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A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants

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Disclosure: I'm an A's fan, and have been since I was young enough to distinguish between teams. I also am fairly active on Athletics Nation, McCovey's sister site. Residing on the peninsula, I of course have friends, neighbors and coworkers who are Giants fans, and my Dad has always been a Giants fan, growing up in the Mays/McCovey era, not that he could tell me anybody besides Bonds on the current Giants roster...
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In reading yesterday's game thread on this site, there was a lot of discussion on why the A's hate the Giants, or why the A's fans should hate the Giants or their fans, or any of that nonsense.

Here are my thoughts - it's not really there. Of course it is fun to root for your favorite team against another in close proximity, and of course it is fun to grandstand and argue superiority of A's vs. Giants, but the truth is that we don't really think much about the Giants when we're not playing them. We would much rather HATE the Angels or HATE the Yankees than HATE the Giants.

What have the Giants done to hurt the A's ever? Nothing, really. In the only series that counted, 17 years ago, you guys rolled over. In interleague play, the games have been very even, with the exception of a random 16-0 blowout at our place, or an Eric Byrnes cycle at your place every once in a while. When Barry Bonds came to our place and hit 714, we cheered. We stood and applauded. And then we booed his ass when he got back in the box the next time up. That's part of being a fan.

Is it part of being a fan to talk trash? Absolutely. One of the lines I most commonly use is, "AT&T Park is a great stadium. It's too bad they couldn't find a major league team to play there." Not very nice, I guess... but in good fun. And when I went to AT&T Park for a recent Colorado Rockies series, I wore my A's cap down in the recessed bullpen seating area. That got me a lot of attention, some amusing, and some not so good, but I deserved it for being so blatant. One Giants fan in her fury, said, "What are you doing? That's like wearing a Yankees cap to Fenway Park!?"

But I didn't think it was the same. The Giants fans tend to try to look down on the A's fans, and the A's fans have somewhat annoyed ambivalence about the Giants and their fans. It's not hatred the way I hate Derek Jeter or Mike Scioscia. They can rot in hell. (And they will!)

I would say that part of the quasi-smug ambivalence comes from knowing the Giants occupy a certain role here in the Bay Area. They are to compete and play hard, but not ever go all the way. The Giants, seemingly every year in the last few decades, has challenged for the division and in many cases, made the playoffs, but even in 2002, we didn't really think you were going to win it all. Now, if you had, things might be different around here. The Giants fans could hold that over our head, and say 1989 is a distant memory, one played by confessed juiced superstars and rendered irrelevant due to the Loma Prieta issue.

So what's left? Mostly issues off the field. Everybody knows KNBR occupies a special place in the radio dial. They are a force to be reckoned with. It would be great to dream that KNBR could have a Giants/49ers station on 680, and the A's/Raiders station on 1050, but until I hear otherwise, that's pure fantasy on our part. The A's have played the lesser step-children on the radio dial, and major media like the San Francisco Chronicle for some time, and we should have to just eat that. As for the stadium, I happen to really like McAfee Coliseum. But that's probably due to memories and nostalgia, as it's clearly not due to modern amenities. It was a beautiful park before Mount Davis, and now it's just a great place to see a great team play a great game.

The A's don't hate the Giants. It would be giving your team too much respect to say that we do. Even coming at the issue from a neutral standpoint, it's hard to see how the Giants team is even worth getting gussied up about. Bonds is a force of nature (and chemistry), and is to be respected. But the rest of the team (Finley, Alou, etc.) doesn't overwhelm anybody on paper or on the field. Why get frustrated or noisy about this current squad? It's not even worth it. Jason Schmidt? A great pitcher. Matt Cain? A good pitcher with streaks of great. Even Ishikawa is fun to see hit. But that's just about where it begins and ends. I don't see the Giants contending in the future the way the A's are prepared to do unless Giants owners pony up the cash once Barry leaves. Otherwise, we might see one good team and one bad team here in the Bay Area for awhile. And we won't really hate that either.

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Your thoughts?
I just like to pretend I hate the A's.
6 votes
The A's couldn't hold Barry's jock.
10 votes
Barry Zito is the better Barry.
31 votes
Shut up and get off our site!
18 votes
I root for the A's when they don't play the Giants.
38 votes

103 votes | Poll has closed

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I think...
the sense that the A's (and A's fans by extension) dislike the Giants stems from the A's decision to market themselves as the superior alternative to the Giants (EG: no splash hits, 4 world championships).  Hell even Billy Beane gave that idiotic Ramones quote in which he insinuated that A's fans are somehow more discerning the their Giants counterparts.
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 24, 2006 1:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And don't forget...
"While they were building a ballpark, we were building a team."

That one was good as well.

-- lives on Athletics Nation... just visiting.

by louismg on Jun 24, 2006 1:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: And don't forget...
Well, except for the fact that the Giants had the better record that year.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 24, 2006 2:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
"I would say that part of the quasi-smug ambivalence comes from knowing the Giants occupy a certain role here in the Bay Area. They are to compete and play hard, but not ever go all the way."

I'm speechless. Un-fucking-real.

$90 million for a .500 ballclub. Thanks Brian Sabean!

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 24, 2006 1:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
As some will know here...I don't hate the Giants. I may be known as an annoying, silly, ignorant, and obsessive teenage girl fan, but I don't hate them. Yes, I'm obsessed with Noah Lowry, but I actually do root for Matty Mo, too, and when they're pitching, I'm definitely a Giants fan. Some A's fans do hate the Giants, it's a fact. Also, some Giants fans hate the A's. Weird. At least there are some that use a happy compromise between the two.
"Not all who wander are lost." The rest, they say, are history.

by Squeaky on Jun 24, 2006 1:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hell...
I don't even cheer for matt Morris and I'm a Giants fan.
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 24, 2006 1:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
What I've actually been finding the last few years, and I find it really weird, is that A's fans tend more often than not to bear ill feelings toward Giants fans specifically, and not the team itself.

I always thought it was a strange phenomenon and could never quite explain it.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jun 24, 2006 2:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say this is fairly accurate.
For some, that extends from the belief that the A's are better, and anyone who doesn't automatically see that is thick. Kind of like a Democrat vs. Republican thing. Once you're aligned one way, it's really hard to get your head around how somebody could have come to a different conclusion using the same data.
-- lives on Athletics Nation... just visiting.

by louismg on Jun 24, 2006 3:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: I'd say this is fairly stupid.
The vast majority of Giant fans won't even think about, let-a-lone care two green shits about some want-to-be NL team with a huge inferiority complex after Sunday's game.
Hey...wait a second...Are you throwing at my head?

by Ghost11 on Jun 24, 2006 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Want-To-Be NL Team?
Aside from the Miwaukee Brewers and Arizona Diamondbacks, I don't know of any team in the AL who wanted to go to the NL.

(Milwaukee, as you know, switched leagues, and the AZ Diamondbacks were supposed to have expanded to the AL, but did not)

A random poll of 1,000 A's fans would tell you that 999 want to stay in the AL. The 1,000th guy misheard what you said, and/or is on crack.

-- lives on Athletics Nation... just visiting.

by louismg on Jun 24, 2006 5:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: I'd say this is fairly accurate.
it really hard for me to get my head around that fact that you are on this blog writing about how great your A's are and how bad the Giants are. GO HOME. Donate a fucking new elbow to Harden. Fuck off.
I can't respect a team that wears teal and purple pinstripe jerseys.

by camwoody on Jun 26, 2006 10:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
After reading through the posts on Athletics Nation, I would say that vast majority of the A's fans over there have serious hatred towards the Giants.

by sfgreg on Jun 24, 2006 5:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
The only problem with the A's is that they, like the rest of the American League, don't play real baseball. The DH is like the dunk in basketball -- the pitiful glorification of narrow skills over the broader beauty and balance of the sport.

by NearestNorwich on Jun 24, 2006 7:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
That diary read - to me - like a lofty diss.
So RUN IT UP on Sunday, please.
I'm 46....three of their four championships happened when I lived in the Bay Area. I was 10,11,12...?
 Lafayette had "Oakland A's Day" one year, and our Little League manager took us downtown to see it...which is how I ended up shaking hands with Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, and Dick Green. To my recollection, these are the only baseball players I've ever shaken hands with.
   Their three-year run was awesome. Truly legendary players - Jackson, Hunter, Fingers, etc. There's a book, "Mustache Gang" that chronicles it well.
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by victor frankenstein on Jun 25, 2006 12:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
Okay so I said before that I didn't hate the A's but after that post, let the hating begin. Fuck you A's fans thinking you are the real team while the Giants arn't even worth getting worked up about. Fuck you. All I have to say is enjoy the team you have when all your good players fucking leave to go get paid. If I were you I would quit writing posts on a Giants bolg and spend my time trying to get people to actually buy tickets so you could fucking hold on to a player or two. Bye bye Zito. Its just a matter of time. You know pretty soon that farm system well is going to dry up and you are going to be the fucking Royals. Don't come over here and act all high and mighty. Fuck you.
I can't respect a team that wears teal and purple pinstripe jerseys.

by camwoody on Jun 26, 2006 9:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
Oh yeah... Fuck you.
I can't respect a team that wears teal and purple pinstripe jerseys.

by camwoody on Jun 26, 2006 9:47 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude...
come on
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 26, 2006 4:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
I am sorry for yelling. Or writing in a yelling tone.
I can't respect a team that wears teal and purple pinstripe jerseys.

by camwoody on Jun 26, 2006 9:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: A's Fans Don't Hate the Giants
I've never liked the A's, but I certainly don't hate them. They play in the Alternate League (AL), so they rarely cross my mind. Which is why intraleague play is so wrong, but I digress. I just don't have any emotion to spend on the A's, or soccer, or American Idol, or the NBA. I don't care enough to hate.

From a baseball standpoint, I think the Bay Area is too small and fragmented to properly support 2 teams. I devoutly wish the A's would move; Sacramento, Portland, Salt Lake City, Vancouver, Charlotte, Orlando, Las Vegas,... wherever. Or contraction. If I were commissioner, that would be my primary objective.

The Giants lost the '89 WS because the A's slightly better starting pitching was magnified by the earthquake delay, allowing your 2 best starters to start all four games. Without that scheduling deus ex machina, it would have been much closer.

And even though you have a better GM, your salary restrictions will prevent your team from achieving true greatness. Although even Beane makes bad decisions, like signing Eric Chavez and letting Miguel Tejada walk. Ouch! That's Pierzynski-like. We have great fans and a great ballpark. And the GM will be replaced eventually, so look out Oakland fans!

Gertrude Stein was right, after all.

Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle on Jun 27, 2006 11:21 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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