Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Clippers Need To Realize That Spurs Are The Anti-Grizzlies

Wright out, Sanchez in?

Jamey Wright could officially be history, at least as a starter ... the papers are abuzz about the possibility of pulling him from the rotation.  Stuff in the Merc and Chronicle from Wednesday.

The stories infer multiple replacment "options," but the name they zoom in on is Jonanthan Sanchez.  As we all know, he's been starting in Fresno.  I guess we can thank the Stanton deal for that.

Hennessey gets dismissed as a possiblity because his arm isn't stretched out for the job. Taschner isn't mentioned, but I'll bet the same logic applies.

Would you give the kid his chance, and if so, how long would you wait?

I'm torn.  Much as I like Sanchez, I think Hennessey deserves a shot -- call it an irrational, playground-like sense of fairness.  And while Sanchez has shown ice-water veins in the majors so far, is he ready to make it through a big-league rotation two or three times?

Wright's next turn in the rotation could conceivably be skipped, since the Giants have today off.  So the 5th spot would reappear on Saturday the 19th, if I'm doing the math right.  Against the Dodgers, no less.

This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.

Comment 54 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
I vote for Hennessey for the same reasons you mentioned.  We also need to find out once and for all whether he belongs in the 2007 rotation.

Bring Sanchez up in September.

Two-game winning streak; woohoo!

by Goofus on Aug 10, 2006 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
I don't know anything about the physiology of the body and how it can and can't handle this that or the other, like switching from starting to short relieving to starting again.

But as a fan who is willing to cut the rope with Wright, who was only a stop gap measure in my mind with the potential that we could sell high on him at the trading deadline or offseason, I would welcome Sanchez into the rotation, he has had success at the major league level and a lot of fans are eager to see how he does.

Fair, shmair, if Hennessey was striking out guys left and right while also doing everything else his stats look like, then it would be fairer if he got the first nod, but Sanchez at least is striking out a lot of guys per IP than Brad, nearly double the rate.  

How Brad can do well with such a lousy k-rate, well, I'm waiting for the wheel to fall off, few pitchers succeed with rates like that (one with the Giants before, Rueter), and I prefer the strikeout guy, John "the Count" Montefusco remains my gold standard for a pitcher (sad, I know :^):  strikeouts and more strikeouts.  Then we won't need these gold-glove infielders who can't hit and get some bombers who can hit.

Oh, peeked at his Fangraph stats and his BABIP is lower than low, it should bounce back to .300 and kill his other stat lines, particularly his high walk rate.  He's also a little low on homers as well, so that should bump up too.  Recipe for disaster.

Not that Sanchez is that much better a picture with his high walk rate and low BABIP as well, but at least he is striking out a lot.  Looking at his in-season pattern, he first struck out a lot, dipped as teams figured him out, then pushed his way back to "normal", which is a great sign that he adjusted back against the hitters.  I would just rather bet on the strikeout pitcher to do well.

Plus I hope he'll be in the rotation in 2007, 2008 at the latest, so this would be a great audition for him, like it was for Cain last season.

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 10, 2006 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
This is totally off-topic, but I was looking at the league stats the other day and got to wondering: who in the world are they going to find to give the NL Cy Young to this year? Is it within the rules to go unawarded?

by Roger on Aug 10, 2006 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
The only name that pops up in my mind is Brandon Webb, but you're right.  The NL pitchers have been pretty underwhelming this season.  Hey, maybe Schmitty will be dominant for the rest of the season and snag the award.  And then maybe I'll take my girlfriend Mischa Barton to the Bahamas in my private jet.
club ph34r - comics! rally hippo - crappier comics!

by Natto on Aug 10, 2006 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Mischa Barton is a man.
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2006 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
More precisely, a 14-year old boy.

by pme on Aug 10, 2006 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

A 14 year old boy...
With an amazingly deep voice.
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2006 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Right now; Webb. Is he hurt?

Glavine's wins and the fact that he plays for a NY team makes him a contenda.

Two-game winning streak; woohoo!

by Goofus on Aug 10, 2006 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Yeah, he's got elbow problems, worse part of the season to have it happen plus they don't have a great rotation (though it seemed like they did with us at bat...).
Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 10, 2006 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
VORP loves it some Webb... he is leading all the majors (and not just the NL) in VORP by a wide margin.

Voters usually go by W-L, ERA, and K (in that order), and Webb looks like the clear-cut favorite there as well.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Aug 10, 2006 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Someone always wins, no matter what.

Schmidt doesn't have the wins the voters like, he'll have to win each game going forward to have any chance, but with Webb injured, it is possible.  

I think Webb is the front runner now but if he's out for the rest of the season or even a month, he's probably out.  Next would be Chris Carpenter and Brad Penny.  Schmidt too if he gets the win streak.  Pedro would also need a win streak.  Carlos Zambrano will get some votes but teams who are losers normally don't get the award, he would have to win the ERA title too to win it.

Maybe they give it to Jeff Francis for having a sub-4 ERA while pitching in Colorado?  :^)

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 10, 2006 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
My vote is for Hennessey, though I would like to see the both of them + Corriea in the rotation next year. There is more than one reason for a "lousy" strikeout rate. Rueter had a poor K rate because he was a finesse lefty with below average stuff who got by on "cunning" and "savy". Hennessey has a poor K rate because he is not a strikeout pitcher, he has a nice cut and a nice sink fastball that he wants batters to hit because it'll usually get pounded into the ground. What makes Hennessey so succesful is that beyond the fact that he has good groundball stuff and good poise is that when he needs to he can muscle up a good srikeout fastball.

Don't forget that many times good groundball pitchers have more success the less they try to strikeout every batter they face...see Derek Lowe.

by Keenlow on Aug 10, 2006 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Derek Lowe's a perfect example of the lousy K rate pitcher. Sometiems folks hits em at people and sometimes he gets hammered. You're never gonna get anything like predictable production out of a Derek Lowe.

by Roger on Aug 10, 2006 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
I commented on Alou's statement yesterday.

It makes absolutely zero sense to call up Sanchez because Hennessey's not stretched out. Sanchez has started twice for Fresno - once he didn't make it out of the 2nd inning (throwing 51 pitches total) and the second he threw five innings (74 pitches). Last time Hennessey got a spot start, he went 6 innings and threw 80 pitches.

"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2006 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
My choices would be Correia, Hennessey, Wright, Kinney, Rueter, and Sanchez, in that order. I'm perfectly happy with Sanchez starting in AAA for the rest of the season.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Aug 10, 2006 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Rueter
You threw that in just to see if we were paying attention, didn't you?

by antinous on Aug 10, 2006 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Rueter
No, he didn't. I don't think you fully appreciate the man-love involved in the Pants-Woody relationship. In fact, if he were being entirely honest, he'd probably put Rueter ahead of Kinney. As would I.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 10, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The...
Pants-Woody relationship is one I think best left alone, for obvious euphemistic qualities...
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2006 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although...
..."all pants and no woody" would be a good addition to the "all hat and no cattle" family of putdowns.
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2006 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't even know anymore
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Aug 10, 2006 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
I'd like to see Hennessey get the shot as well, for the reasons that Goofus stated. Let Sanchez spend the rest of the year at AAA, then make him part of the 2007 rotation with Lowry, Cain, Morris and Sanchez. Hell, that actually looks good.

by Aadik on Aug 10, 2006 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Sanchez gets two spots in next year's rotation? Either you're really high on the kid, or you think all our other options really really suck...
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2006 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
He meant Alex Sanchez.
Mighty Casey would have taken Armando Benitez deep.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 10, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
^^^^^
Gets it. ;)

I meant Hennessey - sorry. I see our 2007 rotation as Cain, Lowry, Morris, Hennessey, and Sanchez - with Linecum up by the middle of the year or September. Its time to see if Hennessey can fulfill that role.

by Aadik on Aug 10, 2006 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see Correia...
Than anyone else.  He has been the swing man more than Hennessey has, but even going with Correia for 3, 4 innings and then going with Hennessey for 3, 4 innings wouldn't be bad either.  You're using up quite a amount of bullpen for sure, but then Wright can be in the bullpen as well.
I take it back, I do blame F.P. Santangelo and Greg Papa.

by WalrusMan on Aug 10, 2006 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: I'd rather see Correia...
What he said.  Particuarly because this season is such a lost cause, there's no use in forcing Sanchez to be a starter up here.  Let him build some confidence at his present level.  We're talking about replacing a 5th starter on a crummy team.  A Correia/Hennessey combo will do just fine, thank you.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Aug 10, 2006 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I'd rather see Correia...
Nobody ever seems to mention Correia as a potential down the line closer, but when he's throwing strikes he gets as many or more swing-throughs than anybody on the team.

by Roger on Aug 10, 2006 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I'd rather see Correia...
Agreed.  I would like the team to push him to the fro.  Either as a late inning guy or as a starter.  This team doesn't have a lot of great arms, particuarly when it comes to getting strike-outs. He is one of the few guys capable of that and he's still only 25.

They have to make up their mind about Benitez, seriously.  They should stick Chulk and Correia in the late inning roles right now.  And replce Wright with either Hennessey or Correia.  Also, I wouldn't mind them sending Wilson down to Fresno and get some closing experience.  Start audtiioning for next year's team.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Aug 10, 2006 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I'd rather see Correia...
Well, I mentioned it the other day in a thread, so I guess that makes me "nobody".

Correia might be a good closer for the reason your said, plus he seems capable of inducing a ground ball on occasion.  Being able to get both Ks and GIDPs is nice from your closer.

Two-game winning streak; woohoo!

by Goofus on Aug 10, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait...
Who said that?
I take it back, I do blame F.P. Santangelo and Greg Papa.

by WalrusMan on Aug 10, 2006 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wait...
Don't be alarmed. It was just the wind.
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2006 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I'd rather see Correia...
Ah, sorry, must have missed it.  On the other hand, "My Name is Nobody" was a great film.

by Roger on Aug 11, 2006 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I'd rather see Correia...
That's because Correia was tried in that role sometime last season and did not take to it, either performance-wise or mentally.  He wants to start - period.
Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 11, 2006 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: I'd rather see Correia...
You're using up quite a amount of bullpen for sure

...but since when has that bothered Felipe?

"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

let sanchez learn in AAA
give it to henn or correia.  It don't matter.  As stated above, this season is a lost cause.  Let the kid mature in the minors and call him up in september.
2002? I'm over it.

by wjackalope on Aug 10, 2006 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
I think Correira has a better shot at being successful as a starting pitcher than Hennessey. Correira just has better stuff between the two. I do think Wright needs to be replaced, he just isn't much and is showing why he's a journeyman.

As for Sanchez, I'd rather wait until next month to call him up to start any games so he can get more starts in the minors first.

by BarryR on Aug 10, 2006 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
I disagree.  I think Correia is a much better fit for bullpen work.  His fastball/slider combo is effective in short spurts, but isn't enough to carry a couple times through the lineup.  I think Correia is geared towards being a seventh or eighth inning guy, where Hennessey is a better fit as a starting pitcher.  I don't think either of them have near as much ceiling as Sanchez in a starting role, but Hennessey is likely to have more success as a back of the rotation guy than Correia.
"San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina" - Ron Burgundy

by W8ingForATitle on Aug 10, 2006 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone tell me if my math is wrong
  1. Both Sanchez and Hennessey were in the bullpen for an extended period of time.
  2. Hennessey is the long-reliever/emergency starter.
  3. Sanchez was mostly a one-inning guy.
Thus,
1 + 2 + 3 = obviously Sanchez is the guy who can handle 5+ innings.

by lunaticfridge on Aug 10, 2006 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

You left one out:
4. The preference for Sanchez over Hennessey was stated by Felipe Alou, who at this point simply channels the messages beamed into his brain from Rigel 7.
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2006 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
With Hennessey we have gotten quite a few decent outings with fewer blowups than expected.  I can't tell if that is because he is maturing and getting better or whether he is just luckier this season.  I agree that Sanchez should receive more seasoning at AAA, but wouldn't be terribly disappointed if the Giants brought him up.  I think Wright needs to go to the pen.  

by APGiantsFan on Aug 10, 2006 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
I'm in the crowd that thinks Hennessy will just get exposed in the rotation. With the weak FA market, it would be nice if Henn still had some trade value come the off season. Correia has shown some serious potential as a reliever this year, so I'd be hesitant to take him out of that role either. Sanchez's future is a SP, and hopefully a very good one. He'd benefit most from getting some starts down the stretch this year.  

by mxmob33 on Aug 10, 2006 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Count me in, too. Keep Sanchez in AAA this year. When it's obvious we're out of it in September, give him a few ML starts.

I prefer Hennessey as the 5th starter. Maybe I agree with Keenlow. Maybe I agree with Wedge on it being the "right" thing to do. Martin, I'm just don't see strikeouts as being the deciding factor in judging a ML pitcher. But I think DrB has already argued with you on that point. And I agree with W8ting about Correia.

Next year, assuming Schmidt wants the ridiculously big bucks, I hope our starters are Cain, Lowry, Morris, Hennessey, & Sanchez. If Schmidt will accept a reasonable offer, I'd leave Sanchez in AAA to start with, then see how he does there; if he does well and one of our big 5 falters or is injured, he's the replacement.

Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 10, 2006 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
For the record I also think Hennessey is better suited for the 'pen than the rotation.  Coming out of the 'pen he is throwing much better fastballs (harder and more movement) than I have seen from him in his spot starts over the last two years.  I think he will ultimately be a solid mid to late reliever guy who can get you out of some jams with the sinker.  Between Henny and Correia, Henny is better suited for success in the rotation with the ability to change speeds more effectively.
"San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina" - Ron Burgundy

by W8ingForATitle on Aug 10, 2006 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Strikeouts is the deciding factor when you are comparing two pitchers whose stats are pretty similar in all ways except one:  Sanchez strikes out a lot and Hennessey doesn't.

Studies have shown that strikeouts matters:  the higher the strikeouts, generally, the better the ERA, particularly when combined with controlling walks and having a ratio of at least 2 times the strikeouts than walks given up.  That is what the DIPS theory is all about, what the pitcher controls, how he can show skill.

And there's a reason the strikeout king has been celebrated, from Christy Mathewson, to Walter "Big Train" Johnson, to Bob Feller, to Sandy Koufax, to Nolan Ryan, to Roger Clemens.  

Oy, back to the sig that was working better: Go Giants: Winn it all with Feliz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 11, 2006 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

the reason...
chicks dig teh strikeout?
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Aug 12, 2006 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Oh yeah, definitely send Wright to the pen. Could he close?
Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 10, 2006 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Can he play 1B?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Aug 10, 2006 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wright is only batting...
.036 worse than Hillenbrand.
I take it back, I do blame F.P. Santangelo and Greg Papa.

by WalrusMan on Aug 10, 2006 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now THAT is depressing.
"The first point is whether my brain is still operating...I'll figure that out after the season." - Felipe Alou

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2006 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
What is all the infatuation with the strikeout.  Hey it is great with a runner on third and less than two outs but after that it is overrated.

You can have all the fellas who pitch 95+ and strike out about a batter per inning - I will take the fella who rolls up wins or at least keeps his club in the game.

And who came up with the term QUALITY START as a pitcher going at least 6 innings allowing 3 runs or fewer?  Was it Scott Boras?

by wilriv21 on Aug 10, 2006 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
SABRMETRICS my friend. Learn to love the strikeout. It is sweeping the nation (not San Francisco though, apparently).

Quality shit

I use my hand, to wipe my tears. And I blame Saybean.

by McPeePee on Aug 10, 2006 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Wright out, Sanchez in?
Dude,
where are you getting your "analysis" from ? You sound like every old-time cliche rolled together.

by Aadik on Aug 10, 2006 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about San Francisco Giants.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Buster Posey, the 4 hole, and the bottom
California-state-flag_small
Melky Cabrera Contract Offer?
Small
Alternate Post Game Thread - Matt Cain's Batting Average
Myspoonistoobig_small
Craig Robinson's The Rotation in D3
Squarelogo_small
minor lines, 5/11/12
Indieangel_small
Baseball Rock Poster Art and music: Free!
Christy_mathewson_baseball_small
Keystone Cops - With Poll
Squarelogo_small
minor lines, 5/10/12
Dsc01731_small
Seeking local advice
Small
Jonny Moseley at Dodger Stadium

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Manager

174246766_ea2fd78204_small Grant Brisbee

Moderators

Sbzito_small Natto

Fawlty_small WalrusMan

Goofus_small Goofus

Howtheyscoredcat_small howtheyscored

Det_7193_small jponry

Authors

09_small JT Jordan

Small steve S

E6dmccicon_small Every6thDay