40-Man roster is full
by Pants Man on Dec 8, 2006 2:21 PM PST
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PrintThe Giants' website lists 38 players as being currently on the 40-man roster... the addition (or reappearance) of Bonds and Kline will bring that number to 40. If a Zito or a Klesko or a Riske is going to be added, someone is going to have to be voted off the island. (I don't think you can use the 60-day DL in the offseason... can you?)
The good news, if you could call it that: we have a fair amount of dead weight on our roster.
There are aging players with career-threatening injuries (Matheny, Worrell).
There are veterans we could trade (Benitez, Sweeney).
There are AAAA hitters who seem to be getting squeezed from the active roster (Niekro, Ellison).
There are live-armed AAA pitchers who we may be able to sneak through waivers given their significant injuries (Valdez, Threets).
There are players who are spinning their wheels and giving off an "organizational guy" vibe (Ortmeier, Knoedler, Munter).
There are the "is this guy possibly going to be ready to contribute at the big league level before he runs out of options?" guys (Ishikawa, Acosta).
And then there's Maude.
We may only need to waive one or two of these guys, but I think we should be prepared to waive more should we get the chance to grab some interesting names that other teams are forced to waive this winter.
I have included only the most likely candidates for DFA in this poll for simplicity's sake, and because it's difficult to rationally consider the other options when you're given the choice of dumping Benitez.
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Matheny
Worrell
Ortmeier
Knoedler
Ellison
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by lunaticfridge on Dec 8, 2006 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
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by GiantJim on Dec 8, 2006 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
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by GiantJim on Dec 8, 2006 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 8, 2006 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
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this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
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by GiantJim on Dec 8, 2006 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
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by lunaticfringe1 on Dec 9, 2006 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
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by GiantJim on Dec 10, 2006 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
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Well.
Benitez might be a bit hard to trade, but if you get a Sexson/Burrell perhaps you can send Benitez/Sweeney for him? I don't think I've heard this before, but it would take care of a few things: Benitez is gone, Sexson/Burrell is here, you clear a spot on the 40-man, you don't need to keep 3 1B (Aurillia, Sexson/Burrell, Sweeney).
Niekro wouldn't be bad just to keep around for a year in case one of our 1B get injured, just for a callup. Ellison is the one I see going. he just doesn't seem like he'll be a baseball player.
As for the Noodler, Ortmeier and Munter, you need to keep the Knoedler because otherwise you wouldn't have another catcher. Ortmeier, well you either lose Ellison or the Ort. Personally I'd miss yelling ORT ORT ORT! And Munter, well do what you want with him, when his sinker is working use him, when it isn't don't use him. I wouldn't mind him starting out the season on the 25 man.
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This is not the NFL. You can't buy out someone's contract. That's why they call it GUARANTEED money.
The only exception is when it's an option year that has a negotiated buyout the team (or player, or both parties) can choose in lieu of exercising the option.
Matheny is under a guaranteed contract for next year, as is Worrell. Matheny has an '08 option that will be bought out. There's no negotiating that amount. Even if Matheny wanted to give that money back, the Players' association wouldn't let him.
Getting back to the point of this thread: They'll put Matheny and Valdez (who had TJ surgery) on the 60-day disabled list. That frees up two spots. If Worrell can't pitch again, they can 60-day him as well.
There may be a limit on how many players you can have on the 60-day at any one time...not sure on that. But if so, I can't imagine they cap it at two or three. Probably more like five or six.
by kintetsu on Dec 8, 2006 4:00 PM PST reply actions
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What we're talking about is negotiating an injury settlement in between, in which Matheny announces his retirement, and the Giants agree to pay him some of what was left on his deal, possibly in return for him doing some other work for the organization. It looks like Bill Mueller is going to get his full 2007 salary to work for the Dodgers, so I would imagine we would offer Matheny his full 2007 salary as well and just be happy that we don't have to pay the $2M buy-out in 2008.
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by kintetsu on Dec 9, 2006 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
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by lunaticfringe1 on Dec 9, 2006 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
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What I meant to say in the first sentence is that you can't buy out a guaranteed year of someone's contract at a LESSER AMOUNT. (Obviously, you can release them and pay them what they're due. See: Rueter, Kirk.)
One other point: If Matheny is officially done, they can place him on the voluntary retired list.
by kintetsu on Dec 8, 2006 4:02 PM PST reply actions
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Is there really a reason..
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I'd keep Valdez...why not? He'll be put back on the 60 Day DL, so he won't take up a spot on the roster, and he'll get the major league minimum.
It's not like it's a high cost for the chance that he'll recover, and the team would regret it if he did come through, but another team picked him up on waivers.
by BruteSentiment on Dec 9, 2006 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
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