Two-faced Felipe
by Moggeee on Apr 4, 2006 3:59 AM PDT
27 comments
Before the first game in San Diego, Felipe Alou offered a Bible-inspired challenge to anyone intending to chastise Barry Bonds.
"Those who feel clean, go ahead and throw the first rock," Alou said. "If you're clean, if you haven't done anything wrong or been accused of anything wrong, go ahead and start the show."
Interesting philosophy there, Felipe. How come you didn't employ it when you spent a week calling Larry Krueger the "Messenger of Satan," successfully lobbying to get him fired?
Oh! I get it! Bonds in the lineup helps pay your salary. Krueger doesn't sign your paychecks, and said your brain had turned to mush. Now I understand.
Hypocrite.
This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.
0 recs |
27 comments
Email
Print
Comments
El Chiflado!
As we discussed at length last year, El Chiflado is probably not your most educated (formally), "cultured," or secular soul. FYI, the Evangelical "movement" in the Caribbean is huge and growing.
by Kent on Apr 4, 2006 4:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apples and Oranges
by hammystyle on Apr 4, 2006 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
by keithr on Apr 4, 2006 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
Here's his hypocrisy, and it isn't a very clouded issue:
- Felipe viewed Krueger's braindead comment as the unforgiveable sin.
- Many fans and sportswriters view Bonds' steroid use as the unforgiveable sin.
- Felipe invokes the Bible to protect Bonds.
- Felipe uses his power to crush Krueger.
- Damn hypocrite
by Moggeee on Apr 4, 2006 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
The reasons it's apples and oranges:
o Kreuger insulted others (i.e Flip)
while
o Bonds risked his health, or if you prefer "cheated" to hit more dingers.
I think the only way you can draw a comparison is by saying the BB did what he did (whatever that actually was) just to make $$$, and the same can be said for Kreuger.
by zenbitz on Apr 4, 2006 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
BTW - I agree with those who said that Felipe was justified in calling Krueger out. Krueger messed up there not Felipe. I also think Felipe did right buy backing his player in Bonds.
by hammystyle on Apr 4, 2006 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
Read the quote you sighted again. Maybe a little more closely this time. He said it's only okay to criticize if you haven't commited the same sin you are criticizing someone else for commiting. Therefore, for you to show he is a hypocrite, you'd have to present evidence that he too made racist remarks prior to criticizing Krueger. Protecting one person, and crushing someone else isn't the least bit hypocritcal unless they are guilty of the exact same sin. That is not the case here.
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 5, 2006 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
- I view child molestation as the unforgiveable sin.
- Pro-lifers view abortion as the unforgiveable sin.
- I am pro-choice.
- I condemn child molesters.
- I am a damn hypocrite.
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 5, 2006 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
by stevieg on Apr 4, 2006 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 4, 2006 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a quote for Felipe
Alou, that Bible-thumpin' Puritan, could and should have invoked another famous Christian edict after the Krueger insult.
"Turn the other cheek."
by Moggeee on Apr 4, 2006 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
As to Bonds, I not a religious person but I think the biblical reference is apt. Especially in a clubhouse were there are more than likely others who may have "experimented" with some chemical help for their game. Every team has a lot of answering to do about their conduct with PEDs, so let's be very slow in making scapegoats.
by Sayhey on Apr 4, 2006 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Felipe's Golden Double Standard
Since Felipe is quoting the Bible again, let's stick to the point: Krueger had broadcasted for seven years without such an incident ever happening. Have you gone that long in your life without uttering something vile and stupid?
If so, you and Felipe are both Saints. Get your bag of rocks from the Giant manager's office.
by Moggeee on Apr 4, 2006 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Felipe's Golden Double Standard
by Sayhey on Apr 4, 2006 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
by zenbitz on Apr 4, 2006 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
by Moggeee on Apr 4, 2006 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pardon my slur....
by Moggeee on Apr 4, 2006 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
the off handed comment was hyped by the radio station itself....not krueger
I heard it aired live...and I didnt think twice about it....till the next morning when they put krueger on radnich's show....and he was being aplauded for making the comments
may I suggest you listen to the bits on racism by the late, great Lenny Bruce.
Words only have power if you allow them to...
by bacci40 on Apr 5, 2006 1:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
My take on this is that there are still a number of former listeners, perhaps including yourself, who loved the way Krueger berated the Giants, particularly Felipe and Feliz and can't forgive Alou for being offended when his criticisms crossed all lines of what is acceptable. In fact, it would seem that some, including perhaps yourself, are so invested in those criticisms that they are willing to look the other way when racism rears its ugly head. Indeed, let's take the opportunity of Felipe expressing his solidarity with Barry and trying to build team unity to again show how it was Felipe's problem, not Krueger's, in the first place. Again, pardon me, if not being part of your numbers makes me a "yob." I'll wear the name with honor.
By the way, I've heard Lenny Bruce's routines and the idea that his comments on word usage should allow us free reign in the use of racist language is a total misunderstanding of the power of language to help create the world we live in. I think it's also a misunderstanding of Lenny Bruce as well. Like Bruce, I'm all for resisting the power those words have, but that doesn't mean denying their effect.
by Sayhey on Apr 5, 2006 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
That said, I think Alou could have handled it in a much better way than he did. Being the bigger man and using it as an opportunity to encourage dialogue rather than going into the "messenger of satan" rhetoric would have been far more productive. It certainly leaves him open to criticism now for a "throwing stones" reference.
by Goofus on Apr 5, 2006 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
As to the "throwing stones" references, others in this thread have already stated it better than I, but criticisms would be due Alou about "throwing the first stone" if he were critical of people on the basis of race or ethnicity. He is not, so the only use of the biblical reference toward Felipe is an ill-informed one.
by Sayhey on Apr 5, 2006 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
Alou had every right to be offended at Krueger's ill-advised choice of words.
To elaborate on the "throwing stones" reference; it goes both ways. If you're going to call a person who makes a stupid comment a "messenger of Satan", your house better be squeaky clean and shouldn't be made of glass.
by Goofus on Apr 5, 2006 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
So, show me where Felipe has made similar comments based on people's ethnic background, and I'll join you in saying he should get his own house in order before making such statements. But I haven't seen anyone even allege he has said such things. You may think the "messenger of Satan" reference was over the top, but it seems like an apt phrase coming from a religious man who thinks racism is evil. In short, I still don't see any hypocrisy here on Alou's part.
by Sayhey on Apr 5, 2006 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
Just like Felips wasn't talking only to steroid users when saying people criticizing Bonds shouldn't throw stones, he doesn't have to be someone who makes racist comments for his words to be less than productive, in my opinion.
by Goofus on Apr 5, 2006 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
I didn't hear Krueger's original comments so I don't know the context of the Cream of Wheat comment. But I have to believe that Krueger knew what he was doing: he was trying to get callers. Cream of Wheat is as loaded a brand as we have and it's hard for me to believe that there wasn't a racial/ethnic subtext to his comments.
by noahthek on Apr 5, 2006 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
I think Felipe was right to critize the Caribbean comment; but not as much the cream of wheat. Though, even if he meant the cream of wheat thing as a defense of Felipe, is still a shot at his managing. Essentially, it is saying that Felipe is making stupid decisions because his team stinks.
by irwin on Apr 5, 2006 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Two-faced Felipe
by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 5, 2006 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2009 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
