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Fly in the Kool-Aid

There's a good diary to your right asking how long the Giants should stick with Tim Worrell. My plan before I read it was to ask how long we should stick with Lance Niekro. I almost dropped it to defer to the Worrell question. But while it might be the same question, it's regarding a different player with much different circumstances. So allow me to torment you with another expose on a struggling player.

Difference #1: The Giants are committed for over a million dollars to Worrell's 2007 season. Niekro has yet to receive a substantial arbitration payday. That makes a small difference, but shouldn't be a deciding factor either way.

Difference #2: The Giants have replacements for Worrell. Jack Taschner, Brian Wilson, Carlos Hines...there are several warm bodies who could be just as effective in giving up home runs. The Giants went with a Niekro or Bust philosophy before the season, and really don't have a back-up plan. Culling through AAA rosters, there aren't many teams who do. Hee Seop Choi and Carlos Pena are hardly tearing up AAA, and there certainly aren't any vintage Roberto Petagines waiting to be dusted off. There is an actual Roberto Petagine still alive in captivity - 13 AB since May 4, 0 hits for Seattle - but he hasn't been the answer for a couple of years now.

However, I'm tired of watching Niekro as an everyday player. The strikeouts are way down, and the walks are slightly up, but everything else is dreadful. He's not hitting left-handers as he did last year (sample-size caveats apply to both seasons), and his power has almost vanished. My moment of clarity came with yesterday's game-ending double play. His insistence on pulling every pitch results in an endless fountain of ground balls. His bases-clearing triple on Monday was a beautiful piece of hitting - the count was worked full, and the swing went with the pitch - but it seems like the exception, and certainly not the rule.

With Worrell, I'm not as worried. Bullpen veterans don't seem to be held to the same standard as the rest of the Giants. Matt Herges, Jim Brower, and Jeff Fassero all received the same inglorious sendoff, and I don't think Worrell is immune. Jeremy Accardo's ascension has lessened Worrell's role, so a replacement wouldn't have to pick up the crucial innings of a setup man.

Niekro is a trickier situation. While the at-bats and outs are piling up, it is still too early to cut bait without a substantially better option. The Giants aren't going to trade for a minor-league veteran doing okay in AAA, hoping some modern-day Damon Minor is going to save the day. There also aren't substantial upgrades on major league rosters. Craig Wilson's at-bats are limited by Sean Casey's return, but he's little more than a rich man's Niekro with a lesser glove; a platoon player, although a very good one, isn't something to dish out talent for. Everyone else is either a) still in contention, b) trusting a first baseman both cheap and young, c) enjoying a first baseman making scads of money for the next thirty years, or d) the Royals.

Niekro provides a good glove, and the teeniest of hopes that he can at least bring his slugging percentage up to where it was last season. I don't trust him, I'm not holding my breath for an improvement, but there isn't much choice. There aren't any quick fixes, and that's a shame. I love quick fixes. So if anyone does have a quick fix, I'd love to hear it. Especially if it involves the Giants getting Nick Johnson for Brad Hennessey, because that's Kool-Aid worth drinking.

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Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
The same thing I've been saying and now The Press agrees with me or something: Play Sween Dog more often until Lance gets it going with the offense. How many mistakes has Sweeney made at first? Just play the guy! Niekro can PH and then Alou and crew can see if he will ever get a hit.

by tk on Jun 8, 2006 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Yeah, there's a lot of talk about giving up prospects for a Hillenbrand or a Wilson or a Floyd or someone. Meanwhile, we have a first baseman on the bench who had an .885 OPS in 2004, an .861 OPS in 2005, and is putting up .301/.333/.548/.882 vs. righties this year.

It's all to easy for me to imagine us trading a top prospect to rent a first baseman who is not as good of a hitter as Mark Sweeney.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 8, 2006 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

howdy
I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night, and I feel like a freaking moron. Somehow I equated "Express" with "inexpensive," especially since there are also presumably even pricier Holiday Inn "Select"'s. But it was $80+, thankfully somewhat less because of my AAA membership. What happened to hotel prices? Why are Motel 6's $44.99 in Roseburg, Oregon? Aren't they constitutionally mandated to be $19.99 a night?

Took a little sojourn away from the Bay and I see Niekro did not magically become Lou Gehrig in the past 2 weeks. Well, I guess we all knew this might happen in the offseason. It's especially bad that he's not even hitting lefties. Nick Johnson for Brad Hennessey -- get 'er dun, Mr. Sabean.

by non sequitur on Jun 8, 2006 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Where's the Big Gato???
"Why you gotta be cardin' my hos?" - Charlie Hayes

by stevieg on Jun 8, 2006 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I've got him on the horn right now.
"Nobody told me, I found out for myself. You gotta believe in foolish miracles" - OZZY OZBOURNE

by Brian Sabean on Jun 8, 2006 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
But Niekro's clutch. Give him that, at least.
We're going to win the World Series.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 8, 2006 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I know it's probably foolish, but I'm a Neikro-ite. I like the kid. I think he fell into a big rookie slump last year because as the All Star Break came around and the Giants were looking to show of Snow as trade bait his at bats became so infrequent and inconsistent that his swing fell apart and he couldn't get into any sort of rhythm against major league pitching. Vets can take time off and comem back strong. I'm a firm believer that young guys, and especially rooks, need to be in the lineup regularly to figure out the new level. He started to get his swing worked out right before he got hurt and he's been up and down since.

I think he had awful coaching in the minors and came up with negative discipline at the plate. I also think that in a very short time he has reversed a lot of the awful habits that years of non-coaching had bred in him, and that his capability to relearn hitting and his work ethic toward becoming a better hitter are both encouraging.

I also think he's probably a .260-.270 hitter with middle of the road power who is just a month or two away from hitting that stride right now and that that could very well be the best we can hope for out of him in the long run.

But the fact that he works so hard at hitting, that we've seen him have a few really nice tears over the last year, and that he's just so damn likeable makes me believe that he can hit in the .285-.295 range with decent power and that's what keeps me optimistic about him.

I don't know... years of watching Feliz swing at the first pitch curve and the offspeed pitch in the dirt with two strikes makes me want to see the guy who is actually working hard at fixing his hitting problems succeed. Plus he's got a good glove.

Still, I wouldn't shed tears to see a platoon with Ish next year, and I don't cry when Sweeners gets the start every few days.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I couldn't have said it better...
"What, are we even trying today?" - Mark Sweeney, on seeing his name in the starting lineup

by EliminateMe on Jun 8, 2006 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

remember...
it goes "puff, puff, pass" guys ;-)
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 8, 2006 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think...
...it's getting passed to you, dude, you got another think coming...
"What, are we even trying today?" - Mark Sweeney, on seeing his name in the starting lineup

by EliminateMe on Jun 8, 2006 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Only on the Giants does 27 qualify you as a kid.

by Roger on Jun 8, 2006 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
He's more due to get hurt than go on another tear.  I think he might be made of glass.
"Why you gotta be cardin' my hos?" - Charlie Hayes

by stevieg on Jun 8, 2006 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Disturbing stat on Worrel:

Time Worrel: 7 HRA, 15 IP
Matt Cain: 9 HRA, 60 IP

And to think we were worried about the power numbers against Matty.

I'm tired of Worrel. His numbers from last year weren't a fluke. He's done and our young arms were doing better. I mean, Wilson throws 95+ strike out stuff. He throws it like he's wearing a blindfold, but it's there. And Tasch can be an effective arm in the middle innings.

But I'm not worried about this. I don't think they'll try to wait Worrel out much longer.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Oh, is it two Ls? Go figure.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Yes, please, especially since a trade for Adam Kennedy was being talked about! He's not a superstar, but he'd be a definite, immediate upgrade, and if it doesn't take much to get him, I say the sooner the better...

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 8, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
WTF... when did Shea Freakin' Hillebrand become a good hitter???  I don't buy it.  Swapping Niekro for him would be trading a bad stread for a good streak.

by zenbitz on Jun 8, 2006 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I'm not measuring him against the league, I'm measuring him against Niekro. I wouldn't want him as a long-term solution by any means, as his career numbers are nothing special, especially for a corner infielder, but if Niekro doesn't look like he's going to pan out, it might be worth picking up someone like Hillenbrand...

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 8, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I'd rather sink with Niekro then trade for Hillenbrand, then sink.
"Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?" Mark McGwire

by MeSoKrabby on Jun 8, 2006 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
  1. Quick sorta fix: Steve Finley?
  2. Craig Wilson is little more than a rich man's Niekro?  Wilson has a career OPS of .850 and a career EqA of .287.  He's a very solid player.

by Fog City Blues on Jun 8, 2006 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Dear Grant:
Lay off the mind reading.  I was thinking of starting a Neikro diary and had decided that Craig Wilson would be the best target to replace him.

Wilson only makes $3.5 million and his contract is up at the season.

I agree with Doug, he is much better than a bon vivant version of Neikro.  Wilson has a career 120 OPS+.  He absolutely tatoos lefties, but is still decent vs. righties.

But Grant, lay off the wacky tabacy, Hennessey wouldn't fetch you Wilson, let alone Nick Johnson.  But I think you could obtain Wilson for Lowry, whom I beleive is expendable, with Hennessey and Corraie pitching well.  You could throw in Niekro for all I care.

by GiantJim on Jun 8, 2006 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Dear Grant:
Wilson for Lowry would make me cry.

Hennessey for Johnson was very, very tongue-in-cheek.

Hennessey for Wilson might not be, though. Even with a lot of teams after Wilson, he really isn't going to fetch a king's ransom. Hennessey or Correia, and throw in a mediocre prospect or two. I wouldn't be opposed to that.

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 8, 2006 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dear GiantJim,
OMG!!!!!1!11111!!!! We heart Noah Lowry.  YOU R TEH STUPID!
sincerely,
The 7th and 8th grade girls of Mercy High School
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 8, 2006 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Dear GiantJim,
Having attended Lowell, I can vouch for the lustfulness of those Mercy girls.

by seyheystretch on Jun 8, 2006 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

apologies...
to lefty for stealing his material.  Rest assured, it will happen again.
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 8, 2006 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dear kenshin1,
Mercy goes from 9th grade to 12th, AFAICT.  Signed, another Lowell grad.

by hometownboy on Jun 8, 2006 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

errr....
yeah...I didn't do very indepth research. I just searched SF highschool :-)
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 9, 2006 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: errr....
I'm disappointed.  I thought you were all about details, man.  (I am also a Lowell alum.)
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by Natto on Jun 9, 2006 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dear GiantJim
I know, with JT ("will you go to first base with me?") Snow and Foppy Foppert gone, the lusty fever of the pre-adolecent girls have only Noah left to droll over.  But I think he is the one expendable Giant who could fetch anything worthwhile.  I don't think GMs would buy Grant's Koolaid about Correia or Hennessey fetching an above average everyday 1st baseman.

by GiantJim on Jun 8, 2006 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I think it's too early to cut bait on Niekro, and that the trend toward increased plate discipline bodes well.  The transformation isn't going to occur overnight, but if he's able to cut down on the hacking at slop, I hold out some hope that he can learn not to roll everything over to the left side of the infield.

I'm new, be gentle.

by dmunk on Jun 8, 2006 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Gentleness
is not the McC way.
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by Natto on Jun 8, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I really want the Giants to get in the Wilson bidding - he's practically a baby by Giants standards, and would provide a 2 or 3 win improvement over the slop the Giants have at 1b.

by Aadik on Jun 8, 2006 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Why not me? Why NOT me?
I can't hit or field.  I'm pretty fast though.  Plus I'm 5'6", so I've got a real small strike zone, and I'm game for some HBPs.  And I'm just such a likeable guy -- really, you can even ask my mother.    

by ilykeitlykedat on Jun 8, 2006 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Why not me? Why NOT me?
We'll start you out in AAA, but you've got to be willing to take work at both the corners and probably outfield, too.

If you promise to crouch really low in your stance, really throw your shoulder into those inside pitches, and always wait on the first pitch, I'm thinking we'll see you in the bigs by September!

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by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Why not me? Why NOT me?
But by next week we'll probably want to move you to the bullpen.

by Roger on Jun 8, 2006 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I've been mulling the past few days;
A three-way trade.

Benitez to the Braves. Wilson or (Casey+cash) to the Giants. Prospect from the Braves to the Pirates.

Braves need bullpen help. Braves can afford to toss out a B- prospect. Pirates have two first basemen, need prospects.

Your thoughts?

by Salemicus on Jun 8, 2006 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: What I've been mulling the past few days;
How do you pronounce your handle? Is it Salem-icus, as in Salem-Kaiser... or is it Sale-micus, as in we pay less for micus...

Or is your name Sal Emicus and it's really very straight-forward. I've been puzzled by this.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's pronounced as follows:
"Sa" like "car"
"lem" as in "lemon"
"ic" as in "icky"
"us" like "wuss"

by Salemicus on Jun 8, 2006 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...
S is a K sound?  ....hate to tell you this but S doesn't make that sound ;-)
Dancing Guy #4 turns me on.

by WalrusMan on Jun 8, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: So...
And is "a" supposed to be an "ar" sound?  

Plus this does nothing to tell us what syllable of Salemicus has the emphasis.  I've been emphasizing, in my head, the second one, and I'd hate to have been wrong, in my head, all this time.  

by ilykeitlykedat on Jun 8, 2006 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: So...
Hmm....

SAH-lem-IK-us?

Dancing Guy #4 turns me on.

by WalrusMan on Jun 8, 2006 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: So...
The voice in my head says Suh-LEM-i-KUSS.
I ate a big red candle.

by Felipe Alou on Jun 8, 2006 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: So...
Well, when it's not saying double switch, double switch, vizcaiano, double switch.

I like lamp.

I ate a big red candle.

by Felipe Alou on Jun 8, 2006 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: So...
I like Jose. He makes me feel funny. Like when I used to climb the rope in gym class.
I ate a big red candle.

by Felipe Alou on Jun 8, 2006 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: What I've been mulling the past few days;
I like it, but the Giants would probably have to kick in some cash for Benitez' 2007, and pony up a prospect for the Pirates, because the Braves wouldn't raid the farm for Armando. Not enough to get Wilson, anyways....

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 8, 2006 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think the Pirates want a lot for Wilson?
I don't. I think a B- prospect would be plenty. We'll have to see.

The other possibility is Ray Durham for Cliff Floyd.

by Salemicus on Jun 8, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: You think the Pirates want a lot for Wilson?
So our hamstring for their ankle, kidney stones, pulled muscles while sneezing, earaches from sleeping wrong, and all the other ways Floyd has to hurt himself?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: You think the Pirates want a lot for Wilson?
that, and I'm not sure another corner outfielder is that we need.
bring back alex sanchez to contaminate jose vizcaino's piss test.

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: You think the Pirates want a lot for Wilson?
I'd just rather let RayRay's contract run out and let the Frandsen era begin.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: You think the Pirates want a lot for Wilson?
Floyd can play 1B, and I would absolutely do that deal, but I seriously doubt the Mets would. At least not until Durham got his numbers up to par.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 8, 2006 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Affidavit Names - Grimsley
"
Grimsley says that a former employee of [redacted] and personal fitness trainer to several Major League Baseball players once referred him to an amphetamine source.. Later, this source provided him with "amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone." This trainer? His name is Chris Mihlfeld, a Kansas City-based "strength and conditioning guru." (And former Strength And Conditioning Coordinator for the Royals.) If you read the document, it doesn't say the trainer/Mihlfeld supplied all the HGH and what-not; it just says the trainer was the referrer. Mihlfeld.

Does Mihlfeld's name sound familiar? If it doesn't, he -- and we assure you, this gives us no pleasure to write this -- has been Albert Pujols' personal trainer since before Pujols was drafted by the Cardinals in the 13th round of the 1999 draft. We have no confirmation that Pujols' name is in the affidavit ... but Mihlfeld's is.
"

by DaveK on Jun 8, 2006 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
This merits an appearance from the ORLY owl.

orly

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
very interesting. I have always wondered why nobody even brings up the idea that maybe pooholes juiced at soem point.
Some guy on jim rome was burning raised teh idea when jim gray was hosting and jim gray reacted as if he had just called his mom a whore
bring back alex sanchez to contaminate jose vizcaino's piss test.

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why everyone loves Fat Albert
He's Bonds Light. All the power, none of the bitter aftertaste.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
I guess the real question as a Giants fan is this.  If the evidence continues to mount against Pooholes (and following along with some of the deadspin commentary and links it seems likely) is it okay to boo Pooholes mercilessly and throw syringes at him while cheering for the steroid users on our own team?  I guess I'm just curious if we are allowed the luxury that fans of the other 29 MLB teams have enjoyed, or if there will be articles written about how we are terrible, uneducated fans and Bonds apologists.
"San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina" - Ron Burgundy

by W8ingForATitle on Jun 8, 2006 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
It won't change a thing. People will still hate Bonds and call him a cheater despite evidence that others use.

But it'll be funny to watch the people who think of Pooholes as some golden baseball god totally lose their shit, if he ends up being found as a user. I have to take solace in what I can find.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
No. It's wrong to do such things for any individual player unless you're willing to do it for EVERY one that has been caught, let alone that I'd think we want to stay on the Clever side of the Clever/Classless divide and that behavior veers to Classless. The fans of the other teams don't understand the first part of this principle, which stems from the idea that absence of proof is not proof of absence. Just because Chris Truby has never been seen holding a book by Anton LaVey doesn't mean he's not a devil worshipper. Just because Jermaine Dye hasn't tested positive doesn't mean he's clean, to pick random players. I see the available evidence and think: "Wow, every professional athlete in this country is suspect. On top of that, everyone who's been caught has cheated the game and deserves scorn. Cheating is cheating. Just because Bonds and Giambi and Turnbow are better players than Yamid Haad doesn't mean that they are somehow more culpable or deserve more scorn," whereas everyone else seems to think, "Bonds is a bastard cheater and an asshole to boot! Boooo! Booooooooo!" I think the adults in the audience can think about this in a mature manner, discuss it with the children like the adults we're supposed to be, and we can all act on the Classy side of the behavior spectrum. Now, if Tommy Lasorda ever tests positive for something, that's a horse of a different color...

by David A. Arnott on Jun 8, 2006 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
I couldn't agree with you more, I just get frustrated with the hypocrisy.  I for one would like to see a couple of these media darlings get nailed to see the difference in the treatment and be able to call some of these "journalists" on the mat.
"San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina" - Ron Burgundy

by W8ingForATitle on Jun 8, 2006 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

An anagram of Chris Truby...
...is Bury Christ. I'm just saying.

Agreed, teddy. Fighting hypocrisy with more hypocrisy isn't going to accomplish much.

Although oddly enough, with the exception of the "Get him! Tear his flesh!" ugliness after he was plunked in Houston, the behavior of fans hasn't bothered me as much as the shrieking of pundits this season. When the camera pans a crowd and shows a bunch of people with their asterisks and their stupid signs... have you noticed that everyone seems to be smiling? To me, opposing fans have been somewhat hypocritical and tired, but ultimately harmless. I too have loudly criticized a few opposing left fielders in my day, even in cases when perfunctory research would have revealed that the object of my ridicule was not, in fact, a bum.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 8, 2006 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: An anagram of Chris Truby...
See, the difference between calling a guy a "bum" and holidng up asterisk banners is that we don't discriminate in calling other teams' players "bums". These people are booing Bonds primarily because he cheated, and they aren't booing the other guys who cheated. Case in point: Milwaukee fans boo Bonds relentlessly, but cheer wildly for Derrick Turnbow. Let alone my other point that they simply don't recognize that every player is suspect, even if there's no proof.

by David A. Arnott on Jun 9, 2006 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
A Google search reveals that Mihlfeld spent 1998-2002 as the Minor League Strength and Conditioning Coordinator for...the Los Angeles Dodgers.  Link

by Fog City Blues on Jun 8, 2006 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
I find this more disturbing

"Attorney Ed Novak says the feds targeted Grimsley to get at Barry Bonds.

Novak says agents tried to pressure Grimsley into wearing a wire to lure other major-league players into confidential conversations.

The ultimate goal according to Novak was securing incriminating evidence against Bonds."

Two things are clear: #1.  They have their sites on Barry and Barry alone

#2. Barry better be clean, because if this dominoes who knows who would roll on him.

#3.  They must not have very much evidence of perjury, because otherwise why would they need circumstantial evidence?  

by DaveK on Jun 8, 2006 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
all great points.
it is clear this whole thing isnt about eradicating the use of PED's but taking down barry bonds. Jeff novitsky can claim to be trying to clean up baseball, but this reiterates the idea that this is and always has been smear campaign against barry. truly troubling.
the way they detail the government's dealings with grimsley almost sounds like they are the mafia. the federal mafia.  
bring back alex sanchez to contaminate jose vizcaino's piss test.

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

1B problems
We all know Jim Bowden's history. I bleive that when the time is right <rubbing hands together> we can make a deal for Nick Johnson. It'll cost a little more than the Hillenbrand deal, bur Johnson gets on base more than Sheaand we could bat him in front og Alou next year.

I wonder if Grimsley mentioned anything about Miggy's B12 shots.

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by MeSoKrabby on Jun 8, 2006 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Pessimissm... or is it Cynicism?
I, for one, choose to wallow in the miserable worst-case scenarios, which begin and end with the Giants trading for Darin Erstad to play 1B on the theory that "he's hit for a high average and has a ring, so he must be good!"

by David A. Arnott on Jun 8, 2006 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Pessimissm... or is it Cynicism?
i think sabean doesnt want to go back to the angels for a trade for fear of giving them too much becuase he feels guilty about pwning alfonzo off on them
bring back alex sanchez to contaminate jose vizcaino's piss test.

by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Why is everyone around here so ready to let go of Hennessey?  Don't know if you noticed, but he's pitched great this year, better than any starter but Jason Schmidt, who may not be back next year.

And I say give Niekro until the all-star break.  It's too early to make a good trade, now, anyway.  Everyone still thinks they're in it.
 

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by leftyodoul on Jun 8, 2006 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
>"Why is everyone around here so ready to let go of Hennessey?"

I think it comes from the fact that he is pitching so much better than he ever has, and the belief that he won't be able to keep it up for all that long. He's pitched pretty well as a starter and very well as a reliever (with added velocity), so the theory goes that he has maximum trade value now and can be "sold high".

While I think this is likely the case, and wouldn't mind seeing him dealt as much as some other young arms in the pen (Accardo, Correia, Wilson, Sanchez), I'm also wary of the fact many people said the same thing about maxed out trade value when Joe Nathan was traded.

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 8, 2006 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I know. I was one who thought we had "sold high" on Nathan, although that was mostly due to injury concerns.

Of course, in his last year with the Giants, Nathan struck out 9.46 batters per nine innings, and had a K/BB ratio of 2.52. Hennessey is currently at 3.35 (ick) and 0.88 (shudder). His career numbers are a little better, but not much, and his minor league numbers don't point to greatness. He's finding a way to get the job done, and God bless him for it, but if he can be moved to substantially improve this team, I'm all for it.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jun 8, 2006 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
Because his success this year seems to be cobbled together out of smoke, mirrors, duct tape, chewing gum, and entirely too many bases on balls. Oh and luck, did I mention luck?
"What, are we even trying today?" - Mark Sweeney, on seeing his name in the starting lineup

by EliminateMe on Jun 8, 2006 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I agree we should relax a bit a allow Niekro to work out any bad habits - he acknowledged he was trying to hard to hit it out after his first game back and he also acknowledged that when he is hitting well he takes the ball to right center - ala the bases clearing triple.  He also got a key hit in Schmidt's win.  So lighten up on Niekro.

by APGiantsFan on Jun 8, 2006 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

67 posts...
yet no Niekroolaid pictures?

Fill me up.

"Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?" Mark McGwire

by MeSoKrabby on Jun 8, 2006 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Ohhh yeah.
"What, are we even trying today?" - Mark Sweeney, on seeing his name in the starting lineup

by EliminateMe on Jun 8, 2006 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why pick on Niekro now?
I didn't have time to read any other posts other than Grants but why no love for Niekro?

Over the past month, he is hitting .320/.358/.560/.918 with 3 homers in 50 AB, 15 RBI and playing flawless defense.  What's not to like about that?  Of course, he's been DLed again, but offensively he has been very good when he has been in there.

Lowry and Cain, then wish for more of the same

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 8, 2006 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Why pick on Niekro now?
Probably nothing other than an overreaction to a couple of double plays, really. Jus' don't trust him, either.

I really, really root for him, though. I hope he makes me look like the world's biggest idiot.

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 8, 2006 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Why pick on Niekro now?
It's the same with Feliz, Martin -- can you say with any confidence that you have an idea what's going to come off of Neikro's bat at any time?

Like Grant said, many of us don't trust him because there are many things (read: stats) that point to good hitters, and Niekro's stats in those areas are poor. We don't trust him because his approach...well, he doesn't seem to have an approach.  

He's feast or famine, he's a gamble hitter. That's great, say, coming off the bench, but when occupying a traditionally big-time offense-producing position, it isn't satisfying day-in and day-out.

Plus, watching him hit gives me the willies.

by Daniel on Jun 9, 2006 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
In today's Chron, Henry Schulman mentions the Giants should look at picking up Sean Casey, since he hits .447 in The Big Phone.

by hometownboy on Jun 9, 2006 5:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
I'm thinking Worrell, Durham and Niekro for Casey.  I'm sure the Pirates would go for that...

But seriously, Casey would be a wet dream, but very expensive.  Like most people here, I certainly wouldn't have issues with dealing Correia or Hennessey, but I definitely want the Giants to hold onto Lowry.  

As for another alternative at 1B, I kinda wouldn't mind seeing more of Ishikawa.  He was only on the team for a few days, but he definitely made an impression.

by ololo3 on Jun 9, 2006 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

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