Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 14, 2006 12:32 PM PST in News

The Giants really did this site a disservice by not drafting and developing an interesting pitcher named Champ Xavier, Al Yun, or Quinn Zzyzx. Now that we're almost finished with the community projections, the only remaining projections are for Tyler Walker and Tim Worrell. As the old saying almost goes: When you're writing about Tyler Walker and Tim Worrell...you're writing about Tyler Walker and Tim Worrell. I'm more of a Walker fan than most, but even I can't get excited about this one.

Tyler Walker

ERA: 3.86
IP: 56
K: 68
BB: 24

The jump in the K/9 should lead to more success, but he'll give up enough 500-footers to work against that. I still think he'll eventually anchor the late innings of a bullpen somewhere, even if it doesn't happen until 2016. I'll also prepare a good excuse for 2017, should that not be the case.

Tim Worrell didn't seem a likely candidate for a multi-year deal, but it wasn't out of place for the market. Competent relievers are ridiculously overvalued in the current free agent market. Every team is aware of where good relievers come from, for the most part. The White Sox bullpen last year was a combination of waiver claims and farm help, with some cheap free agent help thrown in.

But building a bullpen strictly from seven Bobby Jenkseses would likely yield one 2005 Jenks, and six of the 2004 model. Guys like Worrell, Scott Eyre, and Rudy Seanez are known quantities. Just because relievers can crawl out of the primordial Rule 5 or minor league free agent ooze doesn't mean a pitcher like Worrell should be ignored. While the contracts given to pitchers like Kyle Farnsworth are absurd, it's hard to begrudge a team a couple of reasonably priced bullpen veterans.

I also see this as the year Worrell implodes, adding another title to the series of Mr. Hergestyk, The Browering Inferno, and The Nightmare Before, During, and After Christiansen.

Tim Worrell

ERA: 5.48
IP: 33
K: 20
B: 11

And just for good measure:

Bernie Worrell

Days of continuous funk: 365

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Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

>But building a bullpen strictly from seven Bobby Jenkseses would likely yield one 2005 Jenks, and six of the 2004 model.

I believe the spelling is Jenkses. :P

Hmm....I didn't know that.

by WalrusMan on Mar 14, 2006 12:45 PM PST reply actions

I was trying to be funny.

Damnit.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 14, 2006 12:50 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

Actually, it's Jenkii, if you wanna get technical.

Signed, Mr. RepliesInWrongPlaces (of the Santa Cruz RepliesInWrongPlacii).

by EliminateMe on Mar 14, 2006 12:51 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

Anybody ever been to Zzyzx? I have always wanted to stop there...[it is an actual place]

If someone asks you to take an extreme tequila shot, *say no*.

by irwin on Mar 14, 2006 12:50 PM PST reply actions

as have I...

I am scared though that the residents might skin and eat me ala "The Hills Have Eyes". It truly is in the middle of nowhere.

Johnny Twobags doesn't have the blues and it makes him sad, brings him down...but not down enough to have the blues.

by kenshin1 on Mar 14, 2006 12:51 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

Actually, it's Jenkii, if you wanna get technical.

by EliminateMe on Mar 14, 2006 12:50 PM PST reply actions

are you going to collate...

the results and everything from all the projections, Grant? That seems like a lot of work for someone so <cough> ... busy

Johnny Twobags doesn't have the blues and it makes him sad, brings him down...but not down enough to have the blues.

by kenshin1 on Mar 14, 2006 12:55 PM PST reply actions

Re: are you going to collate...

I seem to remember last year's community projections disappearing into the void, and not being too upset about that. I was marginally more interested in an "over/under" contest that was in a diary, but I believe that one also disappeared into the void.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Mar 14, 2006 1:10 PM PST up reply actions

SHUT YOUR FILTHY MOUTH

;-)

Johnny Twobags doesn't have the blues and it makes him sad, brings him down...but not down enough to have the blues.

by kenshin1 on Mar 14, 2006 1:14 PM PST up reply actions

Re: SHUT YOUR FILTHY MOUTH

Dude... was that yours? Ha! I couldn't remember who ran that thing. Rest assured... I wasn't overtly being a dick in my last reply to you.

Subconciously? Maybe.

I just looked it up... wow, only a year ago the over/under for Schmidt victories was 20, and I had to give the matter some serious thought.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Mar 14, 2006 1:27 PM PST up reply actions

Re: are you going to collate...

If I took my projections more seriously, I'd consider it. But I'm the guy who alloted a SLG for Bonds that was mathematically impossible for the number of homers I alloted for him. I spent a combined three minutes of thought on the 25 or so projections, and that really isn't hyperbole.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 14, 2006 3:18 PM PST up reply actions

Days of Continuous Funk

...and The Browering Inferno? We are truly blessed today.

Walker still scares me... this is about as optimistic as I can get...

ERA: 4.35
IP: 66
K: 54
BB: 27

I see Worrell doing that solid unspectacular Worrell thing... his implosion can wait until 2007...

ERA: 3.57
IP: 65
K: 51
BB: 20

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Mar 14, 2006 1:11 PM PST reply actions

We have ourselves some Jenkii...

We call them "Erick Threets," "Alfredo Simon," and "Matt Anderson." To be fair, only Anderson was taken off the scrapheap (you know, the one in the jenkyard), but we are loaded with Oughta-be McDowells.

The Timinator:

IP: 70
K: 55
BB: 20
ERA: 3.70
Trips to rehab: .025 (thinks about starting drinking again when he accidentally stumbles on Benitez in the shower, dressed only in a towel, singing Toby Keith songs into a loofah)

Tyler Walker:

IP: 50
K: 50
BB: 30
ERA: 4.00
Number of times certain board posters who may or may not have dubbed themselves "Multiphasic" find it necessary to point out they went to high school with Walker: 50 (that's once per inning. I can't help it. I went to high school with him)

Bootsy Collins:

Cooler than Bernie, saner than George, and significantly less dead than Eddie Hazel.

"When I think of how many times the Enemy has tried to kill Gary Busey..."

by multiphasic on Mar 14, 2006 2:30 PM PST reply actions

Re: We have ourselves some Jenkii...

God bless University High School. I was very amused by that name when I was applying to schools in eighth grade...

Erick Threets=Andy Sisco
Matt Anderson=Matt Anderson

David
SPORTSZILLA - kickass sports writing

by David A. Arnott on Mar 14, 2006 2:40 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

I think Pants Man (any relation to David Letterman?) is closer than Grant on the Worrell prediction, since I don't envisage him imploding this year so much as fulfilling T.S. Eliot's prediction.
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf107/sf107p05.htm.
I might go 4.05 on the ERA; probably around 65 innings (more earlier in the season, less as it goes along).

Walker's future is so murky, I gotta wear tesseract shades, so no predictions here.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Mar 14, 2006 2:31 PM PST reply actions

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I will alwyas be indebted to Letterman and Chris Elliot for teaching me one of life's most important truths:

The word "pants" is funny.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Mar 14, 2006 4:01 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

I just don't see Timmy imploding. I see him coming much closer to the form we all loved in 2002 and 2003. Timmy will once again be a very effective 8th inning man for us.

Appearances 68
Innings 68
Hits 68
Walks 10
StrikeOuts 55
WHIP 1.15
ERA 3.44
Holds 23
Saves 3
Blown Saves/Holds 4

I See Walker being given the 7th inning and performing like Feliz Rodriguez did in 2002.

Appearances 68
Innings 68
Hits 74
Walks 16
StrikeOuts 50
WHIP 1.32
ERA 4.24
Holds 15
Saves 2
Blown Saves/Holds 4

by giantsrainman on Mar 14, 2006 2:36 PM PST reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

I see Walker and Worrell settling into the Flash Gordon Memorial I Was Once A Closer niche for the rest of their careers. I can't get excited about either guy. Walker should really be fighting for the Fassero swingman role, like a neo-Brower, and Worrell should never again be confused for a quality set up man. They're both filler (though Walker could be more useful), and both could probably be easily replaced by unproven warm bodies from the minors.

All that is to say that it's entirely possible both will be let go by the All Star Break. We just have too many interesting, young, relievers in the high minors to keep those particular guys around.

David
SPORTSZILLA - kickass sports writing

by David A. Arnott on Mar 14, 2006 2:47 PM PST reply actions

Worrell implosion

If it does happen, we can add to the series It's the End of the Worrell As We Know It...

by EliminateMe on Mar 14, 2006 3:09 PM PST reply actions

AHHHH!

BAD JOKE!

Hmm....I didn't know that.

by WalrusMan on Mar 14, 2006 3:58 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah, yeah, I know...

...it must have been a terrible shock to you. Finding a bad joke on McCovey Chronicles, of all places!

by EliminateMe on Mar 14, 2006 4:23 PM PST up reply actions

Note:

For the offense of questioning my infallible comedic genius, EliminateMe has been banned. Pack up your suitcase, kid. You're finished.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 14, 2006 4:32 PM PST up reply actions

About time, too...

...with a nick like "EliminateMe" you wouldn't think it'd take me so long to get booted!

by EliminateMe on Mar 14, 2006 4:34 PM PST up reply actions

Re: About time, too...

More company in the "banned box"!

My girlfriend drafted me because I did well on the the wonderlick test

by Goofus on Mar 15, 2006 1:04 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

multiphasic: I'm a more recent UHS alum who was there for Tyler's MLB and Giants debuts, and it was pretty sick seeing the school go nuts when he suited up for us, looking through old class-of-96 yearbook photos featuring our boy and hearing Jon Miller call my tiny school of 400 kids an "athletic powerhouse" on ESPN. With that in mind, my soft spot for Tyler doesn't quite carry over to my projection:

IP: 64
ERA: 4.30
K: 54
BB: 24
HR: 7
W-L: 4-3

As for Tim Worrell... I have no idea where he went to high school.

IP: 69
ERA: 3.54
K: 56
BB: 20
HR: 7
W-L: 4-4

"Baseball is life, the rest is just details."

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Mar 14, 2006 3:32 PM PST reply actions

Not the gameday thread...but why not put it here..

"Designated hitter Barry Bonds went 3-for-3 with a solo homer, two singles and a sacrifice bunt."

Sure.....that's what we want Bonds to do.

Hmm....I didn't know that.

by WalrusMan on Mar 14, 2006 4:14 PM PST reply actions

Aside from the bunt...

Seriously, Barry really bunted? Or did he just fail to check a swing?

by EliminateMe on Mar 14, 2006 4:25 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Aside from the bunt...

According to the Chron, he really had a sac bunt. He's had like 8 in his whole carreer and his last one was in '98

My girlfriend drafted me because I did well on the the wonderlick test

by Goofus on Mar 15, 2006 1:05 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Community Projections: Walker/Worrell

No numbers but I think Worrell will be back to normal for us in 2006. Once he got over his personal stuff and went to the D-backs, he was fine. His Post-ASG stats, which basically cover the period after he returned showed these stats:

ERA - 2.55
WHIP - 1.27
IP - 35.1
H - 36
BB - 9 (2.3 where 3.0 is good)
K - 27 (6.9 where 6.0 is min plus 3.0 K/BB ratio)
HR - 5

Only his HR looked real bad, about 1.3 HR/9. And he pitched well at Chase too, they should have kept him, they need relievers who can do well and do well there. The reason he didn't do so well in 2004 and 2005? Pitching at Citizens Bank Park - maybe that's why he avoided re-upping with the D-backs, Chase is a hitters home too. He should be low 3's or better ERA in 2006.

Walker, looking at his stats, for some reason he doesn't pitch well at AT&T at all, he has horrible stats there but very good stats on the road. Assuming someone shows him this year how to do better at home (maybe the pressure of playing in front of friends and family is too much; he's from SF if I recall right), he could be a very good reliver for his, his road ERA was 3.90 and 3.18 the past two seasons, respectively. ERA under 4 is a definite possibility if he can figure out how to pitch at home.

Go Giants!!!

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Mar 14, 2006 4:26 PM PST reply actions

Community Projections: B. Worrell

Days of continuous funk: 365
Pieces of woo (per day): 6.6
Disco-freaks ass-thumped: 7
Mommas yo'd: 16,617
Grooves gotten (per day): 4.6
Its gotten on (per day): 3.1

by ilykeitlykedat on Mar 14, 2006 5:35 PM PST reply actions