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Quick notes, stealing a lot of the ideas from the diaries....

  • I already mourned the end of Kirk Rueter's career as a Giant here, and there really isn't much to add now that he's retired. I still think he could have pitched until he was 43 as a LOOGY, but that's not a role that can get every pitcher out of bed in the morning. At some point, spending time with your family starts to sound better than 50 appearances of 1/3-inning baseball.

    This is one of those silly armchair statements that could only come from a know-nothing blogger, but I'll always maintain Rueter should have tried a couple of months only pitching from the stretch. Maybe his success with runners on relative to his success with the bases empty was a fluke, or attributable to some other factor, but in a season like 2001 or 2005 he really didn't have much to lose by trying.

    Christina Karhl described Rueter as having only one good year out of the past eight, and that sent me scrambling for Woody's Baseball Reference page for a rebuttal. Unfortunately, it's almost an accurate description (he actually had two years with an ERA+ over 100). Still, almost-average and healthy has value, and we got a heck of a lot of those seasons from Woody. Add in the affable personality with the longevity, and he'll always be one of the more popular Giants.

  • Todd Linden or Jason Ellison? No. If it comes down to those two, I'll take Linden. Switch-hitting power tips the scales in this case, as they can both not get on base at the same rate. A speedster off the bench is nice to have, but Linden isn't exactly a slug. With Finley and Winn both able to cover center, a third centerfielder isn't a priority.

    Though I'd have to remove someone from the 40-man, maybe with an Ellison trade like Steve discusses here, the ideal fit might be with Abraham Nunez. He's everything you'd expect from Linden - a little switch-hitting power, the potential for fair on-base skills, moderate speed - but it would leave Linden playing everyday. If Linden thinks he's beneath more development time and starts to struggle in AAA, it'd be a pretty clear indication of how much he should be trusted at the major league level.

    Is Nunez really worth a 40-man spot? Probably not, but a minor trade or two could open up some room if he has an outstanding spring.

  • Jamey Wright should have to look amazing to be considered for a 25-man roster spot. He has had a remarkable lack of any kind of success in his career, even taking his Coors numbers with a 30-pound salt lick, and the Giants don't have that Braves/Cardinals history of turning untreated sewage into fortified wine. This assumed front-runner business is bunk, and is only predicated on the idea he's been in the majors for a while. He hasn't deserved to be, but that's inadmissible evidence, apparently.

    Million dollar arm, ten cent results? Sure, take a chance on the guy, and bury him somewhere in the hope he figures things out. But don't hand him a job because of service time. Whatever his problem was in the past, whatever made him unable to miss bats throughout his long career, should be a problem that is noticeably improved by the end of March before he makes the team.

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Couldn't agree more about Wright.

Is Nunez really 6'2" and 160 like the link says?  I thought I was skinny at 6'2" and 180.

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by Goofus on Mar 7, 2006 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

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Thank you! Please keep Jamey Wright away from all flammable objects and the Giants rotation! There are "experienced" people at my workplace too, but I'd prefer to work with the best, no matter their age.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Mar 7, 2006 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

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I totally disagree about Wright.  

You need to look at his road stats to get a better picture of him.  He's been totally screwed by Coors Field and Miller Park, his other home away from home, two of the worse parks to pitch in in the majors.  His road ERA is in the low 4's and that's not bad for a #5 starter (Tomko's career road ERA is in the stratosphere, his home parks have helped him out a lot).  Plus he'll be pitching half the time at AT&T Mays Field, where he has totally dominated, so he might be able to push his overall ERA into the high 3's, which would be excellent for a #5 starter.

Last year, he had only 30% dominating starts vs. 19% disaster starts, according to Ron Shandler's PQS methodology, which is not that good but passable for a bottom of the rotation guy.  But when I inputed all that against only his road starts, he came up with 47% dominating starts vs. 7% disaster starts, which is close to being among the elites of the majors (over 50% appears to be the crossover point to being elite, though 40's is pretty good too.  Others in 40-50 range:  Burhrle, Eaton, Maddux, Millwood, Morris, Mussina, Sabathia, David Wells, Kip Wells).

Plus, we will probably need a good #4/5 starter in 2007 assuming we lose Schmidt to free agency.  Right now we don't have anyone in the minors who look ready to make the leap to start in 2007, other than Hennessey who would probably take one of the two open spots in the rotation in 2007.  

We need to see if Wright can perform for us like he has on the road and in SF; if he can, we got a cheap pitcher to fill the bottom of the rotation for the next couple of years, we can probably sign him to a real cheap contract over the next two seasons (option for second, natch) and he might be grateful enough to maybe give us another year cheap if we take him on.  The worse that happens is Hennessey starts in AAA then comes up in May to take Wright's spot if he isn't up to the challenge; the best is if he can become a right-handed Woody for us on the cheap for a couple of seasons.

Go Giants!!!

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Mar 7, 2006 3:39 PM PST reply actions  

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In the last three seasons, his road ERA was 4.07. I'd jump for joy if our fifth starter came close to that. The problem is that the ERA is probably a fluke. In 150 road innings (2003-2005), he walked 79 and gave up 148 hits, of which 15 were homers, while striking out 100. Which adds up to:
  1. He has no control.
  2. He strikes out 6 per 9/ip. Not the worst, but certainly not enough to make up for the baserunners.
  3. Hitters still hit him well, even though he's often wild.
I just don't see the appeal over Hennessey, who is young enough to get better, and has had success above A-ball.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 7, 2006 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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Like I said, he's like a right-handed Woody.  He's an extreme groundball pitcher which allows him to give up more baserunners because he (should) get more DPs, shouldn't he?

And if it was solely just pick one, Hennessey or Wright, I would pick Hennessey. I had been campaigning for him to be the 5th starter since after the end of the season.

Then I realized that we are probably going to lose Schmidt after this season and will need another starter for the rotation.  Currently, our closest one is Merkin Valdez and I just don't think it's going to happen in 2006 for him to look like he has to be in the majors in 2007.  No one else looks close, Misch had a bad year, Sanchez is too far down to hope for 2007 (though at the rate he was striking out guys, he might rise fast), Wilson is a reliever, Begg doesn't look close, etc.

So then I realized that we need to have someone audition in the 5th spot for the rotation in 2007 because the cost of mediocre starters are getting ridiculous.  And if we want to contend, we'll need a mediocre starter in the #5 spot.

When we signed Wright, I check out his numbers and that's what I've been pushing, he looks pretty OK on the road and really good in SF.  It's like Woody all over again, you don't know how he does it but he does and he keeps the team close.  Wright looks like he can deliver that plus he should come pretty cheap (else I would say pass) for a couple of years, like Tomko's contract ($1.25M and $2.5M option, if I remember right).  

Then if one of our youngsters do happen to break out in 2006, Wright would be a cheap productive pitcher and those normally cost $7M per year, so we could trade him for a good position prospect or two somewhere desperate for just such a mythical creature.

In addition, if Hennessey turns out as good as I think he's going to be, he won't burn another year of pre-arbitration learning at the major league level, he can hone his stuff in AAA in 2006 and we get another cheap year of good pitching from him in 2007.

Go Giants!!!

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Mar 7, 2006 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Wright will make the team...
...if Hennessey struggles this spring. Or if Cain has command problems. Or if Lowry, Morris, or Schmidt are injured. Or if the young relievers don't appear ready to go. Or if there are injuries in the bullpen. More often than not there's a spot for Plan B.

At this stage in their careers Hennessey and Wright seem remarkably similar... neither of them have an impressive K/BB ratio, and while they both do a good job of getting ground balls, they give up their share of homers as well. Maybe Hennessey can outperform his lukewarm minor league numbers now that he's healthy, and maybe Wright can thrive in a fair ballpark (Miller Park in Milwaukee never did him any favors either). These things always seem possible in March. For the record, PECOTA thinks Wright is a borderline-useful fifth starter, while Hennessey and Correia are abominations that shouldn't be talked about when children are present.

"If Linden thinks he's beneath more development time and starts to struggle in AAA, it'd be a pretty clear indication of how much he should be trusted at the major league level."

This is a pretty interesting sentence... I have to agree. Meanwhile, Nunez was 4-for-4 today... is that seat next to you on the Abraham Nunez Bandwagon taken?

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Mar 7, 2006 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

Heaven must be missing an Angel...
...'cos Chavez is getting jobbed in ways Jesus never intended.

His Spring so far is really making me curse Sabes for throwing a $1m lollipop at Vizcaino.  Chavez may not impress anyone, but he doesn't depress anyone either, and that's basically the point of your 4th IF.

"When I think of how many times the Enemy has tried to kill Gary Busey..."

by multiphasic on Mar 7, 2006 6:52 PM PST reply actions  

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Linden vs Ellison?  How is there even a question?  Ellison is 2 years older and has never hit the ball out of the infield.  Here are their BP weighted mean projections this year:

Linden: 252/335/437 Def: -4 RF
Ellison:265/318/366 Def: +1 CF

And their 25%/50%/75% OPS projections:

Linden: 685/749/816
Ellison:606/660/734

OK-field, no-hit centerfielders like Ellison are a dime-a-dozen at the AAA Swap Meet.

Linden of course looked terrible in his major league trial, so there are some big error bars on those projections.  Still, it's hard to completely write off someone who so dominated AAA.  If Linden were 32 instead of 26, he'd get a shot somewhere like Kansas City, but the Giants own him for another couple of years at least.

But if he can put up his weighted mean (772 OPS) he'll be happy to know that the Giants just paid a guy with a career 771 OPS $23 million over three years.

by gdog @ McCovey Chronicles on Mar 7, 2006 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

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My guess is they send Linden down so he can play every day and develop for next year.  ie, they see him as a starter in 07.  They keep Ellison because they see him as a platoon player, not a starter.  
  Martin, interesting comments re the 5th starter.  I agree Wright can be a helluva value.  I also think, besides the home parks, there is some value in playing for a contender vs the Brewers (when Wright played for them) or the Rockies.  ie, even with our aged outfield, I think our defense is superior to that of Milw or Colo.  Add to that the benefit of having a veteran major league catcher, I think Wright could very easily put up #4 starter numbers.
  But, if Hennessey continues to throw as well as he has so far, do you damage him if you send him down?  To me, the measure is how much Hennessey has matured and learned this year over last.  ie has he learned to avoid the occassional meltdown?  Several people posted Hennessey's numbers after taking out his few horrible starts and they were #3 like.

 

by allfrank on Mar 7, 2006 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

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Linden is currently winning by a 3-to-1 margin on the poll I posted.  (Lineup Construction redux)
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by Goofus on Mar 8, 2006 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

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Linden's 26 and he hit 321/437/682 in AAA last year.  In what way will he develop?

If they're going to sit on him until he's 30, the Giants should just trade him.

by gdog @ McCovey Chronicles on Mar 10, 2006 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

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Jamey Wright Career stats w/o Coors Field and Miller Park:

IP: 742 2/3
ERA: 4.21
WHIP: 1.51
K/BB: 1.09

Brad Hennessey Career Stats:

IP: 152 2/3
ERA: 4.72
WHIP: 1.55
K/BB: 1.33

I know that dismissing a little less than half a player's career is stretch, but considering that half has been spent in two extreme hitter's parks, I believe Wright deserves the benefit of the doubt. Add to that the guy has been on some BAD teams, he looks like he could be a diamond in the rough, or atleast cubic zarconia.

Plus, Wright's career Ground Ball / Fly Ball ration is 1.92, verses Hennessey's 1.51. With the AARP outfield, I like this stat a lot.

To me, having Wright as the fifth starter is good, and gives Hennessey another year of seasoning in AAA.

Barry Bonds is simply a figment of Chuck Norris' imagination.

by danieljgrant on Mar 8, 2006 2:01 AM PST reply actions  

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"Plus, Wright's career Ground Ball / Fly Ball ration is 1.92, verses Hennessey's 1.51. With the AARP outfield, I like this stat a lot."

I hadn't really considered that. For the 80-100 games Bonds plays in the outfield they are going to be extremely vulnerable to fly balls and hopefully this will play into Felipe's thinking about who he starts Bonds with. On the other hand I think that when Finley and Winn are in the outfield together their defense will at least be average.

by hammystyle on Mar 8, 2006 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

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