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The best of Giants....

The going away serenade delivered to Marquis Grissom was nothing. That was "don't let the door hit you on the way out", compared to what most Giants fans feel for Kirk Rueter. Like everything else this season, his departure was ugly. That doesn't mean it wasn't time for him to go, but it was not what most of us had hoped.

We all have our favorite Rueter memories, I'm sure. I'll never forget the mild-mannered player, in his first full year as a Giant, striking out Todd Zeile in a crucial moment and screaming like an eared banshee all the way to the dugout. It was not the Rueter we thought we knew at the time, and rarely the Rueter we saw again, but it was so fitting for that magical 1997 season. Shawn Estes had the hot start, and the impressive curveball, but toward the end of the season it was Rueter you trusted. The New York media seems to think a new player has to "earn" their Yankee pinstripes, and the debate follows whether Alex Rodriguez has earned them. It's a bit of a silly concept but, if it must be applied to every team, the strikeout of Zeile and spittle-chinned reaction that followed gave Rueter his Croix de Candlestick.

Through the years, Rueter was an easy punchline for the uninitiated. For those who didn't follow the Giants, he was the soft-tossing junk master with the big contract. A bad pitcher with a fortunate win-loss record. While the on-screen graphics of Best Won-Loss Percentages for Active Left-Handed Pitchers grew tiresome (Pettitte! Randy Johnson! Aaaaaand...wait for it....Rueter!!!! If you missed it this time, we'll put it up for his next start....), he was not a bad pitcher for his career. He was an average pitcher who stayed healthy. There's value in that. And when the fellow is as likeable as Rueter, with the stories of "The Shed" and all that, it was hard not to defend him. The bile would rise to the back of the throat, and through gritted teeth you'd mutter, "He's not bad, you jerk, he's average."

Over the past two seasons that wasn't possible. Rueter was a bad pitcher, and most Giants fans were fighting the guilt of wishing this day to come. The way it went down was pretty much absurd. Rueter was banished to the bullpen, which is new Giants-speak for "you sit in the corner and think about what you've done". After just a handful of appearances, most of them awful, Rueter wanted to leave for a team that would let him start. Makes sense, but the Giants still sat on him for a while, perhaps in case a Brad Hennessey or Kevin Correia really started to stink.

There are two ways this should have ended. One, the Giants get rid of Jason Christiansen, and try Rueter in a role that should be a natural fit: lefty specialist. Send him out there against the Ryan Kleskos of the league in the seventh-inning, and see how it all works out. Rueter's problems over his steep decline can be tied to problems against right-handed hitting, so it makes sense to pick his spots against lefties.

The best way, though, probably wasn't realistic. Wait until the Giants come home, and announce that a certain game will feature Kirk Rueter as the starting pitcher, and that it will be his last game as a Giant. Then, eight-run loss or seven-inning shutout, he could come off the mound to applause and curtain calls and flowers and blown kisses and a gold watch from the team and...and... oh, I don't know... a splinter of pride? Even bad teams need to do their best to win, but after close to a decade of bleeding orange and black, Rueter deserved something.

It's too much to hope for him to catch on to another team and pitch well, because he is genuinely toast, but it isn't too much to wish him the best. It's hard to imagine him in another uniform.

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Wow....
I was a heavy proponent of letting Woody go this season.. now that it's actually happened... it feels weird.  I had gotten used to seeing black #46 on a french vanilla background.

It's tough, but it's time.

Respeck Knuckles!!!

by arbizu on Aug 15, 2005 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I would hope...
...at least that Woody can do a couple Jeff Fassero-type years before ending it all. You know, do the long-relief/spot-start dance. Those ears have to stick around for another couple of years, at least.
I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Aug 15, 2005 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I really hope that someone....
Will give him a chance.  Whether it be a 5th starter or a long relief guy, any way it's done I hope that he gets picked up by some team.

Was a great Giant, a great guy, and an ok ballplayer, that's all I can say about him.

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Aug 15, 2005 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Woody's not done
Someone will give him a chance. The timing here was additionally unfortunate in that if it had happened a month or so ago, it would have been around the time the Yankees were grabbing everyone off the waiver wire. Could Woody have been any worse than Al Leiter? Maybe, maybe not, but at least he would work quickly.

by non sequitur on Aug 15, 2005 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Grant,
Your Christiansen comment makes too much sense and I wonder why that wasn't considered.  My only thinking is that they might have discussed it with Woody and, like in the papers, he kept insisting he was a starter.

As far as a "farewell start", it sounds good on paper, but it's hard to imagine him wanting to start a game on his way to catching a bus.  Woody's likable competitiveness seems to have revealed a darker side the last few weeks.  I think he would have told them, "You can take that 'farewell start' and shove it."

by Goofus on Aug 15, 2005 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Regardless of Woody
Christiansen needs to go. There just is so much he ~can't~ do.
I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Aug 15, 2005 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Competitive
Yeah, it's a bit of a double-edged sword. You don't win 130 games with an 80 MPH fastball if you don't have a certain amount of irrational confidence. The writing was on the wall for any logical person to see, but I'm sure Woody felt he was about to roll off seven straight wins. It was "I'm just here to do whatever I can to help the ballclub" time. It was Shawon Dunston telling his son, "Daddy's not a shortstop anymore, son, and he's not an outfielder. Daddy's a teammate" time. (God I miss 2002.) Woody was too competitive to pull that off, and as much as I hate to say it, he was as responsible for this unpleasant break-up as the Giants were.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Aug 15, 2005 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's up next for Woody
He could be Josh Childress's whiter, balder stand-in.

by Leee @ McCovey Chronicles on Aug 15, 2005 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Rueter
Living in Reno as I do, what I will miss about Rueter is knowing I have an easy "over" almost every five days, especially the last couple of years when the Giants gave him lots of run support. Other than that, not so much.

by Voodoo Chile on Aug 16, 2005 3:01 AM PDT reply actions  

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