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There was one free agent left who could have possibly made a big impact on the Giants lineup, but even that would have taken a huge leap of faith, With Nomar Garciaparra gone to the Dodgers, it looks like the offense we see right now is going to be the offense we get. It's not an awful offense. It's certainly not a great offense. If Barry Bonds, Ray Durham, and Moises Alou can stay healthy for the entire season, the Giants have a shot to put a good number of runs on the board. Also, if Bonds, Durham, and Alou can stay healthy for the entire season, the magnetic poles will reverse and the moon will cry tears of blood. But anything's possible.

A strong bench would help things. Mark Sweeney is a good start to the bench, should the Giants find another first baseman, and either Dan Ortmeier or Todd Linden can provide switch-hitting pop from the bench. The possibilities for backup catcher and shortstop will become more defined after the arbitration deadline. Hoping for a strong bench is about all we can hope for at this point to improve the offense. There are teams in worse shape. Having a 50% chance of seeing 70% of Bonds 80% of the time is hardly something a perfect team has to count on, but it allows for some hope.

Here's a look back at a few of the first basemen who went to teams other than the Giants, and who might have improved the Giant lineup:

Jim Thome

Would have helped:

Possibly a lot, but with serious potential to be bad.

Was traded for:

A youngish starting centerfielder, and two better-than-Merkin pitching prospects.

Was he worth it:

If a team had a surplus of the above and a need for left-handed power, sure.

Could the Giants have matched the offer:

No way.

Brad Wilkerson

Would have helped:

Depended on which Wilkerson showed up, but he would have been a pretty substantial roster improvement.

Was traded for:

One of the decade's most overrated players. It wasn't even a one-for-one swap, as the Nationals had to throw a little more in the pot.

Was he worth it:

For the Rangers, he sure was. It was a bizarro move for the Nationals to swap a leftfielder for a second baseman, in the hopes the ridiculously expensive second baseman can play leftfield against his will. Bra-vo, Mr. Bowden. Braaa-vo.

Could the Giants have matched the offer:

Alfonso Soriano is a rich man's Pedro Feliz, but is considered to be a great slugger by a few select goofs. The general manager of the Nationals is one of those goofs. The Giants do not have a great slugger, imagined or otherwise, that would have held the same value as Soriano.

Sean Casey

Would have helped:

Eh. He's got a fairly nice on-base percentage, but no power. He would have been an improvement on Sweeney/Niekro, but just barely. Certainly not for the money he's going to get.

Was traded for:

An average to below-average starting pitcher, with the Reds eating a little bit of salary.

Was he worth it:

No. Especially for a team in the Pirates position, though the hometown aspect makes for a nice story.

Could the Giants have matched the offer:

Almost certainly. Given the choice of the roster as is, or a roster with an addition of Sean Casey as the only change, I would prefer to have Sean Casey on the Giants. As long as he didn't foul up future budgets or in-season roster acquisitions, he'd bring decent on-base skills to the lineup, and allow Sweeney to come off the bench. But Casey makes way too much money to not foul up budgets, and he would have made the Giants think twice about trading for anything in the middle of the season. Add in the idea that the Giants would have had to give something back in trade, and it's a good thing they passed.

Carlos Delgado

Would have helped:

Oh. Oh my, yes.

Was traded for:

A pitching prospect held in high regard by a lot of folks, but who isn't universally loved by scouts.

Was he worth it:

Yes. It wasn't much for the Mets to give up, especially considering the Marlins threw some cash back in the deal.

Could the Giants have matched the offer:

I'm pretty confident the Giants could have made up ground on the Mets offer with a quantity over quality package. However, if there were another serious contender for Delgado's services the Mets might have upped their offer, and the Mets had more ammunition to do so.

Lyle Overbay

Would have helped:

He's no star, but he would have helped this year's team.

Was traded for:

A young, league-average type starter, a useful young outfielder, and a pretty good pitching prospect.

Was he worth it:

Not really.

Could the Giants have matched the offer:

In theory, they might have been able to. They were right not to, however. The package given up by Toronto was superior to a theoretical Giants offer of Brad Hennessey, Dan Ortmeier, and Merkin Valdez, and that would have been a very iffy trade for the Giants. The Brewers got a good haul for a player who would not necessarily have been a huge improvement over Sweeney/Niekro.

Of the above, the only player the Giants might have had a shot at and who would have been a desirable acquisition was Delgado. He is still owed a silly sum of cash, so the Giants might have been wary of the commitment. The Marlins might have wanted something more majors-ready than the Giants could provide, and Delgado might not have wanted to even come to the West Coast. But he was the Giants best chance at something more than a Band-Aid, and the Giants were fools if they didn't even consi...

Damn it. I got so excited typing that, I knocked over my glass of milk. Man, it's everywhere. On the keyboard, all over my work clothes. Why me? Why does this stuff always happen to me? I just can't believe this. I have the worst luck.

Uh, where was I? Not sure, but there aren't many options left. If the deals for Wilkerson and Overbay are any indication, the Giants would have no chance at Aubrey Huff. Travis Lee is probably the best of the free agent crop left, and while he wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to the Giants depth, he isn't going to do much for an offense. The Nomar idea was a perfect gamble for the Giants to take, but it was certainly a gamble in both production and health. The grapes are probably sour, and he's probably going to Griffeysplode this year. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Didn't want the guy anyway.

Hee Seop Choi isn't going to be a Dodger for much longer, and might even be non-tendered. I'd love to know what Brian Sabean thinks about Choi as a player, but my wild guess is Sabean doesn't think that much of him. Hopefully, the Giants would see there isn't much to lose by getting Choi on the cheap. Even if Choi is more Todd Linden than Jim Thome, the Giants really have little to lose by finding out. It isn't the most exciting of hopes for the offseason, but somehow getting Choi is the only thing even close to an exciting move to hope for.

Choi or bust?

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Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
>Also, if Bonds, Durham, and Alou can stay healthy for the entire season, the magnetic poles will reverse and the moon will cry tears of blood. But anything's possible.

More possible than you think:  
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html

by leftymalo on Dec 19, 2005 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
Aren't Hee Sop Choi and Todd Linden the same player?  Good minor league numbers, but the more the scouts and managers see them, the less they like them.  Was all of that power in Fresno just a mirage?  It will never happen, but barring a trade, maybe giving Linden a legitimate chance to play every day at 1st might be the Giants best hope for above average production from the position.

by BleacherEd on Dec 19, 2005 2:22 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
The difference is that Linden has flopped every time he's been given a shot, while Choi has actually hit fairly well in the majors.

I keep trying to imagine Brian Sabean deciding that the solution to his first base problem is a guy whom sabermetricians love but "baseball people" keep giving up on. Can't quite picture it.

Carlos Pena, maybe?

by Evan on Dec 19, 2005 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
I'm definitely still rooting for Carlos Pena, and I really don't see Sabean ever acquiring Choi. Pena would probably cost a lot in trade, though, and Choi might come very cheap. Maybe the cheapness he is forced with will trump his saberphobia....

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2005 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel slow...
I don't get the title :-(
Whatever happened to that girl I knew, she was just like you- but was way more into me

by kenshin1 on Dec 19, 2005 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Never spend more than four seconds trying to...
...figure out one of my titles. One of my least favorite parts of the gig.

Anyways, this and the Jessica Alba thing are just to amuse myself with search engine traffic. If I can't think of a title, I'm going to do Google-friendly stuff, and watch the freaks roll in. I got the idea when I titled a post "Towel Folding", as that still gives me about three or four hits a day.

A lot of people still come here because of some wretched links to clown pron someone posted in a Gameday thread. This kind of stuff fascinates me.

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2005 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Three way, bondage, beastility
Brilliant!
Whatever happened to that girl I knew, she was just like you- but was way more into me

by kenshin1 on Dec 19, 2005 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Three way, bondage, beastility
Yeah Screwin the pooch  An Alou trademark.
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 19, 2005 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
If it's any consolation, Grant, I dumped a bowl of yogurt in my lap this morning. Clearly, it's just a day for dairy-product-related accidents. Nothing you or I could do about it...

by EliminateMe on Dec 19, 2005 3:33 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
I only metaphorically spilled milk, though. I think it is perfectly okay to cry over spilled yogurt, especially if it was some sort of sweet delicious yogurt.

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2005 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
Yeah, I accidentally cut the cheese here at work today.
www.waitingfortbg.com (under contstruction)

by Goofus on Dec 19, 2005 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
Yeah, I accidentally got chocolate pudding in my pants.

by hammystyle on Dec 19, 2005 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
like when woody harrelson accidently milked an amish farmer's bull...."uhm, i think i'll go brush my teeth."  
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 19, 2005 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
Let's not forget it's also mid-December and the season doesn't start for four and a half months. Plenty of time for trades, scrap heap gems, etc.

My faith in Sabean to make creative trades is at a record low, but I'll hold out a shred of hope that if he doesn't like Hee Seop, Sabes will fill the LH first-base hole in an unexpected fashion. Uh, make that an unexpected and good fashion.  

by leftymalo on Dec 19, 2005 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

Choi
If Choi is cheap enough, I think Sabean might give him a shot. I'd rather have Carlos Pena.

Travis Lee wouldn't be too bad, I guess.

There's gotta be no way Lance Niekro lasts as a starting 1B.

by Dan from NM on Dec 19, 2005 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
I am ,as my name suggests, a bit of a prospect whore, and I really like Lance Niekro. But even I need to put on rose colored night vision goggles to see Lance as a full time 1B. He just isn't durable fenough for that kind of grind. I see Niekro's ultimate destination as kind of a Charlie Hayes style corner/PH bench guy, with 200 above average ABs a season.

by prospecthound on Dec 19, 2005 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
and i see todd "magellan" linden as the giants' version of alex smith, only cheaper
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 19, 2005 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
Ripping on Alex Smith will get you banned.

Not really, but Linden is a bad comparison. More like: Matt Cain with Glenallen Hill fielding every position behind him. Kwame Harris is Glenallen at shortstop, if you want to go that far.

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2005 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
they both pout.  they're both spoiled with overwhelming easy success at lower levels. they hit the big time and neither has moved forward yet. magellan shit the bed when he hit adversity. so has smith. cain pitched upto and in some cases beyond the hype.  until either linden or smith  show they belong in their respective show, they are donald trumps in tight pants.

if and when either of 'em do something, i will clap. until then  pffffffffffffft.

i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 19, 2005 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
There's adversity, and there's adversity. Linden's 24 (25?) and has always had a bit of the jerks. Smith is 21, and has an NCAA D-II team around him. It's hard to tell how anyone would react in such an awful situation, because it's one of the toughest situations in sports to be a rookie quarterback for a team with no o-line or running game.

And I don't see the pouting. Frazzled, sure, but his head comes up after he shakes it.

by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2005 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
montana in 79 had similar, if not identical OL line  problems as smith.  difference  montana had great feet and peripheral vision and demonstrated early on, even when at ND that he had an innate ability to  make chicken soup out of chicken dung.  having said that and in a desire to end this depressing 49er tangent, i will state uncategorically that i wish alex smith all success if for no other reason than i had to suffer the moribito years at kezar watching the likes of george mira and steve spurrier flopping around like one-legged flounders.
i porked my username, but wtfgas anyway?

by E Ticket on Dec 20, 2005 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
Not to turn this into MontanaChronicles, but I believe Joe was 23 yrs old in 1979, and still wasn't very good. I think people overlook the age factor a lot with Smith. A 21 yr old trying to throw to practice squad receivers versus playoff teams is going to end up bad every time.

by mxmob33 on Dec 20, 2005 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
.....and btw - you are comparing him to Joe Freaking Montana! Also known as the greatest QB  who ever lived. ALex Smith isn't Joe, and he isn't being coached by Bill Walsh. Give him a freaking chance!

-sorry I just hate people who already giving up on Alex. Nobody is comparing Linden to Barry Bonds and it would seem silly if they did.

by hammystyle on Dec 20, 2005 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
My pet peeve with Niner fans is they're spoiled by the Montana years.  We Charger fans can appreciate a winning season and playoff appearance as a good thing. Many Niner fans can never understand why their team doesn't go 16-0 and win the Superbowl(Trademark)every season.
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by Goofus on Dec 20, 2005 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
There is vast differences between Montana and Smith.  Smith is in his first year and, if I remember right, he didn't even play at a passing college.  Montana got a year on the bench under his belt to figure things out before getting his chance.  He also didn't get the spotlight that's on Smith now plus was a 3rd round pick.  But he had already done some amazing comebacks previously, passing for a spitload of TDs in a college game, so he had shown his mettle as QB even before getting drafted.

The Niners blew it, they should have stuck with Dorsey to see how he would do as the starter, buying time for Smith to absorb the system more.  If Dorsey shows anything, then we either got trade bait or a great backup, while we give Smith the reins next season, when he's had a season and off-season to digest things.  Maybe start him in the last game to give him a taste or go to him in the second half of the game for the last couple of games.

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Dec 21, 2005 1:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Videos of People Getting Hit in the Face
"and i see todd "magellan" linden as the giants' version of alex smith, only cheaper"

I don't know about that.  Smith has not looked good at all at any point yet.  Linden had a great August in 2005.  Most rookies don't come up and dominate, most struggle to figure things out.  I know people don't like Feliz, but I see Todd following in the same mode, just needing more ABs to get his consistency down.

He should be the 4th OF this season, as I think he's out of options.  Even with his problems, he still walked a lot and when he did hit, he hit for some power, plus hit well against LHP.  His main problem was the K's, he still hit .316 BABIP, so if he could just cut down on the K's, his BA would go up.  

Feliz didn't hit that well his first two seasons then figured things out and starting hitting homers.  He's not anywhere near perfect as a hitter but 20 homer hitters are not that common, particularly at 3B, he would have ranked 13th in the majors among 3Bmen (out of 30 teams).  

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Dec 21, 2005 2:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I mean...
look at the holes in his swing.  Surely he is nothing more than a AAAA slugger at best.
Whatever happened to that girl I knew, she was just like you- but was way more into me

by kenshin1 on Dec 21, 2005 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

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