Bochy
I can understand a lack of enthusiasm with Bruce Bochy. He's about as exciting as Warriors preseason basketball on the radio. Trust me on that one, as that's how I avoided listening to Joe Buck and Tim McCarver. But the end of the world? Absolutely not. Did you see some of the other names being thrown around? Tony Pena. Jerry Manuel. Bob Brenly. Those are all managers who would bring a Scrabble dictionary into a game of Battleship, and who don't have the experience or zip to make you hope they'd make up for any strategical shortcomings. Those would be train wrecks. Lou Pinella? In what world would that have made sense?
Really, in the 6,201 games I've seen Bochy manage against the Giants, I haven't noticed him. That's a great sign. I think. If he were a total goof, I'd hope I would have noticed. Batting Brian Giles eighth, or putting Russell Branyan at short; stuff like that would probably grab my attention. Without that kind of obvious lunacy, it's hard to get too excited one way or the other. Here's an important point, though: Padres fans are actually caring. There's a sizable faction expressing regret that Bochy is leaving, and most are wishing him well. If there's one person who thought it was a good idea to have Felipe Alou back for another season, they're still waiting for the right moment to come out. When Dusty Baker left, there was a similar case of synchronized shrugging. It has to say something about a long-time manager when he isn't openly mocked by a fanbase after a decade in the same town. He's almost universally popular among his former players, too.
The most important thing for the Giants to have considered was how the new manager was going to handle young pitching, as that's about the only thing the Giants have going for the future. The Padres club Bochy took over in '95 had a good young core of Alan Benes, Joey Hamilton, and Andy Ashby. They weren't abused, and went on to careers of varying success. The Padres have had some top young pitching prospects under Bochy's watch. Jake Peavy became one of the best pitchers in the game. Dennis Tankersley wants to know if you'd be interested in refinancing your mortgage, because he has some super rates. Praising or blaming Bochy for one or the other would be silly.
But it's a huge plus that he's not an arm shredder. A team hoping to develop Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, and Jonathan Sanchez has to be wary of a chaw-munching old skewwwl manager ready with the red pansy stamp for any pitcher who dares to report a shoulder twinge. Jake Peavy has never thrown over 130 pitches for any start in his career, and has thrown over 120 just four times. Part of that is Peavy being so efficient, and another part is that Bochy's had some great bullpens. Still, that's an impressive display of workload consideration. Compare that with Dusty Baker allowing Mark Prior to average 127 pitches in the last month of Prior's first full major league season. On this basis alone, Bochy would be a defendable choice.
There are certainly a bunch of red flags. One of the disagreements Bochy had with Kevin Towers this year had to do with Vinny Castilla. Towers didn't want Castilla to play so much. Bochy expressed his Platonic man-love for Castilla. Castilla was released. That Bochy wanted to stick with Castilla was bad, but it wasn't as if the Padres were holding back a young George Brett. Still, that's a veteran-first philosophy that could use some tempering in the new Giant era. And every manager is going to have his way of driving the hardcore crowd up the wall. Dex, from the great Gas Lamp Ball, had this to say:
Unfortunately, he also does some really crazy things. The same way that Alou has a fixation with pitching changes late in the game, Bochy will never allow a right handed hitter to face a left handed pitcher and vice versa. The most damning example was the game where he played third string catcher Miguel Ojeda in right field over Xavier Nady because of the matchup consideration.
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Re: Bochy
my god...those same idiots got ripped off mightely for a downtown stadium with poor lines of sight and dimensions that made it a park that no fa wanted to come and play in.
kevin towers has trashed their farm system worse than sabean has done to ours
bochy has been a part of their org for many years, so of course they are gonna miss him....hes like a part of their family...but please, dont use their opinions as meaning anything
what about bochy pitching around a hacking pete to get to lazer??
and my god, the last thing i want to hear is how he works with vets
if bochy is gonna be your man, why spend the past few months talking about a change in org philosophy???
its all horseshite grant...big steaming wads of horseshite
by bacci40 on Oct 27, 2006 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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i believe that fans woulda been patient with a wotus, wash or an acta...they will not be patient with a bochy, and the org knows it...which means it back to the win now bullshit
fuck....im gonna die before this team gets it right and wins a ws
by bacci40 on Oct 27, 2006 12:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Grady Little
Buck Showalter
Kevin Kennedy
It means about as much as a Gold Glove, and is just as easy to take out of context. I really have no idea how Wotus would have managed.
And I seriously, seriously doubt the Giants were going to go into rebuilding mode with one manager and win-now with another. This isn't a organizational roster to rebuild with. This is a team that needs to get some offense -- young, old, animal, plant, mineral, whatever -- and build around its young pitching. They were never going to go with a Linden/Lewis/Schierholtz outfield, nor should they have.
by Grant on Oct 27, 2006 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Bochy is not some explosive nut alá Pinella, Bowa, or Billy Martin. He gets along with his players and seems to motivate them to do well. Beyond what I certainly thought the Padres teams he has managed should have done. He is a known quantity that - and here is the big if - if he is given enough talent to work with will keep the Giants in competition.
I'm not going to throw a celebration for his hiring, but neither are I going to slit my wrists as it seem others in some of these Bochy threads are on the verge of doing.
Good post, Grant. I'm always appreciative of a little sanity when discussing the Giants.
by Sayhey on Oct 27, 2006 1:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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winning the division in the past two years through a war of attrition?
they brought on bochy cuz they are bringing back bonds, and now no one can make fun of the size of bonds head, cuz bochy's noggin is twice the size
manager bobblehead
by bacci40 on Oct 27, 2006 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't try this at the ARCO
But I can't help lobbing around cannisters of gasoline.
by Moggeee on Oct 27, 2006 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 27, 2006 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Oct 27, 2006 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
History's Mysteries
by Moggeee on Oct 28, 2006 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2006 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 27, 2006 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2006 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by MeSoKrabby on Oct 27, 2006 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If Sabean gives him a decent team, I'm sure he'll be fine. It may be important to keep the Steve Finleys and Vinny Castillas of the world off the team though. There are a lot of managers who would fall into that trap.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 27, 2006 6:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by John Tamargo on Oct 27, 2006 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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But many of us (some of us?) were hoping Sabean would seize this opportunity to emphasize a new organizational direction, and he has clearly (allegedly) not done that. There may yet be a new direction and long-term outlook, but this doesn't signal that and arguably signals just the opposite.
Bruce Bochy: you know, for a large-headed guy, he doesn't lose much.
by Lyle on Oct 27, 2006 6:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by MeSoKrabby on Oct 27, 2006 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 27, 2006 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But why can't the Giants just be like the A"s (and probably other organizations)? Pitch count and use of relievers should an orgnizational dictum. Why do you have to pay and old school player's manager $2.5 million to do this? Macha did a very good job of handling his pitchers, particuarly his relievers, for $650,000.
Acta, Wotus, Black, etc.. couldn't do the same? As they say, it ain't rocket science.
I havn't noticed a brillant handling of young pitchers during Bochy's regime, however I give him a lot of credit for their bullpen's success, something I think that you can attribute (at least somewhat) to the manager. Although, I also thought Dusty always did a good job with the bullpen.
by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Oct 28, 2006 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players Manager
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by wilriv21 on Oct 28, 2006 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Oct 28, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Sweeney is the kind of FA Bochy attracts
by wilriv21 on Oct 28, 2006 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Let's all hope that the Padres roster construction during the playoffs was dictated by the upper management and not by Bochy, otherwise we've got a case of "IloveVerteranitis" once again...
by Poe on Oct 27, 2006 6:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Aadik on Oct 27, 2006 7:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melon?
However, I'm not impressed by this signing at all and I don't like what it represents to us fans. A new direction? Where? Veteran savvy? Whatever that means. Great, so he gets along with veterans. If getting along with people is a noted plus for a manager and we're praising Bochy for it, we're in a shit sandwich. A manager's SUPPOSED to get along with his players!
I agree with Grant that Bochy's a neutral hire and he's mixed his young players with his established players on the field fairly well. But, I don't give him too much credit for happening to have one of the game's great young pitchers (Peavy) and for this player having performed well.
As I've noted, I really wanted a new direction and would've been willing to risk Acta or Black. Might they fail? Sure, but I'm willing to risk some failure for the overall success and rejuvenation of the franchise vs. three years of mediocrity followed by us revisiting this same topic in 2009. Do I foresee Bochy as the breaking point of success vs. mediocrity? No, he's just the manager. But I see this signing by Magowan and Sabean as evidence that neither are willing to take a calculated risk (players, manager, style-of-play) to improve the franchise as others around us are adapting (Dodgers' or Rockies' youth/DiamondBacks' farm system). I don't want more of the same for the foreseeable future.
I don't blame Bochy for wanting to manage the Giants. It'd be a great job and that would be silly. I do, however, blame Magowan and Sabean for selecting Bochy so quickly that it gives me the impression that they wanted him all along, that they never intended to start in a new direction post-Bonds, or that they wanted to inspire us. In fact, if I dare say, I believe that at some point the fan base is going to rise up against Magowan. The hiring of Bochy isn't going to ruffle too many feathers because he's just so...plain. But, our ownership meddling and tinkering with veterans and bullshit claims of "win-right-now" are placing the stability of the franchise in a precarious spot. As the NL West is getting younger and more dynamic, the Giants are opting for, oh hell here I go..."staying the course."
...and how is THAT going to excite me as a fan?
by Kent on Oct 27, 2006 7:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Melon?
Seriously, according to one account, Wotus is Magowan's favorite but he was leaving the hire entirely in Sabean's hands, so Magowan apparently wants it known that this is all on Sabean if it doesn't work.
And it is too soon to speculate what this means about the "youth movement". Sabean said that the team will get younger as they rely on their prospects more and fill in other roster spots with veteran players. He has actually been making the team younger the past two seasons, as a significant percentage of the 25 man roster, particularly the pitching staff, is now made up of products of the farm system (and that isn't including the players obtained with products of the farm system). I suggest waiting to see how he constructs the roster before we start slinging the accusations.
That said, I'm still disappointed by this move, but will move on as, unless stuff comes out like the Wally Backman case, he's going to be our manager for the next 3 seasons. As Grant nicely put it, it isn't the worse thing in the world, which is like one of my friend's saying, "it's better than a stick in the eye!" I think it says volumes that he hasn't stuck out - for good or bad - as a manager.
And why give us all the crap about how he's going to talk with candidates who don't have MLB managerial experience, if he then goes out and says that, at the end of the day, experience was the most important factor in his selection. If so, say so, don't lead us on thinking that Acta, Wotus, or Black had some chance: they were just backup in case no experienced manager took an interest in our team that Sabean liked. But the way he phrased it - and he is like a libel lawyer in the care he takes in phrasing his responses - it implied that the inexperienced would be equally considered. Well, they were not if experience won the day again.
But he's here and we'll just have to make the best of it.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 27, 2006 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by esfads on Oct 27, 2006 7:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Fucking fucked-up, fuck-face, tard-fucked so-called strategist managers with this retardomatic addiction to L-R matchups.
This fucking deal has Magowan's, not Sabaen's, handprints all over it. It just reeks of Little Richie-Petey's mindset of going with over the hill nipple swingers with name recognition.
Don't be surprised when the Giants sign Vinnie Castilla to be the 2007 version of El Dopo.
I can just hear/see it now oozing from Magowan's piehole:
Whats just as important to our fans is that Cha Cha bowls, Garlic Fries, and Spray-Can Brie and Crackers, pricing will remain unchanged in the luxury box section. We thought that this would be a good time to announce this show of faith with our loyal fan base.
You know its going to happen, even though you hope it won't. Right?
by E Ticket on Oct 27, 2006 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I get the impression this post would have been made no matter who was hired, only the particular strategy singled out would have changed.
by Stoned Slacker on Oct 27, 2006 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 27, 2006 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Oct 27, 2006 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sfgfan on Oct 27, 2006 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 29, 2006 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I think that the biggest part of that equation will lie at the feet of our, ahem, pitching coach. Who unfortunately, appears to be returning in 2007, along with every other member of the coaching staff. I certainly wouldn't look for any huge changes in the handling of the pitching staff, or much else. Maybe the players won't have to wear ties on the airplane.
Other than that, it sure seems like Sabean and Bochy were love at first sight, no?
by sinkerslider on Oct 27, 2006 8:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 27, 2006 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by mxmob33 on Oct 27, 2006 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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The best way to keep mediocre old players off the field is to keep them off of the roster, and I fear that Sabean is going to fail miserably at that this winter.
by Pants Man on Oct 27, 2006 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And ANOTHER thing
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2006 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Oct 27, 2006 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Why is Alderson like that? He isn't speaking.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 27, 2006 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then when do the roses arrive?
The most optimistic thing I have read about this guy is that he doesn't burn out young arms. Couldn't management just mandated that to any new hire? Also read he has a quick hook. So now the bullpen is going to be used more often, games will be longer and more need for either two or three lefties in pen.
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2006 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Then when do the roses arrive?
Of course, that was with the Padres great bullpen whereas Felipe had our's.
And yes, you got it basically right, we are getting the Padres sloppy leftovers of a manager, who was scheduled to be a dead manager managing for the 2007 season until he got this reprieve. That's another reason I don't like the move, the Padres could have been a mess with him at the helm in 2007, though I suspect that if no one bit on Bochy, Alderson would have fired him by the GM meetings, er, Tower would have... It was worth a try talking with him, just to let the players know what the situation is in SD.
Do you do everything mandated by your manager/job/teacher? Just like the Giants could not mandate that Durham follow our trainer's prescribed regiment, whoever you hired could do something that they feel is better NOW, like that Supreme Court Justice, Earl Warren, who was suppose to be conservative but then changed his mind, oops, sorry Ike, like ya, but ya know?
And is that a new rumor, is Pete Rose coming to join the team with his son, Jr.? I would bet that he won't be joining, though I hear he's offering good odds that he will join. But I would take him as batting coach, he was one of the best hitters of my youth.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 27, 2006 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I do everything mandated
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2006 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Do I do everything mandated
There are people who lie on their resumes all the time or exaggerate their accomplishments. For example, one of my former bosses put on his resume that he was a founder when he was really just one of the first employees of the company.
Citizens expect a higher standard of conduct from their elected officials and yet there are sex scandals every year, or expenses that were unwarranted or extravagent. A local politician here, running for mayor, was exposed to have spend tens of thousands of dollars for membership in organizations that he clearly joined so that he could network and gain support and money, he was not joining to "meet the people" or anything like that, what type of a joke is that? Then what was that guy thinking, text messaging those sexual conversations to underaged pages? I think politicians by now should know that the electorate frowns upon verbal sexual foreplay with underaged pages.
Which leads into sexual harrassment, which by now people should know better, but don't. There is news every month or two, if not more often, of some lawsuit. And this is very clearly mandated by most companies today because of the litigious nature of our society.
And then there's the ordinary things like driving and even walking on the street.
Sadly, there's more examples of how people regularly don't do everything mandated. People's hearts are mainly in the right place normally and probably intend to do everything mandated, but for whatever reason, don't. For a great example of that, you just have to look at marriage and the promises made there and how those sometimes turn out, lots of very simple mandates there and yet lots of divorces.
There's no one who does all that is mandated, we are all human and there's no way any of us can be perfect like that and do everything right. I would hope that any person would do what they promise to do in an interview or hiring, but I know that 100% is not reasonable to expect.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 29, 2006 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by wilriv21 on Oct 30, 2006 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: And ANOTHER thing
by rxmeister on Oct 28, 2006 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm umm....
by WalrusMan on Oct 27, 2006 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Bochy
I don't know enough about Bochy to have an opinion, but The Baron tells me that he pitched around Helton while Helton was chasing .400. Now why would he do that?
Otherwise, it's all fine.
by tk on Oct 27, 2006 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 27, 2006 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Oct 27, 2006 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Bochy has had only one managing job before this, and is only leaving because Alderson wants his own guys, but is too lame to just fire him and eat the contract. Bochy's Padres did reach a World Series, where they happened to run into one of the most dominant squads of all time. Criticizing Bochy for not beating the '98 Yankees is not terribly damning. With Dusty Baker, you can make the argument that his decisions backfired. Can't really do that with Bochy in '98.
I don't need flamboyance from my field manager. Quiet competence will be just fine. Bochy is probably going to provide that.
Now, let's move on to the dozen or so decisions that are all FAR more important to the Giants than the field manager. Who is going to fill in all the free agent holes? Each of those guys is going to have a bigger impact on the W-L record, probably, than Bruce Bochy.
by Skaldheim on Oct 27, 2006 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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"I can't say I'm all that excited about Bochy, but the Giants could have done much, much worse."
As fans, the last two seasons have beaten the hope out of us. .500 is now a goal to strive for. We are hoping for the club to be average. Grant's quote captures the helpless Giants fan sentiment of "embracing mediocrity."
Valentine, Pinella, Fergosi, or sticking with Felipe Alou would have been worse. Interviewing Bochy and then not offering him the job would have been brilliant-- basically rattling the Padres cage, dividing their house, and forcing the Padres' hand of (a) sticking with a lame duck manager or (b) letting Bochy go and eating his salary.
If the Giants wanted to concentrate on pitching, how could Bochy be better than Bud Black? I don't think it's too bold of a prediction to think that Bud Black will prove his merit with the A's or Padres in 2007.
What surprises me most, is that I feel bad for Wotus, who I previously argued against as manager. But Wotus at the helm, with a Robby Thompson or Manny Acta or Mike Matheney or even Bob Brenley as bench coach would have been exciting.
The Bochy hiring fits in perfect with Sabean's M.O. -- Overpay for proven veteran mediocrity rather than risk the unknown.
by Kid Fresh on Oct 27, 2006 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I was pulling for Wotus too, he was able to win the PCL when the Giants farm system was pretty barren, and win titles, so I figured that he must know a little something about managing that would be good to nurture here. But now it looks like he'll be going elsewhere, though I will note that he was active in interviewing last year, when it was unknown whether Alou is coming back or not, kind of like my conspiracy theory with Black, but nobody has spoken to him at all thus far, even though there were many positions open. Now that this has happened, he will probably suddenly be available for interviews.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 27, 2006 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by CystedTwister on Oct 27, 2006 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by War on Oct 27, 2006 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I'll save my outrage for when Sabean gives $28 million to Pedro Feliz.
by Fog City Blues on Oct 27, 2006 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SF Pete on Oct 27, 2006 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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For me, Matthews would trouble me more. I have an easier time forgiving overvaluing a known quantity than overvaluing one flukish season.
However, both are capital offenses.
by irwin on Oct 27, 2006 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SF Pete on Oct 27, 2006 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2006 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm looking forward to having a manager that the team actually likes again. There's something to be said for Dusty's approach of having a team willing to play hard for their manager.
Bochy seems to be one of the "good guys" in the game, but certainly isn't a pansy.
For those that insist Barry come back, this is probably a nudge in that direction as Bochy is the only guy among the candidates who I could imagine Bonds even having the slightest bit of respect for.
His teams almost always exceed pre-season predictions and the Giants made a good hire.
So there.
by Goofus on Oct 27, 2006 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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He's just another in a line of tools Magowan and Sabaen have rifled through here in the last 4 years.
In spite of the fact that I get free luxury box tickets just about anytime I want, for the third year in a row, it appears I will be honoring Magowan and Company with my non-attendance.
So there yourself. Neeners.
by E Ticket on Oct 27, 2006 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Oct 28, 2006 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 27, 2006 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 27, 2006 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 27, 2006 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sex with cactus
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 27, 2006 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Check out FSN right now..
by WalrusMan on Oct 27, 2006 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A Few Points..
- Bochy wasn't considering leaving the Padres until the Giants called. Wasn't looking for a change.
- Brian and he discussing the closer situation. He says Benitez has a good arm.
- Was contacted by others but he didn't talk to them.
- Mentioned a terrific shortstop in particular.
- Signing was also because Bochy can attract free agents.
- Decision made about 11 pm last night.
by WalrusMan on Oct 27, 2006 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Oct 27, 2006 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Oct 27, 2006 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figured out how to do that..
by WalrusMan on Oct 27, 2006 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Benitez has a good arm. Great analysis Bochy you did your job.
Sabes, when is Bochy going to call Matsuzaka san? Does he have Aurilia, DeRosa or Padilla on speed dial?
by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2006 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Oct 27, 2006 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Oct 28, 2006 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Works for me.
by ololo3 on Oct 28, 2006 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 28, 2006 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Oct 28, 2006 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Also, most of us said at the beginning that goal No. 1 was to find someone who could help our young pitchers succeed. Bochy seems fine in that department.
by Dan from NM on Oct 27, 2006 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by BondsApologist on Oct 27, 2006 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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(And if you're reading this site, do yourself a favor and just don't...)
by Skaldheim on Oct 27, 2006 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by wilriv21 on Oct 27, 2006 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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shiver
by Poe on Oct 27, 2006 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
comparison, cont'd
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 27, 2006 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Why do you hate freedom, so much?
By the way, those standings aren't the correct standings. I have the correct standings, which I am not showing anybody else and they have the Giants ahead by infinity games.
by GiantJim on Oct 29, 2006 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by ololo3 on Oct 27, 2006 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 27, 2006 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Oct 27, 2006 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I put Draper in the same category as Bruce Magowan when he used to stumble through his broadcasts on KNBR. I part of me wants to severely mock these guys, and a part of me thinks that they're just friendly old hard-working company guys who just might be a little bit retarded.
by Pants Man on Oct 27, 2006 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Punch Rockgroin on Oct 27, 2006 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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"His four playoff appearances are tied for seventh among current Major League skippers" (wooo)
Bochy is "just the fourth Giants manager to be born outside of the United States" (yawn)
He is "the sixth manager in Giants franchise annals who was primarily a catcher during their career" (zzzzzzz...)
Please, the guy has been managing in the big leagues for 12 years and these are the most interesting things they can think of to say about him?
WHO THE HELL CARES?!?
by EliminateMe on Oct 27, 2006 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Bochy is "just the fourth Giants manager to be born outside of the United States"
He is "the sixth manager in Giants franchise annals who was primarily a catcher during their career" "
You've got to be kidding...This was in an actual press release? Who the fuck is thinking these things up?..MoveOn dot Org? The RNC? The KKK?
What's next week?
The Giants announced today the signing of free-agent Gilbert Goolagong. Goolagong is a third cousin by marriage of Evonne Goolagong Cauley, former tennis star. Goolagong is believed to be the first Aborigine to sign a free-agent contract with a MLB franchise. Goolagong has no previous baseball experience, but is an expert with blow darts and was the third string place kicker on the Brisbane University Australian Rules Football Team who once finished in 16th place in a 15 team league. Go figure.
GM Brian Sabaen was quoted as saying that Goolagong will bring savvy veteran presence to the restructured Giant roster in the fhat he is 138 years old and owes his longevity to coffee enemas.
In conjunction with the signing, Managing General Partner, Peter Magowan announced the introduction of new menu items at Payphone Park: Kangaroo-Skin Stew. Cream of Marsupial Mush. Koala gonads on the barbie. Fosters--which as everyone knows is Australian for piss. Magowan declined to quote prices and said that season ticket holders would be notified by mail once they renewed their tickets for the upcoming 3 seasons.
by E Ticket on Oct 27, 2006 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coffee Enemas?
by groug on Oct 27, 2006 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did we mention the Cream of Marsupial Mush
by Moggeee on Oct 28, 2006 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 28, 2006 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Moggeee on Oct 28, 2006 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by non sequitur on Oct 28, 2006 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Her Secret?
by Moggeee on Oct 28, 2006 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
by Natto on Oct 27, 2006 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Oct 27, 2006 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, Nat, HILARIOUS.
by Mayor of 311 on Oct 27, 2006 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Oct 27, 2006 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I think Bochy is the best of the four that the Giants were considering.
Wotus - Sabean and Magowan seem like they're well qualified to judge whether Wotus would be a good manager. Wotus has been in the organization for years. I would think they'd know him pretty well by now. Have any other clubs ever had any interest in Wotus as a manager? How many free agents would jump at the chance to come play for Ron Wotus? Seems like he would have been the just okay, easy on the wallet, we know the guy, choice.
Acta - Everyone is interviewing him. Is it because he's one of the best minority candidates out there or one of the best candidates period? He's been on the short list for the Diamondbacks and Dodgers when they were looking for managers. The Rangers and Nationals are kicking his tires too. Lots of short lists, but no takers yet. I'm sure someone will be gutsy enough to take a gamble on him someday soon.
Black - He wasn't ready last year when the Dodgers briefly pursued him, but he's ready now. He probably would have been a fine choice. Maybe. Who knows? Possibly. Someone will have to sign him to find out. The Giants may have ended up with three pitching coaches between Gardner, Rags and Black.
by attinger on Oct 27, 2006 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 28, 2006 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Handling pitchers
This quote in particular from Friday's San Diego Union-Tribune was sweet music to the ears:
"Boch knows what we do," reliever Alan Embree said. "A lot of managers get you up two or three times a game. If Boch gets you up, you know you're going to pitch. And on those rare occasions where he does get you up a second time, you really know you're going to pitch. He doesn't abuse his players."
The greatest assets the Giants have right now are Cain, Sanchez, Lincecum, Wilson & co. No one knows how Acta, Wotus or even Black would have handled them. Because of his very lengthy record and the wall-to-wall praise of his handling of pitchers we know that Bochy will handle them well. For the last 4 years we had a manager who seemed incapable of taking care of his pitchers, including the young ones, and whose ultimate compliment for a player was to say that "he's become a man". I remember being horrified that the first game after Sanchez was called up from AA (where he had only been shifted to relief a month or so earlier) Felipe had him warm up TWICE - and didn't use him. No more. And thats a very good thing.
by FavoriteSpring on Oct 28, 2006 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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"Down there, when they got him up in the bullpen he was going to pitch for sure," Alou said. "He'll have to get used to that. I'd like to accommodate the kid, but this is the big-league level."
God I'm glad Alou's gone.
by FavoriteSpring on Oct 28, 2006 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Doesn't a player have a say on how he is used? Many are on security of multiple year contracts and hopefully their concerns are heard by pitching coach and/or manager. Sonehow I would think either if not both manager and pitching coach would heed the concerns of his players.
by wilriv21 on Oct 28, 2006 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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This team is penned in in two directions:
- The team has very few good young players.
- The payroll is limited to $85-$90 million.
And Bruce Bochy is going to make a difference?
Isn't the real problem that Sabean never saw this coming? That he never planned for 2004, let alone 2006?
by gdog on Oct 28, 2006 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I don't think you'll see anybody singing the praises of Feliz. Not here. Not there. Not now. Not then. If even ever, not ever again.
Beside the point, though, since that wasn't your point.
There are a lot of holes to fill, and except for first base and catcher I see pretty viable ways to fill them all. The chances that all of those ways actually happen together... slim and slimmer by the day, but it gives me hope.
And then after that it got quite long and more complicated that I care to move forward with, but rest assured it was me being a Sabean Apologist. I just think there are a lot of circumstances by means of which he got stuck in a situation that makes it easy for us to blame him and that we'll see what he's really made of over the next two to three years, assuming he gets that long. So I'll leave it at that, rather than confusing everybody with my pseudo-logic.
by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2006 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But Sabean just hums along, and everybody gets excited that he just hired a new manager for his next losing season. What gives?
by gdog on Oct 29, 2006 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I guess we've just been listening to different people, because I've been hearing the opposite opinions from what you say above from almost all of my people. I remember what Sabean can do, and I think we'll see definitively if he still has it these next two years - as I say, if he gets that long.
by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2006 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Pants Man on Oct 29, 2006 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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