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My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right now

I have no idea what the Angels want with Edgardo Alfonzo, but they're welcome to him.  There was never a way to get rid of the lump without taking on another contract, and usually the ideas were just as reprehensible as Fonzie. Eric Milton. Kaz Matsui. Yick and yick.

Steve Finley actually fills a need for this team. In an outfield with two old 'n' brittles, a fourth outfielder who can play centerfield is going to get a lot of playing time. He had an awful, putrid season in 2005, and isn't likely to get better. But what if he does? The good Finley is only a year removed from the wreck the Angels saw. The Giants aren't counting on Finley to be their clean-up hitter; they're counting on him to be vintage Armando Rios. And if he falls on his face, oh well. It was a good try.

At the end of April, I came up with marginally funny joke. When Alfonzo hit his next solo home run, I was planning to comment with a Jabba the Hutt quote in the gameday thread: "Manchy kabook noonee Solo!" See? Jabba the Hutt's fat, and Alfonzo is kinda fat. D'ya get it? After you wipe the tears from your eyes, the rest of the post will be waiting for you.

But Alfonzo NEVER HOMERED AGAIN.  The offensive nothingness he closed the last five months of his Giant career with was amazing. It was one of the most complete collapses in recent history. It was Ron Burgundy finally agreeing to eat the cat poop, chomping on it, knowing that the elevator of his career had reached the basement. It was five months of eating cat feces, all spread out over summer months, all broadcast over television and radio. Also, Alfonzo did not have a good season.

There is a worry that Steve Finley, who is bound by the laws of physics to only hurt the Giants, will use this opportunity to give us the ultimate sendoff. Maybe he's in his lair right now, feeding live bunnies to his pet boa constrictor ("Wrangles"), and wondering just how he can top Jose Cruz Jr.'s artistry. Yeah, that's a concern, but I can live with it. The only way Finley could top Alfonzo's damage to this organization is with a roofie, a burlap sack, and a trip to the coast with Matt Cain. Finley's reputation as a Giant killer can't extend that far, can it? Can it? Hold me....

Another concern I almost had was related to Alfonzo's performance. As in, what if Alfonzo had a good season for the Angels? Would I be able to sleep with that much injustice in the world? That concern was short-lived. Alfonzo is done. Worrying about something like that is like worrying about Maury Wills taking advantage of Jason Schmidt's slow delivery.

This is a great move for the Giants, even if Finley does his best Ricky Ledee impersonation. Finley turned down a three-year deal from the Giants to go with the Angels. Now he's on the Giants, he doesn't get that expensive third year, he didn't harm the team with last year's performance, and we were able to dump an overpriced saddle sore in the process. The fates threw us a bone on this one, and it really doesn't matter if there is any marrow left.

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Secret weapon
Don't forget, Finley can pitch too. He threw one creditable inning back in 2001. If he can develop a knuckler, he could be a 4th/5th outfielder, pinch-hitter, situational reliever for years to come.

Nice to see the G-Men haven't given up on the 40+ theory of roster development.

by leewhee on Dec 21, 2005 6:08 PM PST reply actions  

Yay team
My first reaction: This is great, a clear upgrade. Trading something we don't need for something we do.

Finley as a fourth outfielder sounds real good.

To paraphrase what others have said on this site: It's like going to bed with Jack White and waking up with Meg White.

by Dan from NM on Dec 21, 2005 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Yay team
You have no faith in medicine.

by dangjackson on Dec 21, 2005 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Yay team
Okay, so TrimSpa isn't really medicine.

by dangjackson on Dec 21, 2005 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed...
my faith in Sabean has been, if not restored, at least burgeoned.  Rare indeed, has it become for us Giants fans to clearly identify ourselves as the winner of a trade. WOOOOOOOOHHHHHH
Whatever happened to that girl I knew, she was just like you- but was way more into me

by kenshin1 on Dec 21, 2005 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Indeed...
I think it's proof Sabes has pictures of Stoneman on a wild, Tijuana weekend. Now how about Vlad Guerrero for Durham?

Seriously, a good trade from the Giants point-of-view. While the money is a wash, the power upgrade and legit centerfield defense that Finley brings is a big bonus to the Giants. Does open up the back up infielder position. Is Richie still available? I'd like to see Aurilia and Olivo signed to the backup positions Sabean talks about in the article. That would leave just the hole in the starting rotation. Perform some more magic, Brian?

by Sayhey on Dec 21, 2005 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Aurilia
It doesn't sound like the Giants have been talking to him, but with a potentially horrid platoon at first base, an injury risk at second, an aging lefty-fearing shortstop, and, well, Pedro Feliz at third, I am virtually certain that the Giants' backup infielder is going to play a huge (400+ AB?) role this year. Aurilia's road numbers from last season are frightening, but I can't think of anyone else out there who might suck less.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 21, 2005 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Aurilia
Sounds like a good bargaining position " Rich Aurilia - the sucks less alternative!" The fact he can play second, third and short make him an attractive addition. Who knows, getting back to San Francisco might just give him the boost he needs to resurrect his career.

by Sayhey on Dec 21, 2005 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Both sides win
I wouldn't call the Giants winners of this trade.  Hopefully it is one that makes both teams better.  The Angels desperately need to get Erstad off 1B so Kotchman can play there, though they act as if they don't know this is a good idea.  Losing Finley gives them more room in the OF.

Both teams have recent suckage from these players that is too painful to remember.  From my POV, the Alfonso suckage has a longer track record and I have some hope that Finley can outperform last year.

by achiappanza on Dec 22, 2005 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
Everyone you meet /
They're dancin in the street /
All night long (All night)

by leftymalo on Dec 21, 2005 6:33 PM PST reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
I am dancing on the ceiling!

Are you feeling down and lonely
Feeling Like you can't go on....
just rememer Love Will Find A Way!

Or in EdLardo's case

Let Your FAT ASS SHOW YOU THE WAY

i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
AND THERE WAS MUCH REJOICING!!!

This is easily my favorite move of the offseason.  Damn.  I'm buying Sabean a drink if I ever meet him.

by Skaldheim on Dec 21, 2005 6:37 PM PST reply actions  

!!!!J!J!J!J!J!!!
AND THERE WAS MUCH REJOICING!!!

This is easily my favorite move of the offseason.  Damn.  I'm buying Sabean a drink if I ever meet him.

by Skaldheim on Dec 21, 2005 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

Re: !!!!J!J!J!J!J!!!
I'll see your two drinks and raise you an even dozen!!!

The Baseball Cods have smiled upon us this xmas!

i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
I hate to be the grouch, but UZR absolutely hates Finley - he was awful defensively last year, and doesn't seem  to have any value. Its not a harmful move, but I genuienly don't know what Finely has left at this point.

Plus, given its Finley, he's going to end up hitting .000 just to continue cursing the Giants.

by Aadik on Dec 21, 2005 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
I'm hoping coming back the NL West will help.  Bottom line is that he can't be worse than Alfonzo right?

by SF Pete on Dec 21, 2005 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
A case of syphillis and waking up next to Phyllis Diller couldn't be worse than ElLardo
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
Thanks for making me laugh out loud at work.  Now everyone knows I'm not working.

by SF Pete on Dec 21, 2005 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
well, if you get fired i hear phyllis is hiring. :D
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
By law, I must post this any time Diller is mentioned.

Carry on.

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 21, 2005 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
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i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
that was totally uncalled for....Nice work.
The Dodgers ARE evil.

by irwin on Dec 21, 2005 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Finley is done
But that wouldn't mean that this is a bad move.  Alfonzo was that bad. He hit .255/.287/.293 the last five months of the season. Wow.

But the worst part is I think it might have been better to just cut Alfonzo and not have to play Finley at all.

by Nick Schulte on Dec 21, 2005 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: I'm pretty sure Finley is done
finley hit like byung kim last year, granted. but he doesnt have to face AL pitching.  I'm thinkin he'll bounce back against the likes of NL West Triple A+ starting pitching.  He sure feasted off of it in 04, and it got worse in 05. I'd rather face the Padroxbackodger staffs than the A's, Mariners, and Rangers 19 times each.  who knows.  mainly fatass is gone. This alone will cause Viagra like symptons in male giant fans everywhere.
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're right again, Nick.
I think Sabean sees Finley as a great sub.  In reality, he's an average-to-bad sub.

6 to 1, half a dozen to another, whether Finley for Alfatso is better than cutting Egleado and going with a cheap sub.

by GiantJim on Dec 22, 2005 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

The White Whale!
It's a Christmas Miracle!

This is just like those holiday movies -- everything looks dim just before Christmas ("Sorry Timmy, but daddy can't afford to get you a lefthand-hitting 4th outfielder with power this year"). But then, from out of nowhere, Santa Stoneman brings us the gift we wanted.

It's just like that saying goes, "Every time a fat, overpaid, underachieving sack of shit is traded for a useful commodity, an angel gets its' wings."

And if you're happy, just think how Sabean feels. Finley has eluded him for so long. It's gotta be sweet for him right now, to get rid of one problem for a guy he loves. Besides, if Sabes had gotten his way last year, we'd be paying BOTH OF THEM right now, and probably have no Alou.

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 21, 2005 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
I think he'll bounce back, and like Dusty Baker and Darth Vader in episode six, he will be a prodical son brought unto us for redemption. But even if he sucks like an Orick 7 pound upright, What is the worst case here?

by prospecthound on Dec 21, 2005 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
The worst case is fantastic Karma. Twice Finley has walked up to the alter wearing white and Adidas(tm) track shoes, only to bolt from a woebegon tuxedo clad Sabean. This is like the third act of a Gilbert and Sullivan production where the previous runaway bride, cruising the Med with her surogate beau is captured by Barbary Corsairs and dragged in chains before the pirate king who after a sneer and a haughty laugh (ha!ha!) unmaskes himself to be her spurned fiance.  If that made no sense to you, you obviously have never been to a light opera.  Anyway, the worst case is that Finley sucks and is miserable in a place that he desparately tried to avoid, and for someone who has caused me great pain and personal sorrow, that's just fine with me.

by prospecthound on Dec 21, 2005 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
Well it's closer to another holiday so...

It's a Festivus Miracle!

You're calling him a useful commodity, well I just think all he does is push either Linden, Ellison, or Ortmeier back into the minors.

Did you ever go to bed with Carlos Delgado and wake up with a Sweeny? Not even the good one, the one who sucks! Erhm....

by WalrusMan on Dec 21, 2005 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
You're calling him a useful commodity, well I just think all he does is push either Linden, Ellison, or Ortmeier back into the minors.

Is this a bad thing.  I look at as a two birds with one stone if its magellan.  he needs to be brat-slapped like the little spoiled frat-rat that he is

i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
Screw Ellison.  No Ellison now, no Ellison ever.  Garbage.

by dangjackson on Dec 21, 2005 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
The way I'm seeing it, it's Bonds, Winn, Alou, Finley, and Ellison as our outfielders.  Observe...

Finley .222/.271.374
Ellison .264
.316/.361
Linden .216/.280/.333
Ortmeier .136/.269/.136

While Ortimeier's is a small sample size, I think he needs more minor league work, while Linden and Ellison won't learn any more down there.  And Ellison is my clear choice between the two for defensive purposes alone, but also seems to be a benifit in the hitting department compared to Linden.

Did you ever go to bed with Carlos Delgado and wake up with a Sweeny? Not even the good one, the one who sucks! Erhm....

by WalrusMan on Dec 21, 2005 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
agreed el walrusman. :)
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
Maybe we can send Linden somewhere for some kind of help.  Perhaps a middle infielder or part of a 1B or SP deal.
Did you ever go to bed with Carlos Delgado and wake up with a Sweeny? Not even the good one, the one who sucks! Erhm....

by WalrusMan on Dec 21, 2005 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
"Maybe we can send Linden somewhere for some kind of help."

Yeah... like maybe Dr. Ruth.  

i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
would be selling low again.  

by keithr on Dec 21, 2005 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
Ellison's offensive numbers look as good as they do because of his red-hot April (1.209 OPS) and May (.733 OPS) - the rest of the year he sucked as bad as Fonzie did, plus he took some astonishingly bad routes to fly balls.  Linden has failed to impress in his major league tryouts so far, but I'd be tempted to give him one more shot at the beginning of next season - if he flops again, you can always throw Ellison back out there.  Hopefully Finley can still catch and throw a little bit - we'll need him once Winn blows a hamstring in July trying to field 2/3 of the outfield by himself.

by ElkoGiantsFan on Dec 21, 2005 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
I'd still take Ellison over Linden.  His routes were worse to flyballs weekly and still hasn't impressed me with his "power."  Anyways, with Power, Speed/Power, Power, and Power in the outfield, I wouldn't mind having a Speed guy to back them up and lead-off if we need him to.  Sure it's not the best idea in the world, but if we needed it.
Did you ever go to bed with Carlos Delgado and wake up with a Sweeny? Not even the good one, the one who sucks! Erhm....

by WalrusMan on Dec 21, 2005 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
NO! Linden has much more of an upside as the 5th outfielder than Ellison. With two centerfielders on the roster there is no reason to keep Jason. Let Linden have his shot to prove he's the "five-tool " prospect the Giants projected. If he proves to be able to learn how to hit breaking balls the Giants have a future star, if not we have a mediocre fifth outfielder -so what?

by Sayhey on Dec 21, 2005 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed
I still have a little bit of hope that Linden might turn the corner. I'll admit that his 241 big league at-bats have been ugly, but I'll need to see a few hundred more before I completely give up.

All four veteran outfielders will be free agents after this season... I pray that we can pencil Linden into one starting outfield spot so that we'll only have to overpay free agents for two spots.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 21, 2005 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
Agreed, definitely Linden over Ellison.  It was embarrasing watching Ellison "run" the bases last year.  Sure he could get on base decently, at least in the first third of the year, but once he did, it was even money for him getting picked off, thrown out, or just wandering off into the cove.

by pme on Dec 22, 2005 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: The White Whale!
Just having a healthy year was a step forward for Ortmeier in 2005.  I hope for more.

by achiappanza on Dec 22, 2005 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Meow
I could point out that te Angel fan response is exactly the same, but, rather, I'd like to ask what all this has to do with cat shit.

Nice doing business with you; we can all be rid of our disappointments, then shrug when our new players underperform, since, hey, better than the guy we traded away.

Back to the cat poop...

Eat my Angel Dust

by Angels95 on Dec 21, 2005 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Meow
It's just about a guy at a career low. Like this.

(Doesn't work with Firefox, unforutnately....)

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 21, 2005 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Meow
A steak!  A big steak for Grant , Please!
Listen to the broadcast on KSFO.

by Shane on Dec 22, 2005 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Angel fan reaction
From the Angels' blog. hmmm. sounds very familiar.

"Frosty the No-Man: STEVE FINLEY has been traded

By Rev Halofan
Posted on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 09:43:27 PM EST

It is official and every fan of the team can cheer on this move.

Arrogant Piece of Trash- I mean Centerfielder Steve "Frosty" Finley has been traded to the San Francisco Giants for infielder Edgardo Alfonzo. Alfonzo is making $6 million in 2006, and is owed a $1 million installment of his initial signing bonus on January 31.

Finley will make $7 million in 2006, but if he makes 600 Plate Appearances in 2006, his $1 million buyout turns into another year at $7 million.

Thanks for pushing the eject button, Bill Stoneman. You might've saved Arte $7 million 2007 dollars.

The worst case scenario is that Robb Quinlan gets squeezed when management feels they oughtta play the salary-sapping Alfonzo more often.

The best case scenario is that if Alfonzo has any bounceback at all, he is platooning with McPherson by May."

by Exiled in Brooklyn on Dec 21, 2005 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Angel fan reaction
They'll soon learn.....

And so will we.....

Did you ever go to bed with Carlos Delgado and wake up with a Sweeny? Not even the good one, the one who sucks! Erhm....

by WalrusMan on Dec 21, 2005 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Angel fan reaction
"The worst case scenario is that Robb Quinlan gets squeezed when management feels they oughtta play the salary-sapping Alfonzo more often."

errrrrrrrr.  Wrong Answer.  Worst case scenario is everytime fatass comes to the plate with runners in scoring position.  Second worse case scenario is when he comes up with runner on first and less than two outs.  Third worse case scenario...any other time he comes to the plate.

"The best case scenario is that if Alfonzo has any bounceback at all, he is platooning with McPherson by May."

errrrrrr.  Wrongo again monkey spanker.  Best Case Scenario is if he gets lost on the San Diego Fwy and ends up in Tiajuana gorging himself to death on tamale pies and tequilla shooters with ice-cream floats

i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Angel fan reaction
"Arrogant piece of trash"??  Wait, can we still sign Canseco and have the All-Arrogant outfield?

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Dec 22, 2005 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Meow
The difference is that Finley's had one bad year recently (in his first year after moving to a new league). Alfonzo has had three pretty bad seasons in a row, and four out of five.

It would be surprising if Finley went from a prime production year to garbage in one year's time, 40 years old or not. But it would be absolutely astounding if Alfonzo bounced back from essentially a five year slump which is progressingly getting worse.

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 21, 2005 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The more I think about
When trading one overpaid fat ass for an overpaid grandpa turns out to be the trade of the season, one so glorious that you find your self smiling even though your dog died, your parents finally kicked you out of your house at 35 and your girlfriend, having trouble getting pregnant secretly takes hormones and is now pregnant with seven little bundles of joy, raises you above it all. Thank you Mr. Sabean. :(

Hey we traded ElLardo. :)

by covenant on Dec 21, 2005 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
I could point out that te Angel fan response is exactly the same.

That is due to severe vision impairment caused by addictive monkey-spanking.  However the FDA just approved a Rx that will restore vision for serial monkey-spanker. It comes with a warning:

Caution: Continued use of this medication will restore vision.  The Bad News is that when sight is restored you will see a fat fucking lump of shit at 3B. This will cause your team to be a bunch of suck-ass losers AND create serious erectile dysfunction.

i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 21, 2005 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

I'm turning 36 on Thursday...
and the Giants getting rid of Fonzie -- and getting back Steve Finley! Who Sabes always wanted! And I don't give a shit that Finley was a freshman when Jeff Fassero was a senior! -- it's the best birthday present EVER. I am so, so happy.

It matters not if Finley sucks or curses our ballpark. It matters only that he has a pulse.

I will now mold a clay bust of Brian Sabean while singing "Hello".

by Kitspool on Dec 21, 2005 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

Re: I'm turning 36 on Thursday...
I will now mold a clay bust of Brian Sabean while singing "Hello".

Sir/Madam, I fell out of my chair upon reading this:)

by David A. Arnott on Dec 21, 2005 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha!
It always bothered me that Lionel hangs up on the blind chick at the end of the guitar solo. And that bust looks nothing like him!

Yes, at this point I have stronger opinions about the "Hello" video than I do about this trade. I didn't want to look at Alfonzo anymore and I don't have much hope for Ellison, but I don't know how you can sugarcoat .222/.271/.374 at age 40.

Maybe this is that one case of a brutal season at age 40 that in no way marks the end of a productive career. And I guess there's nothing to lose but a million dollar buyout next year. This trade was probably the best Sabean could do with Alfonzo, so fair play to him.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 21, 2005 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: My heart is like a Lionel Richie song right no
I like this but have a hard time getting excited. Maybe living in NJ and not actually seeing Edgardo much shielded me from the true extent of his deterioration, but I was hoping he could duplicate last year's hot start and then we could trade him for someone younger of more potential value than I expect to get out of Finley. It might have been better to eat a lot of Alfonzo's salary in a trade for someone with more upside. Also, this now locks us in to Feliz at third when he's of more use as a utility player. Oh well, maybe it opens up a pinch hitting/backup third base slot for Cervenak who at least deserves his cup of coffee. Despite all my qualms, I'm still glad we did this.

by NearestNorwich on Dec 21, 2005 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone else see this quote from Sabean?
"It's a good problem. With [center fielder] Randy Winn, it gives us four outfielders, and Moises can also play other positions. Our goal is to get [Finley] on the field as much as possible."

Moises can also play other positions? What other positions? I can think of one -- LF. I've always thought the Alou at first base idea was pretty foolish and wouldn't be considered, but this sounded like maybe Sabean was considering it.

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 21, 2005 8:46 PM PST reply actions  

Wow...
...very interesting.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Dec 21, 2005 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Where's the power?????
Sabean did a good job here.  He's unloaded an unwanted player and contract.  But consider this:

167 PA
147 AB
37 hits
4 doubles
1 triple
ZERO HR!
11 RBI
.293 slugging (ouch!!!)

All stats for Finley at King and 3rd.  Maybe there has been a reason for not wanting to play for the Giants.

-- Born Yesterday

by thatdog on Dec 21, 2005 8:54 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Where's the power?????
Sorry, I might have PA wrong, but you get the idea.
-- Born Yesterday

by thatdog on Dec 21, 2005 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice Surprise
Now this is what I like to come home to.  I spent the late afternoon and early evening on some wife mandated Christmas shopping a.k.a. meeting a couple buddies at Outback, getting some grub, a beverage or 10, and coming home with a half dozen gift cards(HA!).  Now this, the hits keep coming.  The way I see it this is basically a problem for problem trade that is going to cost us a million dollars.  However in the process we fill two needs.  First we add a much needed fourth outfielder.  Finley is certainly not the player he was and SBC is certain to take some sting out of his bat, but in the process we have a significant upgrade over Ellison and Linden.  With Sweeney chipping in at a corner outifeld when needed the situation is now comfortable (the fact that it takes 5 guys to comfortably fill 3 spots is another issue).  Second we don't have to put that sumo wrestling, diaper wearing, pansy ass, twinkie gobbling, butterball in the lineup for any reason.  As an added bonus Sabes is now more likely to inquire with Toronto about a deal for one of their extra third basemen.

As far as Anaheim's side of the deal, I don't fully understand their excitement, outside of getting rid of a miserable dissapointment.  Alfonso brings nothing of value to their team.  They thought highly enough of McPherson to let Glaus and his oft-injured big bat leave town, albiet for a ridiculous contract.  Fatso does nothing but provide a lump of lard to draw from when cooking up a little bacon for the pregame meal...and you guys thought he had no value.  

Almost forgot to mention the Ron Burgundy quote in the post, obviously inspired by my sig. Good looking out Grant.

"San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina" - Ron Burgundy

by W8ingForATitle on Dec 21, 2005 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Nice Surprise
Funny, I thought your sig was inspired by my post....

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 21, 2005 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Nice Surprise
Might have been, but I only discovered this site a couple months ago.  The sig is really inspired by having to live in that third class sports town for four years, speaking of a whale's vagina!  At least I have some fond memories at the Murph, including Barry's bomb off the freaking scoreboard, Jesus that thing was hit.  Not to mention numerous chants of the Murph is our Turf among other dandies by the highly partisan SF crowd.  Too bad they put in the Litter Box and ruined our home field advantage.
"San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina" - Ron Burgundy

by W8ingForATitle on Dec 21, 2005 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Disconcerting Thought
I'd hate to spoil the party so I'll go-ooo...

What if Sabean decides to make this move:  now that he "has" a CF and (apparently) negotiations to sign Winn to a long-term contract is not going anywhere, he decides to trade Winn to another team for a starting pitcher or lefty power?  I guess it depends on which player we get but given how dissatisfied we have been with recent trades, needless to say, I'm a bit worried about this scenario.

Am I being silly?  Maybe someone can just tell me off and say "Don't be ridiculous, cousin Larry" and I'll feel better, but I have this pit in my stomach telling me that this might happen.

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Dec 21, 2005 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Disconcerting Thought
I hope that you are totally wrong.  I think Sabean has at least enough brain cells left to realize that we can't have an outfield of 40 year olds.  He did remark that Winn was not a rental player when he was acquired...but hey Williams was the future of our pitching staff.

And by the way....it's "I don't want to spoil the party so I'll go, I would hate my dissapointment to show."  Get your 40 year old music right! (Coming from an 18 year old, that should be an insult.)

Did you ever go to bed with Carlos Delgado and wake up with a Sweeny? Not even the good one, the one who sucks! Erhm....

by WalrusMan on Dec 21, 2005 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Disconcerting Thought
If Sabes can turn Randy Winn into someone like Carlos Zambrano, I'd say it's worth it. Others have mentioned the fear that his '07 option would kick in if he gets 600 ABs, but according to this site, the trigger only makes it a mutual option. If I understand correctly, that would still give the Giants the right to say no and buy him out for a mil.

by leftymalo on Dec 22, 2005 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Disconcerting Thought
What if I told you that I was just paraphrasing?

I'd be lying but what if?  :^)

Eh, I've given up trying to keep up with young whippersnapper's memories since my younger brother, by only 5 years, who watched the same Star Trek shows I watched, could quote lines from each show and know the title of each one as well.

But yes, not only is it an insult but I'm ashamed since I'm a big Beatles fan.  Well, I buy a lot of Beatles paraphrenalia, like t-shirts at Target, plus all their albums and books but it's not like I'm obsessed or anything. :^D

And, in the end, the love you take, is equal to the looove, you make...

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Dec 23, 2005 3:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Rejoice
That Sabean was able to get a warm body rather than a sack of coal for Fonzie was surprising.  We have heard rumblings about this trade for a while and I look forward to seeing what Findley has left in the tank, although his numbers at Mays' Field are not encouraging.

by APGiantsFan on Dec 22, 2005 7:15 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Rejoice
It's a warm body with an $8 million price tag.  If he could have gotten rid of Alfonso and his contract for a bag of coal, I'll bet most of us would have taken it.

by achiappanza on Dec 22, 2005 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Rejoice
The point is that you couldn't do that. The best the Giants could have done to cut salary is basically trade him for a bag of balls and pay 90-95% of his salary. If the Giants didn't want to play a light-hitting, fat, over-the-hill suckass 8 million why in the world would anybody else? I think if they didn't trade him they were going to cut him, so they still would have had to pay the salary.

by hammystyle on Dec 22, 2005 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Rejoice
Nobody in their right mind would take Alfonzo's contract without losing a similar contract.  Luckily Finley had a horrible year in 2005, else we'd be stuck with Alfonzo to the end.

Plus, as Nick astutely noted, the Giants save $1M on 2006 payroll because the buyout happens after the season, so the Giants now have an extra mil to spend on players.

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Dec 22, 2005 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

More grit
It's always nice to see us getting older.

Is there any chance Finley actually gets 600 plate appearances and kicks in his third year guarantee?

Saving countless runs with my defense

by lyricalkiller on Dec 22, 2005 8:25 AM PST reply actions  

Re: More grit
no, the only way that happens is if he plays every day.  The only way he plays every day is if... never mind I won't even say it.  Don't think about that happening.  Not again.

And it's true that all that happens is the club option turns into a mutual option, meaning the worst that can happen is that we want him back and he rejects us.  

by wjackalope on Dec 22, 2005 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

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