We Have Fleas :(

by sfgiants114 on Dec 4, 2006 1:34 PM PST

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Damn.

I blame F.P. Santangelo, while F.P. somehow blames Kuiper.

by WalrusMan on Dec 4, 2006 1:28 PM PST reply actions

Re: Damn.

I like this....

"By sfgiants114
Posted on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:34:18 PM PST"

"by WalrusMan on Mon Dec 04, 2006 at 01:28:16 PM PST"

I knew this was going to be posted before it was posted people. I'm that good.

I blame F.P. Santangelo, while F.P. somehow blames Kuiper.

by WalrusMan on Dec 4, 2006 2:07 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Someone shoot me in the god-damn head.
Perfect way to rebuild the team Sabes...Add a few Padre retreads to last year's roster, bring back an older Aurelia and Pedro, and we're set.

On the plus side, I suppose that sections 123-128 are now prime "boo your own player" territory. I plan on making plenty of visits down there to heckle and bemoan not only Slappy Pete, but also El Mondo as he's warming up in the 'pen.

Hats for bats, keep bats warm !

by PacBellBoozer on Dec 4, 2006 1:34 PM PST reply actions

Here's the Tail. Er, Tell:

My dog has been scratching frantically since this weekend.

by Moggeee on Dec 4, 2006 1:35 PM PST reply actions

Re: Here's the Tail. Er, Tell:

Can we put a bat in your dogs hands and teach him to hit a slider?

Hats for bats, keep bats warm !

by PacBellBoozer on Dec 4, 2006 1:36 PM PST up reply actions

Like Pedro, he Bites

Also like Feliz, my mutt has some facial tics that impair his eyesight.

by Moggeee on Dec 4, 2006 1:53 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Here's the Tail. Er, Tell:

10 bucks says your dog has a higher OBP than Pedro...

by Aadik on Dec 4, 2006 2:02 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Here's the Tail. Er, Tell:

My dog sits patiently, with the food on the floor in front of him, waiting for my command to eat.

So he does have more plate discipline.

by Moggeee on Dec 4, 2006 2:08 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Here's the Tail. Er, Tell:

How did you come up with that?

by kwyjibo on Dec 4, 2006 2:17 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Here's the Tail. Er, Tell:

It's all in "The Parallel Lives of Noble Dogs and Hack Third Basemen," available from Amazon as soon as I write it.

by Moggeee on Dec 4, 2006 2:30 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Here's the Tail. Er, Tell:

Can he play 1B?

So Richie can play 3B as the lord intended.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Dec 4, 2006 2:31 PM PST up reply actions

he can even play LF

by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2006 2:33 PM PST up reply actions

Re: he can even play LF

Now that is scary, because it could get worse. Let's just take a look at this so we can all be relieved when it doesn't happen...

C Bengie Molina
1B Shea Hillenbrand
2B Ray Durham
SS Omar Vizquel
3B Rich Aurilia
LF Pedro Feliz
CF Dave Roberts
RF Randy Winn

Team home run total: 50

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Dec 4, 2006 2:48 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

the itching is killing me.

We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2006 1:36 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

The turd in the punchbowl has landed.

by RUSirius on Dec 4, 2006 1:37 PM PST reply actions

Houston: The Eagle has Dropped One

The most anticipated local media moment since we put a man on the moon.

by Moggeee on Dec 4, 2006 1:56 PM PST up reply actions

In this case,

failure IS an option.

by Widget on Dec 4, 2006 2:25 PM PST up reply actions

I wish

At least you can flush away a turd. And it wouldn't cost you 5-6 mill.

Mighty Casey would have taken Armando Benitez deep.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Dec 4, 2006 1:56 PM PST up reply actions

Damnation

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 4, 2006 1:51 PM PST reply actions

Welcome Home Pedro

While McCoven might not be your favorite place Pedro, I would like to welcome you back. Glad to hear you are working on your hitting technique and expect to see a much improved Feliz playing in SF in 2007.

Please have better pitch recognition, pitch selection and drive the ball up the middle and to RF. The Giants can use your versatility, defense and run producing. Bienvenidos Feliz!!!

by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2006 1:54 PM PST reply actions

Re: Welcome Home Pedro

OPTIMISM IS NOT ALLOWED

"Do you know what F.P. stands for?" "Fuckin Pimp"

by sfgiants114 on Dec 4, 2006 1:56 PM PST up reply actions

Wil standing resolutely at Ground Zero

Wil, you are going against the flow here, courting derision and disaster.

I extend to you the use of my backyard fallout shelter.

by Moggeee on Dec 4, 2006 1:59 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Welcome Home Pedro

Looks like I don't have much of an option but hope that you're right about this, Wil, even if I don't believe it for a second.

But if I may offer you a bit of advice... if Feliz does have a great year, be as big of a jerk about it as possible. Tell us we're not worthy to cheer his home runs, link to all of your old posts, and call everyone who doubted you out by name.

Cuz if he doesn't, you're probably going to get a pretty big ration of shit around here. :)

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 4, 2006 2:12 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Welcome Home Pedro

Not from me he won't. Good post, Wil, and welcome back Pedro. I'll cheer the great glove work and the 20+ homeruns and hope against hope the man can learn to recognize a slider.

Oh, and Sabean signed him to a reasonable contract. I thought all the moneyballers would be pleased.

yob

by Sayhey on Dec 4, 2006 2:34 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Welcome Home Pedro

The bridge, the bridge. Quickly!! Before somebody else buys it!!

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Dec 4, 2006 3:46 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Welcome Home Pedro

^^^

Gets it.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Dec 4, 2006 3:47 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Welcome Home Pedro

^^^
Doesn't get it. Watch more baseball. It helps.

yob

by Sayhey on Dec 4, 2006 11:48 PM PST up reply actions

Time to Put Up

I like to say I always pull for Happy Pete. It was easy to like him in the old days, when he was poor, quiet, played behind El Fatso, and sat at the end of the bench.

But Pedro's made about $12 million in four years, counting this contract. He's no longer an underdog.

It's time to stay within yourself and lay off the outside pitch, Pete.

by Moggeee on Dec 4, 2006 11:59 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Is it OK to cry?

by sfgreg on Dec 4, 2006 2:00 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Kenshin's scared. You should hold him.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Dec 4, 2006 2:33 PM PST up reply actions

Ahem.

That's my privilege.

by Omar Vizquel on Dec 4, 2006 2:40 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

My only hope is that with Aurillia on the roster, Boche will not be loyal to starting at 3B all the time.

Does this officially crush all hope of a slugging 1B? That would be the worst part of it.

by mxmob33 on Dec 4, 2006 2:04 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Wouldn't Craig Wilson have made more sense? Wouldn't it still make sense?

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Dec 4, 2006 2:06 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Wait, I thought you lived in a fantasy world where Feliz didn't exist, where we could all go and play? Please say it's still true.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Dec 4, 2006 2:36 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Well guys and gals, with the impending Molina Signing we will have spent $27M of our $45M. The just leaves enough dollars $18M to sign Bonds(under $10M), a third tier SP (under $8M/yr), and a second tier bullpen arm (under $3M/yr).

As I have said multiple times in multiple places:

PUT A FORK IN THEM, THE 2007 GIANTS ARE DONE!

by giantsrainman on Dec 4, 2006 2:15 PM PST reply actions

Repels Fleas and Ticks!

Guess that didn't work...Watch out for Brian Tickell.

I blame F.P. Santangelo, while F.P. somehow blames Kuiper.

by WalrusMan on Dec 4, 2006 2:25 PM PST reply actions

My two cents:

by Widget on Dec 4, 2006 2:28 PM PST reply actions

at least it's only for one year

we're gonna suck this year, regardless, so we might as well do as much as we can to get a higher 2008 draft pick. this signing is a positive first step in that direction.

We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 4, 2006 2:31 PM PST reply actions

Re: at least it's only for one year

I have to second that. I entirely expected a re-sigining for Feliz, but the fact the contract's only for one year is a pleasant surprise.

by rocketdog on Dec 4, 2006 2:50 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Rotoword has the number at $5.1M, which is about all we could hope for once the "between $5-6M" rumors started flying.

"Giants re-signed third baseman Pedro Feliz to a one-year, $5.1 million contract.

Maybe it's possible we don't give MLB GMs enough credit sometimes. It looked like Feliz would cash in this winter after driving in 98 runs and playing excellent defense. However, there just wasn't any interest outside of San Franicsco. Taking him back for one year isn't a bad idea for the Giants. He is one of the game's most underrated defenders, and his pathetic OBP isn't such a problem if he bats sixth or seventh. $5.1 million is a fair salary in this market."

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 4, 2006 2:32 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Contradicting themselves! "Maybe it's possible we don't give MLB GMs enough credit sometimes". Yes, because DFeliz would be an idiotic signing. Then, "He is one of the game's most underrated defenders, and his pathetic OBP isn't such a problem if he bats sixth or seventh. $5.1 million is a fair salary in this market"

It's not a good and bad signing, it's just a bad signing. It's saving grace isn't the $5.1 million, but the one year. At least they didn't sign Molina to anything like a 3 year contract, right?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Dec 4, 2006 2:44 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

With Molina on board, I'm thinking Feliz might do less harm batting 8th (assuming he's starting).

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Dec 4, 2006 2:48 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Feliz should absolutely bat eighth to Molina's seventh. I wouldn't expect it to actually happen, though.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 4, 2006 2:50 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

The thing about these "he does less harm batting seventh" theories is that they rely on the assumption that there are good hitters batting higher up in the lineup which there, well, aren't. Our best hitter is Ray Durham.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Dec 4, 2006 2:52 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Yes, batting order, in fact, only counts for a win or two a year. We stink regardless.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Dec 4, 2006 3:00 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Right, that way:

when he hits into inning-ending DPs, the pitcher will get to lead off the next inning.
with his low OBP, pitchers will rarely be called upon to bunt him over.

Perfect!

You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Dec 4, 2006 4:24 PM PST up reply actions

Feliz looks like he has fleas

Looking extra ratty.

Read SFDugout. It'll make you a better person.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 4, 2006 2:47 PM PST reply actions

Re: Feliz looks like he has fleas

I'm currently preparing a devious Tale of Two Cities-esque plot that sees Pedro Feliz take Saddam's place on the gallows.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Dec 4, 2006 2:49 PM PST up reply actions

To All in McCoven

how could you not like a face like that?

He looks like a character from "Sleeper Cell". Maybe he has a bit part playing Abu Mahmoud Farisi

by wilriv21 on Dec 4, 2006 2:52 PM PST up reply actions

Re: To All in McCoven

Dude, I may disagree with a lot of your posts regarding what the Giants should do, but you watched "Sleeper Cell" and that makes you basically a good person.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Dec 4, 2006 3:06 PM PST up reply actions

After days of being confused

I just figured it out.

In an attempt to continue the hitting development of young catcher Eliezar Alfonzo, the San Francisco Giants have resigned the only person he even thinks about listening to.

After the signing Sabean was quoted as saying, "Well for Christ's sake, somebody has to coach Alf!"

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2006 3:04 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

2002? I'm over it.

by wjackalope on Dec 4, 2006 3:29 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Pedro's mushroom cloud is prettier than Armando's.

by Moggeee on Dec 5, 2006 12:01 AM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Having broken into the majors with San Francisco in 2000, he is currently the longest tenured Giant on the roster.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Younger. Faster. Stronger. In some Bizzaro Universe maybe.

Older. Slower. Weaker.

Tarded Magowan has finally given himself the Fleer-Topps cardboard enema of all-time.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Dec 4, 2006 3:49 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Although the general public probably underrates OBP and overrates RBIs, I think stat guys often do the opposite. Certain guys will drive in over 100 runs no matter where they hit in the line-up, and certain guys won't drive in 100 runs even if they hit right behind Bonds. I can look at Jeff Francouer's numbers and say, wow, he hit 30 HRs and had 100 RBIs, he's pretty good.

With that said, and my non-stat-geek credentials firmly in place... Pedro Feliz is a really, really bad hitter. The difference? Unlike Francouer, I've seen it. I've seen him flail at horrible pitches in hitter's counts and kill rallies by grounding into double plays. What bothers me more, though, is that it seems like so many of his HRs and RBIs come in blow-out games. I don't have the stats, and I don't care what they say in this case about how "clutch" he is, because I've just seen him choke so many times over the years.

I liked him as a supersub with some pop. I cringe at watching him as a starter.

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Dec 4, 2006 4:21 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

"Certain guys will drive in over 100 runs no matter where they hit in the line-up"

Yes, power hitters who have people getting on base in front of them (something they have no control over).

Jeff Franceour ranked 17th in the NL in RBI chances. He also hit .320 with RISP, and had 29 homers. The first two haven't been shown to be repeatably abilities, while the third has. Of course, even if I disagree with your argument you have drawn the correct conclusion regarding Pedro Feliz, so...

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Dec 4, 2006 4:28 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

The point was that when I see what a lot of HRs and RBIs along with a very low OBP in person, as opposed to on paper, my opinion on those numbers changes quite a bit. On the other hand, the extreme of OBP over RBIs was JT Snow hitting third...

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Dec 4, 2006 4:35 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Feliz is a batter with the good fortune of garnering 644 PA (from a lovestruck manager) with Barry Bonds, Moises Alou and Ray Durham batting in front of him. Nothing more but a lot less.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Dec 4, 2006 4:39 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Well, a bit of silver lining (and I am stretching here) is that the young pitchers will have a team behind them who can field the ball.

With the exception of Bonds' range (if he signs). And his's arm. And Roberts' noodle arm. And Winn's. And Molina's, who can't throw out more than 20% of base stealers. And Molina's limited blocking / lateral movement ability. And the fact that Roberts is better in LF than CF. And that Ray occasionally suffers from bouts of manos de piedras. And that Richie has very limited experience at first base.

Other than that, the Giants are a pretty slick fielding team. Hopefully the Giants manage win a lot of 3-2, 2-1 games, and the pitchers spend a lot of time holding runners on first. Is there really a more exciting element of the grand game, than four consectuvie throws to first base?

Wow, I actually feel better getting all that snarkiness out of my system. Thanks for allowing the emotional enema, McCoven. It's been a rough day for all of us.

Humm Baby!

by Kid Fresh on Dec 4, 2006 5:28 PM PST reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

The word "enema" has been coming up a lot today. I think that pretty much sums up Giants management.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Dec 4, 2006 5:33 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

Only to the extent that they are in dire need of a skull enema.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Dec 4, 2006 8:30 PM PST up reply actions

Re: We Have Fleas :(

It drives me crazy too when I see Pedro going flailing at the outside pitch, but his first 89 game (pre all star) his avg. was .274 15hr 62rbis
which isn't too shabby.

by Buzzword on Dec 5, 2006 1:36 PM PST reply actions