Stats Show More IP Increased, The Better
Someone noted before here, don't recall exactly who, in one of Steve's diaries that one should not increase a pitcher's load of IP more than 20-30 IP per year or risk blowing out his arm and/or harming his development. Someone on The Hardball Times take aim at that "rule of thumb" with some data - apparently Tom Verducci is also a believer of this rule and therefore disses Matt Cain: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-year-after-effect/
He ran his study two ways, trying to answer any objections one might have over the population of pitchers encompassed in either dataset and came to this conclusion: that rule is a bunch of hooey.
Or in his words: "But the evidence points to the opposite. Pitchers who see a large increase in workload are more likely to continue to be successful than those who don't. It's important to remember that correlation does not mean causation--just because throwing a lot more innings than a pitcher ever has before is correlated with future success does not mean that managers should be riding their young pitchers hard--but it does imply that Verducci's argument is incorrect, and there is absolutely no reason that we should expect these YAE candidates to do worse because they've overworked."
That fits with what a number of us thought, that this rule didn't pass the smell test, but it is always nice when the numbers support you too! :^)
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Re: Stats Show More IP Increased, The Better
One flaw that jumps out is that without minor-league numbers, we may lose a lot of innings from guys who were called up midseason or who went back and forth in a given year. I admittedly don't know how much this would affect the study. It would, however, remove at least some pitchers who appeared to have their IP increased a lot when in fact they didn't - it was just that a lot of the IP were in the minors that year.
Also, Gassko is right to point out the correlation/causation issue. Good pitchers are going to get a lot more innings pitched, and bad pitchers are going to get sent back to the minors. If a guy is sent back to the minors (and not the disabled list) because it has not yet been determined that he is injured, and they think he merely isn't good, then that guy will be excluded from the study.
I don't trust Verducci to run an accurate study. David Gassko is good, but it really looks like he threw this together to counter Verducci before he had the chance to work out all the details and get an accurate picture.
From this info, it is hard to say either way what the truth is.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 30, 2006 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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"...let's look at the YAE for the Class of 2005, the young pitchers who were pushed beyond the 30-inning threshold that season: Matt Cain (+33.1 innings at age 20)...Cain (+1.82), Duke (+2.66) and Maholm (+2.58) all saw dramatic rises in their ERAs."
- 46 IP (2.33 ERA) in the Majors
- 190 IP (4.15 ERA) in the Majors
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 30, 2006 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 30, 2006 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Nov 30, 2006 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 30, 2006 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Stats Show More IP Increased, The Better
300 innings
300 strikeouts
30 wins
1.50 ERA
For 20 years breaking Cy Young's career wins with 600 wins and 100 losses (96 of these coming after he is traded to the Kansas City Royals for Roger Clemens III
by E Ticket on Dec 1, 2006 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by CystedTwister on Dec 1, 2006 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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For a player to clear his previous season's IP total by 30, he usually has to be healthy. Meanwhile, one of the main reasons that a pitcher doesn't pitch more innings is injury. So group one is selecting for healthy pitchers and group two is selecting for injured pitchers. If that's correct, then the only surprise is that group two didn't fair worse.
by Bhaakon on Nov 30, 2006 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by sunnyd100 on Nov 30, 2006 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 1, 2006 9:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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