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Open Gameday Thread, 9/21

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We've hashed over the pending free-agent pitchers list ad naseum. Kevin Millwood would be outstanding for a two-year, $4M contract, but Scott Boras did a spit take from 3000 miles away just from my typing that. I'd like to think he's covered in lowfat milk, and doesn't even know why.

Two pitchers who we have left out of the discussion, however, are Daisuke Matsuazka and Koji Uehara. Both are restricted free agents until after 2006, but both could come over after this year in the same way Ichiro! came over to the Mariners. Matsuazka is the guy everybody already knows about. He's 25, and already has an outstanding track record of success; kind of the A-Rod or Vlad of Japanese pitchers.

Uehara, on the other hand, might fly a little bit below the radar. His stats are obscene: a 942/143 K/BB ratio is going to translate well in any country. I feel much more comfortable projecting Japanese pitchers than hitters, so this isn't exactly a Rene Arocha (or Kaz Matsui) situation.

Your pre-game thoughts?

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Ohka, Sasaki, Nomo, Otsuka.

Why no lefthanders from Japan?

All joking aside, taking a flyer on a Japanese pitcher is a great idea. One I hadn't thought of, damnit.

by irwin on Sep 21, 2005 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn
forgot about ishii.

by irwin on Sep 21, 2005 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's Game Day Baby !! The Thread is Open !!
The Giants have their crafty young righthander from Toledo, Ohio (That's a Red State!) warming up in the Nations Capital (That's where George W hangs!!) and you guys are looking for foreign solutions to domestic problems !! hahah.....LOL

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Pre-Game Thoughts
"Hmm.  Should I really try this Rockstar drink?  I didn't pay for it.  But it's fille with sugar.  Yet, it has vitamins.  Or something.  Okay, it was part of a marketing package from Sprint, but it wouldn't hurt to try just one, would it?

"Oh my God, it tastes like ass.  Sugary ass.  Ew.  I'll just put this back in the fridge and get back to work.

"Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance.  I'll have another sip or two.  Wowthis stuff ispretty good!!  I'llhave somemore.  Yep.  Yaknow,youcouldget usedto thetastepretty quick...yeahIdefinitelyseewhytheycall it an 'energydrink' and ohmygod my armhairs are on FIRE...."

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

My roomie ...
Drinks like four of those big cans per day.
Crazy bastard.

by olympicjosh on Sep 21, 2005 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eeek
I could only finish half of one before I gave up.  I can see why people drink so many--the crash hits you VERY fast after you stop drinking it.

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sobe No Fear
More energy (not that you would need any more), without the ass taste.

by mxmob33 on Sep 21, 2005 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alfonzo not starting today...
Feliz at 3B, Niekro at 1B.  Is Fonzie hurt, or is this because of Feliz's career numbers against Patterson (4 for 7 with a walk)?

And WHY IS FELIZ HITTING IN FRONT OF BONDS?

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

well
i think he hit like 360 in the 3 hole last year

by irwin on Sep 21, 2005 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Bonds filled out the
starting lineup card that must have been the way that we wanted it.

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Bonds again??
Holy cow.  This is unreal.

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

So...
that's 4 consecutive games he's homered in, right?

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

707
Thank you for flying Barry Bonds Airways.

"Leeeeeeeavin' on a jet plane!"

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn
I was going to make the 707/plane joke, but my computer is too slow. Friggin GameCast might as well be giving me updates on games from 1992.

by Kitspool on Sep 21, 2005 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woohoo
Go Barry.  Keep hitting homeruns at your, now, one every 5 at-bats.

by Larson2042 on Sep 21, 2005 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

A big F U
to all the barry haters out there.  Damn I missed the big guy.

by bigfly71 on Sep 21, 2005 4:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope
Dan Wetzel from Yahoo! Sports is watching Barry's at-bats strapped to a chair while Lou Seal gives him wedgies.

by Kitspool on Sep 21, 2005 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Lou Seal AND Krazy Krab
They should give him ATOMIC wedgies.

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not supposed to...
....hit homers like this at 41.

....hit homers like this when you haven't played in almost a year.

....play again after having your arthritic knees operated on a million times.

....be able to focus with all the crap he's had to deal with.

Bonds is amazing.

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miller is on fire right now
Making up new names for pitches.  Slider = slide piece.  Changeup = "non-velocity pitch".

And that last pitch was a "grab-some-pine-meat pitch from Hennessey."

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Fastball:
"hard cheese"

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently
a fastball is now a "velocity pitch."

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice
that's the best ive seen hennessey in awhile.

by bigfly71 on Sep 21, 2005 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Barry Bonds.
He gets a high slugging percentage for the Giants.
For NBAphiles: SACKINGSBLOG.com

by tomzilla on Sep 21, 2005 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

what is patterson throwing
His fastball is low 90's, good but not great, but everyone except Bonds is swinging and missing a lot.

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

last time I saw him
It had pretty serious movement - and he has a nice slider as well

by irwin on Sep 21, 2005 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like him
he's been a nice addition to my FBB team this year.  But i'm rooting against him this game. Really.

by absoludicrous on Sep 21, 2005 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

So....
The Giants are 5 back, with 12 to play (includes this game) -- 4 of those are head to head against SD at Petco.

What do you think?

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

oh come on
K&K are marvelling at how Hennessey is going after Guzman with the pitcher on deck. It's CRISTIAN GUZMAN.

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

SD plays ARI away
then SF and LA at home to finish off ... schedule favors them slightly I suppose

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Matsuazka
Isn't he also the guy who was shelved with arm trouble this past year? Because he throws an uber-Livan number of pitches? Isn't he also the guy who threw 249 pitches in a legendary 17-inning HIGH SCHOOL game? He doesn't do any team any good if he's already been overworked and is on an NFL running back's timeline (done by age 29) as opposed to an MLB pitcher's.
venividivixi.blogspot.com

by David A. Arnott on Sep 21, 2005 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Sheesh
Feliz didn't ground into a DP, at least.

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Blast.
I mean, no blast.  A strikeout.

by Skaldheim on Sep 21, 2005 5:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think he went.
I am suprised that they didn't show the angle from the side.
Of course, maybe they didn't show that angle because he went.
Oh well.

by olympicjosh on Sep 21, 2005 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

So lets say...
we lost at most:

1 here in Wash.
1 in Col.
1 in SD.

That would make for a very interesting final homestand weekend :-)

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Feliz
I know this has been mentioned before, but of all F Alou's eccentricities batting Feliz third and especially in front of Bonds is the most unforgivable in my book.  
Lemaster10

by Lemaster10 on Sep 21, 2005 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Must be one of those
"baseball" "save face" things... that only people like Dusty and Felipe understand, I mean you can't bat him 7th can you?

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Feliz
He did bat 7th, either yesterday or the day before.

by Voodoo Chile on Sep 21, 2005 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like moises
He hits shares-a-stadium-with-a-soccer-team doubles for the Giants.

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 5:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't realize...
Niekro is hitting .183/.255/.290 post all-star break.

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

And it's getting progressively worse
OPS by month:

Jun: .865
Jul: .704
Aug: .604
Sep: .417

by Salemicus on Sep 21, 2005 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with Hennessey...
...is that when he gets blown out early, it takes his bat out of the lineup.

Our kids can hit.

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Randy Winn is a super stud
Who hits rbi singles. I love Winn!

by xanthan on Sep 21, 2005 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Pedro
3 pitches
3 swings
1 out

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Bonds....
Swing the bat.  Has Linden been talking to you?
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah
Patterson is only throwing two pitches to him: that fastball to corner and the breaking ball in. Come on! I expect homeruns every AB!

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

He already hit his HR tonight.
Now it's chilin' time.

by olympicjosh on Sep 21, 2005 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

but
His HR:AB ratio is plummeting. Plummeting, I tell you.

He is amazing.

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matheny and Feliz
are the only Giants without hits tonight

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

This will be the 3rd inning
that Hennessey leads off.

Maybe that's not so bad.

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

WL:KFJDSghriugqp9834(@#*$&)???
And also, we*$)(#9oriufh094w$#8982399?~!!!!

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

[gathering composure]
Maybe he should hit in the 3-hole

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hennessey!
We don't need Bonds.....
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

wow
Can we start the hennessey, cain, and lowry batting third talk.

by bigfly71 on Sep 21, 2005 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow
So, Hennsessy and Lowry over Snow and Alfonzo ?

by Aadik on Sep 21, 2005 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Holy shit
We seriously need to keep this guy's bat in the lineup. Think he can play left on day games that follow night games?

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Homer count
Hennessey 2, Trimspa 2.

Snow, you're next.

by groug on Sep 21, 2005 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Felipe is a genius
And I am a fool. I was just about to curse him out for not pinch-hitting, then...

by Salemicus on Sep 21, 2005 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Well.
That was a surprise.

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Good move.
Cause walking Barry worked so well last night.

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Hennessey should be our third baseman.
Lowry can play first.
Now we have power at the corners.

Feliz can play either of those positions every five days when one of the studs needs to start.

We wack Alfonzo.
We make JT our coach.

by olympicjosh on Sep 21, 2005 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

How many times will I hear the words,
"Fly ball to left, Linden gets a late break on it..."

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

It was actually....
"Linden breaks back, now he comes in."

Even worse.

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh man
Felipe's going to send Hennessey out for the 8th? He's in a groove, but his pitch count is high-ish, no?

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

not sure
I'm not keeping score, and as antinous says, the updates have stopped. It was 86 after 6 but I'm pretty sure he was over 100 after the 7th.

Quick first out, though.

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only 102
Not bad.
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's 102
But he hasn't been pitching from the stretch too much. I'd take him out, but the bullpen could use a rest as well.

by Salemicus on Sep 21, 2005 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's pretty young.
I think he'll be fine.  Maybe a complete game.

by Lipssan1 on Sep 21, 2005 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

if it's a long eighth
then it's a moot point. But even if it's quick, it's the heart of the order, such as it is for the Nats, in the ninth. Accardo hasn't pitched in a while, has he?

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm....
Bring in the closer for the 9th?
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Sure
Eyre should be fresh.

...that is who you were thinking of, right? Not... oh...

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

CBS Sportsline has a feed
I can follow it again. Hennessey just threw pitch #110 to get (this year's #4 pick) Zimmerman to fly out.

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Eyre's up....
Of course....
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of Eyre....
Alou....you are kidding me.....
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Not against Vidro
Vidro kills lefties.

(CBS Sportsline seems to have stopped updating as well.)

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not this season
.266 vs. lefties

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The commercial.
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has to do with the Giants
promos that they run endlessly this season... The Women says: Hey Scott can you pick you nose and drink water at the same time while humming the tune dixie? Scott says: Ha HA, I play baseball, its fun, come see us play, etc. etc. etc.

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, yes this season
vs. RHP: .274/.331/.388
vs. LHP: .266/.355/.547

No matter, Eyre got him anyway! :)

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eyre's up.....
Great.....
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

INSANITY
Felipe's going to send him back out for the 9th? With a 4-run lead? And so he has to sit in the dugout, get cold, and then go back out there? Last time he did this was Tyler Walker in St. Louis!!!

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Rest the bullpen arms that need to be rested.
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, I understand
he must want him to go out in the 9th... but hasn't he heard of the double switch?

by Salemicus on Sep 21, 2005 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, he's only got nine bench players left...
...might need them all if this one goes into extra innings.

by EliminateMe on Sep 21, 2005 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure...
...but I think maybe it has something to do with cream of wheat?

by EliminateMe on Sep 21, 2005 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get someone up in the bullpen.
Please....
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Why oh why
can there never be a 1-2-3 ninth?

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Why not save Eyre,
He is your best arm in the bullpen. IMHO

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Noooooooo!
Benitez warming up.....

Why Alou....Why?

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

ROFLMAO
Mando-Bizzaro is up..

by wtfgas on Sep 21, 2005 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't look now...
but Eyre's nose'n in on the Big Guy's turf.

by Running on Sep 21, 2005 6:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Benitez.....
Wonderful.....
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

LMAO some more
here comes 78mph GAS!

WOOHOO

by wtfgas on Sep 21, 2005 6:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Did Accardo run over Felipe's dog?
Did Felipe sleep through last night's game?

What the fuck is the old man thinking?

They're still shitty.

by The Balls of Summer on Sep 21, 2005 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

And now that it's magically a save situation
he must come in.  Nevermind that he looked like shit last night, he's coming off of an injury, we have a 4 run lead, we'll probably need him tomorrow.

The old man has gone crazy.  He doesn't know what he's doing.

They're still shitty.

by The Balls of Summer on Sep 21, 2005 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow....he's got 94 tonight....
Still no control.
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Byrd hitting .184 against Giants
Benetiz throws about 18percent strikes...
good matchup

by wtfgas on Sep 21, 2005 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

the eye-high
84-mph non-sliding slider for strike 3 swinging. Bwahahaha.

by non sequitur on Sep 21, 2005 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Caught looking on a hanging slider
eeehaaaa!  mando msut have moved to a holiday inn express last night

by wtfgas on Sep 21, 2005 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Plan: Batting Practice
He can hit it 600 feet and the Nats' hopes still rest on Cristian Guzman's shoulders.

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I think there's
a velocity-sucking parasite going around the Giants pitching staff this year.

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

4 1/2 back! Woohoo!

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 21, 2005 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah...pump the fist mr clutch
heheheh   mando rules all!  

by wtfgas on Sep 21, 2005 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Sweet....
Totally....
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice!
Okay, I like that save a little better. (Let's see... was it a save? I think so. He entered with the tying run on deck, no?)

by antinous on Sep 21, 2005 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Yup.
Save situation.
Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say "Good"...
then they can pull a Beane and inflate Armondo Rotundo's stats and trade his ass for something worth a damn....

by paleepalou on Sep 21, 2005 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugh... with peavy pitching
quick... cast a spell someone

by wtfgas on Sep 21, 2005 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm, alright.
Abra, Abracadabra
I wanna reach out and grab ya
Abra, Abracadabra
Abracadabra.

Wait, no that's a Steve Miller song....

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2005 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alaca zam Alaca Zoo
Turn Peavy's arm into poo!

poof

by paleepalou on Sep 21, 2005 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

SDG's magic number is 7
This is totally going to go down to the wire. Alou's right. The Giants need to win every game.

by Brother Bummer on Sep 21, 2005 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

i love it
the boo him and bam he hits another homerun. Yesterday was funny but today is just outright hilarious. still....i like how Robinson pitches to him unlike other bitch ass managers
Laterz

by pak54 on Sep 21, 2005 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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