platitudes he feeds the media?

Yes.  I vote we criticize Felipe for all his flaws, and then we attribute a few bonus flaws to him, just because.

Forget Bonds--indict Felipe.

by tobias on Aug 2, 2006 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: what do you want him to say?
I saw him on the street one day and he kicked my dog!

At least, he would have, if I had a dog. And if I actually saw him on the street.

I ask you, what kind of guy kicks dogs that don't even exist?

"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 2, 2006 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: what do you want him to say?
Didn't your dog say the Giants were full of brain-dead Carribeans hacking at slop?
I've grown up a lot since before dinner, when we last talked.

by groug on Aug 2, 2006 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: what do you want him to say?
No, the imaginary dog had peed on the imaginary wheels of the imaginary golfcart Felipe was driving on the 101.

by Moggeee on Aug 3, 2006 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Felipe's nonchalance about losing streak is di
I think a caller before me on the 680 call in show last night had it right.  He's managing like he's got one foot, not in a grave, but in that god-dammed fishing boat of his.  

(If anyone is wondering, I was one of the many calling for Sabean's immediate removal and made the witty comment about Stanton lowering the avg. age of the team.)

DFA Alou the Elder !

by PacBellBoozer on Aug 2, 2006 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually blind optimism would be welcome...
...if it had some conviction behind it. It's the utter ambivalence that's so hard to take. Basically Felipe sounds like he just can't wait to start fishing season.
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 2, 2006 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Felipe's nonchalance about
Scary part is that 21 game losing streak was the stake in the heart of one of the great organizations in baseball and the beginning of 20 years of almost unbroken mediocrity in Baltimore.  It's not as if it was inconsequential occurance.

by Roger on Aug 2, 2006 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh for the love of Barry
Felipe HAS to be nonchalant about it. It's not his job to tell the fans what they want to hear. It's not even his job to speak the truth. It's his job to keep the team on an even keel, and - cliche that it is - take each game at a time.

by Salemicus on Aug 2, 2006 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Felipe's nonchalance about losing streak
When your team has lost 9 in a row, there's really nothing to say.  Don't get me wrong, I think this should be Flippy's last season, but there's a ton of better complaints to make against him.  

by orangeandblackattack on Aug 2, 2006 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when ...
A leader needs to know when the team needs a kick in the pants or to feign nonchalance.  A younger team normally needs a kick in the pants, a veteran team normally needs the soft touch, but that is not a hard and fast rule.  Obviously he feels the team needs to keep its head on straight and not get too overly worried about the losing streak.

And why not?  If everything else was the same but Benitez did his job and saved all three games, sure we're 3-6 but still only 1.5 games behind.  If he even saved 2 of 3, we're still only 2.5 games out and at .500 once again.  

So why throw a fit at that?  And he did act, they put Benitez on the spot, putting his position in question in public, then gave him a vote of confidence by declaring him the closer.  

Why?  Because they really had no choice right now.  Had Wilson done as well as he did in the minors last season, I think we would have seen him closing.  Had Accardo met the potential that we had envisioned, I think he wouldn't have been traded and would have took the closer role.  As leader, you need to make the best of your situation, however unideal it is.

The Billy Martin tandrums only work for a short while, that is why he would get results immediately and shortly after that the troops would be tired of his act and he would be gone again.  To be successful, you have to be part psychiatrist and see the big picture and what the alternatives are.  

In this case, if you the manager put up some sort of public stink, particularly if the players are playing as hard as they can, they will think you are a poser playing up to the media and showing up the players and you just lost the confidence of the players in your abilities as manager.  

However, if you play it cool, because you think the guys are pressing, hopefully that will ease the pressure a bit and they can play to their abilities instead of pressing.  They can then let their natural abilities show instead of overthinking things and reacting to things instead of just doing what comes instinctually.

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 2, 2006 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Felipe's nonchalance
Every one of Felipe's comments is designed to protect his own ass from criticism. Let's parse his comments about the closer situation. First, to paraphrase:

"I can't change the closer myself. We have to decide that as an organization."

Scenario 1: Change closer method. It works.
Felipe can say: We made the decision as an organization. I'm happy Chulk/Accardo/Hennessey/Kline is doing so well as the closer.

Scenario 2: Keep Benitez. It works.
Felipe can say: It worked out. I told you I had faith in the guy who we got to be the closer.

Scenario 3: Keep Benitez. It bombs.
Felipe can say: We made the decision as an organization. What did you expect when we don't have use our closer? (Subtext: It's Sabean's fault.)

Scenario 4: Change closer method. It bombs.
Felipe can say: We made the decision as an organization. We need to have a closer. (Subtext: I don't choose the players I'm given. None of these guys have saved games before, so how am I supposed to find a good closer?)

by David Arnott on Aug 2, 2006 2:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Felipe's nonchalance about losing streak is di
It's just too east to jump on Felipe now. Believe me, I know because I love to. Flippy's always been this way. He just doesn't get visibly excited, pretty much ever. He's not gonna Lou Pinella it on the field nor Hal McRae it in the office for the press. I'm not so much worried about what he says to the press as what he does and says with the team, which definitely leaves much to be desired. I'm convinced he'll be gone after this season anyhow.

With that said, it is very dishearting to hear these comments somewhat routinely. I think we could all do without the excuses, shoulder shrugging, and complacency that seems to be eminating from management now.

I use my hand, to wipe my tears. And I blame Saybean.

by McPeePee on Aug 2, 2006 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kill the messenger
What's disheartening isn't Felipe's reaction, it is the losing itself. There are different ways to respond to it, and all of them seem insufficient or inappropriate when the losing continues.

I am not much of a fan of Felipe's for the last couple of seasons.

But I think his mild, somehat bemused and world-weary approach to such a stinging streak is actually one of his strong points. He cares as much as we do, and to fight it Felipe possesses a reservoir of serenity to help himself -- and his team -- through times like this.

Here's the one thing to bring home: The Giants could still win the West, but they aren't very good.

by Moggeee on Aug 3, 2006 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy Phil is a phony
He got plenty excited and exacerbated over the brain dead bullshit last year.  Went on National TV. Wouldn't shut the fuck up about it for two weeks.  Messenger of Satan and such.  Nine game losing streaks are no big deal to Mr. Even Keel and some here want to excuse  his lameness?  Nice logical thinking  

Maybe if he showed such enthusiasm or taken responsibility for his own ineptness from time to time he would have a little credibility.  

He's a 2 million dollar per year fraud.  He's gone at the end of the season so good riddance to his 4 year malaise.

He blames Tomko and I blame Magowan, Alou, Morris, Benitez, El Dopo and a player to be named sooner rather than later--Shea Hindenburg

by E Ticket on Aug 2, 2006 6:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Crazy Phil is a phony
Once you're shown on tv eating nasal discharge and jamming sharp objects in your ear, your hope for credibility is pretty much shot.
I use my hand, to wipe my tears. And I blame Saybean.

by McPeePee on Aug 2, 2006 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hidden Secrets
What if no cameras were on me when I did it?

Am I doomed?

by Moggeee on Aug 3, 2006 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hidden Secrets
Yes.
I use my hand, to wipe my tears. And I blame Saybean.

by McPeePee on Aug 3, 2006 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Crazy Phil is a phony
Racism of any sort needs to be squashed down at a moment's notice whenever it rears its ugly head.  By Alou being ridiculed for reacting to it in a religious way (he is a spiritual man), it makes the racism look acceptable and it is never acceptable in any form, as far as I'm concerned.

You would feel the same way too if some stranger comes up to you unprovoked other than I happen to be standing in her desired path and she told you "gooks to go back where you came from", not knowing the rich irony that I am exactly where I came from.

Each 9 game losing streak is different.  In this case, if Benitez did his job and saved 2 or 3 of the 3 blown saves, we are only 1.5 or 2.5 games back after Tuesday, and were still only 4.5 games back and now with only one win, 3.5 games back.  What's the big fricking deal?

There should be no panic in the leader's demeanor or the troops might start to pack it in, you need to act like it's no big deal, they are vets they will straighten things out.  If you get all mad when people are working as hard as they can, particularly late in the season, they will quit on you.  

And Felipe kicks butts when he needs to, he has benched numerous players when they were not performing, something his predecessor never would have done, in fact, he would rather sit a HOT Big Cat to play a cold Snow, just because Snow is the starter.  Or Dunston over Aurilia, heck all those guys over Aurilia.  Jensen over Ainsworth.  Or play Lofton in the field and put one of the best defensive players in the game in Shinjo at DH.  

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 3, 2006 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Felipe's nonchalance about losing
I'm not sure the bosses would have been too pleased if Felipe said, "Wow, this losing streak sucks and so do we.  One more loss, and I'd say we're pretty much out of it.  I can't believe people are buying tickets to watch us.  I sure wouldn't."
One-game winning streak; woohoo!

by Goofus on Aug 3, 2006 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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