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Two Vizes will be confusing. I am against the move for that alone.

I hopped on 101 today at my normal time, pleased to find an empty freeway. I had about two seconds of blissful amazement until I realized the reason there was no traffic: most normal people were still in bed, curled up with their new remote-control car, a Furby, a fridge full of turkey or ham leftovers, perhaps a cat or dog nuzzled at their feet, a soft ray of light peeking through the curtains to warm just a corner of the bed, a corner that could be rolled into if too cold, rolled out of if too hot.

Not me. Nope. Have to work. There is another benefit to the day, however, other than the swift commute. The corporate office is closed today, which means there is no chance of anyone remotely viewing my computer screen. I am free to write as much as I want today. I have no restrictions on my time today; no hour of frenzy in some musty, funky library, trying to get a post done. I can take things at my own pace, getting as much supporting evidence as I need for a post.

So 'tis a shame that on a day like this, where time is not the commodity it usually is for my writing, the subject happens to be Jose Vizcaino. Vizcaino is not a turn of the faucet on the ol' word spigot, as there really isn't too much to write about him. He is what he is, which is an old backup shortstop, and one that isn't going to hit well. If Ray Durham misses an extended period of time, there's going to be heartburn. If Omar Vizquel misses an extended period of time, there's going to be heartburn. If Vizcaino's at-bats are kept to a minimum, he isn't going to affect the team either way.

His at-bats are most certainly not going to be kept to a minimum, as we all know he will worm his way into a Felipe Alou lineup three days a week. This move is hardly a travesty, though, because there just wasn't an automatically preferable alternative to carry a torch for. All of the in-house and mercenary options had warts. Most of them had much more than warts. Maybe they should get those things checked out. Vizcaino was one from the pile, and can probably help a team more than Angel Chavez, all things being equal. As mentioned before, though, Chavez would have been reserved for emergencies, and kept at the bottom of Felipe's bench. Vizcaino is well-known for hanging on the street corner, moving dimebags of veteran presence, and that's a dangerous player to shove in Felipe's path. Realistically, the difference in playing time probably isn't going to make a huge difference.

The travesty label is more apt for the Giant farm system. There isn't anyone who can play short in the system who is really a better choice to start over Vizcaino, should the need arise. There isn't a blue-chip prospect to get his feet wet in case a spot opens up, nor is there someone like a Lou Collier of old, who was a respectable veteran bearing respectable veteran gifts for his AAA affiliate. Up and down the organization, almost every shortstop is an organizational soldier not suited for the majors at all right now, or likely ever. There aren't really even Neifi-clones, who could at least zip around and make plays. That the Giants are lacking in majors-ready help from their system isn't exactly news, but it's a problem that really sticks out with the shortstop position.

There was a temptation to come up with some silly metaphor for Vizcaino coming back to the Giants. Perhaps one that likens him to an old girlfriend, or old fling. That doesn't really apply, though, as old girlfriends usually carry at least some memories that transcend feelings of indifference. No, Vizcaino is more like a girl that looks like Dave Attell, and who is attending the same sold-out concert as the Giants. To get the bathroom, they had to uncomfortably brush by her once already. No one thought twice about it, and the unpleasantness was only fleeting. The bathroom break's over, and it's time for the Giants to go back to their seat. This doesn't have to be a big deal. The unpleasantness only needs to be fleeting this time as well. If they linger too much at an inappropriate moment, however, they might get maced.

Please vote for me at The Red Reporter's contest for Worst Forced Analogy at a Baseball Blog, and also welcome back Jose Vizcaino.

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Don't you mean..
THE 101?
Whatever happened to that girl I knew, she was just like you- but was way more into me

by kenshin1 on Dec 26, 2005 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

some parts...
of my upbringing are indelible, I guess ;-)
Whatever happened to that girl I knew, she was just like you- but was way more into me

by kenshin1 on Dec 27, 2005 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Don't you mean..
Hell no.  Just "101."  If he was on 880, he might say "the Nimitz."  But never ever "the 101."

by Skaldheim on Dec 27, 2005 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe...
"the screaming eagles"?
Whatever happened to that girl I knew, she was just like you- but was way more into me

by kenshin1 on Dec 27, 2005 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Don't you mean..
real fans call it bayshore
The Dodgers ARE evil.

by irwin on Dec 27, 2005 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Don't you mean..
Anyone who says 'the 101' or 'the 5' is automatically suspect and should be considered a Dodgers or Angels fan.
I wass trying to come up with a pun using 'viz a viz', but the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet.

by brothersky on Dec 27, 2005 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Two Vizes will be confusing. I am against the
The Giants have 2 of 3 players to begin their names with VIZ.  That alone is worthy of comment.  If they acquire Luis VIZcaino, they will corner the market.      Just a little trivia to round out the weekend.

by out machine on Dec 26, 2005 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

That's the problem...
Grant, you are absolutely correct. I personally abhor Vizcaino more than Jeff Kent, but as you say he's one of the available SS at the dance, and when the music stopped we were stuck with him. The only downside is the potential for Felipe to overestimate his worth and give him too many ABs.

And yes, the greater problem is that we do, in fact, have no acceptable alternative in the minors. When we all gather to play Giants Jeopardy, and the answer comes up "Josh Cook, Edwin Maldonado, Elliot Shankman, Jamie Athas, Kevin Kelly, Jake Wald, Tim Hutting, Jeff Palumbo, Jeremiah Luster, and Anthony Contreras," we all know the question: Who are the shortstops the Giants have drafted in the top 20 rounds in the last 6 years?  (OK, I left out 17th-rounder Marcus Sanders in 2003, but you get the point).

Why is it that I, whose baseball career peaked in Little League, know that when you draft you stock up on pitchers, shortstops, and rightfielders - baseball's equivalent of football's skill positions - but Sabean et al do not?

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Dec 27, 2005 6:09 AM PST reply actions  

Re: That's the problem...
I don't see this as a major concern. If Viz was the alternative to a gifted young but eratic player, I could see him stealing ABs. But that's not the case- in order for Viz to get starts because he's a whiley old veteran, he needs to take them away from incumbent, whiley old veterans with starting jobs.  It just isn't the same dynamic.

by prospecthound on Dec 27, 2005 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: That's the problem...
PH - I agree that Vizcaino taking some AB's from Vizquel is at least alphabetic, if not poetic, irony (see previous post on Alanis Morrisette). I'm essentially complaining that I'm not able to complain properly: we should be in a position where the signing of Vizcaino is outrageous because he would be stealing valuable developmental time from Kevin Kelly...or Josh Cook. But the signing doesn't do that...so it's okay...it's just outrageous that it is okay.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Dec 27, 2005 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

So I guess...
I'm still waiting for Elliot Shankman

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Dec 27, 2005 6:15 AM PST reply actions  

Giant Shortstops
The Giants don't exactly have a history of drafting strength in the shortstop department, not like our ancient history in drafting strong outfield prospects or our recent history in drafting decent pitching prospects and then trading them to fill out the roster.  Who was the last decent shortstop we drafted - Royce Clayton?, and before that - was it Chris Speir?

by APGiantsFan on Dec 27, 2005 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

Giants Shortstops
A tedious examination of past drafts confirms our suspicions: Chris Speier and Royce Clayton are the highlights of our last 25 years of SS-drafting! Here's the lowlights I found in just an hour and a half of digging:

1973 - Johnnie LeMaster (#6 overall)
1983 - Robby Thompson (drafted as SS in Jan.)
1987 - Mike Benjamin (#74 overall; it's all about the Benjamins)
1989 - Clay Bellinger (#44 overall)
1993 - Bill Mueller (drafted as SS #414 overall)
1996 - Mike Caruso (#42 overall; part of "white flag" trade with WhiteSox, was ruined by them with way-too-early promotion to majors; I'm still angry about it - thanks for asking)
1998 - Tony Torcato (played SS in high school, moved to 3B in minors). The inimitable Cody Ransom was drafted #278 as well.

And that's it. We took LeMaster 35 spots ahead of Fred Lynn and 61 spots ahead of Eddie Murray. In 1989, we narrowly avoided getting stuck with Tim Salmon(#69) or Jeff Bagwell(#109).

So, since Speier's brilliant rookie season in 1971, the list of noteworthy shortstops we've employed up to now would include......Jose Uribe (as the ultimate player to be named later)....and Rich Aurilia.

That's why it's hard not to hyperventilate when thinking of Marcus Sanders in our future infield, bad arm and all.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Dec 27, 2005 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

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