Petition to Fire Felipe Alou

by WalrusMan on Aug 19, 2005 8:20 PM PDT

Maybe this will get somewhere, sign it. I know at least however many members we have will sign it.

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I concur

signed,

by Nick Schulte on Aug 19, 2005 8:32 PM PDT reply actions

Good thing

That we signed this dude for another year

by xanthan on Aug 19, 2005 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Sign the document xanthan!

(Resorting to bully tactics)

by Nick Schulte on Aug 19, 2005 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Signed!

You didn't have to bully me. Heck, I'll sign it twice.

Heres a good question for Giants fans, who would you get to replace Felipe thats currently available?

by xanthan on Aug 19, 2005 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Crazy Crab?

I too tire of breakfast meal brains doing crazy things with the bullpen.

by Larson2042 on Aug 19, 2005 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions

All petitions need bully tactics

It's like a law or a rule of thumb or something to that nature, I think.

by Nick Schulte on Aug 19, 2005 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Even George W. Bush's managing of this country....

Has been better than Felipe Alou's managing of this ballclub.

Disclaimer: The views in the above post are not necesarily the views expressed by www.mccoveychronicles.com and may not be used without written consent of WalrusMan.

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Aug 19, 2005 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Don't tell that to the dead troops

and countless others, but I guess you're allowed a little leeway after that horrendeous display.

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm talking about his managing of this country

No one manages worse than The Dubya

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Aug 19, 2005 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions

He doesn't manage the military?

I guess your just talking about how he's taken the surplus and turned it into the greatest deficeit ever?

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions

IT WAS AN ANALAGY WENT WRONG

Haha, only get one chance here. :D

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Aug 19, 2005 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions

sorry

Just not a big Bush fan, and don't think Felipe is quite that insane.

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions

managers

Bud Black comes to mind, or possibly Brenly.

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions

First choice

is Davey Johnson

Second choice, among the currently available, is Joe Maddon of the Angels, who I've read is super-organized, ultra-methodical, and otherwise perfectly qualified. I'd like to bring some of the Angels' study methods to this team.

venividivixi.blogspot.com

by David A. Arnott on Aug 19, 2005 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions

how about Tracy if he bolts the dogs?

I'd be somewhat Ok w/ brenly, although he's never shown himself to be much of a tactician

by absoludicrous on Aug 20, 2005 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Shut the Hell Up

no Tracy.

TheCasinoGuy.com

by rod beck on Aug 20, 2005 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions

BLOWS MY MIND

WORT MANAGED GAME I REMEMBER SEEING

by ottoutah on Aug 19, 2005 8:34 PM PDT reply actions

Make me number 5 and counting.

Mr. Sabean please spare us this hack of a manager, hell I'll do it for free and do a better job.

Signed,
Faithful(for now) Giants fan.

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 8:37 PM PDT reply actions

Add me to the list

Get us a real manager.

by Voodoo Chile on Aug 19, 2005 8:46 PM PDT reply actions

i have supported alou

all year....until the krug incident

and after tonite, i cannot support even his on field antics

walk was hitting 89 on his fast ball....there is something wrong with his arm....hes gassed

yet alou went to matchups in the 8th....limiting what he could do in the 9th

everytime he has gone to matchups we lose

after the dinger, walk shouldve been lifted

its an ez call, bring in someone fresh with no one on

yup....alou doesnt have it anymore....hes more interested in getting talk show hosts fired

by bacci40 on Aug 19, 2005 8:56 PM PDT reply actions

This would seem to prove your point

Divisional troubles: Alou called the National League West a "Bermuda Triangle" and an aberration, with no definite answers why every team is currently below .500.

"It's a shame," he said. "There are so many good players ... unless there's a manager like me with Cream of Wheat for brains. It's been a strange year."

With the West clubs facing each other over the final month, Alou believes no team will really take charge.

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions

But seriously,

going back to xanthan's question, who would you want to actually replace felipe?

by Larson2042 on Aug 19, 2005 9:02 PM PDT reply actions

I posted

Bud Black and Bob Brenly.

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions

What's wrong

With just the bench coach? Ron Wotus has managed games before when Alou was away.

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Aug 19, 2005 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions

I'd like to see him get a shot at it

Besides Black and Brenly, I can't think of too many others maybe a current ML hitting coach.

by bigfly71 on Aug 19, 2005 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Stick Kruk and Kuip in the dugout!

Would be interesting to see co-managers, they can do the ballgame from the dugout too!

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Aug 19, 2005 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Fire 'im!

Billy Witch Doctor looking MF. How's he going to command any respect now?

I can live without a pennant, just beat the suck Dodgers.

by SerpentX on Aug 19, 2005 9:29 PM PDT reply actions

Do Sabean At the Same Time!

We just witnessed a microcosm of everything that is wrong with this team.

Slow, over-the-hill players.
Horrible, unbelievably horrible managing.
Bullpen blowing chunks.
Horrible managing of the bullpen.
The worst personnel decision of a year that has seen many stupifyingly terrible personnel decisions.

Fire Sabean and Alou tonight!

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 19, 2005 9:47 PM PDT reply actions

I concur

Fire Felipe!

"Don't talk to me about on-base percentage. That sabermetrics stuff gives me a headache." --Brian Sabean

by sharon on Aug 19, 2005 10:08 PM PDT reply actions

Method to his madness!

Felipe's quoted on ESPN: "We have some guys here that have been overworked. The closer's arm, you could see all of those pitches he threw and he didn't throw one quality pitch."

I read that and suddenly I understood! His strategy is to completely blow out Walker's arm, so he'll have to go on the DL, so they can call up some other kid whose arm isn't overworked...yet.

by EliminateMe on Aug 19, 2005 10:18 PM PDT reply actions

So...

He overworks someone for a season, they go on the DL, they suck next year, and we designate for assignment. (See Herges, Brower)

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Aug 19, 2005 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions

hes gonna do it to eyre

eyre has now thrown in 65 games....tops in all the ml

as i recall, brower was lites out last year....and alou beat his arm into a pulp

hes gonna do it to eyre too

the madman must be stopped

by bacci40 on Aug 19, 2005 11:29 PM PDT reply actions

I know...

...and I fear it's going to cost us $6-$7M to watch Eyre rehab over the next two years.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Aug 20, 2005 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Christiansen Quote

Heh. I don't think the bullpen are thrilled with Alou either. The section below comes from the Chron writeup about the game.

Oh, and I'm all for firing Alou...

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/08/20/GIANTS.TMP

"We have some guys here who have been overworked," Alou said, "whose arms are tired."

Christiansen didn't take the comment lightly.

"Really?" he asked. "He's just now figuring it out?"

Alou has gone to the bullpen 389 times this year, tops in the majors. Scott Eyre appeared in his 65th game, also tops in the majors. Afterward, Alou said he's going to give Tyler Walker a few days off because the closer seemed drained.

He's not the only one.

"Of course our arms are weary," Christiansen said. "We're getting run through like a turnstile."

by OrangePalm on Aug 20, 2005 3:36 AM PDT reply actions

He's Destroying Arms

and has to go. Hire Brenly.

by LeMaster on Aug 20, 2005 7:30 AM PDT reply actions

Count me in on the Brenley camp.

I put his name in a couple of posts last week and will stick with it here. I'm a little surprised that he hasn't had a shot recently. Phillip seems to display rather openly "how" he manages. If we're going to have an aging roster (which, by the way, I completely disagree with) then we need a manager capable of flexibility, giving guys days off, using the whole roster regularly. We don't need a guy who, well, manages, like he did in that Cubs game a few weeks back. Why? It's counterproductive and, frankly, it's boring to watch.

Pretty good road trip though...

by Kent @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 20, 2005 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions

I would rather

hire a new manager (preferably one who has succeeded in the minor league ranks) than a retread

Insert sarcastic "witticism" here

by kenshin1 on Aug 20, 2005 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions

no brenley

why does anyone want brenley?

had he not had schill and the unit, he never would have gone to the ws

hes never proven anything at the big league level, and his on field moves could be compared to both alou's and the doofus one

theres a reason hes back in the booth and not managing now....he doesnt have the desire, and no one in their right mind wants him

it would be a disaster if brenley took over this team

fact is, there are plenty of coaches in the org who can take over for alou

but if brenley becomes the manageer....dont say i didnt warn ya

by bacci40 on Aug 20, 2005 7:56 AM PDT reply actions

Absolutely...

People, remember that in 2001, the D-Backs DOMINATED in the WS. The Yanks hit something like .190, and Brenley still did everything he could to give the Series away. There's a reason why he hasn't been hired since leaving Arizona, despite his age and supposed success.

venividivixi.blogspot.com

by David A. Arnott on Aug 20, 2005 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Okay...

...alright, I think that my anti-Caribbean bias is taking hold of me. I can't help but be pulled toward the lunatic fringe. I'm for someone new, someone old, someone fat, someone skinny. I'm just for someone who knows what he's doing and is somewhat flexible. Maybe Brenly isn't the right choice, but the fact that he made decisions a certain way in 2001 doesn't mean that he'd do the same thing now. That's not really a reason not to have him as a manager in the future. Hell, there are a lot of bad managers out there right now.

On another note, how about Joe Torre once he's fired from the Yankees? On another note (part 2), who's Maddon and what do the readers here know about him?

by Kent @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 20, 2005 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Info on Maddon

Begins 12th season on Angels major league staff and 28th campaign with organizationServes as bench coachWas interim manager for Angels in 1999, replacing Terry Collins who resigned Sept. 3, posting 19-10 recordHas had three stints as Angels interim manager, owning overall managerial mark of 33-26 Also became interim manager with Anaheim in 1998, replacing Collins who was suspended eight games in conjunction with bench-clearing incidents in Kansas City, June 2Managerial duties during Collins suspension were handled by committee (Maddon served as interim manager in relation to win/loss records, posting 6-2 mark)In 1996, served as bench coach, first base coach and interim to the interim managerPosted 8-14 record as interim manager, replacing John McNamara who was sidelined with deep vein thrombosis (blood clot) of right calfBecame seventh interim manager in club history and second interim to interim manager (Lachemann was interim to John Wathan, who was interim to Buck Rodgers) in club historyAppointed Californias bullpen coach, May 17, 1994, and moved to fi rst base coaching position in 1995
He's 51 years old. The Angels also have Black, Griffin, and Hatcher I think all potential ML managers.

by bigfly71 on Aug 20, 2005 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Damn,

you know him?

(No grown-ass men named Oral [sic] need to manage the Giants.)

by Kent @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 21, 2005 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions

lol

hey you ask i deliver.

by bigfly71 on Aug 21, 2005 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions

Give Wotus a shot

Before he went to the big club as a coach he was a very successful manager in our minor league system. Why not give him a shot - he has certainly had plenty of years studying big league players and he can't do any worse that old man Alou.

by APGiantsFan on Aug 20, 2005 9:02 AM PDT reply actions

Wotus, Mgr. Trevor Wilson, P Coach. Willie McGee

bench coach

if Tracy doesn't leave LA

oh yeh and fire alou

by absoludicrous on Aug 20, 2005 12:29 PM PDT reply actions

And Willie McGee

can double as "ugly coach" for Brian Cooper

by dangjackson on Aug 22, 2005 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions

How about Jim Leyland?

Heard he wants to make a comeback for a few years. Plus he has horrible experience with Bonds, which I guess is better than no experience.

TheCasinoGuy.com

by rod beck on Aug 20, 2005 12:59 PM PDT reply actions

I forgot...

I'm in for firing Felipe. I liked the guy up until a few months ago, when this team looked waaaaaay uninspired. Not that they weren't before, just overly the last few months.

TheCasinoGuy.com

by rod beck on Aug 20, 2005 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions

He's old(61)

I'd like to see us go with someone younger.

by bigfly71 on Aug 20, 2005 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions

hell felipe's 70 something

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2140201

Anyone like Leyland, there is the Bonds connection but Barry probably won't play '07, and I think Alou stays through next year.

by bigfly71 on Aug 22, 2005 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Potential Managers?

Cecil Cooper(BC w/Astos)
Hal McKrae(HC Cardinals)
Terry Pendelton(HC Braves)
Davey Lopes, Dave Magadan, Tony Muser(all w/ Padres)
Jerry Manuel(FBC Mets)
Joel Skinner, Robby Thompson(w/ Indians)
Orel Hershisher(PC Rangers)
Chris Chambliss(HC Reds)
Ron Jackson, Dave Wallace(HC,PC Red Sox)

Not saying I endorse all these guys, just throwing some name out there.

by bigfly71 on Aug 20, 2005 1:31 PM PDT reply actions

I'd love to see Robby manage

but I think hes pretty happy in Cleveland.

by xanthan on Aug 21, 2005 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Radical thought...

...bring back Dusty.

Seriously.

by Skaldheim on Aug 20, 2005 1:47 PM PDT reply actions

Ugh... If I was Grant, I'd ban you.

by bigfly71 on Aug 20, 2005 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Careful....

Suggesting Hershiser is as egregious, if not moreso.

by Grant Brisbee on Aug 20, 2005 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions

wait

He did pitch for us remember. Doesn't that get him of the hook for being a dodger?

by bigfly71 on Aug 20, 2005 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions

No

They're still shitty.

by The Balls of Summer on Aug 21, 2005 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

I love you too

C'mon, think about it. Does anyone on the Giants, aside from Moises, look like they enjoy playing for Alou? You know the pitchers can't stand him. The hitters can't get in a rhythm because Alou uses 162 different batting orders a season.

With Dusty, the Giants loved playing for him. This is going to sound very old school, but things like that matter. Dusty likes people to be comfortable, which helps them worry only about playing well.

Dusty's having a rougher time in Chicago because Dusty is not a Chicago kind of guy. Cubs fans are insane, and the press is worse. If I were him, I'd welcome a chance to go back to San Francisco. Krueger's gone, and the press here are kittens compared to the ones in Chicago.

It's gotten to the point where Dusty Baker is now an underrated manager. Yes, I mean underrated by all of you.

Thus I throw down my gauntlet.

by Skaldheim on Aug 22, 2005 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm sorry...

but have you noticed that he's slowly going insane? He'd insist on bringing Neifi(!) back with him and batting him leadoff.

venividivixi.blogspot.com

by David A. Arnott on Aug 20, 2005 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions

How would you feel...

Having to watch Texas' pitching staff everyday? I think you would go insane yourself. How about Joe Girardi? Isn't he a bench coach for the Yanks, if I have my old Yankee catchers correctly. I hear he is supposed to be a "great" manager, just a few years away, according to the experts. Gives us just enough time to get rid of Felipe, Sabes and everyone else associated with this horrid club. Too bad Bonds would be gone by then though...

TheCasinoGuy.com

by rod beck on Aug 20, 2005 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Good idea

While I think I would make a fine manager myself, my vote is for finding a way to get Atherton, CA native Bob Melvin. Maybe the Mariners would take Alfonzo in exchange for Melvin.

Coming back to reality, I would promote a minor league coach or Ron Wotus.

by irwin on Aug 20, 2005 9:53 PM PDT reply actions

Pretty sure

the Mariners canned Melvin after 2 bad seasons. Now he is managing the DimeBags to Hidden Ball Tricks. No Thanks.

TheCasinoGuy.com

by rod beck on Aug 21, 2005 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions

"I don't have any regrets about anything I did at any time. I may regret some pitches...but as for pitching, I'd have done things the same way now." -Rob Nen '0

by Hayes on Aug 22, 2005 1:33 PM PDT reply actions