Completely unfounded Rotoworld predictions
So rotoworld.com has this list of predictions regarding all of the top free agents this offseason:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=26761
They have the Giants getting:
Bengie Molina (Blue Jays) - Prediction: Giants - one year, $4 million
Sean Casey (Tigers) - Prediction: Giants - two years, $13 million
Ronnie Belliard (Cardinals) - Prediction: Giants - two years, $8.5 million
Pedro Feliz (Giants) - Prediction: Giants - three years, $18 million
Barry Bonds (Giants) - Prediction: Giants - one year, $10 million
Jose Guillen (Nationals) - Prediction: Giants - one year, $5 million
Jeff Suppan (Cardinals) - Prediction: Giants - four years, $36 million
Danys Baez (Braves) - Prediction: Giants - three years, $12 million
Obviously this is just rampant speculation on their part, with little real insider knowledge, but would you be happy with this potential lineup/pitching staff? If they really did make all these moves, getting mostly veterans with short-term deals to patch their numerous holes, would the Giants be competitive? Or more importantly, is it prudent to continue to put off the rebuilding process with these types of deals?
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Re: Completely unfounded Rotoworld predictions
by multiphasic on Nov 13, 2006 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Nov 14, 2006 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by leftymalo on Nov 14, 2006 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one.
by multiphasic on Nov 14, 2006 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Nov 13, 2006 10:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Feliz signed for 3 yrs 18 mil. If Brian Sabean were to do this, I'd contribute towards putting a contract out on his life.
Suppan for 4years, 36 mil. At least Matt Morris was once a top notch pitcher. This for freaking Suppan. I'd rather watch Misch lose games at least with a rookie you figure the team can put the money towards a new player. This is just bad.
Ronnie Belliard 2 yrs, 8.5 mil. Either we resign Ray, grab Richie for a year, or put the Kid in at 2nd. This is like trying to decide between the hot chick who is kind of a bitch, and the really cool chick who is kind of ugly and opting for a third chick who is kind of ugly and kind of a bitch.
Bengie Molina. I guess I don't understand why his name keeps coming up. He is a hacker with pop that he put up in Toronto and he doesn't have much for an arm. We already have a hacker with pop and not much arm working for 330k per year. Plus ours has a set of teeth that look like that dude Jaws from the 70's James Bond movies. And he used to be a boxer so he's a good guy to have around in a brawl.
The other signings are not too bad. The Casey sign is risky, but there's just a chance that Casey was put on Earth to hit at AT&T park (he's put up huge numbers in a decent sample size so far) and besides, what other 1B options are there. Guillen for a 1 year show me what you can do contract is decent. Baez isn't that appealing but we have no one to even think about closing games and the options are slim.
However, I'd be very happy to see B-Squared back in the city by the bay for one last hurrah at the reasonable price of 10 per year.
by orangeandblackattack on Nov 13, 2006 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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The only deal I really wouldn't like would be Suppan, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
That Molina contract would be fine, but I bet he holds out for more years.
I'd rather see Linden or Lewis than Guillen, whose attitude I wouldn't want on a young team.
It sure wouldn't leave much money to play with in 07.
by irwin on Nov 13, 2006 11:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by stevieg on Nov 13, 2006 11:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by out machine on Nov 14, 2006 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fireworks Display in the Distance
It adds interest to the view from the ballyard when the Giants are getting drubbed.
by Moggeee on Nov 14, 2006 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Fireworks Display in the Distance
by Snof on Nov 14, 2006 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by sfgiants114 on Nov 13, 2006 11:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Keenlow on Nov 13, 2006 11:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I don't think Soriano or Lee will be a good investment, but would you rather pay one of them $19M a year or pay Feliz, Suppan and Baez $19M a year? Or light yourself on fire?
by Pants Man on Nov 13, 2006 11:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Nov 13, 2006 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Nov 14, 2006 6:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Nov 14, 2006 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by lunaticfridge on Nov 14, 2006 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Nov 14, 2006 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Akinori Iwamura anyone? if not, (and probably not) Aurilia or Helms would do just fine.
by April3rdLifeBegins on Nov 13, 2006 11:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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The good thing about this is that none of these signings really fit in the "new direction" plan (whatever that means), as it seems like most of these guys would just be stop-gaps so that we can field a team next year. That lineup and team would be lucky to win 70 games next year, so if thats what it comes down to, Sabes should be fired.
by joebirdie3 on Nov 14, 2006 12:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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My only two quibles are Molina's contract length (Sabean would give him at least 2 and an option) and the enormousness of Suppan's deal (no GM is that stupid, right? Right?!).
by Bhaakon on Nov 14, 2006 1:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Agree about Molina. I figure three years. Otherwise the predicted contracts aren't as bad as my guesses (except for Feliz). Casey, Belliard, Guillen and Bonds are short and almost reasonable. Baez and Suppan are within market parameters and oh so Sabean.
Here were my cynical but realistic predictions:
Feliz 3 year $13 milllion
Durham 2 year $16 million
Bonds 1 year $11 million
Molina 3 year $16 million
Matthews 4 year $26 million
Aurilla 2 year $6.5 million
Lilly 3 year $21 million
Nomar 2 Year $15.5 million
Baez 3 Year $12 million
Stanton 2 Year $2.5 million
Aurilia is extranious but I'm guessing Sabean wants a veteran super-sub in there.
by GiantJim on Nov 14, 2006 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Sounds about right.
by Salemicus on Nov 14, 2006 4:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Nov 14, 2006 5:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Sean Casey (Tigers) - $6.5 million
Ronnie Belliard (Cardinals) - $4.25 million
Pedro Feliz (Giants) - $6 million
Barry Bonds (Giants) - $10 million
Jose Guillen (Nationals) - $5 million
Jeff Suppan (Cardinals) - $6.5 million
Danys Baez (Braves) - $4 million
Is it just me, or do those numbers add up to more than the $45 million magic figure? PHEW!
by WalrusMan on Nov 14, 2006 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Get me off this crazy thing!
by Pants Man on Nov 14, 2006 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Why we would go with Suppan over Lilly or Guillen over Burrell I don't understand. I like the idea of Casey and Bonds but if we get Baez I'll take a leave of absence from work, fly home, research the most likely neighborhood Sabean hangs his hat, patrol the area until there is a sighting, follow him to his favorite starbucks, then "accidently" spill a mocha latte on his head. five times.
by redhornet78 on Nov 14, 2006 9:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I think Suppan makes more sense than Lilly primarily because Lilly is left handed. Having a rotation of three lefties (assuming Lowry and Sanchez are both part of that rotation) is like playing with fire.
As for the rest of the predictions: someone else here said it best: I may be disappointed by them, but none of them would surprise me the least. As the majority as well, I like the Molina and Bonds contracts. Baez and Suppan's contracts would be "okay" if they were each a year shorter (at least). The 4M a year Baez takes in is about right for a closer that isn't quite a closer, as some relief pitchers get a lot more.
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2006 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Well no, I'm not. But damnit!
by Aadik on Nov 14, 2006 10:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Snof on Nov 14, 2006 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by mxmob33 on Nov 14, 2006 10:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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But the writer at least thought things out, and Baez would normally be a Sabean type of signing.
Nothing much more to add above other's rantings about the deals, other than: Ewww!
Casey would be an upgrade over Hillenbrand and that looks about what Hillenbrand would get, so it is not horrible, plus by then either EME or Ishikawa should have proven whether they are ready or not for 1B.
Frandsen over Belliard, anyday.
We've taken too many crappy players from the Cards over the past couple of years, so I say stop the bleeding.
Go with as many one year deals you can get away with and spend the money next season on the good stuff. I think Sabean is looking to Japan for his next closer, maybe not this season, but soon.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 14, 2006 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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At least given Sabean so credit, he hasn't gotten players who totally blown their chance to play, they might have been over the hill, but none that I can think of had abjectly failed the season before.
Neifi Perez?
Also check out JT Snow's stats with the angles.
by zenbitz on Nov 14, 2006 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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You got me on Neifi though, forgot about him (would still like to forget about him :^).
Though, in my defense, the only reason you get Neifi is because you want great defense at SS plus OK enough offense for an 8th place hitter, and while he had a very poor offensive year in 2002, he still delivered the great defense so he wasn't a total loss. Baez you only get to be a closer or maybe setup reliever and he failed both miserably, both with the Dodgers and the Braves, he was a total loss.
But I will concede Neifi and modify my statement to "normally Sabean don't pick up a total failure like Baez, at least for a prominent role like closer or any starting role."
I still think he's turning Japanese and getting a closer-type from there, or at least a good set-up guy.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 14, 2006 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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As for closer types, why not go back to the Giants' legacy well and grab Justin Speier, he's probably the best bullpen guy on the market this year.
by Roger on Nov 14, 2006 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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But in Fonzie's case, he unfortunately had a rebound, contract year before he signed, if I remember right, masking his decline a lot. But yes, he certainly did have a lot of questions marks that unfortunately came true.
But Morris' 1st half of 2005 was as dominating as they come for someone who cannot strike out a lot and it made sense to me that he just ran out of steam because he had his surgery in Nov of the previous year, which meant 6-8 weeks of rest before he could start re-conditioning his arm, then spring training came up, so I thought he just ran out of steam and strength because he didn't have the whole off-season to keep his arm in good shape to last a whole season.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 14, 2006 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Snow's line from 1996: .257 .327 .384.
In 155 games. OPS+ of 81.
That is utter and complete failure for a 1B - now admittedly, this was a down year.
And just to pile on, Neifi only gives you enough offense for an 8th place hitter if your team plays in AA.
by zenbitz on Nov 14, 2006 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 14, 2006 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Assuming we don't re-sign Ray-Ray, Belliard is an OK substitute for the right money. He's got a bit of pop but limited range at 2B. Not much of an OBP either.
My main concern is that Belliard is listed at 5'8", 180, but i'd put him more like 5'7", 230. The guy is rotund. Looks akin to a manatee on the bases. Not too good for a 32-year-old 2B sparkplug...more like a fireplug. That's also why he hits into a ton of GIDPs.
I can already hear his hammies snapping in the cold April evening air.
Of course, he's got the all-important, savvy WS experience. Even if he went 0-12.
by leewhee on Nov 14, 2006 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the sad truth
by wjackalope on Nov 14, 2006 12:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by WalrusMan on Nov 14, 2006 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Hey, maybe the prospects we got back would have turned out to be nothing but at least we would have gotten something back.
by camwoody on Nov 14, 2006 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It still seems impossible
All hope of winning the division was CRUSHED by Aug. 10, but by then it was too late to do the deals.
I was for trading Durham and Schmidt at the deadline, this year and LAST.
by Moggeee on Nov 14, 2006 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Fog City Blues on Nov 14, 2006 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2006 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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A hometown "discount!" Seriously, I think the Giants are blinded by his RBI totals, his power, his versatility, his good defense, and the fact that he's a known quantity. That he consumes a frightening amount of outs isn't a big hang up in Sabean's eyes.
Ok, maybe the 4/$28 estimate is a bit too high. Maybe today's Juan Pierre rumor ($10 million a year for Juan effing Pierre??) has my sense of the market all out of whack. But I still think it will be more than 3/$18.
by Fog City Blues on Nov 14, 2006 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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