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Gamesday Open Thread, 6/5

174246766_ea2fd78204_tiny by Grant Brisbee on in News

And so it shall be
on the fifth year of the second millenium
Peasants of a coastal village of fog
shall bang their heads on a coffee table until their temples bleed.

This will go on, like, every day or something.
Especially from April to October.

But on the sixth month of this year,
the peasants shall make their heads bleed,
and do it twice in one day.

It shall hurt.

From "Nostradamn He's Good!: The Lost Prophecies of Nostradamus"

Is there a possibility of two Jason Christiansen sightings today? Rapture!

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I'm fired up
for 6-8 hours of yelling, screaming, crying and complaining.

As Ernie Banks would say if he had DSL, "Let's blog two!"

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Time for the
self-flagellation to continue! RARRRGHHH
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I think
Grant's introductions get better as the team gets worse.

by Dan from NM on Jun 5, 2005 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah...
he makes losing fun ;-)
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love listening to miller...
but does he have to pronounce Cameron and Beltran as Cam-RAAAAN and Bel-TRAAAAN?
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

In related news...
I am privied once more to the uncensored thoughts of Kruk and Miller between innings.  
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reyes=
most disappointing position prospect ever?
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

surely not
He's the latest in a long line of really, really fast guys who just aren't particularly good players. He's a lot of fun to watch, though.

by Evan on Jun 5, 2005 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

He Is...
....at least to some of the rabid Met fans on Primer, who were absolutely convinced that Reyes would be a superstar after he was in the majors for about, oh, a week and a half.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Patience
The guy is 21 and doing this in the bigs. If he was in AAA, his MLEs would have everyone moist.

by Flynn Blake on Jun 5, 2005 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Against the wildest pitcher in baseball
No Giant sees more than two pitches in the first.

by Evan on Jun 5, 2005 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

<sigh>
how does a battery with a 97 mph fastball and canon armed catcher allow a steal :-(
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

It was at Shea Stadium one year ago
when I developed my impression of Brett Tomko as a pouting headcase.  Gave up 5 runs after someone muffed the third out.

You can redeem yourself today, Brett!

by The Balls of Summer on Jun 5, 2005 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Tomko
schools Piazza. If nothing else good happens today, I've put that one in the vault.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Grissom sucks
Grissom sucks
Grissom sucks
Grissom sucks

by Fog City Blues on Jun 5, 2005 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

<note to giants players>
TAKE A FUCKING PITCH

thank you very much,

Giants fans everywhere

DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Remember
Remember when we led the league in OBP?

That was funny.

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

The 2005 Grissom Sucks Act
The ayes have it, 4-0. The measure passes unanimously.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey
Can we make this a Constitutional Amendment?

maybe a Papal Bull?

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

well,
if you're going to walk him. you might as well send a message
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice play
by Niekro.

Warrants mentioning the good stuff, since we'll be bitching about 80% of the time here.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

WHY
can we never get pitchers out in critical situations.
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Ishii
2nd RBI of the year. Crap.

His last name looks like 5/7 of a really crappy Scrabble rack, the type you get towards the end of the game when you know the other guy has the "Q' and the "Z" and hasn't used them yet.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

A Break!
The Giants haven't gotten many breaks recently.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

funny
Ellison bashed Piazza on the head with his followthrough

by Evan on Jun 5, 2005 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah
i wonder what piazza was mumbling as he took off his mask.  that must sting

by vitriolix on Jun 5, 2005 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't think so
Torrealba worked the count nicely, though.

by Evan on Jun 5, 2005 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Woo-hoo!
DITS temporarily suspended!

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

DINTS
and neither is Niekro

by Evan on Jun 5, 2005 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Two Breaks In One Inning
The Giants need to pile on.  An error, and a liner off a glove--you have to take full advantage.  One run will not be very satisfying.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

nope
we're fans of the Giants, dude
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That could have been
an ugly collision in shallow right.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah....
we might have lost 2 of our bright spots ;-)
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey!!
The giants have a greater than 50% chance of winning this game!
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

An aside
how annoying is this constant promotion of the upcoming Royals series? "The first time EVER the Royals have been in San Francisco!"

Dude, they stay there whenever they play the A's.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed
It's gotten ridiculous. If you're so excited about the Royals coming to town, why not throw them a parade, or give them the keys to the city?

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey...
the giants are giving out pins to commemorate it! What more can you ask?
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Free Yorvit!

"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Another Break...
....Giants have to score now!

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Holy Freaking Crap
Ellison is not the smartest player in the world, is he?  All he has to do is bunt it, and we're up 2-1.  Now there's a great chance we won't score.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh

Ellison is Mr. Inconsistent.  Great throw from center field, then bad beat on a flyball.  Nice clutch hitting then a baserunning error.

I know the kid's a rookie but...

"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay, Kenshin...
....I wanna hear what Miller says between innings this time.  Gah.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately they...
realized that they could not leave the mikes on between innings.  Before they cut it off however, I heard a disgusted Kuiper say that the Giants' 3rd base coach completely blew Ellison off after the cockup
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ellison
got the freeze treatment from Felipe back in the dugout. Way to miss the squeeze bunt sign.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

You know...
you're team is struggling when the announcer compliments the way your outfielder climbs the wall on an opposing team's homerun
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

What's really killing me
is we're getting our best starting pitching performance in many days and have already missed a couple of chances to blow this game open.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

This just in!
First 20,000 fans into SBC on Tuesday get the commemorative Royals pin.

Methinks no one who goes to see that game in person is going home pin-less.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

A devasting at bat
in Niekro's quest to have a higher BA than OBP
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Ummm...
DYG?  Ya did good, old man
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

It helped
that Beltran did his best Chevy Chase impersonation.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol
so im not the only one who thought fletch was playing center today...

by vitriolix on Jun 5, 2005 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bombko!

Leave it to a pitcher to wake the Giants bats.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Finally...
...the Giants capitalize on the other team's mistakes.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Figures
It takes one of our pitchers hitting a 3-run double to blow this game open.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

3 RBIs for Tomko and...
his ERA is now below 4

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

the old 5-6-3 double play

That's 2005 Giants baseball!
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

er groundout
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

About time the Giants blew a game open

Er...won a game.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Giants...
now have a 99.4% chance of winning this game. If they lose, the blood will flow freely from my eye balls
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I have faith in our Giants

If anyone can live up to that 0.6%, this team can...
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

This team can't even lose right
Here's me thinking we'd break the record.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

You know it's a blowout...
...when Flem and Kuip are discussing the relative merits of Mr. Met, Fredbird, Youppi, and the Phanatic.

No mention of Crazy Crab.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

FEAR
the POCKET!  Can you believe that as recently as two years ago, Cruz was released by the friggin' Devil Rays?
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I dunno...
....still two innings for the pitching to blow up.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Deivi Cruz
He hits bloop singles for the Giants.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Productive out by Grissom
The Cubs are sure to want him now.

Hey, Dusty, I'll trade you that rubbish old Lee for my shiny new Grissom!

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

If
Sabean was ever able to execute a Derek Lee-for-Marquis Grissom trade, straight up, I'd pay the salaries of everyone involved myself.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on now
This is dyg we're talking about. I'm just happy he didn't ground into a double play, awaken an evil vampire, and somehow reinjure Bonds' knee.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

A "shiny grip"?

You can buy those in the Mission for a lot less than 3 million a year.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Complete Game
The team that throws a complete game in the first game of a doubleheader has a huge advantage for the nightcap.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Come on Tomko
While I like that you give us an opportunity to watch the Mets' abysmal baserunning, I'd really rather you got an out at some stage.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

I used to call him
"Bad Matsui". Now I think this fails to distinguish them sufficiently.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

DITS
Alou didn't swing at the first pitch. Wow. I read somewhere he is the first-pitch-swingingest player in the majors.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Umm...
...isn't Hawkins not supposed to pitch the 9th?

by Jesse @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Not a save situation

So I guess Alou is saving the Bull for the next game
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please don't
do this to me latroy
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Ow.
That looked painful.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I am SOOO
glad that we gave up Williams and a prospect for him.  @(#@(@!_
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Trading two prospects for one inning of domination

is one thing but for one inning of futility?
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I just love our new "reliever"
Nice to Williams getting on track in AAA.

by irwin on Jun 5, 2005 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

In a previous life
The Giants were the Spanish Inquisition. They've taken a perfectly pleasurable game and turned it into another torture chamber.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

bring in the comfy chair!
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Consarn it
DITS to the power of infinity.

And I'm not best pleased with Vizquel on that play either.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Just being fair
Let the record state that Vizquel is an artist and a philanthropist and a man among men.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beck
Where's Beck when you need him?

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

apparently
posting on Mccovey chronicles
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

[Giant Exhale]
Eight is Enough. About fucking time we won a game.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

At long last it is over...

The season, however, grinds on...
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Couldn't do it
the easy way tho.  had to make it interesting in the 9th.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

unfortunately
we have another to go thru.  and on espn sunday night baseball in high def no less.  so i can see the giants futility in all of its stunning hi def glory.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

DITS
Can someone please enlighten me as to what this stands for?  I can no longer take the curiosity as I have been wondering all afternoon.

thanks!

by dcp on Jun 5, 2005 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Durham Is Teh Suck

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

go figure
Well there's a sentiment I can really get behind.  Only one who's been worse than Durham this year is Grip.

by dcp on Jun 5, 2005 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wellll...
I'm not arguing that Durham's been GOOD or anything, but you must admit that Tucker, Brower, Williams, Hawkins, Herges, and probably Lowry have all been worse.

"Worst player for the Giants in 2005" is a very, very crowded field.

by antinous on Jun 5, 2005 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Er...
...in addition to DYG, of course.

by antinous on Jun 5, 2005 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe so
OK, point yours.  I try not to spend too much time thinking about who has been worst.  All those other guys are pitchers, though, and Tucker doesn't really play all that much so I don't notice him that much.  Also Tucker has a lot of residual good feelings in the back of my mind for those two late-inning slams against the Rocks.

by dcp on Jun 5, 2005 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

For those who care
John Sickels has been running a mock draft for his readers to participate in at minorleagueball.com. As you probably know, the Giants don't pick until the back end of the 4th and 5th rounds, so it's probably just noise from our point of view. But for what it's worth, this is what the Giants guys there picked:

4th: Anthony Vavaro RHP St. Johns
Utterly dominant strikeout pitcher in college but 6 foot nothing. Very "Moneyball" selection.

5th: Travis Wood LHP Bryant HS,
Wood is highly regarded but would be tough to sign (he has committed to Arkansas). Explosive fastball, change, curve, high ceiling.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Game 2!!
Time to start a winning streak.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Random thought

John Kruk is an asshat.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

To think in an alternate universe we could have

had this guy on our roster.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Not complaining but...
Schmidty threw only fastballs (at an admitted goodly velocity) in the first
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I noticed that as well

But given that his fastup has looked like a changeup recently, I'll take it.  Plus, he's probably just setting them up for the fourth inning...
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Random Question for Kenshin
Do you find Kris Benson's wife as dreamy as Vizquel?

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

it's close....
however, I have to go with my boy
DYG

by kenshin1 on Jun 5, 2005 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

HDTV will provide the answers

Who is dreamier - Vizquel or JT?

Who's bald spot is bigger - Schmidt's or Niekro's?

"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

And also
what does Felipe's doghouse look like, and how is Jason Ellison enjoying spending Game 2 there?

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without a reliable change up

Schmidt is living and dying by the fastball...
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Memo to Giants
STOP SWINGING AT THE FIRST PITCH.

Thank You.

--Everyone

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 5:56 PM PDT reply actions  

What?
You mean we get more than one?

Signed,
Your San Francisco Giants

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Morgan on Giants
Joe Morgan says the Giants' biggest mistake was overestimating their starting pitching.  (Not counting the injuries as mistakes, he says, since the Giants couldn't prevent them.)

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 5:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Morgan was also prattering on about

how Schmidt's fastball doesnt need velocity it just needs to have a "second stage".  

What is Schmidt's fastball, a hairmetal album?

"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He explained that
He said that by second stage he meant some movement

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got his meaning

It was just a strange way to put it.  He's now talking about how Schmidt needs to be "mentally prepared" to pitch faster.  Wha?  I think its a mechanics not a mental thing.  
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woo-hoo!
In ten minutes I get to change the channel and watch something less depressing and absurd:  Pat Buchanan on the McLaughlin Group calling Deep Throat evil and a traitor.

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

"Paging Mo Mentum from Game 1..."
"Please report to the visitor's dugout ASAP."

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 6:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Jesus
Schmidt just can't put them away for love nor money

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

AAAAAGH
Morgan is right. That's on Durham.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it safe to say
that whatever the hell is wrong with Schmidt has not been solved by his stint on the DL?

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

In a word, yes

"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leadership
Shouldn't Mike Matheny have an intangible that'll fix Schmidt?

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 6:16 PM PDT reply actions  

The Matheny Mind Trick

This is not the curve ball you are looking for....
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Help
I think Schmidt needs to start breathing through his eyelids.

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

ARRGGGHH
My kingdom for a pitcher who can retire, well, another pitcher.

by antinous on Jun 5, 2005 6:17 PM PDT reply actions  

unless he can add the missing 4 mph
he's just another pitcher hitting in the 8th spot

by amoose on Jun 5, 2005 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

who doesnt love
the unnessesary head first dive into first?

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Stan Conte

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

espescially
from our 48 year old starting shortstop.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the head-first slide
Not just because it's cool, but because you don't have to break stride.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Common Retort...
Then why don't sprinters dive as they cross the finish line? If it was faster, wouldn't a track be set up to allow for diving? It slows you down because you're dragging on the ground instead of going full speed all the way through the base. Good baserunners don't need to break stride to hit the base at a dead sprint.
venividivixi.blogspot.com

by David A. Arnott on Jun 5, 2005 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's been established...
that Vizquel does it not because he thinks it's faster but because he thinks it fools the umpire.

by non sequitur on Jun 5, 2005 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

But sprinters are just trying to cross a line
That goes from the ground upwards to the sky. Baserunners need to touch a specific spot.

Did you see the way Snow ran to first? He would have touched the base quicker if he'd slid, because his stride didn't quite match with the base. And if the runner is concentrating on matching his stride, it can slow him down.

Ideally, yes, you'd be able to hit it at a dead sprint. But if you're not confident in that, slide.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

or if...
a) you want to look cool
b) you want to break one of your fingers

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sliding instead of learning
So your point is that, rather than correct an easily remedied hole in their skillset, players should risk serious injury.

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.
My point is that if a player can't correct the hole, then it's better to slide than to get thrown out. Correct the hole if you can.

by Salemicus on Jun 5, 2005 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

At first base...
You can think of it as running through a specific point. Your foot just has to hit the a big square in your lane. Guys slide into other bases because it's the quickest way to slow down in a short period of time. The impetus is to STAY on the bag, whereas at first base you're allowed to run through it. There, there's no impetus to slow down at all. So why should you, unless trying to avoid a tag?
As for the "he's always done it that way" argument, I remember reading the Houston Astros have an anti-headfirst slide policy in their minor leagues. You do it for them, you're out of the game. Injury is the worst thing that can happen to a player or team, unless the guy doesn't belong in the majors anyway. It wouldn't be hard to force guys not to do it. Fines. Money talks, even at the big league level.
venividivixi.blogspot.com

by David A. Arnott on Jun 5, 2005 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, JT that was practically

Ellisonesque baserunning.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

maybe
ruben riveraesque

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

awesome play...
jt was out on the throw from wright anyway, so who cares he was just picked off like an idiot.  but dougy never tagged him anyway, so what the hell...a whole bunch of horrible shit.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:29 PM PDT reply actions  

somehow
we got a run out of all of this.  i dont even know what happened and i am keeping score.  god damn, the giants play like the little league team i coach...

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grant...
I can't believe I'm the first person to mention this, but aren't we currently in the third millenium Anno Domini? So maybe the Nostrodamus prophecy is a repeating one? Or are we in the second millenium after the invention of cricket? I NEED CLARIFICATION!!!!!!!
venividivixi.blogspot.com

by David A. Arnott on Jun 5, 2005 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

i guess that
second stage of schmidt's movement didn't fool mr. wright.  thanks joe...

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

How many times does Joe Morgan get to

repeat an obvious point before Miller slaps him?
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

you do have
more of a chance, if you pay attention.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eyes
Anyone checked Schmidt's eyesight recently?  That squint of his seems more pronounced than before.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

deion coming back...
when is he going to come back and play for the Giants?

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Anybody notice...
How Miller was trying to point out that Snow's pickoff was a bit questionable, and how Morgan wouldn't admit it?
I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Jun 5, 2005 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

he said nothing
b/c someone didnt obviously point it out to him

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly, Morgan said nothing
Jon Miller pointed out that Mientkiewicz' glove was under his leg at one point, and it was questionable as to whether the tag was applied. He said it a couple of different ways, and each time Morgan went back to Snow's error in not getting back.

I understand Snow's gaffe is what led to the opportunity of him getting picked off, but if it's not an out, it's not an out.

Ah, doesn't matter.

I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Jun 5, 2005 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You might not have heard...

but you have to start back to the bag after the pitch.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

what?
that's bullshit

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

sucks that
schmidt lost his curveball too, must be in that bag with his extra 4 mph.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

hopefully
we can get benson out this time

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:43 PM PDT reply actions  

OMG. WTF. BBQ!!!!
Schmidtty walked the pitcher!  With the goddamn bases loaded!!  Third walk this inning!!

Make it stop!  Please!  Shut up, Joe, bring in the bullpen.  I can't take this.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

joe says
he needs to work thru this , and we need to let him.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lou Seal...
...would be a better color guy than Morgan.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The image of Joe Morgan

thrusting his belly will give me nightmares.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

i would take a
bobble boiler over this any day.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

put felipe in the booth
he makes more sense

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Felipe
Felipe is a funny dude.  He makes me laugh.  I mean that in a good way.

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

DITS
Seriously.

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 6:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Infection may be receeding, Barry is walking ramps

That doesn't sound good...
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 6:59 PM PDT reply actions  

at least
the guy i am playing this week in fantasy baseball has schmitty.  i hate myself.  sorry everyone.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 7:01 PM PDT reply actions  

You think ESPN could have retired the Schmidt ads

the night he goes 4 inn and coughs up 6 runs.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

has anyone noticed
cliff floyd has an orange undershirt, and everyone else has a blue one?  i just noticed that as he blasted a homer off the scoreboard.  dope...

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Way to stop the bleeding, Brower
I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Jun 5, 2005 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm kinda tired of this David Wright guy...
Can I kneecap him?
I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Jun 5, 2005 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish the MLB had the Slaughter Rule
Barring that, the Giants are much better off forfeiting this game, taking cab over to LaGuardia, and getting the fuck out of New York right now. I don't need to see Al Levine and Scott Munter pitching mop-up for three innings.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

1/16th
thats all it takes.  remember that, it will be on the obvious as hell joe morgan test after the game.

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

75%
of all double-headers have been split.  just so you know, thanks joe!!!

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Batting Practice
Pitches don't seem to be catching lots of plate, but shouldn't sinker ballers be...um, not high in the zone?
I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Jun 5, 2005 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey Kenshin!!
What is the probability of the Giants winning this one?

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Why must even Tap Plastics mock us?
"There's nothing better than listening to the Giants play baseball, and there's nothing better than Tap Plastics"

or at least it goes something like that. grr.

by Larson2042 on Jun 5, 2005 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

at least
they are playing the most annoying song ever, "hey baby! I want to know, if you will shoot me in the god damn head..."

by rod beck on Jun 5, 2005 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Double Entendre
These Giants would have trouble scoring against ANNA Benson.

by Kitspool on Jun 5, 2005 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Theres nothing double about Anna Benson's entendre

But you are required by McCovey Chronicles by-laws to provide a link with all wife/model/actress references.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld

by humm baby on Jun 5, 2005 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Changing the subject
What's worse: the fact that I've ever watched the show, Charmed, or the fact that I can't enjoy it now that I know Alyssa Milano's a Dodger fan?

by Scott @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 5, 2005 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

That'd be the former...
Alyssa Milano has been filmed naked and kissing another girl, thus anything less than that (like watching her fully clothes and NOT kissing girls in Charmed) should be summarily dismissed as inadequate.
I'd be the best at everything, if only there weren't so many people better than me. Or, if everyone died, just for a few seconds.

by Daniel on Jun 5, 2005 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gimme a bat
I think I could get a knock off of Brower tonight.

With that thought, I bid you gentlemen adieu.  

by Skaldheim on Jun 5, 2005 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

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