Fly in the Kool-Aid
There's a good diary to your right asking how long the Giants should stick with Tim Worrell. My plan before I read it was to ask how long we should stick with Lance Niekro. I almost dropped it to defer to the Worrell question. But while it might be the same question, it's regarding a different player with much different circumstances. So allow me to torment you with another expose on a struggling player.
Difference #1: The Giants are committed for over a million dollars to Worrell's 2007 season. Niekro has yet to receive a substantial arbitration payday. That makes a small difference, but shouldn't be a deciding factor either way.
Difference #2: The Giants have replacements for Worrell. Jack Taschner, Brian Wilson, Carlos Hines...there are several warm bodies who could be just as effective in giving up home runs. The Giants went with a Niekro or Bust philosophy before the season, and really don't have a back-up plan. Culling through AAA rosters, there aren't many teams who do. Hee Seop Choi and Carlos Pena are hardly tearing up AAA, and there certainly aren't any vintage Roberto Petagines waiting to be dusted off. There is an actual Roberto Petagine still alive in captivity - 13 AB since May 4, 0 hits for Seattle - but he hasn't been the answer for a couple of years now.
However, I'm tired of watching Niekro as an everyday player. The strikeouts are way down, and the walks are slightly up, but everything else is dreadful. He's not hitting left-handers as he did last year (sample-size caveats apply to both seasons), and his power has almost vanished. My moment of clarity came with yesterday's game-ending double play. His insistence on pulling every pitch results in an endless fountain of ground balls. His bases-clearing triple on Monday was a beautiful piece of hitting - the count was worked full, and the swing went with the pitch - but it seems like the exception, and certainly not the rule.
With Worrell, I'm not as worried. Bullpen veterans don't seem to be held to the same standard as the rest of the Giants. Matt Herges, Jim Brower, and Jeff Fassero all received the same inglorious sendoff, and I don't think Worrell is immune. Jeremy Accardo's ascension has lessened Worrell's role, so a replacement wouldn't have to pick up the crucial innings of a setup man.
Niekro is a trickier situation. While the at-bats and outs are piling up, it is still too early to cut bait without a substantially better option. The Giants aren't going to trade for a minor-league veteran doing okay in AAA, hoping some modern-day Damon Minor is going to save the day. There also aren't substantial upgrades on major league rosters. Craig Wilson's at-bats are limited by Sean Casey's return, but he's little more than a rich man's Niekro with a lesser glove; a platoon player, although a very good one, isn't something to dish out talent for. Everyone else is either a) still in contention, b) trusting a first baseman both cheap and young, c) enjoying a first baseman making scads of money for the next thirty years, or d) the Royals.
Niekro provides a good glove, and the teeniest of hopes that he can at least bring his slugging percentage up to where it was last season. I don't trust him, I'm not holding my breath for an improvement, but there isn't much choice. There aren't any quick fixes, and that's a shame. I love quick fixes. So if anyone does have a quick fix, I'd love to hear it. Especially if it involves the Giants getting Nick Johnson for Brad Hennessey, because that's Kool-Aid worth drinking.
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Re: Fly in the Kool-Aid
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It's all to easy for me to imagine us trading a top prospect to rent a first baseman who is not as good of a hitter as Mark Sweeney.
howdy
Took a little sojourn away from the Bay and I see Niekro did not magically become Lou Gehrig in the past 2 weeks. Well, I guess we all knew this might happen in the offseason. It's especially bad that he's not even hitting lefties. Nick Johnson for Brad Hennessey -- get 'er dun, Mr. Sabean.
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by Brian Sabean on Jun 8, 2006 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 8, 2006 12:40 PM PDT reply actions
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I think he had awful coaching in the minors and came up with negative discipline at the plate. I also think that in a very short time he has reversed a lot of the awful habits that years of non-coaching had bred in him, and that his capability to relearn hitting and his work ethic toward becoming a better hitter are both encouraging.
I also think he's probably a .260-.270 hitter with middle of the road power who is just a month or two away from hitting that stride right now and that that could very well be the best we can hope for out of him in the long run.
But the fact that he works so hard at hitting, that we've seen him have a few really nice tears over the last year, and that he's just so damn likeable makes me believe that he can hit in the .285-.295 range with decent power and that's what keeps me optimistic about him.
I don't know... years of watching Feliz swing at the first pitch curve and the offspeed pitch in the dirt with two strikes makes me want to see the guy who is actually working hard at fixing his hitting problems succeed. Plus he's got a good glove.
Still, I wouldn't shed tears to see a platoon with Ish next year, and I don't cry when Sweeners gets the start every few days.
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If you think...
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Time Worrel: 7 HRA, 15 IP
Matt Cain: 9 HRA, 60 IP
And to think we were worried about the power numbers against Matty.
I'm tired of Worrel. His numbers from last year weren't a fluke. He's done and our young arms were doing better. I mean, Wilson throws 95+ strike out stuff. He throws it like he's wearing a blindfold, but it's there. And Tasch can be an effective arm in the middle innings.
But I'm not worried about this. I don't think they'll try to wait Worrel out much longer.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051101.wblai/BNStory/Sports/home
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by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 8, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 8, 2006 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
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- Quick sorta fix: Steve Finley?
- Craig Wilson is little more than a rich man's Niekro? Wilson has a career OPS of .850 and a career EqA of .287. He's a very solid player.
Dear Grant:
Wilson only makes $3.5 million and his contract is up at the season.
I agree with Doug, he is much better than a bon vivant version of Neikro. Wilson has a career 120 OPS+. He absolutely tatoos lefties, but is still decent vs. righties.
But Grant, lay off the wacky tabacy, Hennessey wouldn't fetch you Wilson, let alone Nick Johnson. But I think you could obtain Wilson for Lowry, whom I beleive is expendable, with Hennessey and Corraie pitching well. You could throw in Niekro for all I care.
by GiantJim on Jun 8, 2006 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Dear Grant:
Hennessey for Johnson was very, very tongue-in-cheek.
Hennessey for Wilson might not be, though. Even with a lot of teams after Wilson, he really isn't going to fetch a king's ransom. Hennessey or Correia, and throw in a mediocre prospect or two. I wouldn't be opposed to that.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 8, 2006 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear GiantJim,
sincerely,
The 7th and 8th grade girls of Mercy High School
Re: Dear GiantJim,
by seyheystretch on Jun 8, 2006 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
apologies...
Dear kenshin1,
errr....
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Dear GiantJim
by GiantJim on Jun 8, 2006 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
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I'm new, be gentle.
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Why not me? Why NOT me?
by ilykeitlykedat on Jun 8, 2006 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
Re: Why not me? Why NOT me?
If you promise to crouch really low in your stance, really throw your shoulder into those inside pitches, and always wait on the first pitch, I'm thinking we'll see you in the bigs by September!
by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
What I've been mulling the past few days;
Benitez to the Braves. Wilson or (Casey+cash) to the Giants. Prospect from the Braves to the Pirates.
Braves need bullpen help. Braves can afford to toss out a B- prospect. Pirates have two first basemen, need prospects.
Your thoughts?
Re: What I've been mulling the past few days;
Or is your name Sal Emicus and it's really very straight-forward. I've been puzzled by this.
by howtheyscored on Jun 8, 2006 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It's pronounced as follows:
"lem" as in "lemon"
"ic" as in "icky"
"us" like "wuss"
So...
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Plus this does nothing to tell us what syllable of Salemicus has the emphasis. I've been emphasizing, in my head, the second one, and I'd hate to have been wrong, in my head, all this time.
by ilykeitlykedat on Jun 8, 2006 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, a is supposed to be an "ar" sound
Re: So...
by Felipe Alou on Jun 8, 2006 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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I like lamp.
by Felipe Alou on Jun 8, 2006 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Felipe Alou on Jun 8, 2006 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: What I've been mulling the past few days;
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 8, 2006 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
You think the Pirates want a lot for Wilson?
The other possibility is Ray Durham for Cliff Floyd.
Re: You think the Pirates want a lot for Wilson?
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 8, 2006 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Affidavit Names - Grimsley
Grimsley says that a former employee of [redacted] and personal fitness trainer to several Major League Baseball players once referred him to an amphetamine source.. Later, this source provided him with "amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone." This trainer? His name is Chris Mihlfeld, a Kansas City-based "strength and conditioning guru." (And former Strength And Conditioning Coordinator for the Royals.) If you read the document, it doesn't say the trainer/Mihlfeld supplied all the HGH and what-not; it just says the trainer was the referrer. Mihlfeld.
Does Mihlfeld's name sound familiar? If it doesn't, he -- and we assure you, this gives us no pleasure to write this -- has been Albert Pujols' personal trainer since before Pujols was drafted by the Cardinals in the 13th round of the 1999 draft. We have no confirmation that Pujols' name is in the affidavit ... but Mihlfeld's is.
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by DaveK on Jun 8, 2006 2:44 PM PDT reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
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Some guy on jim rome was burning raised teh idea when jim gray was hosting and jim gray reacted as if he had just called his mom a whore
by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Why everyone loves Fat Albert
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
by Fog City Blues on Jun 8, 2006 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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by W8ingForATitle on Jun 8, 2006 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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But it'll be funny to watch the people who think of Pooholes as some golden baseball god totally lose their shit, if he ends up being found as a user. I have to take solace in what I can find.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 8, 2006 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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by David A. Arnott on Jun 8, 2006 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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by W8ingForATitle on Jun 8, 2006 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
An anagram of Chris Truby...
Agreed, teddy. Fighting hypocrisy with more hypocrisy isn't going to accomplish much.
Although oddly enough, with the exception of the "Get him! Tear his flesh!" ugliness after he was plunked in Houston, the behavior of fans hasn't bothered me as much as the shrieking of pundits this season. When the camera pans a crowd and shows a bunch of people with their asterisks and their stupid signs... have you noticed that everyone seems to be smiling? To me, opposing fans have been somewhat hypocritical and tired, but ultimately harmless. I too have loudly criticized a few opposing left fielders in my day, even in cases when perfunctory research would have revealed that the object of my ridicule was not, in fact, a bum.
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by David A. Arnott on Jun 9, 2006 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: Affidavit Names - Grimsley
by Fog City Blues on Jun 8, 2006 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
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"Attorney Ed Novak says the feds targeted Grimsley to get at Barry Bonds.
Novak says agents tried to pressure Grimsley into wearing a wire to lure other major-league players into confidential conversations.
The ultimate goal according to Novak was securing incriminating evidence against Bonds."
Two things are clear: #1. They have their sites on Barry and Barry alone
#2. Barry better be clean, because if this dominoes who knows who would roll on him.
#3. They must not have very much evidence of perjury, because otherwise why would they need circumstantial evidence?
by DaveK on Jun 8, 2006 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
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it is clear this whole thing isnt about eradicating the use of PED's but taking down barry bonds. Jeff novitsky can claim to be trying to clean up baseball, but this reiterates the idea that this is and always has been smear campaign against barry. truly troubling.
the way they detail the government's dealings with grimsley almost sounds like they are the mafia. the federal mafia.
by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
1B problems
I wonder if Grimsley mentioned anything about Miggy's B12 shots.
Pessimissm... or is it Cynicism?
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by fanofvanlandingham on Jun 8, 2006 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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And I say give Niekro until the all-star break. It's too early to make a good trade, now, anyway. Everyone still thinks they're in it.
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I think it comes from the fact that he is pitching so much better than he ever has, and the belief that he won't be able to keep it up for all that long. He's pitched pretty well as a starter and very well as a reliever (with added velocity), so the theory goes that he has maximum trade value now and can be "sold high".
While I think this is likely the case, and wouldn't mind seeing him dealt as much as some other young arms in the pen (Accardo, Correia, Wilson, Sanchez), I'm also wary of the fact many people said the same thing about maxed out trade value when Joe Nathan was traded.
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 8, 2006 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
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Of course, in his last year with the Giants, Nathan struck out 9.46 batters per nine innings, and had a K/BB ratio of 2.52. Hennessey is currently at 3.35 (ick) and 0.88 (shudder). His career numbers are a little better, but not much, and his minor league numbers don't point to greatness. He's finding a way to get the job done, and God bless him for it, but if he can be moved to substantially improve this team, I'm all for it.
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67 posts...
Fill me up.
Ohhh yeah.
Why pick on Niekro now?
Over the past month, he is hitting .320/.358/.560/.918 with 3 homers in 50 AB, 15 RBI and playing flawless defense. What's not to like about that? Of course, he's been DLed again, but offensively he has been very good when he has been in there.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 8, 2006 6:38 PM PDT reply actions
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I really, really root for him, though. I hope he makes me look like the world's biggest idiot.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 8, 2006 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
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Like Grant said, many of us don't trust him because there are many things (read: stats) that point to good hitters, and Niekro's stats in those areas are poor. We don't trust him because his approach...well, he doesn't seem to have an approach.
He's feast or famine, he's a gamble hitter. That's great, say, coming off the bench, but when occupying a traditionally big-time offense-producing position, it isn't satisfying day-in and day-out.
Plus, watching him hit gives me the willies.
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But seriously, Casey would be a wet dream, but very expensive. Like most people here, I certainly wouldn't have issues with dealing Correia or Hennessey, but I definitely want the Giants to hold onto Lowry.
As for another alternative at 1B, I kinda wouldn't mind seeing more of Ishikawa. He was only on the team for a few days, but he definitely made an impression.

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