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J.T. Snow Retires

by Skaldheim on Dec 7, 2006 11:30 AM PST Comment 50 comments

Everyone knew he wasn't going to play again; he was the last to figure it out, sadly.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/12/07/sports/s105859S81.DTL

Congratulations to J.T. Snow for a good and memorable career. You had one of the best gloves I've ever seen on a first basemen. You saved Darren Baker. You fell on your ass, got up, and still made the catch. You brought a whole city to life with that playoff homer against the Mets in 2000. And you looked good doing it all, damn you.

Farewell and welcome back, J.T. We all look forward to hearing you replace Greg Papa (please!) on the radio this summer.

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Welcome Home JT

Enjoy it when a quality former Giant returns to the organization. Look forward to seeing the results of JT working with Aurilia, EME and others to improve their fielding.

by wilriv21 on Dec 7, 2006 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

JT's most impressive accomplishment might be that he was one of the worst hitting 1B in baseball for almost 5 years, yet he had the majority of Giants fans clamoring to keep bringing him back.

Proving that if you're a 'gamer' and get a few clutch hits, fans will always overlook your shortcomings. A lesson for Frandsen.

by mxmob33 on Dec 7, 2006 11:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

Funny, your "almost 5 years" comment got me wondering about how bad his decline was. As it turns out, if you look at him in five-year blocks, his numbers smooth out rather nicely...

'97-'01: .285 EqA, .269/.366/.452/.818
'98-'02: .275 EqA, .262/.357/.421/.778
'99-'03: .278 EqA, .267/.367/.420/.787
'00-'04: .285 EqA, .276/.377/.431/.808
'01-'05: .279 EqA, .273/.374/.409/.782

Below average for a first baseman, particularly in terms of power, but that .374 OBP at the end of his career gave him value. He was overpaid during some of his bad years, particularly in 2002, although he made up for it to some extent with a .333/.371/.515/.887 line in 66 postseason at-bats that year, and by putting up a .325 EqA after signing a cheap deal in 2004.

You're probably right about Frandsen, although if he consistently puts up an OBP like Snow's, gathers some Gold Gloves, and has 32 postseason hits for the Giants, I'll like him with or without the eye black.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 7, 2006 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

The 01-05 numbers are skewed by the crazy 346 ABs he had in 04. Looking at those years individually is pretty wretched, especially the slugging, where he posted:

01 - .379
02 - .360
03 - .418
04 - .529
05 - .365

I can't think of many 1B that keep their jobs and fan support with those kind of numbers. More credit to him.

by mxmob33 on Dec 7, 2006 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

Yeah, judging solely by slugging percentage he was a bad player, and a wretched first baseman. Thankfully there was more to his game than that.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 7, 2006 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

I love JT now as much as ever, and I am happy to have him back home. I look forward to seeing what he will do in terms of broadcasting!

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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"I love JT now as much as ever"

Sorry, I couldn't leave this alone. You sound like a 13 year old girlie with braces.

by lunaticfringe1 on Dec 7, 2006 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

Braces are hott.

by lunaticfridge on Dec 7, 2006 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

I did love JT as a silly impressionable teenage girl. I was actually an Angels fan for a time. I was born in Anaheim and moved up here with my family when I was still a baby. My parents told me we went to games at the Big A and everything. Before the team went through that whole awful red uniform ordeal and had an identity crisis, I considered them my second team behind the Giants. JT was my favorite player then and I was thrilled when he was traded here.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

Baron Von, I've been wondering -- shouldn't your handle, technically, be Baroness?

by lunaticfridge on Dec 7, 2006 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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That's such a 19th-Century way of looking at things. ;-)

by Skaldheim on Dec 7, 2006 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

I'm surprised that a major home appliance would turn out to be such a literalist.

You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Dec 7, 2006 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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That's where the lunatic part comes into play.

by lunaticfridge on Dec 7, 2006 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

I stole the name from a production of Grant Theatre thus the name stays as it was created, to represent the awesomeness of Grant's humor. It's also more convienient to let people believe I am male until proven otherwise. I don't run the risk of having my sports opinions and interjections discredited just because I'm a girl. I also like bowling people over when they realize I have breasts and ovaries and I know my shit about sports. :)

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Bah, having boobs and knowing your sports is hot and should be encouraged at all possible opportunities.

by lunaticfridge on Dec 7, 2006 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

So, are you available next Friday or what?

by ololo3 on Dec 7, 2006 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Screw that..

WILL YOU MARRY ME? :-P

(Note: WalrusMan is already a taken Walrus, or Man, whichever you want to believe.)

I blame F.P. Santangelo, while F.P. somehow blames Kuiper.

by WalrusMan on Dec 7, 2006 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Hey, I (metaphorically) saw her first, pal...

by ololo3 on Dec 7, 2006 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Just don't propose on the Jumbotron. That is so lame. I'd like to see the woman say no just once.

However when I saw Alan propose to Gary on the Jumbotron last season it was cute and sweet. I don't know why it's different.

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Greetings, I'm Captain Obvious

Because they're gay?

by lunaticfridge on Dec 7, 2006 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Greetings, I'm Captain Obvious

I loved Brokeback Mountain. Saying anything more may ruin everything...

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"I just can't quit you"

by wilriv21 on Dec 7, 2006 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Alan + Gary OTP

Because it is.

by tk on Dec 7, 2006 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Don't say that, Baron, you might hurt somebody's feelings...

You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Dec 7, 2006 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Foot, meet mouth.

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

hmph!

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Dec 7, 2006 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

That was a pretty dick move on my part. I'm sorry for indirectly insulting you. I want to stay at the cool kids table but even more I want you to accept my apology. I sure can be an ass when I put my mind to it.

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Well, I'm convinced that you're actually female now, for what that's worth...

by ololo3 on Dec 7, 2006 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Because women can admit when they're wrong and try to fix it?

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Nah. Because women want desperately to sit at the cool kids' table, and apologize over everything.

by ololo3 on Dec 7, 2006 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

All that threadjacking and it's come down to this.

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

No sweat and no offense taken. I was reading the post and wondering whether anyone remembered that that's how I proposed. (Leave it to E-me to rub your nose in it.)

I'd admit it's probably kinda on the lame side, but her surprise/delight and the the whole section cheering for us made it a pretty cool event.

Now then, if I remember correctly, your boobs were the subject at hand (so to speak.)

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Dec 7, 2006 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

That's about the third time that my anatomy has come up here on the blog.

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 7, 2006 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Pertinent phrase: on the blog.

Your message here!

by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2006 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Screw that..

Professional noserubber, that's me.

And Goofus, you better keep your hands to yourself, 'cause we all know you're spoken for...

You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Dec 7, 2006 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he was a good Giant...

...and the best defensive first baseman I ever saw.

With the bat...well, I'll never forget this game: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07170SFN2000.htm

We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 7, 2006 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: he was a good Giant...

That was my first game at the new park. The Rios homer off Wetteland took place the next night.

Mighty Casey would have taken Armando Benitez deep.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Dec 7, 2006 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: he was a good Giant...

I've got you beat: I was at this game.

Man, that was fun.

I've grown up a lot since before dinner, when we last talked.

by groug on Dec 7, 2006 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: he was a good Giant...

I was wondering if anyone here who attended that game would bring it up...

LicenseToPills: barry bonds says words, they have nothing to do with his thoughts, they are just subjects and predicates in his mental kingdom

by Natto on Dec 7, 2006 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: he was a good Giant...

nice

We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 7, 2006 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

Loved the eye-black. Loved the leather. J.T. provided some of the most memorable Giants moments in the past decade. Certainly one trade that worked in the Giants favor. (Alan Watson, anyone?) Sabean was not always an idoit.

by Kid Fresh on Dec 7, 2006 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

J.T. Snow is and always will be a Giant.

I still have a suviner (boy..how do you spell that word?) bat from him that I got probably crom Candlestick.

I blame F.P. Santangelo, while F.P. somehow blames Kuiper.

by WalrusMan on Dec 7, 2006 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow is and always will be a Giant.

souvenir

that's what I think you were trying to spell ;-)

by Snof on Dec 7, 2006 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow is and always will be a Giant.

i still have mine too! that was they day you could get Kent, Snow, or Bonds right?

"Do you know what F.P. stands for?" "Fuckin Pimp"

by sfgiants114 on Dec 7, 2006 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

I think I actually wanted a Kent or Bonds one as my choice. I'm glad at what I got.

I blame F.P. Santangelo, while F.P. somehow blames Kuiper.

by WalrusMan on Dec 7, 2006 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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The thought of that Game 2 dinger against the Mets gives me goosebumps every time. Best single moment I have ever had at the ball yard.

Please do not resign Fleas!

by W8ingForATitle on Dec 7, 2006 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

Time for a new sig?

Or are you getting an early start on 2008?

by Evan on Dec 7, 2006 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I was hoping and hoping it wouldn't come. I know that's stupid but he's my favorite player. He was the one who got me to love baseball with just one play at first. Anything will impress a 7 yr old and JT diving to his left did just that. I guess the memories will have to suffice. And at least I get to hear his voice ever so often on the radio. Good luck JT!!

5,256 days of lowered expectations.

by giantscatcher on Dec 7, 2006 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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JT was awesome. The one jersey with a name I've owned has been a "Snow" jersey. People made fun of me for wearing it and not being a 13 year old girl, but so be it.

I was also at the playoff homerun game, and it remains the single greatest sporting moment I've witnessed live. The fact that we lost that game breaks my heart, but it was still awesome.

Even in his decline phase JT could pick it with the glove, take his walks, and rap out a double now and then. I used to call him the "King of the warning track flyball," since he hit so many almost home-runs.

And we'll never forget the Snow Pack.

My VORP is higher than your VORP.

by Poe on Dec 7, 2006 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: J.T. Snow Retires

In honor of Jater aka ET Slow I hereby pronounce the

"JT Snow Line" - i.e, be good enough to keep your job for 10 years, but be the worst regular batter at your position over that time.

by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2006 10:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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