Monopoly Money continues to flow...
Reported a few minutes ago that the Cubs are close to signing Soriano 8 years for 135 Mil. Good golly miss molly!
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Go directly to jail
For that money he should play every inning of every game at Ruthian level. Do not succumb to the pressure Sabean.
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4 years / $16M for middle relievers
8 years/ $135M for super stars
The Randy Winn deal is starting to make sense.
That means we are down the rabbit hole, Alice.
The Giants should "steal" Bonds for 1 year/$14M
and Durham 2 years/ $20M while the getting is still good.
Have Frandsen play 3B, Alphonszo catch, and Linden start RF.
Save money for the farm system.
Maybe sign a Japanese pitcher or two.
Please no Carlos Lee, "DH in training" body types.
Please no Pierre or Roberts or Matthews.
I could handle an Aurlia or a Borowski.
If the Giants were going to spend crazy money,
I would go with the aforementioned, plus
Drew, Schmidt, and Garciapara.
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- Detroit kept first baseman Sean Casey, agreeing to a $4 million, one-year contract.
- St. Louis retained Scott Spiezio, agreeing to a $4.5 million, two-year contract with the reserve infielder and outfielder.
- The Mets and backup infielder Damion Easley agreed to an $850,000, one-year deal.
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To translate these contracts to the Giants universe, how about:
- Shea- $4M, one year
- Aurilia- $4.5, two-year
- Feliz- $850,000
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 19, 2006 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
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by MayDay on Nov 19, 2006 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
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Soriano 115, 687, 8 Year $135 mil (31)
Casey 115, 553, 1 Year $4 mil (32)
Do the math.
by GiantJim on Nov 20, 2006 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
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But Casey has a large sample size. 111 OPS+ for 9 full time seasons. So that takes away the aberation effect of his big '04 season. His medium career OPS + is 104. Okay, so unless he has some particular injury which is rendering more and more ineffective, I would say 104 is a reasonable, if conservative, prediction for him. He is only 32 years old and has had a 114, 119, 136 and 142 OPS+ in the past.
$ 4 million is a good deal for him, even as a 1Bman.
by GiantJim on Nov 20, 2006 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
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If somebody had signed Casey to that deal as a stopgap or something while waiting for a prospect down on the farm and not worrying about contending in that season I'd have no problem. Hell, I wouldn't have minded the Giants signing him; he's not an above-average player and I'm tired of our unending supply of powerless first baseman, but it's not nearly as bad as the other deals being tossed around.
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And it's not like the Giants have anything to lose by waiting the market out.
YOU'RE CRAZY!
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The money will dry up after a few more elite signings (Matsuzsaka, Lee, Drew, Zito, Schmidt). If the Giants hold out, a decent starter (Suppan, Lily, Padilla, etc..) could fall into reasonable territory, let alone the Durhams and Aubrey Huffs of the world.
They have nothing to lose by waiting. Also, I don't think Bonds will be willing to sign until close to the Dec. 7th arbitration date.
by GiantJim on Nov 20, 2006 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants provide evidence to the Contrary
Had Sabean been a little more aggressive earlier, he would have spent less and got the better pitcher, in my opinion -- Loaiza.
The feeling here is that there is a frenzy for the top players, but when those are gone, there are still a mess of teams that have to pull the trigger on SOMETHING.
That's when chumps start getting OTHERWORLDLY money.
But, I suppose, every year is different.
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The Angels waited the market out, and they were rewarded in mid-February when Jeff Weaver signed a one-year deal worth 9M. Granted, Weaver pitched like crap for them, but the fact remains that he was expected to sign a deal closer to 4 year and 40M.
You wait the market out and you get a Weaver
Loaiza signed a month before Morris. The Giants had waited, and the list of effective pitchers was getting pretty thin.
The only saving grace in the disastrous Angel strategy was the one-year deal -- expensive, but over quickly.
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The Weaver signing was 100 times better than the Morris deal.
You don't give him enough credit
Weaver cures cancer, sweeps Republicans out of Congress.
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Sometimes hard is not enough
The time-honored way to beat tight-fisted Billy Beane and the Oakland A's is to outbid them. Sabean lost this battle.
And the frequent winner Beane wins again.
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Loaiza had that one good season with the White Sox then lucked into pitching at RFK Stadium which was a huge pitchers park that season and Oakland helps too, plus particularly helps RHP by depressing LHH HR power. ERA on the road the past three seasons: 5.00, 4.71, 6.08. He's a Tomko at best, variably good when he's on, but mainly mediocre. I was SOOOOOOOOO glad when the A's won the bidding for him over us, it was the feeling I had when I learned the Giants released Neifi the first time (then ruined by signing him to a contract...)
Weaver I've never understood why people think he's so good. He's not an elite pitcher, which is how some people see him, he's been lucky pitching for two extreme pitcher's parks, Detroit and LA. His road ERA the past 4 years have consistently been a mid-4 or worse, and 6 of his 8 career seasons plus over 4 ERA in 7 of 8. He's a nice pitcher but even over a half season, he's very rarely dominated.
Morris, even with surgery and other injuries along the way, he dominated in the first half of 2005, just months after shoulder surgery, he was an elite pitcher for half a season, 3.10 ERA, at age 30, which is better than any half season that Jeff Weaver has ever had in 8 seasons, 16 different half seasons, the best he could do was his great year in 2002, with a 3.43 ERA, he had only 4 under 4.00, only that one under 3.50.
And I'm not even counting all the seasons Morris had before his arm surgery when he was arguably one of the top pitchers in the majors - I know those days are gone and he's not the fire-baller he once was, he's now a pitcher.
Now you can argue the horrible numbers Morris had in the second half of 2005, but given that he had surgery just the November before, he most probably tired out from lack of physical stamina because he could not really start working out because of the shoulder surgery until just before spring training started. You don't go normally from being so dominating to so hittable in the same season unless there's a physical reason. The same thing appeared to happen this season, he was dominating from mid-May to mid-July, but then again took a big dive, which was reported related to broken ribs - I would still like to know where those came from, as his performance suggests it started in July, not August as they had reported.
I wholeheartedly believe that Morris is a better pitcher than either Loaiza or Weaver, the major question is whether Morris can be healthy enough to prove that. I think taking on that risk was and is worth it, better to take a chance on excellence than to settle for proven mediocrity that is Loaiza and Weaver.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 21, 2006 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
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The talent pool has been crappy for the past 5-8 years.
Contract(shrink) each league by one team in year one, and the following year do it again.
Redistribute the players, if wanted.
Listen to the Union moan, groan, roar, etc.
Better quality baseball the result.
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by MayDay on Nov 19, 2006 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
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The FA pool sucks because teams are more willing to sign their young stars to extensions in exchange for buying out their first couple years of free agency (I suspect) and FA's are demanding longer contracts (this one I'm pretty sure of). The result is that players are hitting the market the first time at a later age, and not hitting it again until they're about ready to retire.
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Turn that equation around
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But not in the usual way, in which we wonder what Reggie Jackson and Joe Morgan would command; instead I wonder what Claudell Washington and Joel Youngblood would command.
Mark DeRosa money, at least.
to quote Charlie Brown: sigh
by VidaWantsYourCar on Nov 20, 2006 3:45 PM PST reply actions

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